GreatSchools makes segregation easy!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Bizarre analysis, although this is not the Politics thread. The same people who voted for Obama in the previous two elections are suddenly racist? Or they were tired of being called racist if they disagreed with an Obama policy. Yup, I agree with PP that name-calling won't get you "the change you seek" Neither will blasting people who are concerned about the impact on their child's education and tax bill of an annual influx of several thousand high poverty, aliterate, non-English speaking kids who require wrap-around services in addition to education.

Your fantastic analysis says that the Trump voters are all former Obama voters? There is no other source for Trump voters? Is this how you prove that Trump voters are not racists?

Again, not the Politics thread, but the winning margin in several states was a cross-over demographic...
"the ANES data suggest that about 8.4 million 2012 Obama voters backed Trump in 2016 and 2.5 million Romney voters supported Clinton.[1]"
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/just-how-many-obama-2012-trump-2016-voters-were-there/

Then there were the 8% of African Americans (probably some of the above number); 29% of Hispanics; and 27% of Asians who voted for Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/opinion/election-night-2016/heres-what-happened-with-the-latino-vote
https://nextshark.com/aaldef-exit-poll-asian-americans-voted-for-clinton/

Add to that millions of other people who cared about the pro-life movement, Supreme Court appointments, the economy, the dishonesty of the Clinton's, etc. and I am sure that the vast majority of Trump voters are not racists. Were there some? Probably. Bet there were some who voted for Obama also...

Bring it back to a discussion of education. Again, people can be concerned about the impact of immigration or poverty on their school system without having animus toward people of a given race or ethnicity.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Except the OP is claiming segregation based on racism not lack of economic diversity. (I do think the OP is full of shit and just pissed off about her home value.) In the Wootton cluster, you can get top ranked schools and your kids have a wide range of friends with very diverse cultures, beliefs, and experiences. I fail to see how moving and putting them in a much lower performing school with less actual diversity but large populations of lower income kids clustered into one or two demographics would benefit them in any way.

I wouldn't want to lower my kid's education to help out the OP with her home values.

Yes, that's true, if you overlook the fact that only 6% of the Wootton HS population is black, and only 7% is Hispanic. In a school district where 21% of students are black, and 32% are Hispanic.

Does Wootton have diversity? Yes. Is it a selective, exclusive kind of diversity? Yes. Is it segregation? Yes. Are you going to "lower your kid's education" if you send your kid to a school with kids who are poor/black/Hispanic? No. Is anyone upset that you don't want to live in the DCC? No.

Wait. I live in the DCC but I have to ask how Wooton which is 45% white and 55% no-white a "segregated" school.

[Anonymous]

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Where exactly did you get to proclaim the ideal mix of diversity? Does that mean Most of the DCC is bad because they have too many of certain types? Is lots of poor minorities really a better ideal than large groups of engaged and fiscally independent minorities? I wish they published dropout rates by SES, I would bet a fortune they are dramatically higher in the DCC for the middle class vs the schools like Wootton. But they would never publish those because... well you know why

I'm not. The issue is segregation. Wootton is segregated. (That's a feature, not a bug, for you.)

Also, dropping out of high school is not contagious.

[Anonymous]

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Wait. I live in the DCC but I have to ask how Wooton which is 45% white and 55% no-white a "segregated" school.

Because it's 2018, and there are more than two social categories of race ("white" and "not white") in Montgomery County.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Except the OP is claiming segregation based on racism not lack of economic diversity. (I do think the OP is full of shit and just pissed off about her home value.) In the Wootton cluster, you can get top ranked schools and your kids have a wide range of friends with very diverse cultures, beliefs, and experiences. I fail to see how moving and putting them in a much lower performing school with less actual diversity but large populations of lower income kids clustered into one or two demographics would benefit them in any way.

I wouldn't want to lower my kid's education to help out the OP with her home values.

Yes, that's true, if you overlook the fact that only 6% of the Wootton HS population is black, and only 7% is Hispanic. In a school district where 21% of students are black, and 32% are Hispanic.

Does Wootton have diversity? Yes. Is it a selective, exclusive kind of diversity? Yes. Is it segregation? Yes. Are you going to "lower your kid's education" if you send your kid to a school with kids who are poor/black/Hispanic? No. Is anyone upset that you don't want to live in the DCC? No.

Where exactly did you get to proclaim the ideal mix of diversity? Does that mean Most of the DCC is bad because they have too many of certain types? Is lots of poor minorities really a better ideal than large groups of engaged and fiscally independent minorities? I wish they published dropout rates by SES, I would bet a fortune they are dramatically higher in the DCC for the middle class vs the schools like Wootton. But they would never publish those because... well you know why

A perfectly diverse school would be 0% white (like Kennedy is heading towards). This would be utopia.

[Anonymous]

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A perfectly diverse school would be 0% white (like Kennedy is heading towards). This would be utopia.

Kennedy and Wootton are currently basically equally diverse. Or, rather, non-diverse. Because segregation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
A perfectly diverse school would be 0% white (like Kennedy is heading towards). This would be utopia.

Kennedy and Wootton are currently basically equally diverse. Or, rather, non-diverse. Because segregation.

Wait, I thought I was supposed to send my white child to any DCC school because they are all the Mecca of diversity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
A perfectly diverse school would be 0% white (like Kennedy is heading towards). This would be utopia.

Kennedy and Wootton are currently basically equally diverse. Or, rather, non-diverse. Because segregation.

Wait, I thought I was supposed to send my white child to any DCC school because they are all the Mecca of diversity.

No. Read more carefully.

[Anonymous]

Wait. My kids live in the DCC but I have to ask how a school like Wooton which is 45% white and 55% non-white is considered a "segregated" school.

This X100. Wootton is very mixed racially, ethnically, religiously and every other category except economic and education. The housing is from 300K for a smaller TH up to 1 M for a large house. It lacks the subsidized housing and poverty that you see in Silver Spring and the multi million dollar mansions you see in Potomac. The area has the highest concentration of PHds so you have scientists and doctors making govt salaries not millions.

In many ways, this type of diversity/commonality is better for young kids to NOT build racial stereotypes. DD's AA BF lives in a house bigger than hers. Perfectly normal experience in Wootton while in Silver Spring the chances are more likely that the AA kids live in the poorer sections. Whites aren't always on top for scores and grades at Wootton, can't say the same in Silver Spring.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:
Wait. I live in the DCC but I have to ask how Wooton which is 45% white and 55% no-white a "segregated" school.

Because it's 2018, and there are more than two social categories of race ("white" and "not white") in Montgomery County.

I have yet found one mcps school with the "right" racial mix academically as strong as the "segregated" based on Maryland report cards, not on GS. Not even for the same race.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS bet is that by spending $$$millions on illiterate, unskilled, uneducated illegal aliens/anchor baby children via the PK-12 school system and by providing taxpayer-funded dental, healthcare, 3 meals/day, before and aftercare, babysiting for teens' babies, that the central american children will grow up to be productive U.S. citizens not living on the dole.

Since MCPS has rolled out the carpet like this for over 30 years, thus its sanctuary city status is firmly cemented in many hispanic and global communities, it is beyond time to look at the results. How were test scores of each cohort of illegals? What were the graduation rates? What were the pregnancy rates? Where are the students now? Are they still net recipients of government subsidies or net payors?

Another Trump voter. Will Mexico pay for the wall?

Ouch

[Anonymous]

I love diversity, and feel the most important diversity factor that will influence my child is diversity in values. I would like to send my children to a school where some kids greatly value education and working hard to achieve learning, plus some kids that value skating by and doing the minimum, and then the group of kids that don’t value education or working hard at all. This would be some awesome diversity.

And guess what, it’s prevalent in each and every MCPS!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:MCPS bet is that by spending $$$millions on illiterate, unskilled, uneducated illegal aliens/anchor baby children via the PK-12 school system and by providing taxpayer-funded dental, healthcare, 3 meals/day, before and aftercare, babysiting for teens' babies, that the central american children will grow up to be productive U.S. citizens not living on the dole.

Since MCPS has rolled out the carpet like this for over 30 years, thus its sanctuary city status is firmly cemented in many hispanic and global communities, it is beyond time to look at the results. How were test scores of each cohort of illegals? What were the graduation rates? What were the pregnancy rates? Where are the students now? Are they still net recipients of government subsidies or net payors?

Another Trump voter. Will Mexico pay for the wall?

Ouch

I’d like to know the answers to those questions too. Where can I find them?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Bizarre analysis, although this is not the Politics thread. The same people who voted for Obama in the previous two elections are suddenly racist? Or they were tired of being called racist if they disagreed with an Obama policy. Yup, I agree with PP that name-calling won't get you "the change you seek" Neither will blasting people who are concerned about the impact on their child's education and tax bill of an annual influx of several thousand high poverty, aliterate, non-English speaking kids who require wrap-around services in addition to education.

Your fantastic analysis says that the Trump voters are all former Obama voters? There is no other source for Trump voters? Is this how you prove that Trump voters are not racists?

Again, not the Politics thread, but the winning margin in several states was a cross-over demographic...
"the ANES data suggest that about 8.4 million 2012 Obama voters backed Trump in 2016 and 2.5 million Romney voters supported Clinton.[1]"
http://www.centerforpolitics.org/crystalball/articles/just-how-many-obama-2012-trump-2016-voters-were-there/

Then there were the 8% of African Americans (probably some of the above number); 29% of Hispanics; and 27% of Asians who voted for Trump

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/projects/cp/opinion/election-night-2016/heres-what-happened-with-the-latino-vote
https://nextshark.com/aaldef-exit-poll-asian-americans-voted-for-clinton/

Add to that millions of other people who cared about the pro-life movement, Supreme Court appointments, the economy, the dishonesty of the Clinton's, etc. and I am sure that the vast majority of Trump voters are not racists. Were there some? Probably. Bet there were some who voted for Obama also...

Bring it back to a discussion of education. Again, people can be concerned about the impact of immigration or poverty on their school system without having animus toward people of a given race or ethnicity.

Again, not the politics forum, but your reasoning doesn't make sense. The Trump supporters are not racist because 8.4 million of them voted for Obama in 2016?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
A perfectly diverse school would be 0% white (like Kennedy is heading towards). This would be utopia.

Kennedy and Wootton are currently basically equally diverse. Or, rather, non-diverse. Because segregation.

In fact, most American schools are becoming increasingly segregated. So, for every Whitman, there's a Kennedy. This is bad for both the Whitman kids and the Kennedy kids, and they are two sides of the same problem.