Leaving DC for a lower COL area

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Anonymous wrote:Problem with lower COL areas is that the job market is not as robust. Yes, "everybody" know someone who moved to Cleveland/Detroit/Milwaukee and found a good position and cheap housing but there is nowhere near the opportunities found in growing areas. Also, lower COL places tend to be insular. You are competing with people who went to local schools, married someone from there, and will never leave there. They pick their own when an opening occurs.

That's ...wrong on just about every level. Dallas and Houston are the same size as DC, with an even better economy, record low unemployment rate and much better COL. I've lived in both and wouldn't describe either as "insular." People are pouring in from other states. And the idea a company like Toyota or AT&T is picking executives based on the neighborhood they grew up in, that's just ludicrous.

SInce when are Dallas and Houston = Cleveland/Detroit/Milwaukee?

Dallas and Houston have incredible economies but are very hot and 100% sprawl. No charm, history, or walkability.

Yeah right. Dallas has Deep Ellum, Bishop Arts, Lower Greenville, Uptown ...areas with as much walkability as anything you'll find in the District. And several have a funkier vibe than the
manufactured cool of many gentrifying DC neighborhoods. And yeah ...it's hot. But you can also sit outside on the patio in February and don't have to dig out from a blizzard every other year.

You've named areas in Dallas that are much like Atlanta's Five Points/Virginia Highlands -- highly industrialized with a glut of retail/restaurants in one place but they aren't walkable communities with mixed-use density that including housing and amenities artfully imposed together. Basically those are the places you take an Uber to to bar hop for happy hour but you don't live on that street or next to that restaurant nor can you walk to those grocery stores (not unless you want to cross a parking lot which can fit a couple 100 cars easily first). In other words, the Whole Foods is in a shopping plaza.

Huge difference. Basically living there is nothing like D.C.

+1000000. PP obviously has never lived in a real city. Five points in Atlanta is a perfect example. You may be able to walk to bars and restaurants from your house. But on a daily basis walk to work, walk your kids to school and run 90% of your errands on foot? No way. Especially given the hot weather. Dallas is a city built around the automobile. Even in the areas in Dallas claiming to be walkable, the parking lots are HUGE which in itself demonstrates it’s not really a walkable area.

Whereas I live in DC and almost always walk to the grocery store, combo walk and bus to work, and only use my car on the weekend for an errand or going somewhere outside of DC. I can’t imagine many families in Dallas are only using their cars on the weekend.

Meh. You still live in DC, which is full of boring people who are bland AF.

As opposed to whom? Do you live in NY or LA, perhaps?

My DC neighbors work in a variety of pretty interesting professions. I assume you’re thinking everyone’s a fed, but on my block, there are people in medicine, finance, research, education, a museum director, etc. Really runs the gamut.

I live in a small city outside of DC and it's the same as in my neighborhood.

Stay in DC if you want to but you're being ridiculous if you think the "quality" of DC people is better than anywhere else. Lots of places have interesting people in them. No, not Supreme Court justices - that is unique to DC - but people who work in all these intellectual and creative fields. Many interesting people have left high cost cities, in fact, because it's too hard to keep yourself going in one of the more interesting professions. One reason my smaller city has such a good restaurant scene is that it's affordable enough that chefs can come experiment here. We have a great arts scene for largely the same reason. We have tons of writers here. (I am one of them.)

You keep think this is true, but it’s not. Most of the talent and intellect in this country is located in big cities. Sad, but true.

All of you are so ignorant

Google where the Fortune 500 companies are I'll wait

Here you go

New York NY 42
Houston TX 24
Dallas TX 12
Atlanta GA 10
Minneapolis MN 10
Chicago IL 9
St. Louis MO 8
San Francisco CA 7
Charlotte NC 6
Cincinnati OH 6
Columbus OH 6
Milwaukee WI 6
Englewood CO 5
Irving TX 5
Los Angeles CA 5
Omaha NE 5
Philadelphia PA 5
Pittsburgh PA 5
Richmond VA 5

All of these places are great places to live and in many you can be just as successful for half the cost or more vs DC

It's disturbing to me that anyone that isn't a liberal progressive is somehow less than for many of you.

That's a common knock on democrats in general. Yall need to work on that.

DC is the only place in the country that is so imbalanced politically yall need to get out of your bubbles

Only someone from a flyover city would actually think being a Fortune 500 company means something. It doesn’t. Working for a Fortune 500 company is the dream for someone in Dallas.

LOL, as opposed to what? The "policy analyst" in DC?

No. Perhaps:

Private equity
Hedge fund
Medical doctor
Think tank
Lobbyist
Research scientist
Entertainment industry
Attorney

I could go on...look, a Fortune 500 company is great if you live in Minneapolis. But it’s not where someone living in dc, ny, la etc aspires to work.

you really are insufferable you realize you can do most of those jobs in almost any place in the US with say at least 100,000 people. And that was my point people think the only good jobs are in the 5 most expensive metro areas. News Flash they aren't

and to the AA woman. You are an ignorant bigot if you want to be surrounded by people that are exactly like you. So much for diversity..... racist

Not the PP, but please stop, you're embarrassing yourself. Surely the burgeoning lobbyist and hedge fund class of Peoria (population 115k!) beg to differ!

A few easy examples:
- With basically one exception (Mayo Clinic), every top hospital in the U.S. is in or adjacent to a major city.
- The vast majority of top research universities are now in major cities (and indeed, they always would have been had it not been for the land grant acts). This is in large part because urban universities have a dramatically easier time attracting top talent.
- Growth industries and the industries that feed into them (e.g. venture capital) are extraordinarily concentrated. See e.g. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-venture-capital-deals/

Ask basically anyone in any of these industries, and they will tell you that not only are these things true, but they are getting more true over time. Are there lots of ways to make a living and live a middle class lifestyle in smaller cities in the U.S.? Sure. But it's no secret that the top of the food chain is exceedingly concentrated, and only getting more so over time.

The OP was asking about Rochester, NY. They have Strong Memorial Hospital, the University of Rochester, and Rochester Institute of Technology.

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting hearing someone with a HHI of $300k worry that they won't have the opportunity to advance in their career, if they leave DC.

It makes me wonder if some of this debate really comes to - are you a type A person who wants to achieve and earn and keep pushing, or are you a type B who wants a more laid back lifestyle. Type A, sure - staying in DC could seem very important. Type B - leaving and having more free time and a nice house but less chance of hitting it HUGE one day seems plenty good.

eh I don't know if this is true. My husband is a type A (I am definitely type B) but he took an executive job for a company in Rochester. We have a great QoL here. It definitely would not be an exciting place to live for single people in their 20s but for late 30s/40s raising kids, it's pretty great. We bought our house in cash, no mortgage, "rush hour" traffic is a joke, and we travel all the time. We'll definitely be able to pay for our kids' entire educations, no problem. Late spring, summer, and falls are beautiful. We go hiking all the time in the various NY state parks.

Winter is cold and snowy but we've gotten used to it and I honestly really like the snow now. It helps that we've taken up skiing.

I'm the person you're responding to - and that sounds awesome. I am a type B, too, who very happily left DC for a cheaper, slower, more laid back pace of life. My husband is like type b+/a- - he kept his DC job and does it mostly remotely, going back and forth about once a month. He's very happy with our new city, too. (We are in the opposite place of Rochester - hot weather, swimming instead of skiing.)

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A few easy examples:
- With basically one exception (Mayo Clinic), every top hospital in the U.S. is in or adjacent to a major city.
- The vast majority of top research universities are now in major cities (and indeed, they always would have been had it not been for the land grant acts). This is in large part because urban universities have a dramatically easier time attracting top talent.
- Growth industries and the industries that feed into them (e.g. venture capital) are extraordinarily concentrated. See e.g. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-venture-capital-deals/

Ask basically anyone in any of these industries, and they will tell you that not only are these things true, but they are getting more true over time. Are there lots of ways to make a living and live a middle class lifestyle in smaller cities in the U.S.? Sure. But it's no secret that the top of the food chain is exceedingly concentrated, and only getting more so over time.

I’m sorry, did you mean Cleveland Clinic

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Anonymous wrote:Problem with lower COL areas is that the job market is not as robust. Yes, "everybody" know someone who moved to Cleveland/Detroit/Milwaukee and found a good position and cheap housing but there is nowhere near the opportunities found in growing areas. Also, lower COL places tend to be insular. You are competing with people who went to local schools, married someone from there, and will never leave there. They pick their own when an opening occurs.

That's ...wrong on just about every level. Dallas and Houston are the same size as DC, with an even better economy, record low unemployment rate and much better COL. I've lived in both and wouldn't describe either as "insular." People are pouring in from other states. And the idea a company like Toyota or AT&T is picking executives based on the neighborhood they grew up in, that's just ludicrous.

SInce when are Dallas and Houston = Cleveland/Detroit/Milwaukee?

Dallas and Houston have incredible economies but are very hot and 100% sprawl. No charm, history, or walkability.

Yeah right. Dallas has Deep Ellum, Bishop Arts, Lower Greenville, Uptown ...areas with as much walkability as anything you'll find in the District. And several have a funkier vibe than the
manufactured cool of many gentrifying DC neighborhoods. And yeah ...it's hot. But you can also sit outside on the patio in February and don't have to dig out from a blizzard every other year.

You've named areas in Dallas that are much like Atlanta's Five Points/Virginia Highlands -- highly industrialized with a glut of retail/restaurants in one place but they aren't walkable communities with mixed-use density that including housing and amenities artfully imposed together. Basically those are the places you take an Uber to to bar hop for happy hour but you don't live on that street or next to that restaurant nor can you walk to those grocery stores (not unless you want to cross a parking lot which can fit a couple 100 cars easily first). In other words, the Whole Foods is in a shopping plaza.

Huge difference. Basically living there is nothing like D.C.

+1000000. PP obviously has never lived in a real city. Five points in Atlanta is a perfect example. You may be able to walk to bars and restaurants from your house. But on a daily basis walk to work, walk your kids to school and run 90% of your errands on foot? No way. Especially given the hot weather. Dallas is a city built around the automobile. Even in the areas in Dallas claiming to be walkable, the parking lots are HUGE which in itself demonstrates it’s not really a walkable area.

Whereas I live in DC and almost always walk to the grocery store, combo walk and bus to work, and only use my car on the weekend for an errand or going somewhere outside of DC. I can’t imagine many families in Dallas are only using their cars on the weekend.

Meh. You still live in DC, which is full of boring people who are bland AF.

As opposed to whom? Do you live in NY or LA, perhaps?

My DC neighbors work in a variety of pretty interesting professions. I assume you’re thinking everyone’s a fed, but on my block, there are people in medicine, finance, research, education, a museum director, etc. Really runs the gamut.

I live in a small city outside of DC and it's the same as in my neighborhood.

Stay in DC if you want to but you're being ridiculous if you think the "quality" of DC people is better than anywhere else. Lots of places have interesting people in them. No, not Supreme Court justices - that is unique to DC - but people who work in all these intellectual and creative fields. Many interesting people have left high cost cities, in fact, because it's too hard to keep yourself going in one of the more interesting professions. One reason my smaller city has such a good restaurant scene is that it's affordable enough that chefs can come experiment here. We have a great arts scene for largely the same reason. We have tons of writers here. (I am one of them.)

You keep think this is true, but it’s not. Most of the talent and intellect in this country is located in big cities. Sad, but true.

All of you are so ignorant

Google where the Fortune 500 companies are I'll wait

Here you go

New York NY 42
Houston TX 24
Dallas TX 12
Atlanta GA 10
Minneapolis MN 10
Chicago IL 9
St. Louis MO 8
San Francisco CA 7
Charlotte NC 6
Cincinnati OH 6
Columbus OH 6
Milwaukee WI 6
Englewood CO 5
Irving TX 5
Los Angeles CA 5
Omaha NE 5
Philadelphia PA 5
Pittsburgh PA 5
Richmond VA 5

All of these places are great places to live and in many you can be just as successful for half the cost or more vs DC

It's disturbing to me that anyone that isn't a liberal progressive is somehow less than for many of you.

That's a common knock on democrats in general. Yall need to work on that.

DC is the only place in the country that is so imbalanced politically yall need to get out of your bubbles

Only someone from a flyover city would actually think being a Fortune 500 company means something. It doesn’t. Working for a Fortune 500 company is the dream for someone in Dallas.

LOL, as opposed to what? The "policy analyst" in DC?

No. Perhaps:

Private equity
Hedge fund
Medical doctor
Think tank
Lobbyist
Research scientist
Entertainment industry
Attorney

I could go on...look, a Fortune 500 company is great if you live in Minneapolis. But it’s not where someone living in dc, ny, la etc aspires to work.

you really are insufferable you realize you can do most of those jobs in almost any place in the US with say at least 100,000 people. And that was my point people think the only good jobs are in the 5 most expensive metro areas. News Flash they aren't

and to the AA woman. You are an ignorant bigot if you want to be surrounded by people that are exactly like you. So much for diversity..... racist

As an AA, it is in no way racist to want to be around people who think like I do. For you to bring racism into this tells me something about you. AAs have learned to protect ourselves and it is how we have existed in this country. Protecting ourselves. Housing policy was made in this country to discriminate against us. Don't blame us for the results of it!

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Anonymous wrote:It's interesting hearing someone with a HHI of $300k worry that they won't have the opportunity to advance in their career, if they leave DC.

It makes me wonder if some of this debate really comes to - are you a type A person who wants to achieve and earn and keep pushing, or are you a type B who wants a more laid back lifestyle. Type A, sure - staying in DC could seem very important. Type B - leaving and having more free time and a nice house but less chance of hitting it HUGE one day seems plenty good.

eh I don't know if this is true. My husband is a type A (I am definitely type B) but he took an executive job for a company in Rochester. We have a great QoL here. It definitely would not be an exciting place to live for single people in their 20s but for late 30s/40s raising kids, it's pretty great. We bought our house in cash, no mortgage, "rush hour" traffic is a joke, and we travel all the time. We'll definitely be able to pay for our kids' entire educations, no problem. Late spring, summer, and falls are beautiful. We go hiking all the time in the various NY state parks.

Winter is cold and snowy but we've gotten used to it and I honestly really like the snow now. It helps that we've taken up skiing.

The bolded doesn't sound too bad. However, I commented upthread that my spouse was in Rochester for four years, and while picking up a winter sport helped, wasn't able to get used to the cold temps. Spouse really likes sun and hot weather or else gets the winter doldrums. And so I think we're destined to stay in milder area of the country. Given our earning potential here relative to other areas, proximity to family a few hours north and south, and our friendly, diverse DC neighborhood, we're staying here for now.

But of all the places people have described, even if not the best fit for our particular case, Rochester sounds like pretty decent QOL.

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Anonymous wrote:Problem with lower COL areas is that the job market is not as robust. Yes, "everybody" know someone who moved to Cleveland/Detroit/Milwaukee and found a good position and cheap housing but there is nowhere near the opportunities found in growing areas. Also, lower COL places tend to be insular. You are competing with people who went to local schools, married someone from there, and will never leave there. They pick their own when an opening occurs.

That's ...wrong on just about every level. Dallas and Houston are the same size as DC, with an even better economy, record low unemployment rate and much better COL. I've lived in both and wouldn't describe either as "insular." People are pouring in from other states. And the idea a company like Toyota or AT&T is picking executives based on the neighborhood they grew up in, that's just ludicrous.

SInce when are Dallas and Houston = Cleveland/Detroit/Milwaukee?

Dallas and Houston have incredible economies but are very hot and 100% sprawl. No charm, history, or walkability.

Yeah right. Dallas has Deep Ellum, Bishop Arts, Lower Greenville, Uptown ...areas with as much walkability as anything you'll find in the District. And several have a funkier vibe than the
manufactured cool of many gentrifying DC neighborhoods. And yeah ...it's hot. But you can also sit outside on the patio in February and don't have to dig out from a blizzard every other year.

You've named areas in Dallas that are much like Atlanta's Five Points/Virginia Highlands -- highly industrialized with a glut of retail/restaurants in one place but they aren't walkable communities with mixed-use density that including housing and amenities artfully imposed together. Basically those are the places you take an Uber to to bar hop for happy hour but you don't live on that street or next to that restaurant nor can you walk to those grocery stores (not unless you want to cross a parking lot which can fit a couple 100 cars easily first). In other words, the Whole Foods is in a shopping plaza.

Huge difference. Basically living there is nothing like D.C.

+1000000. PP obviously has never lived in a real city. Five points in Atlanta is a perfect example. You may be able to walk to bars and restaurants from your house. But on a daily basis walk to work, walk your kids to school and run 90% of your errands on foot? No way. Especially given the hot weather. Dallas is a city built around the automobile. Even in the areas in Dallas claiming to be walkable, the parking lots are HUGE which in itself demonstrates it’s not really a walkable area.

Whereas I live in DC and almost always walk to the grocery store, combo walk and bus to work, and only use my car on the weekend for an errand or going somewhere outside of DC. I can’t imagine many families in Dallas are only using their cars on the weekend.

Meh. You still live in DC, which is full of boring people who are bland AF.

As opposed to whom? Do you live in NY or LA, perhaps?

My DC neighbors work in a variety of pretty interesting professions. I assume you’re thinking everyone’s a fed, but on my block, there are people in medicine, finance, research, education, a museum director, etc. Really runs the gamut.

I live in a small city outside of DC and it's the same as in my neighborhood.

Stay in DC if you want to but you're being ridiculous if you think the "quality" of DC people is better than anywhere else. Lots of places have interesting people in them. No, not Supreme Court justices - that is unique to DC - but people who work in all these intellectual and creative fields. Many interesting people have left high cost cities, in fact, because it's too hard to keep yourself going in one of the more interesting professions. One reason my smaller city has such a good restaurant scene is that it's affordable enough that chefs can come experiment here. We have a great arts scene for largely the same reason. We have tons of writers here. (I am one of them.)

You keep think this is true, but it’s not. Most of the talent and intellect in this country is located in big cities. Sad, but true.

All of you are so ignorant

Google where the Fortune 500 companies are I'll wait

Here you go

New York NY 42
Houston TX 24
Dallas TX 12
Atlanta GA 10
Minneapolis MN 10
Chicago IL 9
St. Louis MO 8
San Francisco CA 7
Charlotte NC 6
Cincinnati OH 6
Columbus OH 6
Milwaukee WI 6
Englewood CO 5
Irving TX 5
Los Angeles CA 5
Omaha NE 5
Philadelphia PA 5
Pittsburgh PA 5
Richmond VA 5

All of these places are great places to live and in many you can be just as successful for half the cost or more vs DC

It's disturbing to me that anyone that isn't a liberal progressive is somehow less than for many of you.

That's a common knock on democrats in general. Yall need to work on that.

DC is the only place in the country that is so imbalanced politically yall need to get out of your bubbles

Only someone from a flyover city would actually think being a Fortune 500 company means something. It doesn’t. Working for a Fortune 500 company is the dream for someone in Dallas.

LOL, as opposed to what? The "policy analyst" in DC?

No. Perhaps:

Private equity
Hedge fund
Medical doctor
Think tank
Lobbyist
Research scientist
Entertainment industry
Attorney

I could go on...look, a Fortune 500 company is great if you live in Minneapolis. But it’s not where someone living in dc, ny, la etc aspires to work.

you really are insufferable you realize you can do most of those jobs in almost any place in the US with say at least 100,000 people. And that was my point people think the only good jobs are in the 5 most expensive metro areas. News Flash they aren't

and to the AA woman. You are an ignorant bigot if you want to be surrounded by people that are exactly like you. So much for diversity..... racist

As an AA, it is in no way racist to want to be around people who think like I do. For you to bring racism into this tells me something about you. AAs have learned to protect ourselves and it is how we have existed in this country. Protecting ourselves. Housing policy was made in this country to discriminate against us. Don't blame us for the results of it!

Folks this is why race will never be resolved in this country

Imagine if a white person said this f^&^* bs

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Anonymous wrote:Problem with lower COL areas is that the job market is not as robust. Yes, "everybody" know someone who moved to Cleveland/Detroit/Milwaukee and found a good position and cheap housing but there is nowhere near the opportunities found in growing areas. Also, lower COL places tend to be insular. You are competing with people who went to local schools, married someone from there, and will never leave there. They pick their own when an opening occurs.

That's ...wrong on just about every level. Dallas and Houston are the same size as DC, with an even better economy, record low unemployment rate and much better COL. I've lived in both and wouldn't describe either as "insular." People are pouring in from other states. And the idea a company like Toyota or AT&T is picking executives based on the neighborhood they grew up in, that's just ludicrous.

SInce when are Dallas and Houston = Cleveland/Detroit/Milwaukee?

Dallas and Houston have incredible economies but are very hot and 100% sprawl. No charm, history, or walkability.

Yeah right. Dallas has Deep Ellum, Bishop Arts, Lower Greenville, Uptown ...areas with as much walkability as anything you'll find in the District. And several have a funkier vibe than the
manufactured cool of many gentrifying DC neighborhoods. And yeah ...it's hot. But you can also sit outside on the patio in February and don't have to dig out from a blizzard every other year.

You've named areas in Dallas that are much like Atlanta's Five Points/Virginia Highlands -- highly industrialized with a glut of retail/restaurants in one place but they aren't walkable communities with mixed-use density that including housing and amenities artfully imposed together. Basically those are the places you take an Uber to to bar hop for happy hour but you don't live on that street or next to that restaurant nor can you walk to those grocery stores (not unless you want to cross a parking lot which can fit a couple 100 cars easily first). In other words, the Whole Foods is in a shopping plaza.

Huge difference. Basically living there is nothing like D.C.

+1000000. PP obviously has never lived in a real city. Five points in Atlanta is a perfect example. You may be able to walk to bars and restaurants from your house. But on a daily basis walk to work, walk your kids to school and run 90% of your errands on foot? No way. Especially given the hot weather. Dallas is a city built around the automobile. Even in the areas in Dallas claiming to be walkable, the parking lots are HUGE which in itself demonstrates it’s not really a walkable area.

Whereas I live in DC and almost always walk to the grocery store, combo walk and bus to work, and only use my car on the weekend for an errand or going somewhere outside of DC. I can’t imagine many families in Dallas are only using their cars on the weekend.

Meh. You still live in DC, which is full of boring people who are bland AF.

As opposed to whom? Do you live in NY or LA, perhaps?

My DC neighbors work in a variety of pretty interesting professions. I assume you’re thinking everyone’s a fed, but on my block, there are people in medicine, finance, research, education, a museum director, etc. Really runs the gamut.

I live in a small city outside of DC and it's the same as in my neighborhood.

Stay in DC if you want to but you're being ridiculous if you think the "quality" of DC people is better than anywhere else. Lots of places have interesting people in them. No, not Supreme Court justices - that is unique to DC - but people who work in all these intellectual and creative fields. Many interesting people have left high cost cities, in fact, because it's too hard to keep yourself going in one of the more interesting professions. One reason my smaller city has such a good restaurant scene is that it's affordable enough that chefs can come experiment here. We have a great arts scene for largely the same reason. We have tons of writers here. (I am one of them.)

You keep think this is true, but it’s not. Most of the talent and intellect in this country is located in big cities. Sad, but true.

All of you are so ignorant

Google where the Fortune 500 companies are I'll wait

Here you go

New York NY 42
Houston TX 24
Dallas TX 12
Atlanta GA 10
Minneapolis MN 10
Chicago IL 9
St. Louis MO 8
San Francisco CA 7
Charlotte NC 6
Cincinnati OH 6
Columbus OH 6
Milwaukee WI 6
Englewood CO 5
Irving TX 5
Los Angeles CA 5
Omaha NE 5
Philadelphia PA 5
Pittsburgh PA 5
Richmond VA 5

All of these places are great places to live and in many you can be just as successful for half the cost or more vs DC

It's disturbing to me that anyone that isn't a liberal progressive is somehow less than for many of you.

That's a common knock on democrats in general. Yall need to work on that.

DC is the only place in the country that is so imbalanced politically yall need to get out of your bubbles

Only someone from a flyover city would actually think being a Fortune 500 company means something. It doesn’t. Working for a Fortune 500 company is the dream for someone in Dallas.

LOL, as opposed to what? The "policy analyst" in DC?

No. Perhaps:

Private equity
Hedge fund
Medical doctor
Think tank
Lobbyist
Research scientist
Entertainment industry
Attorney

I could go on...look, a Fortune 500 company is great if you live in Minneapolis. But it’s not where someone living in dc, ny, la etc aspires to work.

You think there are no attorneys in Minneapolis? No medical doctors? Research scientists? Investment bankers? Oh my god. I mean- how is it possible to be this dumb?

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Fwiw, the PP's response to the AA woman is an example of why a lot of us prefer DC and other large cities.

As another AA poster, my husband and I prefer larger cities with more tolerant, diverse populaces in which to raise our family. Nowhere's perfect, but diverse cities and their immediate suburbs are a lot better than the alternative in this regard.

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A few easy examples:
- With basically one exception (Mayo Clinic), every top hospital in the U.S. is in or adjacent to a major city.
- The vast majority of top research universities are now in major cities (and indeed, they always would have been had it not been for the land grant acts). This is in large part because urban universities have a dramatically easier time attracting top talent.
- Growth industries and the industries that feed into them (e.g. venture capital) are extraordinarily concentrated. See e.g. https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/2018-venture-capital-deals/

Ask basically anyone in any of these industries, and they will tell you that not only are these things true, but they are getting more true over time. Are there lots of ways to make a living and live a middle class lifestyle in smaller cities in the U.S.? Sure. But it's no secret that the top of the food chain is exceedingly concentrated, and only getting more so over time.

I’m sorry, did you mean Cleveland Clinic

Metro Cleveland has over 2 million people, and 3.5 million if you use the Combined Statistical Area definition. Also, Cleveland used to be one of the richest cities in the U.S., which is why some of its long-established institutions have been able to hang on. No knocks on Cleveland from me, but that's hardly typical of most smaller cities in the US.

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Anonymous wrote:Has anyone gone from DC to Madison, WI, KC or Louisville?

Madison would be a HUGE win.

Negatives are weather and insularity. Lots of people have longstanding friend networks in place.

That said, the university and a few of the big employers bring enough transplants to make it viable.

I'd do it in a heartbeat if circumstances allowed.

Could you comment on neighborhoods and schools for a young family?

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Anonymous wrote:Fwiw, the PP's response to the AA woman is an example of why a lot of us prefer DC and other large cities.

As another AA poster, my husband and I prefer larger cities with more tolerant, diverse populaces in which to raise our family. Nowhere's perfect, but diverse cities and their immediate suburbs are a lot better than the alternative in this regard.

yall really are insane I like tolerant and diverse populations too

The prior AA poster said she wanted to only be around people who think and look like her

News flash that's not fu%^& diversity. That's bigoted and closedmindness

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Anonymous wrote:Norfolk, VA. Great houses, lots of restaurants and things to do, we can walk to the beach. I never stop being amazed that when I go downtown I can find a parking spot in front of the restaurant/museum. There are some "red staters" and it was a bit of a culture shock but overall we're happy here and plan to stay.

And flooding. We were so happy to leave.

[Anonymous]

Folks this is why race will never be resolved in this country

Imagine if a white person said this f^&^* bs

I am not sure that "race" is a problem to be resolved. Racism is the problem. Not race. The poster did not say people who looked like them but "thought" like them. Race was added by someone with an agenda.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Fwiw, the PP's response to the AA woman is an example of why a lot of us prefer DC and other large cities.

As another AA poster, my husband and I prefer larger cities with more tolerant, diverse populaces in which to raise our family. Nowhere's perfect, but diverse cities and their immediate suburbs are a lot better than the alternative in this regard.

yall really are insane I like tolerant and diverse populations too

The prior AA poster said she wanted to only be around people who think and look like her

News flash that's not fu%^& diversity. That's bigoted and closedmindness

The poster did not say look. You did! I guess that you can not read. The poster said do not blame AAs for housing discrimination.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What is up with AA?

Black is African American

White is Caucasian

Brown is Indian

Yellow is Asian