How will Wootton or RM be affected by new high school in Crown Farm?

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly when house hunting two years ago, Churchill and Whitman were only two HS that drove RE prices.

Wooton and Walter were next best but you got a discount and the rest were in value areas.

This wont matter, dont worry

Eventually, parents will realize averages raised by the exclusion of low-income students does not equate to a quality education.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly when house hunting two years ago, Churchill and Whitman were only two HS that drove RE prices.

Wooton and Walter were next best but you got a discount and the rest were in value areas.

This wont matter, dont worry

Eventually, parents will realize averages raised by the exclusion of low-income students does not equate to a quality education.

Oh get over. No one is excluding low income kids. They purposely buy homes in non poor areas. Who says they want to spend 600K to live in Twinbrook, which is like El Salvador right now. 5 cars outside each house too

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King Farm of CG will get moved to GHS, so the entire neighborhood and HOA will be at one cluster. I think the actual school will stay at RM. I believe the Rio area and all of Dufief will move to Crown. I think Twinbrook will get moved to Frost and Wootton. It is just as close to RM with less traffic on the pike. The buses only need to go down Wootton Parkway.

This is factually incorrect.

Twinbrook ES to Julius West MS - 3.1 miles
Twinbrook ES to RM HS - 2.0 miles
Twinbrook ES to Frost MS - 4.5 miles
Twinbrook ES to Wootton HS - 4.3 miles

Most of Twinbrook is in the walk zone distance to RM.

Also, I haven't noticed that MCPS or the Board of Education are interested in HOA boundaries as they relate to school boundaries, but maybe the King Farm Citizens Assembly will advocate for moving all of King Farm to the Gaithersburg cluster.

No one in Twinbrook is walking to RM.

I too think Wootton is a strong possibility, but it butts to Walter Johnson and has a strong possibility of going there. I think Travilah will be moved to Northwest (I mean it is 10x closer to Northwest) and a section of Northwest will be going to Seneca or Gaithersburg. I do think Ritchie Park will be moved to Wootton though. Most of their neighborhoods (Fallsgrove/Horizon Hill) are much closer to Wootton. I think RM will expand their IB program to appease all of this movement all over the county. I think they will either get all of King Farm or GHS will get all of King Farm. If GHS gets all of King Farm or two schools leave, expect RM to pick up Maryvale or more of Derwood. I think Garrett Park will go to Wheaton and Kensington Parkwood to Einstein and Brookhaven to Rockville.

Still not sure how they will fix Whitman. They are surrounded by white rich neighborhoods. At least Churchill has Tobytown and Scotland.

RP won't be moved to Wootton even though, yes, it's closer. Remember, RP used to be zoned to Wootton about 30 years ago, and they moved it to RM for the income diversity. They are not going to pull it out of a HS cluster that may end up with a higher FARMs rate once King Farm and Fallsgrove are zoned for Crown. They would want to move a lower income area out of RM and into Wootton.

Fallsgrove won’t go to Crown. It is 2/3 of Ritchie Park students. The northwest side of Wootton will be shifted as the bus drive is too far anyway. Travilah to QO cluster. Dufief to Crown. That leaves Ritchie Park and Twinbrook going to Wootton. Remember, the plan is to even neighborhoods and FARMS. RM is overcrowded so having CG, Beall, Rustin, and then Maryvale keeps RM less in numbers, same FARMS and increases FARMS at Wootton. It decreases FARMS at QO. All of this minus 1.5 extra miles to Wootton, makes every other schools change closer. I do think King Farm will go to Gaithersburg, not Crown or RM.

i hope youre right. my plan in the near future is to buy a house that is currently zoned for RP and RM (horizon hills, potomac woods) and hope that it gets rezoned to Wootton for a huge boost in value.

The value won’t be so high if Twinbrook is there.

Twinbrook is a tiny school. It will not overwhelm Wootton.

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Twinbrook is 600 students with like 74%FARMS rate. Of course it will change the dynamic of Wootton.

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Fallsgrove won’t go to Crown. It is 2/3 of Ritchie Park students. The northwest side of Wootton will be shifted as the bus drive is too far anyway. Travilah to QO cluster. Dufief to Crown. That leaves Ritchie Park and Twinbrook going to Wootton. Remember, the plan is to even neighborhoods and FARMS. RM is overcrowded so having CG, Beall, Rustin, and then Maryvale keeps RM less in numbers, same FARMS and increases FARMS at Wootton. It decreases FARMS at QO. All of this minus 1.5 extra miles to Wootton, makes every other schools change closer. I do think King Farm will go to Gaithersburg, not Crown or RM.

I don't think that will make RM have the same FARMs rate as it is now. RP, including FG, has the lowest FARMs rate, and Maryvale FARMs is also fairly high.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly when house hunting two years ago, Churchill and Whitman were only two HS that drove RE prices.

Wooton and Walter were next best but you got a discount and the rest were in value areas.

This wont matter, dont worry

Eventually, parents will realize averages raised by the exclusion of low-income students does not equate to a quality education.

Oh get over. No one is excluding low income kids. They purposely buy homes in non poor areas. Who says they want to spend 600K to live in Twinbrook, which is like El Salvador right now. 5 cars outside each house too

"Non poor areas" are non poor areas because they exclude low-income people.

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Fallsgrove won’t go to Crown. It is 2/3 of Ritchie Park students. The northwest side of Wootton will be shifted as the bus drive is too far anyway. Travilah to QO cluster. Dufief to Crown. That leaves Ritchie Park and Twinbrook going to Wootton. Remember, the plan is to even neighborhoods and FARMS. RM is overcrowded so having CG, Beall, Rustin, and then Maryvale keeps RM less in numbers, same FARMS and increases FARMS at Wootton. It decreases FARMS at QO. All of this minus 1.5 extra miles to Wootton, makes every other schools change closer. I do think King Farm will go to Gaithersburg, not Crown or RM.

I don't think that will make RM have the same FARMs rate as it is now. RP, including FG, has the lowest FARMs rate, and Maryvale FARMs is also fairly high.

FG does not have the lowest. They actually have HUD housing, at least 10% I think as does Park Potomac. The areas that are low in FARMS are the older single family home developments.

Maryvale has over 30% less FARMS than Twinbrook. It would be an even trade and less kids since RM desperately needs either a new addition or 1 less school in their cluster. And like another poster pointed out, they would have options to increase the IB program if needed. Right now, they have portables stacking up in the parking lot. It is terrible. The other option is to move the IB program to Crown which I can totally see happening. Then RM's FARMS rate would get pretty high.

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The county website just indicated that some portion of QO and RM will go to the new school.

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Fallsgrove won’t go to Crown. It is 2/3 of Ritchie Park students. The northwest side of Wootton will be shifted as the bus drive is too far anyway. Travilah to QO cluster. Dufief to Crown. That leaves Ritchie Park and Twinbrook going to Wootton. Remember, the plan is to even neighborhoods and FARMS. RM is overcrowded so having CG, Beall, Rustin, and then Maryvale keeps RM less in numbers, same FARMS and increases FARMS at Wootton. It decreases FARMS at QO. All of this minus 1.5 extra miles to Wootton, makes every other schools change closer. I do think King Farm will go to Gaithersburg, not Crown or RM.

I don't think that will make RM have the same FARMs rate as it is now. RP, including FG, has the lowest FARMs rate, and Maryvale FARMs is also fairly high.

FG does not have the lowest. They actually have HUD housing, at least 10% I think as does Park Potomac. The areas that are low in FARMS are the older single family home developments.

Maryvale has over 30% less FARMS than Twinbrook. It would be an even trade and less kids since RM desperately needs either a new addition or 1 less school in their cluster. And like another poster pointed out, they would have options to increase the IB program if needed. Right now, they have portables stacking up in the parking lot. It is terrible. The other option is to move the IB program to Crown which I can totally see happening. Then RM's FARMS rate would get pretty high.

RP, includes FG.. I'm pointing out that RP won't be moved out of RM to Wootton because RP has the lowest FARMs rate of all the ESs in the RM cluster. Maryvale is zoned for Rockville HS, and that HS is already under capacity. I suppose they could rezone other areas to Rockville, HS, but I can't see MCPS moving Maryvale out of an under utilized cluster like Rockville HS into another cluster where the switch would make the other school (RM) at or still above capacity.

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Fallsgrove won’t go to Crown. It is 2/3 of Ritchie Park students. The northwest side of Wootton will be shifted as the bus drive is too far anyway. Travilah to QO cluster. Dufief to Crown. That leaves Ritchie Park and Twinbrook going to Wootton. Remember, the plan is to even neighborhoods and FARMS. RM is overcrowded so having CG, Beall, Rustin, and then Maryvale keeps RM less in numbers, same FARMS and increases FARMS at Wootton. It decreases FARMS at QO. All of this minus 1.5 extra miles to Wootton, makes every other schools change closer. I do think King Farm will go to Gaithersburg, not Crown or RM.

I don't think that will make RM have the same FARMs rate as it is now. RP, including FG, has the lowest FARMs rate, and Maryvale FARMs is also fairly high.

FG does not have the lowest. They actually have HUD housing, at least 10% I think as does Park Potomac. The areas that are low in FARMS are the older single family home developments.

Maryvale has over 30% less FARMS than Twinbrook. It would be an even trade and less kids since RM desperately needs either a new addition or 1 less school in their cluster. And like another poster pointed out, they would have options to increase the IB program if needed. Right now, they have portables stacking up in the parking lot. It is terrible. The other option is to move the IB program to Crown which I can totally see happening. Then RM's FARMS rate would get pretty high.

RP, includes FG.. I'm pointing out that RP won't be moved out of RM to Wootton because RP has the lowest FARMs rate of all the ESs in the RM cluster. Maryvale is zoned for Rockville HS, and that HS is already under capacity. I suppose they could rezone other areas to Rockville, HS, but I can't see MCPS moving Maryvale out of an under utilized cluster like Rockville HS into another cluster where the switch would make the other school (RM) at or still above capacity.

Based on the 2018-19 data in the CIP (http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP21_Chap4_RM.pdf), taking Twinbrook and RP out of RM would decrease the FARMS rate at the ES level from 31% (the current ES rate) to about 25%. While RP does have the lowest FARMS rate of the current RM elementary schools, it's also lower capacity than the others, so removing it doesn't have a huge effect on the percentage.

Actually, in a hypothetical scenario where Twinbrook and RP end up at Wootton, the FARMS rates between RM and Wootton become much more balanced, and you do it without a lot of geographic disruption given that RP is closer to Wootton than RM.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly when house hunting two years ago, Churchill and Whitman were only two HS that drove RE prices.

Wooton and Walter were next best but you got a discount and the rest were in value areas.

This wont matter, dont worry

Wootton has like a $50K minimum increase in value over being in QOHS. We looked a year earlier than you, but it was definitely something that mattered.....many families move just for Wootton.

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Fallsgrove won’t go to Crown. It is 2/3 of Ritchie Park students. The northwest side of Wootton will be shifted as the bus drive is too far anyway. Travilah to QO cluster. Dufief to Crown. That leaves Ritchie Park and Twinbrook going to Wootton. Remember, the plan is to even neighborhoods and FARMS. RM is overcrowded so having CG, Beall, Rustin, and then Maryvale keeps RM less in numbers, same FARMS and increases FARMS at Wootton. It decreases FARMS at QO. All of this minus 1.5 extra miles to Wootton, makes every other schools change closer. I do think King Farm will go to Gaithersburg, not Crown or RM.

I don't think that will make RM have the same FARMs rate as it is now. RP, including FG, has the lowest FARMs rate, and Maryvale FARMs is also fairly high.

FG does not have the lowest. They actually have HUD housing, at least 10% I think as does Park Potomac. The areas that are low in FARMS are the older single family home developments.

Maryvale has over 30% less FARMS than Twinbrook. It would be an even trade and less kids since RM desperately needs either a new addition or 1 less school in their cluster. And like another poster pointed out, they would have options to increase the IB program if needed. Right now, they have portables stacking up in the parking lot. It is terrible. The other option is to move the IB program to Crown which I can totally see happening. Then RM's FARMS rate would get pretty high.

RP, includes FG.. I'm pointing out that RP won't be moved out of RM to Wootton because RP has the lowest FARMs rate of all the ESs in the RM cluster. Maryvale is zoned for Rockville HS, and that HS is already under capacity. I suppose they could rezone other areas to Rockville, HS, but I can't see MCPS moving Maryvale out of an under utilized cluster like Rockville HS into another cluster where the switch would make the other school (RM) at or still above capacity.

Based on the 2018-19 data in the CIP (http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP21_Chap4_RM.pdf), taking Twinbrook and RP out of RM would decrease the FARMS rate at the ES level from 31% (the current ES rate) to about 25%. While RP does have the lowest FARMS rate of the current RM elementary schools, it's also lower capacity than the others, so removing it doesn't have a huge effect on the percentage.

Actually, in a hypothetical scenario where Twinbrook and RP end up at Wootton, the FARMS rates between RM and Wootton become much more balanced, and you do it without a lot of geographic disruption given that RP is closer to Wootton than RM.

The piece of the puzzle that's missing here is Crown HS, and how that will impact FARMs rate for RM. I don't think it will have that much impact on Wootton FARMs rate.

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Fallsgrove won’t go to Crown. It is 2/3 of Ritchie Park students. The northwest side of Wootton will be shifted as the bus drive is too far anyway. Travilah to QO cluster. Dufief to Crown. That leaves Ritchie Park and Twinbrook going to Wootton. Remember, the plan is to even neighborhoods and FARMS. RM is overcrowded so having CG, Beall, Rustin, and then Maryvale keeps RM less in numbers, same FARMS and increases FARMS at Wootton. It decreases FARMS at QO. All of this minus 1.5 extra miles to Wootton, makes every other schools change closer. I do think King Farm will go to Gaithersburg, not Crown or RM.

I don't think that will make RM have the same FARMs rate as it is now. RP, including FG, has the lowest FARMs rate, and Maryvale FARMs is also fairly high.

FG does not have the lowest. They actually have HUD housing, at least 10% I think as does Park Potomac. The areas that are low in FARMS are the older single family home developments.

Maryvale has over 30% less FARMS than Twinbrook. It would be an even trade and less kids since RM desperately needs either a new addition or 1 less school in their cluster. And like another poster pointed out, they would have options to increase the IB program if needed. Right now, they have portables stacking up in the parking lot. It is terrible. The other option is to move the IB program to Crown which I can totally see happening. Then RM's FARMS rate would get pretty high.

RP, includes FG.. I'm pointing out that RP won't be moved out of RM to Wootton because RP has the lowest FARMs rate of all the ESs in the RM cluster. Maryvale is zoned for Rockville HS, and that HS is already under capacity. I suppose they could rezone other areas to Rockville, HS, but I can't see MCPS moving Maryvale out of an under utilized cluster like Rockville HS into another cluster where the switch would make the other school (RM) at or still above capacity.

Based on the 2018-19 data in the CIP (http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP21_Chap4_RM.pdf), taking Twinbrook and RP out of RM would decrease the FARMS rate at the ES level from 31% (the current ES rate) to about 25%. While RP does have the lowest FARMS rate of the current RM elementary schools, it's also lower capacity than the others, so removing it doesn't have a huge effect on the percentage.

Actually, in a hypothetical scenario where Twinbrook and RP end up at Wootton, the FARMS rates between RM and Wootton become much more balanced, and you do it without a lot of geographic disruption given that RP is closer to Wootton than RM.

The piece of the puzzle that's missing here is Crown HS, and how that will impact FARMs rate for RM. I don't think it will have that much impact on Wootton FARMs rate.

Right... my point is that there's room to move a couple of ES zones from Wootton to Crown and a couple from RM to Wootton where you end up with a more even demographic balance between RM, Wootton and Crown, without any significant geographic obstacles. That's the context for why we'd be in a position to move any ES zones from RM to Wootton in the first place (i.e., some Wootton ES zones are shifting to Crown, opening up space at Wootton).

If the only thing on the table is moving ES zones directly into Crown without changing anything else, then Wootton is going to remain much lower FARMS than RM or Crown. It would be one thing if that were destined to be the case due to geographic limitations, but that's not the case here given where Wootton HS is located and its proximity to many of the RM zones.

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Fallsgrove won’t go to Crown. It is 2/3 of Ritchie Park students. The northwest side of Wootton will be shifted as the bus drive is too far anyway. Travilah to QO cluster. Dufief to Crown. That leaves Ritchie Park and Twinbrook going to Wootton. Remember, the plan is to even neighborhoods and FARMS. RM is overcrowded so having CG, Beall, Rustin, and then Maryvale keeps RM less in numbers, same FARMS and increases FARMS at Wootton. It decreases FARMS at QO. All of this minus 1.5 extra miles to Wootton, makes every other schools change closer. I do think King Farm will go to Gaithersburg, not Crown or RM.

I don't think that will make RM have the same FARMs rate as it is now. RP, including FG, has the lowest FARMs rate, and Maryvale FARMs is also fairly high.

FG does not have the lowest. They actually have HUD housing, at least 10% I think as does Park Potomac. The areas that are low in FARMS are the older single family home developments.

Maryvale has over 30% less FARMS than Twinbrook. It would be an even trade and less kids since RM desperately needs either a new addition or 1 less school in their cluster. And like another poster pointed out, they would have options to increase the IB program if needed. Right now, they have portables stacking up in the parking lot. It is terrible. The other option is to move the IB program to Crown which I can totally see happening. Then RM's FARMS rate would get pretty high.

RP, includes FG.. I'm pointing out that RP won't be moved out of RM to Wootton because RP has the lowest FARMs rate of all the ESs in the RM cluster. Maryvale is zoned for Rockville HS, and that HS is already under capacity. I suppose they could rezone other areas to Rockville, HS, but I can't see MCPS moving Maryvale out of an under utilized cluster like Rockville HS into another cluster where the switch would make the other school (RM) at or still above capacity.

Based on the 2018-19 data in the CIP (http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP21_Chap4_RM.pdf), taking Twinbrook and RP out of RM would decrease the FARMS rate at the ES level from 31% (the current ES rate) to about 25%. While RP does have the lowest FARMS rate of the current RM elementary schools, it's also lower capacity than the others, so removing it doesn't have a huge effect on the percentage.

Actually, in a hypothetical scenario where Twinbrook and RP end up at Wootton, the FARMS rates between RM and Wootton become much more balanced, and you do it without a lot of geographic disruption given that RP is closer to Wootton than RM.

The piece of the puzzle that's missing here is Crown HS, and how that will impact FARMs rate for RM. I don't think it will have that much impact on Wootton FARMs rate.

Right... my point is that there's room to move a couple of ES zones from Wootton to Crown and a couple from RM to Wootton where you end up with a more even demographic balance between RM, Wootton and Crown, without any significant geographic obstacles. That's the context for why we'd be in a position to move any ES zones from RM to Wootton in the first place (i.e., some Wootton ES zones are shifting to Crown, opening up space at Wootton).

If the only thing on the table is moving ES zones directly into Crown without changing anything else, then Wootton is going to remain much lower FARMS than RM or Crown. It would be one thing if that were destined to be the case due to geographic limitations, but that's not the case here given where Wootton HS is located and its proximity to many of the RM zones.

No Wootton Elementary schools are going to be changed to Crown. Developers have been suggesting that since Crown broke ground. StoneMill is too large to take away, Dufief is small but won't solve the issues and Travilah would be a busing nightmare. Keep trying to push that narative it's a no go.

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Fallsgrove won’t go to Crown. It is 2/3 of Ritchie Park students. The northwest side of Wootton will be shifted as the bus drive is too far anyway. Travilah to QO cluster. Dufief to Crown. That leaves Ritchie Park and Twinbrook going to Wootton. Remember, the plan is to even neighborhoods and FARMS. RM is overcrowded so having CG, Beall, Rustin, and then Maryvale keeps RM less in numbers, same FARMS and increases FARMS at Wootton. It decreases FARMS at QO. All of this minus 1.5 extra miles to Wootton, makes every other schools change closer. I do think King Farm will go to Gaithersburg, not Crown or RM.

I don't think that will make RM have the same FARMs rate as it is now. RP, including FG, has the lowest FARMs rate, and Maryvale FARMs is also fairly high.

FG does not have the lowest. They actually have HUD housing, at least 10% I think as does Park Potomac. The areas that are low in FARMS are the older single family home developments.

Maryvale has over 30% less FARMS than Twinbrook. It would be an even trade and less kids since RM desperately needs either a new addition or 1 less school in their cluster. And like another poster pointed out, they would have options to increase the IB program if needed. Right now, they have portables stacking up in the parking lot. It is terrible. The other option is to move the IB program to Crown which I can totally see happening. Then RM's FARMS rate would get pretty high.

RP, includes FG.. I'm pointing out that RP won't be moved out of RM to Wootton because RP has the lowest FARMs rate of all the ESs in the RM cluster. Maryvale is zoned for Rockville HS, and that HS is already under capacity. I suppose they could rezone other areas to Rockville, HS, but I can't see MCPS moving Maryvale out of an under utilized cluster like Rockville HS into another cluster where the switch would make the other school (RM) at or still above capacity.

Based on the 2018-19 data in the CIP (http://gis.mcpsmd.org/cipmasterpdfs/CIP21_Chap4_RM.pdf), taking Twinbrook and RP out of RM would decrease the FARMS rate at the ES level from 31% (the current ES rate) to about 25%. While RP does have the lowest FARMS rate of the current RM elementary schools, it's also lower capacity than the others, so removing it doesn't have a huge effect on the percentage.

Actually, in a hypothetical scenario where Twinbrook and RP end up at Wootton, the FARMS rates between RM and Wootton become much more balanced, and you do it without a lot of geographic disruption given that RP is closer to Wootton than RM.

The piece of the puzzle that's missing here is Crown HS, and how that will impact FARMs rate for RM. I don't think it will have that much impact on Wootton FARMs rate.

Right... my point is that there's room to move a couple of ES zones from Wootton to Crown and a couple from RM to Wootton where you end up with a more even demographic balance between RM, Wootton and Crown, without any significant geographic obstacles. That's the context for why we'd be in a position to move any ES zones from RM to Wootton in the first place (i.e., some Wootton ES zones are shifting to Crown, opening up space at Wootton).

If the only thing on the table is moving ES zones directly into Crown without changing anything else, then Wootton is going to remain much lower FARMS than RM or Crown. It would be one thing if that were destined to be the case due to geographic limitations, but that's not the case here given where Wootton HS is located and its proximity to many of the RM zones.

No Wootton Elementary schools are going to be changed to Crown. Developers have been suggesting that since Crown broke ground. StoneMill is too large to take away, Dufief is small but won't solve the issues and Travilah would be a busing nightmare. Keep trying to push that narative it's a no go.

MCPS also just gave Wootton an addition so there will not be a numbers issues. RM's addition was canceled. The W high schools are always protected.