GreatSchools makes segregation easy!

[Anonymous]

So far on this thread, the only defenders of GreatSchools as a handy tool for segregation seem to be those who want to Make America Great Again. That tells me all I need to know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yawn I'm pretty much done here. In real life deciding between a school with higher test scores and by extension higher SES and by extension larger amounts of whites and asians vs one with lower test scores and by extension lower SES and by extension larger amounts of African Americans and Hispanics the choice is obvious.

Isn't diversity worth the consideration even though the test score might be a little lower?

I think you hit the nail on the head. Some of us see value in diversity and some of us don't. Personally I haven't seen any value in diversity for higher SES kids. The lower SES kids obviously benefit from having higher SES kids in the class room. Higher SES kids are ignored/not challenged when they are in more diverse classrooms. This can be fixed if you have tracking but then you need to ensure that the teacher can actually do tracking and there is enough of a cohort to proceed at an advanced level.

Bottom line again liberals often go on and on about diversity without showing evidence that it benefits higher SES folks. Personally I think there is no benefit especially from an academic perspective

oh and forgot to add many liberals spout the accolades of diversity but when it comes to their own kids they go private and/or stay in higher SES districts and have nothing to do with lower income SES fleeing if areas even remotely begin to add lower SES diversity. The hypocrisy is typical. Classic do as I say not as I do.

You understand that there are liberals with lower SES right?

NP: Good point. As a matter of fact, the average Dem voter is lower SES than the average GOP voter

Enjoy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yawn I'm pretty much done here. In real life deciding between a school with higher test scores and by extension higher SES and by extension larger amounts of whites and asians vs one with lower test scores and by extension lower SES and by extension larger amounts of African Americans and Hispanics the choice is obvious.

Isn't diversity worth the consideration even though the test score might be a little lower?

I think you hit the nail on the head. Some of us see value in diversity and some of us don't. Personally I haven't seen any value in diversity for higher SES kids. The lower SES kids obviously benefit from having higher SES kids in the class room. Higher SES kids are ignored/not challenged when they are in more diverse classrooms. This can be fixed if you have tracking but then you need to ensure that the teacher can actually do tracking and there is enough of a cohort to proceed at an advanced level.

Bottom line again liberals often go on and on about diversity without showing evidence that it benefits higher SES folks. Personally I think there is no benefit especially from an academic perspective

oh and forgot to add many liberals spout the accolades of diversity but when it comes to their own kids they go private and/or stay in higher SES districts and have nothing to do with lower income SES fleeing if areas even remotely begin to add lower SES diversity. The hypocrisy is typical. Classic do as I say not as I do.

You understand that there are liberals with lower SES right?

NP: Good point. As a matter of fact, the average Dem voter is lower SES than the average GOP voter

Enjoy.

Not true! There is bigger consistency in SES among Democrats than among Republicans. GOP voters tend to be either filthy rich or poor and uneducated.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Yawn I'm pretty much done here. In real life deciding between a school with higher test scores and by extension higher SES and by extension larger amounts of whites and asians vs one with lower test scores and by extension lower SES and by extension larger amounts of African Americans and Hispanics the choice is obvious.

Isn't diversity worth the consideration even though the test score might be a little lower?

I think you hit the nail on the head. Some of us see value in diversity and some of us don't. Personally I haven't seen any value in diversity for higher SES kids. The lower SES kids obviously benefit from having higher SES kids in the class room. Higher SES kids are ignored/not challenged when they are in more diverse classrooms. This can be fixed if you have tracking but then you need to ensure that the teacher can actually do tracking and there is enough of a cohort to proceed at an advanced level.

Bottom line again liberals often go on and on about diversity without showing evidence that it benefits higher SES folks. Personally I think there is no benefit especially from an academic perspective

oh and forgot to add many liberals spout the accolades of diversity but when it comes to their own kids they go private and/or stay in higher SES districts and have nothing to do with lower income SES fleeing if areas even remotely begin to add lower SES diversity. The hypocrisy is typical. Classic do as I say not as I do.

You understand that there are liberals with lower SES right?

NP: Good point. As a matter of fact, the average Dem voter is lower SES than the average GOP voter

Enjoy.

Lady (or crazy dude), you don't seem to understand what average means.

Look it up.

Then, go compare Dem vs GOP average, and report back.

Now, for bonus points, you can also learn what variance means, compare it for both parties, and report back.

I truly hope your head doesn't explode in the process.

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Anonymous wrote:Yawn I'm pretty much done here. In real life deciding between a school with higher test scores and by extension higher SES and by extension larger amounts of whites and asians vs one with lower test scores and by extension lower SES and by extension larger amounts of African Americans and Hispanics the choice is obvious.

Isn't diversity worth the consideration even though the test score might be a little lower?

I think you hit the nail on the head. Some of us see value in diversity and some of us don't. Personally I haven't seen any value in diversity for higher SES kids. The lower SES kids obviously benefit from having higher SES kids in the class room. Higher SES kids are ignored/not challenged when they are in more diverse classrooms. This can be fixed if you have tracking but then you need to ensure that the teacher can actually do tracking and there is enough of a cohort to proceed at an advanced level.

Bottom line again liberals often go on and on about diversity without showing evidence that it benefits higher SES folks. Personally I think there is no benefit especially from an academic perspective

oh and forgot to add many liberals spout the accolades of diversity but when it comes to their own kids they go private and/or stay in higher SES districts and have nothing to do with lower income SES fleeing if areas even remotely begin to add lower SES diversity. The hypocrisy is typical. Classic do as I say not as I do.

You understand that there are liberals with lower SES right?

NP: Good point. As a matter of fact, the average Dem voter is lower SES than the average GOP voter

Enjoy.

Not true! There is bigger consistency in SES among Democrats than among Republicans. GOP voters tend to be either filthy rich or poor and uneducated.

Since half of Democratic voters are black and Hispanic, I find this hard to believe.

[Anonymous]

Yah segregation was so much harder before greatschools. Oh wait.

People flock to their own unless they need to feed off the scraps of a better off group. Then they flock to areas where then can find scraps. It is human nature. Do you think the Chinese aren’t going to become the global superpower in a hundred years due to their poor diversity?

If our differences are what define us, why is it so taboo to rank the differences? Do you really have to surrender the narrative to the participation medal generation.

What is the point of privilege if you can’t pass it down?

[Anonymous]

The GS is a business. It makes money by translating the data published by MCPS and other school distracts into nice bar graphs. GS doesnt make up data. It is a fact that the blacks and hispanics perform below average. The families who value high test score and the families who value diversity can find what they are looking for. Of corse, a few families may want to find a school with more white, black, Asian, and Hispanic for their child. GS makes their rating based on facts, not skin color!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The GS is a business. It makes money by translating the data published by MCPS and other school distracts into nice bar graphs. GS doesnt make up data. It is a fact that the blacks and hispanics perform below average. The families who value high test score and the families who value diversity can find what they are looking for. Of corse, a few families may want to find a school with more white, black, Asian, and Hispanic for their child. GS makes their rating based on facts, not skin color!

Yes, we get that.

The point is that families who just want a good school for their kids and don't have anything else to go on may look at GS numbers and decide naively that only 8, 9, 10 schools are acceptable (thus perpetuating segregation) when all experience of upper-income families shows that their kids do well in schools scoring 4, 6, 8, etc.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The GS is a business. It makes money by translating the data published by MCPS and other school distracts into nice bar graphs. GS doesnt make up data. It is a fact that the blacks and hispanics perform below average. The families who value high test score and the families who value diversity can find what they are looking for. Of corse, a few families may want to find a school with more white, black, Asian, and Hispanic for their child. GS makes their rating based on facts, not skin color!

Yes, we get that.

The point is that families who just want a good school for their kids and don't have anything else to go on may look at GS numbers and decide naively that only 8, 9, 10 schools are acceptable (thus perpetuating segregation) when all experience of upper-income families shows that their kids do well in schools scoring 4, 6, 8, etc.

yes less competition for us. Are you really that dense. Sure a high SES kid will be ok at a lower ranked school. But why would anyone settle for ok. You need to be challenged and driven which can only be found when you are surrounded by high caliber peers. I guess you are ok with an average life and career for your kids. Most of the rest of us want the best for our children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The GS is a business. It makes money by translating the data published by MCPS and other school distracts into nice bar graphs. GS doesnt make up data. It is a fact that the blacks and hispanics perform below average. The families who value high test score and the families who value diversity can find what they are looking for. Of corse, a few families may want to find a school with more white, black, Asian, and Hispanic for their child. GS makes their rating based on facts, not skin color!

Yes, we get that.

The point is that families who just want a good school for their kids and don't have anything else to go on may look at GS numbers and decide naively that only 8, 9, 10 schools are acceptable (thus perpetuating segregation) when all experience of upper-income families shows that their kids do well in schools scoring 4, 6, 8, etc.

yes less competition for us. Are you really that dense. Sure a high SES kid will be ok at a lower ranked school. But why would anyone settle for ok. You need to be challenged and driven which can only be found when you are surrounded by high caliber peers. I guess you are ok with an average life and career for your kids. Most of the rest of us want the best for our children.

One of the advantage to be in a low GS ating school is to feel good about onwself: easy to be the top kid in the classroom or the whole school, more attention from teachers, more oppotunity to be student leader,etc.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The GS is a business. It makes money by translating the data published by MCPS and other school distracts into nice bar graphs. GS doesnt make up data. It is a fact that the blacks and hispanics perform below average. The families who value high test score and the families who value diversity can find what they are looking for. Of corse, a few families may want to find a school with more white, black, Asian, and Hispanic for their child. GS makes their rating based on facts, not skin color!

Yes, we get that.

The point is that families who just want a good school for their kids and don't have anything else to go on may look at GS numbers and decide naively that only 8, 9, 10 schools are acceptable (thus perpetuating segregation) when all experience of upper-income families shows that their kids do well in schools scoring 4, 6, 8, etc.

yes less competition for us. Are you really that dense. Sure a high SES kid will be ok at a lower ranked school. But why would anyone settle for ok. You need to be challenged and driven which can only be found when you are surrounded by high caliber peers. I guess you are ok with an average life and career for your kids. Most of the rest of us want the best for our children.

One of the advantage to be in a low GS ating school is to feel good about onwself: easy to be the top kid in the classroom or the whole school, more attention from teachers, more oppotunity to be student leader,etc.

From your side the general argument is big fish small pond. I don't think your points make much sense. As a top performer in an average classroom you actually get less attention and focus from teachers. and again your peer group won't be challenging enough to spur the greatest amount of growth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The GS is a business. It makes money by translating the data published by MCPS and other school distracts into nice bar graphs. GS doesnt make up data. It is a fact that the blacks and hispanics perform below average. The families who value high test score and the families who value diversity can find what they are looking for. Of corse, a few families may want to find a school with more white, black, Asian, and Hispanic for their child. GS makes their rating based on facts, not skin color!

Yes, we get that.

The point is that families who just want a good school for their kids and don't have anything else to go on may look at GS numbers and decide naively that only 8, 9, 10 schools are acceptable (thus perpetuating segregation) when all experience of upper-income families shows that their kids do well in schools scoring 4, 6, 8, etc.

yes less competition for us. Are you really that dense. Sure a high SES kid will be ok at a lower ranked school. But why would anyone settle for ok. You need to be challenged and driven which can only be found when you are surrounded by high caliber peers. I guess you are ok with an average life and career for your kids. Most of the rest of us want the best for our children.

Not just OK, but "well." They do well. You mistook "well" for "OK." Not to mention the above mentioned advantages to being in a diverse environment...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The GS is a business. It makes money by translating the data published by MCPS and other school distracts into nice bar graphs. GS doesnt make up data. It is a fact that the blacks and hispanics perform below average. The families who value high test score and the families who value diversity can find what they are looking for. Of corse, a few families may want to find a school with more white, black, Asian, and Hispanic for their child. GS makes their rating based on facts, not skin color!

Yes, we get that.

The point is that families who just want a good school for their kids and don't have anything else to go on may look at GS numbers and decide naively that only 8, 9, 10 schools are acceptable (thus perpetuating segregation) when all experience of upper-income families shows that their kids do well in schools scoring 4, 6, 8, etc.

yes less competition for us. Are you really that dense. Sure a high SES kid will be ok at a lower ranked school. But why would anyone settle for ok. You need to be challenged and driven which can only be found when you are surrounded by high caliber peers. I guess you are ok with an average life and career for your kids. Most of the rest of us want the best for our children.

+1.

Signed,

Latina immigrant

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The GS is a business. It makes money by translating the data published by MCPS and other school distracts into nice bar graphs. GS doesnt make up data. It is a fact that the blacks and hispanics perform below average. The families who value high test score and the families who value diversity can find what they are looking for. Of corse, a few families may want to find a school with more white, black, Asian, and Hispanic for their child. GS makes their rating based on facts, not skin color!

Yes, we get that.

The point is that families who just want a good school for their kids and don't have anything else to go on may look at GS numbers and decide naively that only 8, 9, 10 schools are acceptable (thus perpetuating segregation) when all experience of upper-income families shows that their kids do well in schools scoring 4, 6, 8, etc.

yes less competition for us. Are you really that dense. Sure a high SES kid will be ok at a lower ranked school. But why would anyone settle for ok. You need to be challenged and driven which can only be found when you are surrounded by high caliber peers. I guess you are ok with an average life and career for your kids. Most of the rest of us want the best for our children.

Not just OK, but "well." They do well. You mistook "well" for "OK." Not to mention the above mentioned advantages to being in a diverse environment...

agree to disagree on the benefits of being in a diverse environment. I really don't see any benefits from diversity sorry the focus is on getting the best education for my kid, going to a top 25 school and getting a high paying job. Diversity doesn't help with any of that it actually hurts because overall cohort quality goes down.

Shooting for a top 25 college. Much better chance of making it going to a school with top kids vs average or below average. You need to be challenged and have better teachers and resources and rigor and breadth of courses to pick from. This really comes out in high school where many average or below average schools don't offer many APs or have the breadth of classes at better schools.

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agree to disagree on the benefits of being in a diverse environment. I really don't see any benefits from diversity sorry the focus is on getting the best education for my kid, going to a top 25 school and getting a high paying job. Diversity doesn't help with any of that it actually hurts because overall cohort quality goes down.

Shooting for a top 25 college. Much better chance of making it going to a school with top kids vs average or below average. You need to be challenged and have better teachers and resources and rigor and breadth of courses to pick from. This really comes out in high school where many average or below average schools don't offer many APs or have the breadth of classes at better schools.

Not really. Probably your best bet for a top 25 college is to quit your jobs, move your family to rural Idaho, and farm rutabagas or some such. And then your kid would provide the diversity. From the point of view of the "top 25 colleges", one MCPS kid must look much like any other MCPS kid.

Also, while your focus may be to send your kid to school with lots of kids from families like yours, going to a "top 25 college", and getting a high-paying job -- your kid's goals and desires may be different.

You seem to see diversity as an either/or issue. Either you can get a good education and fit into your parents' life plans for you, or you can go to school with kids who are different from you. But it's not an either/or issue.