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Anonymous wrote:Let's not bash the kids. Playing soccer for a low D1 school or D2 program is nothing to scoff at. Just be realistic if your DD is a non-starter. Don't go looking at an ACC, Ivy or SEC school hoping to get a coaches attention.

If that is your goal, you would be better off starting on another team and playing AGAINST those players if you want to impress the top D1 coaches.

Not good enought to start so go to lower team and start. That's how done?

Not necessarily. Perhaps these 20-40 minute a game kids just need a fresh set of eyes and a change of scenery to thrive. But instead of looking for some lateral opportunities where starting could be a real possibility they keep their kids where they are, on the bench out of fear and insecurity. Do you really think just wearing the FCV uniform is going to get you a college offer if your kid is not actually playing a whole lot? Will the offers for the same kid be significantly better because they are sitting in a FCV kit versus starting and playing wearing other colors?

There is no bench player at FCV who will be fielding better offers than a starting player at another DA/ECNL club. But don't listen here, why not ask your kid if she would rather play soccer or watch soccer. She couldn't start at FCV for four years but you think she'll roll into a starting role on a college roster because of the logo on her youth club jersey?

That is flatly wrong. My original comment was player 15 at a top GDA club (FCV is as close to that as exists in our area) was going to get more attention than player 5 on an ECNL team. That is the truth at ages U15 and younger and only a few exceptions at the older ages.

What is flatly wrong? That the offers for a non-starting FCV player are really no better than a starting DA/ECNL player someplace else? Or that kids like watching their team win more than they like to actually play soccer?

I posted the links for FCV already.

Here is ECNL - Loudoun

The data speaks for itself.

http://www.loudounsoccer.com/alumni/



Now McLean is a different story at the older age groups. They are still riding pre-GDA days at the older ages and are successful doing so. BRYC a bit as well but not as much.

And Loudoun is riding pre non-ECNL days.

The reality now is there is no longer the concentration of talent across the region that makes your 14th best, bench riding FCV kid special anymore. In fact, odds are, if there was the concentration that you believe exists your kid 14 isn't even on the team. The concentration going forward is the top five kids across 7 GDA and ECNL clubs. Wearing the big V will no longer be enough. I hear on some planets "V" is the symbol for Hope.

Are you suggesting that there is a DA age group where 7 Loudoun players could make an FCV DA roster? That is laughable on its face.

And not 7 players, there are 7 area clubs with either DA or ECNL.

Player 5 on any Loudoun team is by definition lower than players 1-4. For players 11-15 to not be as strong as player 5 on Loudoun - 7 FCV players must be unseated by those 5 Loudoun players - laughable. Pick any DA/ECNL age group.

By definition, player 11-15 on FCV are not good enough to start on FCV. College coaches are interested in players who are at least better than the rest of their team on a youth soccer club. Sorry, but FCV isn't Man City. Just wearing the V doesn't make the player magic. The fact is, they are career subs at FCV and even worse than that, they accept being a sub. Nothing says a player is driven to be their best when they a happy being a sub when they could be a starter elsewhere in the same or equivalent showcase. I mean that email to the college coach is really gonna pop when you send them your playing schedule and you tell them to show up in the second half to watch you play. Good luck with that.

Are you really this obtuse. Players 11-15 often start as frequently as players 6-10. You can start an be team captain on a great CCL team, but that doesn't mean you will get exposure. You are like a broken record. Look at the data in those links. Those are facts. What you are posting is your opinion.

Here are the starting percentages for FCV's 04's:
100
90.3
29
38.7
16.1
38.7
90.3
87.1
29
38.7
67.7
45.2
80.6
45.2
29
51.6
96.8
74.2
48.4

Assuming those are correct, you still have 15 players at 38.7 or higher and 12 at 48.4 or higher (effectively half the games). Given the success of that particular team and the exposure they are getting in the GDA, you really think player 11 (a starter) on 04 Metro United or Loudoun or BRYC or McLean or VDA is going to get more exposure than those 15? Heck, take player 5 on those teams and it is likely same story.

Umm, as a PP had already demonstrated, if you assume the players with 50%> starts are going D1. The number of players at 50% or greater starting time is curiously 11......Hmmmmm

Please show us the mathematical formula where more than 11 could have 50%+ starting percentage. I will wait.

100
90.3
90.3
87.1
67.7
45.2
80.6
45.2
51.6
96.8
74.2
48.4




Not really a formula, just eliminating those under 50% start time. We'll accept 45%> as 45 is close enough to 50/50.

And to those who question the validity of the numbers:
http://fcva.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7441556

Let me elaborate since you aren't getting it. It is mathematically impossible for more than 11 to have 50% or greater start percentages unless there are injuries and players miss games. Ok? So math says that only 11 players can possibly have 50% or higher start percentages.

Nobody said they were all starters. Just that there are 11-12 kids who are starting about half the time. The rest of the kids are all 30% or less. The numbers are what they are. At FCV there are only 12 players with greater than 45% start times. Make of it what you will. The rest of the kids are sub 30%. Facts.

I guess we have a different definition of facts. Because the numbers that someone posted shows 3 more at 38.7. Ooopsie.

What is the ooooopsie? That out of ten games those players were a sub in just over 6 of them? I mean 45% at least would round up to half, now you are claiming that 38% is 50%?

Lets also remember that DA requires that players start at least 25% of the games. What would those percentages look like without that requirement?


29
38.7
16.1
38.7
29
38.7
29

3 players are hovering above the 25% requirement and 1 player is well below. (We'll assume injury on that 16%). So to the parent who thinks those 7 kids who are hovering above league minimum start requirements are getting more attention from college coaches than the starting 5 players at any other DA/ECNL club have really bought into the message. 4 out of those 7 players wear pinnies on the bench in 7 out of 10 games but are somehow better than starters at other DA/ECNL clubs. LOL

I didn't claim anything of the sort. The poster said "The rest of the kids are all 30% or less" and followed that with "facts". Well, they were not facts. And the reality is (based on actual facts, not made up ones) is that the players that start 4 of 10 games for a top DA team will get more exposure than most players on the local ECNL teams. The data is in the links. So you can GUESS that the data may change over time, but that is a GUESS.

The BDA has shown this to be true over a longer period of time. It is a more reasonable to GUESS that the GDA will end up similar than GUESSING that ECNL overcome these facts. Both are GUESSES.

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Anonymous wrote:People are still arguing this? That’s funny and sad at the same time.

Everyone knows that the benchwarmers have no chance at D1 schools, and they aren’t getting any better riding the pine.

Best to go somewhere and start against the players they can’t unseat, especially at the younger ages when it will help them develop.

The arguer must have been sold a bill of goods by Bobby and company and it’s sad that they have accepted their position of being a subsidy for the starting players who will go on to succeed.

Board gorilla is back.

The facts say otherwise but this gorilla is going to keep grunting about GRRRR ride the pine, sit in the corner, no one getting better, GRRRR, etc...

How about the fact that 6 months of 3 times a week training in ECNL with players that aren't as strong vs. 10 months of training 4 times a week with stronger players? Which players are getting better?

The numbers are there for all to see. Career sub is a career sub. Just what every top D1 program is looking for.

Yes, the numbers are there but you don't want to look at them.

Here is Penn Fusion since TopHat wasn't a comp for some.

https://pennfusion.demosphere-secure.com/college-placement-player-honors/girls-all-time-college-placement

Here is NEFC - only updated to last year (first year of GDA)

https://www.nefc.us/alumni

A sub is a sub. The top 5 starters on any other DA/ECNL club will be recruited early and by better programs than an FCV career sub. Subs are not sought after. In fact, their start times at FCV will only increase depending upon the when the top players get committed.

But, again, I'm sure that a kid who trains four days a week is just thrilled with watching the team play and being a sub. Mentally, they are a sub. Colleges need practice players too though.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's not bash the kids. Playing soccer for a low D1 school or D2 program is nothing to scoff at. Just be realistic if your DD is a non-starter. Don't go looking at an ACC, Ivy or SEC school hoping to get a coaches attention.

If that is your goal, you would be better off starting on another team and playing AGAINST those players if you want to impress the top D1 coaches.

Not good enought to start so go to lower team and start. That's how done?

Not necessarily. Perhaps these 20-40 minute a game kids just need a fresh set of eyes and a change of scenery to thrive. But instead of looking for some lateral opportunities where starting could be a real possibility they keep their kids where they are, on the bench out of fear and insecurity. Do you really think just wearing the FCV uniform is going to get you a college offer if your kid is not actually playing a whole lot? Will the offers for the same kid be significantly better because they are sitting in a FCV kit versus starting and playing wearing other colors?

There is no bench player at FCV who will be fielding better offers than a starting player at another DA/ECNL club. But don't listen here, why not ask your kid if she would rather play soccer or watch soccer. She couldn't start at FCV for four years but you think she'll roll into a starting role on a college roster because of the logo on her youth club jersey?

That is flatly wrong. My original comment was player 15 at a top GDA club (FCV is as close to that as exists in our area) was going to get more attention than player 5 on an ECNL team. That is the truth at ages U15 and younger and only a few exceptions at the older ages.

What is flatly wrong? That the offers for a non-starting FCV player are really no better than a starting DA/ECNL player someplace else? Or that kids like watching their team win more than they like to actually play soccer?

I posted the links for FCV already.

Here is ECNL - Loudoun

The data speaks for itself.

http://www.loudounsoccer.com/alumni/



Now McLean is a different story at the older age groups. They are still riding pre-GDA days at the older ages and are successful doing so. BRYC a bit as well but not as much.

And Loudoun is riding pre non-ECNL days.

The reality now is there is no longer the concentration of talent across the region that makes your 14th best, bench riding FCV kid special anymore. In fact, odds are, if there was the concentration that you believe exists your kid 14 isn't even on the team. The concentration going forward is the top five kids across 7 GDA and ECNL clubs. Wearing the big V will no longer be enough. I hear on some planets "V" is the symbol for Hope.

Are you suggesting that there is a DA age group where 7 Loudoun players could make an FCV DA roster? That is laughable on its face.

And not 7 players, there are 7 area clubs with either DA or ECNL.

Player 5 on any Loudoun team is by definition lower than players 1-4. For players 11-15 to not be as strong as player 5 on Loudoun - 7 FCV players must be unseated by those 5 Loudoun players - laughable. Pick any DA/ECNL age group.

By definition, player 11-15 on FCV are not good enough to start on FCV. College coaches are interested in players who are at least better than the rest of their team on a youth soccer club. Sorry, but FCV isn't Man City. Just wearing the V doesn't make the player magic. The fact is, they are career subs at FCV and even worse than that, they accept being a sub. Nothing says a player is driven to be their best when they a happy being a sub when they could be a starter elsewhere in the same or equivalent showcase. I mean that email to the college coach is really gonna pop when you send them your playing schedule and you tell them to show up in the second half to watch you play. Good luck with that.

Are you really this obtuse. Players 11-15 often start as frequently as players 6-10. You can start an be team captain on a great CCL team, but that doesn't mean you will get exposure. You are like a broken record. Look at the data in those links. Those are facts. What you are posting is your opinion.

Here are the starting percentages for FCV's 04's:
100
90.3
29
38.7
16.1
38.7
90.3
87.1
29
38.7
67.7
45.2
80.6
45.2
29
51.6
96.8
74.2
48.4

Assuming those are correct, you still have 15 players at 38.7 or higher and 12 at 48.4 or higher (effectively half the games). Given the success of that particular team and the exposure they are getting in the GDA, you really think player 11 (a starter) on 04 Metro United or Loudoun or BRYC or McLean or VDA is going to get more exposure than those 15? Heck, take player 5 on those teams and it is likely same story.

Umm, as a PP had already demonstrated, if you assume the players with 50%> starts are going D1. The number of players at 50% or greater starting time is curiously 11......Hmmmmm

Please show us the mathematical formula where more than 11 could have 50%+ starting percentage. I will wait.

100
90.3
90.3
87.1
67.7
45.2
80.6
45.2
51.6
96.8
74.2
48.4




Not really a formula, just eliminating those under 50% start time. We'll accept 45%> as 45 is close enough to 50/50.

And to those who question the validity of the numbers:
http://fcva.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7441556

Let me elaborate since you aren't getting it. It is mathematically impossible for more than 11 to have 50% or greater start percentages unless there are injuries and players miss games. Ok? So math says that only 11 players can possibly have 50% or higher start percentages.

Nobody said they were all starters. Just that there are 11-12 kids who are starting about half the time. The rest of the kids are all 30% or less. The numbers are what they are. At FCV there are only 12 players with greater than 45% start times. Make of it what you will. The rest of the kids are sub 30%. Facts.

I guess we have a different definition of facts. Because the numbers that someone posted shows 3 more at 38.7. Ooopsie.

What is the ooooopsie? That out of ten games those players were a sub in just over 6 of them? I mean 45% at least would round up to half, now you are claiming that 38% is 50%?

Lets also remember that DA requires that players start at least 25% of the games. What would those percentages look like without that requirement?


29
38.7
16.1
38.7
29
38.7
29

3 players are hovering above the 25% requirement and 1 player is well below. (We'll assume injury on that 16%). So to the parent who thinks those 7 kids who are hovering above league minimum start requirements are getting more attention from college coaches than the starting 5 players at any other DA/ECNL club have really bought into the message. 4 out of those 7 players wear pinnies on the bench in 7 out of 10 games but are somehow better than starters at other DA/ECNL clubs. LOL

A few more FACTS for you. I just went to that FCV 04 DA page. If you do the math, those start percentages are wrong. They are percentage of OVERALL games started. So if a player is injured and doesn't play, the start percentage goes down. Flawed data but actually hurts your argument quite a bit.

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Anonymous wrote:People are still arguing this? That’s funny and sad at the same time.

Everyone knows that the benchwarmers have no chance at D1 schools, and they aren’t getting any better riding the pine.

Best to go somewhere and start against the players they can’t unseat, especially at the younger ages when it will help them develop.

The arguer must have been sold a bill of goods by Bobby and company and it’s sad that they have accepted their position of being a subsidy for the starting players who will go on to succeed.

Board gorilla is back.

The facts say otherwise but this gorilla is going to keep grunting about GRRRR ride the pine, sit in the corner, no one getting better, GRRRR, etc...

How about the fact that 6 months of 3 times a week training in ECNL with players that aren't as strong vs. 10 months of training 4 times a week with stronger players? Which players are getting better?

The numbers are there for all to see. Career sub is a career sub. Just what every top D1 program is looking for.

Yes, the numbers are there but you don't want to look at them.

Here is Penn Fusion since TopHat wasn't a comp for some.

https://pennfusion.demosphere-secure.com/college-placement-player-honors/girls-all-time-college-placement

Here is NEFC - only updated to last year (first year of GDA)

https://www.nefc.us/alumni

A sub is a sub. The top 5 starters on any other DA/ECNL club will be recruited early and by better programs than an FCV career sub. Subs are not sought after. In fact, their start times at FCV will only increase depending upon the when the top players get committed.

But, again, I'm sure that a kid who trains four days a week is just thrilled with watching the team play and being a sub. Mentally, they are a sub. Colleges need practice players too though.

Maybe if you keep saying it, it will come true. GRRRR.

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If the player was injured and didn't play simply means that other players start percentages are artificially inflated because it took an injury for them to start a whopping 48% of the time.

So Bobby, which kids were injured?

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Anonymous wrote:If the player was injured and didn't play simply means that other players start percentages are artificially inflated because it took an injury for them to start a whopping 48% of the time.

So Bobby, which kids were injured?

Are you really asking a question like that? You are a moron.

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Anonymous wrote:If the player was injured and didn't play simply means that other players start percentages are artificially inflated because it took an injury for them to start a whopping 48% of the time.

So Bobby, which kids were injured?

You should find out what time your daughter's age group practices at FCV. If she as strong a player as your arrogance suggests, they will find a spot for her. If you can't beat em, join em. Then you can bash whatever club you left to go to FCV.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's not bash the kids. Playing soccer for a low D1 school or D2 program is nothing to scoff at. Just be realistic if your DD is a non-starter. Don't go looking at an ACC, Ivy or SEC school hoping to get a coaches attention.

If that is your goal, you would be better off starting on another team and playing AGAINST those players if you want to impress the top D1 coaches.

Not good enought to start so go to lower team and start. That's how done?

Not necessarily. Perhaps these 20-40 minute a game kids just need a fresh set of eyes and a change of scenery to thrive. But instead of looking for some lateral opportunities where starting could be a real possibility they keep their kids where they are, on the bench out of fear and insecurity. Do you really think just wearing the FCV uniform is going to get you a college offer if your kid is not actually playing a whole lot? Will the offers for the same kid be significantly better because they are sitting in a FCV kit versus starting and playing wearing other colors?

There is no bench player at FCV who will be fielding better offers than a starting player at another DA/ECNL club. But don't listen here, why not ask your kid if she would rather play soccer or watch soccer. She couldn't start at FCV for four years but you think she'll roll into a starting role on a college roster because of the logo on her youth club jersey?

That is flatly wrong. My original comment was player 15 at a top GDA club (FCV is as close to that as exists in our area) was going to get more attention than player 5 on an ECNL team. That is the truth at ages U15 and younger and only a few exceptions at the older ages.

What is flatly wrong? That the offers for a non-starting FCV player are really no better than a starting DA/ECNL player someplace else? Or that kids like watching their team win more than they like to actually play soccer?

I posted the links for FCV already.

Here is ECNL - Loudoun

The data speaks for itself.

http://www.loudounsoccer.com/alumni/



Now McLean is a different story at the older age groups. They are still riding pre-GDA days at the older ages and are successful doing so. BRYC a bit as well but not as much.

And Loudoun is riding pre non-ECNL days.

The reality now is there is no longer the concentration of talent across the region that makes your 14th best, bench riding FCV kid special anymore. In fact, odds are, if there was the concentration that you believe exists your kid 14 isn't even on the team. The concentration going forward is the top five kids across 7 GDA and ECNL clubs. Wearing the big V will no longer be enough. I hear on some planets "V" is the symbol for Hope.

Are you suggesting that there is a DA age group where 7 Loudoun players could make an FCV DA roster? That is laughable on its face.

And not 7 players, there are 7 area clubs with either DA or ECNL.

Player 5 on any Loudoun team is by definition lower than players 1-4. For players 11-15 to not be as strong as player 5 on Loudoun - 7 FCV players must be unseated by those 5 Loudoun players - laughable. Pick any DA/ECNL age group.

By definition, player 11-15 on FCV are not good enough to start on FCV. College coaches are interested in players who are at least better than the rest of their team on a youth soccer club. Sorry, but FCV isn't Man City. Just wearing the V doesn't make the player magic. The fact is, they are career subs at FCV and even worse than that, they accept being a sub. Nothing says a player is driven to be their best when they a happy being a sub when they could be a starter elsewhere in the same or equivalent showcase. I mean that email to the college coach is really gonna pop when you send them your playing schedule and you tell them to show up in the second half to watch you play. Good luck with that.

Are you really this obtuse. Players 11-15 often start as frequently as players 6-10. You can start an be team captain on a great CCL team, but that doesn't mean you will get exposure. You are like a broken record. Look at the data in those links. Those are facts. What you are posting is your opinion.

Here are the starting percentages for FCV's 04's:
100
90.3
29
38.7
16.1
38.7
90.3
87.1
29
38.7
67.7
45.2
80.6
45.2
29
51.6
96.8
74.2
48.4

Assuming those are correct, you still have 15 players at 38.7 or higher and 12 at 48.4 or higher (effectively half the games). Given the success of that particular team and the exposure they are getting in the GDA, you really think player 11 (a starter) on 04 Metro United or Loudoun or BRYC or McLean or VDA is going to get more exposure than those 15? Heck, take player 5 on those teams and it is likely same story.

Umm, as a PP had already demonstrated, if you assume the players with 50%> starts are going D1. The number of players at 50% or greater starting time is curiously 11......Hmmmmm

Please show us the mathematical formula where more than 11 could have 50%+ starting percentage. I will wait.

100
90.3
90.3
87.1
67.7
45.2
80.6
45.2
51.6
96.8
74.2
48.4




Not really a formula, just eliminating those under 50% start time. We'll accept 45%> as 45 is close enough to 50/50.

And to those who question the validity of the numbers:
http://fcva.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7441556

Let me elaborate since you aren't getting it. It is mathematically impossible for more than 11 to have 50% or greater start percentages unless there are injuries and players miss games. Ok? So math says that only 11 players can possibly have 50% or higher start percentages.

Nobody said they were all starters. Just that there are 11-12 kids who are starting about half the time. The rest of the kids are all 30% or less. The numbers are what they are. At FCV there are only 12 players with greater than 45% start times. Make of it what you will. The rest of the kids are sub 30%. Facts.

I guess we have a different definition of facts. Because the numbers that someone posted shows 3 more at 38.7. Ooopsie.

What is the ooooopsie? That out of ten games those players were a sub in just over 6 of them? I mean 45% at least would round up to half, now you are claiming that 38% is 50%?

Lets also remember that DA requires that players start at least 25% of the games. What would those percentages look like without that requirement?


29
38.7
16.1
38.7
29
38.7
29

3 players are hovering above the 25% requirement and 1 player is well below. (We'll assume injury on that 16%). So to the parent who thinks those 7 kids who are hovering above league minimum start requirements are getting more attention from college coaches than the starting 5 players at any other DA/ECNL club have really bought into the message. 4 out of those 7 players wear pinnies on the bench in 7 out of 10 games but are somehow better than starters at other DA/ECNL clubs. LOL

A few more FACTS for you. I just went to that FCV 04 DA page. If you do the math, those start percentages are wrong. They are percentage of OVERALL games started. So if a player is injured and doesn't play, the start percentage goes down. Flawed data but actually hurts your argument quite a bit.

Start percentages are based on the number of games played per player, not the total number of possible games the player could have played in or the team played in. So if a player was injured their start percentage would be based only on the games that they actually played in. So the injury does not in fact affect the start %. If a player played in only 3 games due to injury and she started in just one of them her start percentage would be 33.3%.

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Anonymous wrote:If the player was injured and didn't play simply means that other players start percentages are artificially inflated because it took an injury for them to start a whopping 48% of the time.

So Bobby, which kids were injured?

You should find out what time your daughter's age group practices at FCV. If she as strong a player as your arrogance suggests, they will find a spot for her. If you can't beat em, join em. Then you can bash whatever club you left to go to FCV.

This isn't bashing a club. One could go up and down rosters at every DA and likely see similar start percentages. The argument is that if the kids are good enough to start somewhere else they probably should do so.

Nothing about playing in college is guaranteed anyway so why spend your time at a club being a sub for 4 years? But, no matter the numbers, your kid is a sub, you might be fine with that but she may not enjoy it as much as you think.

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Anonymous wrote:If the player was injured and didn't play simply means that other players start percentages are artificially inflated because it took an injury for them to start a whopping 48% of the time.

So Bobby, which kids were injured?

You should find out what time your daughter's age group practices at FCV. If she as strong a player as your arrogance suggests, they will find a spot for her. If you can't beat em, join em. Then you can bash whatever club you left to go to FCV.

This isn't bashing a club. One could go up and down rosters at every DA and likely see similar start percentages. The argument is that if the kids are good enough to start somewhere else they probably should do so.

Nothing about playing in college is guaranteed anyway so why spend your time at a club being a sub for 4 years? But, no matter the numbers, your kid is a sub, you might be fine with that but she may not enjoy it as much as you think.

So leave FCV and play for MU? Is that what you want? Just say it.

Ps..rosters are done everywhere. Good luck

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Anonymous wrote:If the player was injured and didn't play simply means that other players start percentages are artificially inflated because it took an injury for them to start a whopping 48% of the time.

So Bobby, which kids were injured?

You should find out what time your daughter's age group practices at FCV. If she as strong a player as your arrogance suggests, they will find a spot for her. If you can't beat em, join em. Then you can bash whatever club you left to go to FCV.

This isn't bashing a club. One could go up and down rosters at every DA and likely see similar start percentages. The argument is that if the kids are good enough to start somewhere else they probably should do so.

Nothing about playing in college is guaranteed anyway so why spend your time at a club being a sub for 4 years? But, no matter the numbers, your kid is a sub, you might be fine with that but she may not enjoy it as much as you think.

So leave FCV and play for MU? Is that what you want? Just say it.

Ps..rosters are done everywhere. Good luck

I'm just debating the merits of the argument that kid 12-15 on FCV are in a better recruiting situation than a top 5 starter at any other DA/ECNL club.

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At MU? They are

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Anonymous wrote:If the player was injured and didn't play simply means that other players start percentages are artificially inflated because it took an injury for them to start a whopping 48% of the time.

So Bobby, which kids were injured?

You should find out what time your daughter's age group practices at FCV. If she as strong a player as your arrogance suggests, they will find a spot for her. If you can't beat em, join em. Then you can bash whatever club you left to go to FCV.

This isn't bashing a club. One could go up and down rosters at every DA and likely see similar start percentages. The argument is that if the kids are good enough to start somewhere else they probably should do so.

Nothing about playing in college is guaranteed anyway so why spend your time at a club being a sub for 4 years? But, no matter the numbers, your kid is a sub, you might be fine with that but she may not enjoy it as much as you think.

So leave FCV and play for MU? Is that what you want? Just say it.

Ps..rosters are done everywhere. Good luck

I'm just debating the merits of the argument that kid 12-15 on FCV are in a better recruiting situation than a top 5 starter at any other DA/ECNL club.

You can stay at FCV or stay at any club as a sub. Just know this, that among the remaining 6 ECNL/DA clubs in the area there are up to 66 kids who are playing more soccer than your sub is playing at FCV.

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Anonymous wrote:Let's not bash the kids. Playing soccer for a low D1 school or D2 program is nothing to scoff at. Just be realistic if your DD is a non-starter. Don't go looking at an ACC, Ivy or SEC school hoping to get a coaches attention.

If that is your goal, you would be better off starting on another team and playing AGAINST those players if you want to impress the top D1 coaches.

Not good enought to start so go to lower team and start. That's how done?

Not necessarily. Perhaps these 20-40 minute a game kids just need a fresh set of eyes and a change of scenery to thrive. But instead of looking for some lateral opportunities where starting could be a real possibility they keep their kids where they are, on the bench out of fear and insecurity. Do you really think just wearing the FCV uniform is going to get you a college offer if your kid is not actually playing a whole lot? Will the offers for the same kid be significantly better because they are sitting in a FCV kit versus starting and playing wearing other colors?

There is no bench player at FCV who will be fielding better offers than a starting player at another DA/ECNL club. But don't listen here, why not ask your kid if she would rather play soccer or watch soccer. She couldn't start at FCV for four years but you think she'll roll into a starting role on a college roster because of the logo on her youth club jersey?

That is flatly wrong. My original comment was player 15 at a top GDA club (FCV is as close to that as exists in our area) was going to get more attention than player 5 on an ECNL team. That is the truth at ages U15 and younger and only a few exceptions at the older ages.

What is flatly wrong? That the offers for a non-starting FCV player are really no better than a starting DA/ECNL player someplace else? Or that kids like watching their team win more than they like to actually play soccer?

I posted the links for FCV already.

Here is ECNL - Loudoun

The data speaks for itself.

http://www.loudounsoccer.com/alumni/



Now McLean is a different story at the older age groups. They are still riding pre-GDA days at the older ages and are successful doing so. BRYC a bit as well but not as much.

And Loudoun is riding pre non-ECNL days.

The reality now is there is no longer the concentration of talent across the region that makes your 14th best, bench riding FCV kid special anymore. In fact, odds are, if there was the concentration that you believe exists your kid 14 isn't even on the team. The concentration going forward is the top five kids across 7 GDA and ECNL clubs. Wearing the big V will no longer be enough. I hear on some planets "V" is the symbol for Hope.

Are you suggesting that there is a DA age group where 7 Loudoun players could make an FCV DA roster? That is laughable on its face.

And not 7 players, there are 7 area clubs with either DA or ECNL.

Player 5 on any Loudoun team is by definition lower than players 1-4. For players 11-15 to not be as strong as player 5 on Loudoun - 7 FCV players must be unseated by those 5 Loudoun players - laughable. Pick any DA/ECNL age group.

By definition, player 11-15 on FCV are not good enough to start on FCV. College coaches are interested in players who are at least better than the rest of their team on a youth soccer club. Sorry, but FCV isn't Man City. Just wearing the V doesn't make the player magic. The fact is, they are career subs at FCV and even worse than that, they accept being a sub. Nothing says a player is driven to be their best when they a happy being a sub when they could be a starter elsewhere in the same or equivalent showcase. I mean that email to the college coach is really gonna pop when you send them your playing schedule and you tell them to show up in the second half to watch you play. Good luck with that.

Are you really this obtuse. Players 11-15 often start as frequently as players 6-10. You can start an be team captain on a great CCL team, but that doesn't mean you will get exposure. You are like a broken record. Look at the data in those links. Those are facts. What you are posting is your opinion.

Here are the starting percentages for FCV's 04's:
100
90.3
29
38.7
16.1
38.7
90.3
87.1
29
38.7
67.7
45.2
80.6
45.2
29
51.6
96.8
74.2
48.4

Assuming those are correct, you still have 15 players at 38.7 or higher and 12 at 48.4 or higher (effectively half the games). Given the success of that particular team and the exposure they are getting in the GDA, you really think player 11 (a starter) on 04 Metro United or Loudoun or BRYC or McLean or VDA is going to get more exposure than those 15? Heck, take player 5 on those teams and it is likely same story.

Umm, as a PP had already demonstrated, if you assume the players with 50%> starts are going D1. The number of players at 50% or greater starting time is curiously 11......Hmmmmm

Please show us the mathematical formula where more than 11 could have 50%+ starting percentage. I will wait.

100
90.3
90.3
87.1
67.7
45.2
80.6
45.2
51.6
96.8
74.2
48.4




Not really a formula, just eliminating those under 50% start time. We'll accept 45%> as 45 is close enough to 50/50.

And to those who question the validity of the numbers:
http://fcva.ussoccerda.com/sam/teams/index.php?team=7441556

Let me elaborate since you aren't getting it. It is mathematically impossible for more than 11 to have 50% or greater start percentages unless there are injuries and players miss games. Ok? So math says that only 11 players can possibly have 50% or higher start percentages.

Nobody said they were all starters. Just that there are 11-12 kids who are starting about half the time. The rest of the kids are all 30% or less. The numbers are what they are. At FCV there are only 12 players with greater than 45% start times. Make of it what you will. The rest of the kids are sub 30%. Facts.

I guess we have a different definition of facts. Because the numbers that someone posted shows 3 more at 38.7. Ooopsie.

What is the ooooopsie? That out of ten games those players were a sub in just over 6 of them? I mean 45% at least would round up to half, now you are claiming that 38% is 50%?

Lets also remember that DA requires that players start at least 25% of the games. What would those percentages look like without that requirement?


29
38.7
16.1
38.7
29
38.7
29

3 players are hovering above the 25% requirement and 1 player is well below. (We'll assume injury on that 16%). So to the parent who thinks those 7 kids who are hovering above league minimum start requirements are getting more attention from college coaches than the starting 5 players at any other DA/ECNL club have really bought into the message. 4 out of those 7 players wear pinnies on the bench in 7 out of 10 games but are somehow better than starters at other DA/ECNL clubs. LOL

A few more FACTS for you. I just went to that FCV 04 DA page. If you do the math, those start percentages are wrong. They are percentage of OVERALL games started. So if a player is injured and doesn't play, the start percentage goes down. Flawed data but actually hurts your argument quite a bit.

Start percentages are based on the number of games played per player, not the total number of possible games the player could have played in or the team played in. So if a player was injured their start percentage would be based only on the games that they actually played in. So the injury does not in fact affect the start %. If a player played in only 3 games due to injury and she started in just one of them her start percentage would be 33.3%.

Seriously. Does it not bother you to say things that are so obviously wrong? Get your calculator out and do the math yourself.

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Or seriously, you could actually click on the players individual pages yourself and see.