American Sniper

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Anonymous wrote:Some folks all pissed that American Sniper cleaned up at the box office this weekend and that we didn't all dutifully troop into the theatres to watch Selma like we were supposed to.

MLK was a real hero, who affected real change. Chris Kyle won't warrant a mention in the history books. Comparing the two pretty much highlights everything wrong with America these days.

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Since we are 13 years into world war 3, Chris Kyle is more relevant today.

This is not world war iii, anymore than Ebola was the end of America. Conservatives are a panicky bunch.

MLK is clearly more relevant. He changed our entire society. If you can't admit that, you are seriously racist.

Whoa, whoa!! Not the PP and I don't agree with him/her but you are saying if someone chooses to think someone is more relevant than MLK, that they are RACIST? Can the liberals please stop using the race card for every ridiculous retort. Please come up with something better.

In the particular case of MLK yes this is 100% true.

Okay then. Point proven.

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Please disprove it. I'm curious as to whether you think desegregation is less important or King was not instrumental.

The floor is all yours pp.

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Anonymous wrote:Please disprove it. I'm curious as to whether you think desegregation is less important or King was not instrumental.

The floor is all yours pp.

I am not the PP you are referring too but just because someone has an opinion that one person may be more influential than another person, in their opinion, does not make them racist. It just doesn't.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I saw both Selma and American Sniper and I enjoyed them BOTH. I think it is stupid to compare the two and I certainly would not criticize anyone for seeing one over the other. Frankly, I would hope that people would see both - they represent different experiences about being American. It is annoying that folks are always drawing these dumbass ideological lnes in the sand.

Interestingly enough, I am the DW of an Iraq vet and I would identify myself Liberal to Moderate. I am guess I am the oxymoron in the room. TBH, the thing that bothers me about Kyle (even before the movie) is his bravado about killing. Granted I am comparing him to my DH who has never mentioned how many folks he killed and would get downright insulted if you asked him. He took no pride in it and towards the end of his deployment realized that the enemies were men sent by their leaders to fight for an ideal. My DH does not glorify his time in Iraq and would not allow anyone else to fawn over him because of it. He did what he was ordered to do.

Um, Kyle didn't glorify himself. The troops around him named him the legend, the military and government awarded him. He was asked to speak multiple times. He was gunned down helping another Vet. It went to national news more after he died than before. The book sales went to soldier's families he wasn't able to save.

But yeah, compare him to your husband and Kyle does sound horrible.

Actually he did...I have seen him speak. But that's fine. You have the right to glorify him just like I have the right not to. I know many military folks, including my DH, so luckily for me I have many other vets to admire. Carry on though.

He should feel good about what he did - he saved American lives. The type terrorists he killed didn't hesitate to murder innocents in Paris recently. Have you already forgotten to be Charlie?

PP here. Nothing wrong with feeling good about doing your duty and serving your country. But you know that is not what we are talking about. TBH, a lot of military folks do not believe in glorfying the killing that they did in performing their duties. Many of them have mental and emotional problems now because they had to take lives over there. But like I said, different strokes. I know many people who were just as "heroic" as Kyle was but they are not writing books about it or travelling the country speaking. But whatever, I enjoyed the movie.

I know a lot of people like MLK that fought hard for Civil Rights but they don't have a national holiday or their name in history books, a memorial monument, or books written about them. So does that not make it fair? Should we take all of those away because other people also fought for civil rights?

And Chris had PTSD. It wasn't like he came back and was a-okay and glorifying what he did. He suffered. He did not like the attention. A memoir is writing from your soul, to try and get rid of his demons. You can say "I know one soldier and he would never mention a killing to anyone." Well he wasn't the sniper everyone knew about. People wanted to hear his stories and even if you don't agree or appreciate them all, it takes a lot to do that.

Well I am not the one who is comparing him to MLK and I think that comparison is a little silly so I do not really know how to respond to that. Right or wrong, MLK has become a proxy for all of those who fought in the CRM, just like the WWII Memorial and the Vietnam Memorials represent all of the soldiers who fought in those wars. But like I said, it is pretty silly to compare them and I think the person who first tried to bring in Selma was trying to race bait.

Listen, I appreciate his service and I understand his PTSD issues and what it does to a person firsthand. If people think that Kyle is important because he can bring awareness to PTSD, the challenges of the returning soldier, and the various issues that they and their families face during and after deployment - I am all for that. If people think he is important becuase he killed a bunch of the enemy, that is not something I think is appropriate. It took me a few posts, but I hope I was able to better articulate what I meant.

So you don't think Patton was important? Petreus? The only reason we talk about/remember them is they killed a bunch of the enemy.

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I mean seriously. Its INAPPROPRIATE now to remember or admire people who were successful.in wartime? So strike baron von Steuben from the monuments? Bump George Washington down a notch??

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I saw both Selma and American Sniper and I enjoyed them BOTH. I think it is stupid to compare the two and I certainly would not criticize anyone for seeing one over the other. Frankly, I would hope that people would see both - they represent different experiences about being American. It is annoying that folks are always drawing these dumbass ideological lnes in the sand.

Interestingly enough, I am the DW of an Iraq vet and I would identify myself Liberal to Moderate. I am guess I am the oxymoron in the room. TBH, the thing that bothers me about Kyle (even before the movie) is his bravado about killing. Granted I am comparing him to my DH who has never mentioned how many folks he killed and would get downright insulted if you asked him. He took no pride in it and towards the end of his deployment realized that the enemies were men sent by their leaders to fight for an ideal. My DH does not glorify his time in Iraq and would not allow anyone else to fawn over him because of it. He did what he was ordered to do.

Um, Kyle didn't glorify himself. The troops around him named him the legend, the military and government awarded him. He was asked to speak multiple times. He was gunned down helping another Vet. It went to national news more after he died than before. The book sales went to soldier's families he wasn't able to save.

But yeah, compare him to your husband and Kyle does sound horrible.

Actually he did...I have seen him speak. But that's fine. You have the right to glorify him just like I have the right not to. I know many military folks, including my DH, so luckily for me I have many other vets to admire. Carry on though.

He should feel good about what he did - he saved American lives. The type terrorists he killed didn't hesitate to murder innocents in Paris recently. Have you already forgotten to be Charlie?

PP here. Nothing wrong with feeling good about doing your duty and serving your country. But you know that is not what we are talking about. TBH, a lot of military folks do not believe in glorfying the killing that they did in performing their duties. Many of them have mental and emotional problems now because they had to take lives over there. But like I said, different strokes. I know many people who were just as "heroic" as Kyle was but they are not writing books about it or travelling the country speaking. But whatever, I enjoyed the movie.

I know a lot of people like MLK that fought hard for Civil Rights but they don't have a national holiday or their name in history books, a memorial monument, or books written about them. So does that not make it fair? Should we take all of those away because other people also fought for civil rights?

And Chris had PTSD. It wasn't like he came back and was a-okay and glorifying what he did. He suffered. He did not like the attention. A memoir is writing from your soul, to try and get rid of his demons. You can say "I know one soldier and he would never mention a killing to anyone." Well he wasn't the sniper everyone knew about. People wanted to hear his stories and even if you don't agree or appreciate them all, it takes a lot to do that.

Well I am not the one who is comparing him to MLK and I think that comparison is a little silly so I do not really know how to respond to that. Right or wrong, MLK has become a proxy for all of those who fought in the CRM, just like the WWII Memorial and the Vietnam Memorials represent all of the soldiers who fought in those wars. But like I said, it is pretty silly to compare them and I think the person who first tried to bring in Selma was trying to race bait.

Listen, I appreciate his service and I understand his PTSD issues and what it does to a person firsthand. If people think that Kyle is important because he can bring awareness to PTSD, the challenges of the returning soldier, and the various issues that they and their families face during and after deployment - I am all for that. If people think he is important becuase he killed a bunch of the enemy, that is not something I think is appropriate. It took me a few posts, but I hope I was able to better articulate what I meant.

So you don't think Patton was important? Petreus? The only reason we talk about/remember them is they killed a bunch of the enemy.

PP here. I just think that you arguing to argue. I expressed my personal opinion. Take it or leave. You expressed yours. But it makes no sense to debate about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Well, I saw both Selma and American Sniper and I enjoyed them BOTH. I think it is stupid to compare the two and I certainly would not criticize anyone for seeing one over the other. Frankly, I would hope that people would see both - they represent different experiences about being American. It is annoying that folks are always drawing these dumbass ideological lnes in the sand.

Interestingly enough, I am the DW of an Iraq vet and I would identify myself Liberal to Moderate. I am guess I am the oxymoron in the room. TBH, the thing that bothers me about Kyle (even before the movie) is his bravado about killing. Granted I am comparing him to my DH who has never mentioned how many folks he killed and would get downright insulted if you asked him. He took no pride in it and towards the end of his deployment realized that the enemies were men sent by their leaders to fight for an ideal. My DH does not glorify his time in Iraq and would not allow anyone else to fawn over him because of it. He did what he was ordered to do.

Um, Kyle didn't glorify himself. The troops around him named him the legend, the military and government awarded him. He was asked to speak multiple times. He was gunned down helping another Vet. It went to national news more after he died than before. The book sales went to soldier's families he wasn't able to save.

But yeah, compare him to your husband and Kyle does sound horrible.

Actually he did...I have seen him speak. But that's fine. You have the right to glorify him just like I have the right not to. I know many military folks, including my DH, so luckily for me I have many other vets to admire. Carry on though.

He should feel good about what he did - he saved American lives. The type terrorists he killed didn't hesitate to murder innocents in Paris recently. Have you already forgotten to be Charlie?

PP here. Nothing wrong with feeling good about doing your duty and serving your country. But you know that is not what we are talking about. TBH, a lot of military folks do not believe in glorfying the killing that they did in performing their duties. Many of them have mental and emotional problems now because they had to take lives over there. But like I said, different strokes. I know many people who were just as "heroic" as Kyle was but they are not writing books about it or travelling the country speaking. But whatever, I enjoyed the movie.

I know a lot of people like MLK that fought hard for Civil Rights but they don't have a national holiday or their name in history books, a memorial monument, or books written about them. So does that not make it fair? Should we take all of those away because other people also fought for civil rights?

And Chris had PTSD. It wasn't like he came back and was a-okay and glorifying what he did. He suffered. He did not like the attention. A memoir is writing from your soul, to try and get rid of his demons. You can say "I know one soldier and he would never mention a killing to anyone." Well he wasn't the sniper everyone knew about. People wanted to hear his stories and even if you don't agree or appreciate them all, it takes a lot to do that.

Well I am not the one who is comparing him to MLK and I think that comparison is a little silly so I do not really know how to respond to that. Right or wrong, MLK has become a proxy for all of those who fought in the CRM, just like the WWII Memorial and the Vietnam Memorials represent all of the soldiers who fought in those wars. But like I said, it is pretty silly to compare them and I think the person who first tried to bring in Selma was trying to race bait.

Listen, I appreciate his service and I understand his PTSD issues and what it does to a person firsthand. If people think that Kyle is important because he can bring awareness to PTSD, the challenges of the returning soldier, and the various issues that they and their families face during and after deployment - I am all for that. If people think he is important becuase he killed a bunch of the enemy, that is not something I think is appropriate. It took me a few posts, but I hope I was able to better articulate what I meant.

Okay, I can live with that. I get it. I don't think people are really looking at how many he killed as much as they look at how many American Soldier's lives he saved. That is why he is a hero to me, through all of his faults. He wasn't perfect but he sure helped his brothers out when they needed him.

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Anonymous wrote:Some folks all pissed that American Sniper cleaned up at the box office this weekend and that we didn't all dutifully troop into the theatres to watch Selma like we were supposed to.

MLK was a real hero, who affected real change. Chris Kyle won't warrant a mention in the history books. Comparing the two pretty much highlights everything wrong with America these days.

+1

Since we are 13 years into world war 3, Chris Kyle is more relevant today.

This is not world war iii, anymore than Ebola was the end of America. Conservatives are a panicky bunch.

MLK is clearly more relevant. He changed our entire society. If you can't admit that, you are seriously racist.

Whoa, whoa!! Not the PP and I don't agree with him/her but you are saying if someone chooses to think someone is more relevant than MLK, that they are RACIST? Can the liberals please stop using the race card for every ridiculous retort. Please come up with something better.

This is precisely why Selma is Not doing well at the box office. People are sick of the race card.

By the way? No federal charges in Ferguson. Hope Soros spends another 25 mil or so trying to rile the progressive troops. After all, it worked so well this time

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I mean seriously. Its INAPPROPRIATE now to remember or admire people who were successful.in wartime? So strike baron von Steuben from the monuments? Bump George Washington down a notch??

It is pure penis envy on the liberal side. Just ignore

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Some folks all pissed that American Sniper cleaned up at the box office this weekend and that we didn't all dutifully troop into the theatres to watch Selma like we were supposed to.

MLK was a real hero, who affected real change. Chris Kyle won't warrant a mention in the history books. Comparing the two pretty much highlights everything wrong with America these days.

+1

Since we are 13 years into world war 3, Chris Kyle is more relevant today.

This is not world war iii, anymore than Ebola was the end of America. Conservatives are a panicky bunch.

MLK is clearly more relevant. He changed our entire society. If you can't admit that, you are seriously racist.

Yes we are. You'll see. And when you get it you will be sad.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean seriously. Its INAPPROPRIATE now to remember or admire people who were successful.in wartime? So strike baron von Steuben from the monuments? Bump George Washington down a notch??

It is pure penis envy on the liberal side. Just ignore

Actually this PP was talking to me - a military spouse whose DH did 2 tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. In order to get context of what I ACTUALLY said, you should read the post she is responding to.

As an aside, it kind of sucks that folks turn everything into a Lib/Con or a Black/White discussion. All it does is dumb down whatever discussion we are having.

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Anonymous wrote:Some folks all pissed that American Sniper cleaned up at the box office this weekend and that we didn't all dutifully troop into the theatres to watch Selma like we were supposed to.

MLK was a real hero, who affected real change. Chris Kyle won't warrant a mention in the history books. Comparing the two pretty much highlights everything wrong with America these days.

+1

Since we are 13 years into world war 3, Chris Kyle is more relevant today.

This is not world war iii, anymore than Ebola was the end of America. Conservatives are a panicky bunch.

MLK is clearly more relevant. He changed our entire society. If you can't admit that, you are seriously racist.

Yes we are. You'll see. And when you get it you will be sad.

Oh we'll rue the day. And we'll come crawling like sniveling little babies for the protection of a big strong man like you.

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No... But your opinion of a successful American sniper will be in context.

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Anonymous wrote:I mean seriously. Its INAPPROPRIATE now to remember or admire people who were successful.in wartime? So strike baron von Steuben from the monuments? Bump George Washington down a notch??

It is pure penis envy on the liberal side. Just ignore

Actually this PP was talking to me - a military spouse whose DH did 2 tours in Iraq and one in Afghanistan. In order to get context of what I ACTUALLY said, you should read the post she is responding to.

As an aside, it kind of sucks that folks turn everything into a Lib/Con or a Black/White discussion. All it does is dumb down whatever discussion we are having.

I tried to look but your post was not a quote - it was freestanding. Please lead me there.

I don't agree regarding party - I think it's very important to call out who's lying when.

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I think the Rolling Stone review said it best:

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/american-sniper-is-almost-too-dumb-to-criticize-20150121?page=2