GreatSchools makes segregation easy!

[Anonymous]

Here is what OP said a few pages back. Read again and make sure you understand before you claim something completely different.

Anonymous wrote:Hey everybody, I'm the OP and I'm back.

The point of this thread was that GreatSchools is promoting segregation. I have to admit that I assumed it would not be controversial to be against segregation.

I cannot believe this thread has devolved into pro- and anti-segregation arguments. Who the hell is pro-segregation? I feel like we've just lost 60 years. My dad went to segregated (white) schools in the 1950s and people made the exact same arguments.

[Anonymous]

Unfortunately, most of Blacks and Hispanics students perform below average in MCPS. If you want to find a school with better test score, you are most likely looking at a school with more Asian or white students.
Calling everyone a racist will not enhance the test score of the kids in schools with low GS rating. Please donate your time and money to the schools, the families in need, or set up playdate for your child and the kids in need. You may help a few kids to improve their odd to move out of poverty.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If I've got this right, some people support GreatSchools giving them this data because they think Asian > white > Hispanic > black and they think it's important to live near the most intelligent and highest SES people possible.

So there you go, GreatSchools. You're providing a convenient service to some seriously misanthropic assholes. I hope someone who works there sees this thread. What great advertising!

are you saying you don't want to be near the most intelligent and highest SES people. Are you that stupid.

I'd settle for being far, far away from people like you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Now it used to be that if you asked around to find out which schools were the whitest, you would get some nasty accusations of racism. Not anymore! Check out GreatSchools, where ratings are nearly 100% correlated with race. The higher the number, the more white kids. The lower the number, the more black and Hispanic kids. It's that easy! And you can still tell your friends "We don't care what color the kids are. We just want the best schools." Everybody wins!


(Yes, of course I'm sarcastic. Not everybody wins. In fact, nearly all neighborhoods lose with such a targeted tool for white-flight. In the meantime, nobody learns anything about each school's principal, class size, facilities, discipline policy, philosophy, class offerings, etc. Just test scores. They're all that matters now. Am I bitter? You bet. People will say I'm just mad my school's rating dropped. Yes I am. This goddamn GreatSchools formula turns the fantastic kids at my local school into a liability -- little anchors weighing down property values. This is wrong.)

Little anchors are weighing the whole school district down. Most families don’t want to set up house that schools illegal aliens and their kids. I have seen how time consuming it is for the teachers to teach them. And sorry to say but they do decrease test scores, they will never close the gap, and they do lower home values. No one wants to live in a neighborhood that looks like a 3rd world country.

But you keep welcoming them as they decrease school and home values. Not to mention take up a large portion of our school budgets with more ESOL teachers and FARMS than our budget allows for. So we just ask for more and more money.

Asians assimilate and make education a priority. Even the poor ones. In NYC, it took poor non English speaking Asian immigrants only 6 months to bypass Hispanic and AA scores in public school. Within a year they were at or above whites. It doesn’t take money or white privilege to do well in school. It takes parents at home that prioritize education into their kids.

But don’t worry. The more they cross here and the more babies they pop out, Hispanics will dominate MC. They already are the majority in MCPS bypassing whites students last year. Mucho Gracias!!

I doubt the poster that made the ignorant comments above will change his or her mind. But just in case there are reasonable minded people that think the points made above have any level of validity I offer the following:

You can find 100s of articles just like the one provided below with stats and citations from actual experts that study race relations.

https://www.npr.org/sections/codeswitch/2017/04/19/524571669/model-minority-myth-again-used-as-a-racial-wedge-between-asians-and-blacks

A piece from New York Magazine's Andrew Sullivan over the weekend ended with an old, well-worn trope: Asian-Americans, with their "solid two-parent family structures," are a shining example of how to overcome discrimination.
Sullivan's piece, rife with generalizations about a group as vastly diverse as Asian-Americans, rightfully raised hackles. Not only inaccurate, his piece spreads the idea that Asian-Americans as a group are monolithic, even though parsing data by ethnicity reveals a host of disparities;

"Sullivan's comments showcase a classic and tenacious conservative strategy," Janelle Wong, the director of Asian American Studies at the University of Maryland, College Park, said in an email. This strategy, she said, involves "1) ignoring the role that selective recruitment of highly educated Asian immigrants has played in Asian American success followed by 2) making a flawed comparison between Asian Americans and other groups, particularly Black Americans, to argue that racism, including more than two centuries of black enslavement, can be overcome by hard work and strong family values."

This article didn't have facts, only assertions from people who study "racism". There is a difference.

[Anonymous]

Yawn I'm pretty much done here. In real life deciding between a school with higher test scores and by extension higher SES and by extension larger amounts of whites and asians vs one with lower test scores and by extension lower SES and by extension larger amounts of African Americans and Hispanics the choice is obvious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yawn I'm pretty much done here. In real life deciding between a school with higher test scores and by extension higher SES and by extension larger amounts of whites and asians vs one with lower test scores and by extension lower SES and by extension larger amounts of African Americans and Hispanics the choice is obvious.

hooray!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Yawn I'm pretty much done here. In real life deciding between a school with higher test scores and by extension higher SES and by extension larger amounts of whites and asians vs one with lower test scores and by extension lower SES and by extension larger amounts of African Americans and Hispanics the choice is obvious.

Isn't diversity worth the consideration even though the test score might be a little lower?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yawn I'm pretty much done here. In real life deciding between a school with higher test scores and by extension higher SES and by extension larger amounts of whites and asians vs one with lower test scores and by extension lower SES and by extension larger amounts of African Americans and Hispanics the choice is obvious.

Isn't diversity worth the consideration even though the test score might be a little lower?

When I consider that my child is just as likely to thrive in a school with lower test scores, and that being in a diverse environment can teach children empathy and the ability to see things from different points of view, yes, I would say that diversity is well worth the consideration, even if it means the school might have lower test scores.

Also, do people think there is necessarily a warm, positive atmosphere in "high SES" schools? They can be pressure cookers filled with unhappy kids being driven to get in the best university possible at all costs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yawn I'm pretty much done here. In real life deciding between a school with higher test scores and by extension higher SES and by extension larger amounts of whites and asians vs one with lower test scores and by extension lower SES and by extension larger amounts of African Americans and Hispanics the choice is obvious.

Isn't diversity worth the consideration even though the test score might be a little lower?

I think you hit the nail on the head. Some of us see value in diversity and some of us don't. Personally I haven't seen any value in diversity for higher SES kids. The lower SES kids obviously benefit from having higher SES kids in the class room. Higher SES kids are ignored/not challenged when they are in more diverse classrooms. This can be fixed if you have tracking but then you need to ensure that the teacher can actually do tracking and there is enough of a cohort to proceed at an advanced level.

Bottom line again liberals often go on and on about diversity without showing evidence that it benefits higher SES folks. Personally I think there is no benefit especially from an academic perspective

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yawn I'm pretty much done here. In real life deciding between a school with higher test scores and by extension higher SES and by extension larger amounts of whites and asians vs one with lower test scores and by extension lower SES and by extension larger amounts of African Americans and Hispanics the choice is obvious.

Isn't diversity worth the consideration even though the test score might be a little lower?

I think you hit the nail on the head. Some of us see value in diversity and some of us don't. Personally I haven't seen any value in diversity for higher SES kids. The lower SES kids obviously benefit from having higher SES kids in the class room. Higher SES kids are ignored/not challenged when they are in more diverse classrooms. This can be fixed if you have tracking but then you need to ensure that the teacher can actually do tracking and there is enough of a cohort to proceed at an advanced level.

Bottom line again liberals often go on and on about diversity without showing evidence that it benefits higher SES folks. Personally I think there is no benefit especially from an academic perspective

oh and forgot to add many liberals spout the accolades of diversity but when it comes to their own kids they go private and/or stay in higher SES districts and have nothing to do with lower income SES fleeing if areas even remotely begin to add lower SES diversity. The hypocrisy is typical. Classic do as I say not as I do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yawn I'm pretty much done here. In real life deciding between a school with higher test scores and by extension higher SES and by extension larger amounts of whites and asians vs one with lower test scores and by extension lower SES and by extension larger amounts of African Americans and Hispanics the choice is obvious.

Isn't diversity worth the consideration even though the test score might be a little lower?

I think you hit the nail on the head. Some of us see value in diversity and some of us don't. Personally I haven't seen any value in diversity for higher SES kids. The lower SES kids obviously benefit from having higher SES kids in the class room. Higher SES kids are ignored/not challenged when they are in more diverse classrooms. This can be fixed if you have tracking but then you need to ensure that the teacher can actually do tracking and there is enough of a cohort to proceed at an advanced level.

Bottom line again liberals often go on and on about diversity without showing evidence that it benefits higher SES folks. Personally I think there is no benefit especially from an academic perspective

If all you are looking for is to ensure that your child can achieve high test scores, then yes, diversity has no play. But some parents do see tangible benefits to diversity. I went to a diverse high school here in MOCO, back in the 90s. My best friends were all over the rainbow (African American, Pakistani, White, Hispanic, etc.). All of us are actually really doing well in life including in our careers. One of the things however that I find myself being able to do, more successfully than my colleagues who went to schools that were close to all white, is my ability to get along and relate to people from diverse backgrounds. I want my kids to have the same experience. Seriously, for as diverse this area is, it's laughable to see white people who don't know how to be friends with others who don't look like them. You can feel their discomfort when they're around others who are not like them. I don't want that for my kids and I do believe that success in life isn't solely about academic performance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yawn I'm pretty much done here. In real life deciding between a school with higher test scores and by extension higher SES and by extension larger amounts of whites and asians vs one with lower test scores and by extension lower SES and by extension larger amounts of African Americans and Hispanics the choice is obvious.

Isn't diversity worth the consideration even though the test score might be a little lower?

I think you hit the nail on the head. Some of us see value in diversity and some of us don't. Personally I haven't seen any value in diversity for higher SES kids. The lower SES kids obviously benefit from having higher SES kids in the class room. Higher SES kids are ignored/not challenged when they are in more diverse classrooms. This can be fixed if you have tracking but then you need to ensure that the teacher can actually do tracking and there is enough of a cohort to proceed at an advanced level.

Bottom line again liberals often go on and on about diversity without showing evidence that it benefits higher SES folks. Personally I think there is no benefit especially from an academic perspective

oh and forgot to add many liberals spout the accolades of diversity but when it comes to their own kids they go private and/or stay in higher SES districts and have nothing to do with lower income SES fleeing if areas even remotely begin to add lower SES diversity. The hypocrisy is typical. Classic do as I say not as I do.

You understand that there are liberals with lower SES right?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Yawn I'm pretty much done here. In real life deciding between a school with higher test scores and by extension higher SES and by extension larger amounts of whites and asians vs one with lower test scores and by extension lower SES and by extension larger amounts of African Americans and Hispanics the choice is obvious.

Isn't diversity worth the consideration even though the test score might be a little lower?

I think you hit the nail on the head. Some of us see value in diversity and some of us don't. Personally I haven't seen any value in diversity for higher SES kids. The lower SES kids obviously benefit from having higher SES kids in the class room. Higher SES kids are ignored/not challenged when they are in more diverse classrooms. This can be fixed if you have tracking but then you need to ensure that the teacher can actually do tracking and there is enough of a cohort to proceed at an advanced level.

Bottom line again liberals often go on and on about diversity without showing evidence that it benefits higher SES folks. Personally I think there is no benefit especially from an academic perspective

oh and forgot to add many liberals spout the accolades of diversity but when it comes to their own kids they go private and/or stay in higher SES districts and have nothing to do with lower income SES fleeing if areas even remotely begin to add lower SES diversity. The hypocrisy is typical. Classic do as I say not as I do.

You understand that there are liberals with lower SES right?

of course, this is DCUM which schews upper SES and liberal and is full of all sorts of hypocrisy

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

oh and forgot to add many liberals spout the accolades of diversity but when it comes to their own kids they go private and/or stay in higher SES districts and have nothing to do with lower income SES fleeing if areas even remotely begin to add lower SES diversity. The hypocrisy is typical. Classic do as I say not as I do.

I wonder what an accolade of diversity is, and whether it's possible to spout such a thing. Please provide instructions, thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

oh and forgot to add many liberals spout the accolades of diversity but when it comes to their own kids they go private and/or stay in higher SES districts and have nothing to do with lower income SES fleeing if areas even remotely begin to add lower SES diversity. The hypocrisy is typical. Classic do as I say not as I do.

I wonder what an accolade of diversity is, and whether it's possible to spout such a thing. Please provide instructions, thanks!

hey the village idiot is back liberalism is a disease folks