American Sniper

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Anonymous wrote:People who don't get this film and who don't get Chris Kyle, fail to see that these American snipers look at their kills the way a surgeon looks at cancer - a disease to be rid of, cut out, so that lives are saved. Terrorists are a diseas and a cancer, and some men have the courage toshoot them dead. They don't feel any guilt or remorse or anything that an average person might feel.

People who don't get this film see the terrorists as the good guys. They truly believe we created them, so we should be empathetic.

We invaded Iraq and there was no link between 9/11 and Iraq. There were no weapons of mass destruction. How would you behave if your country was invaded? Would defending your soil be terrorism? Do you even think to ask these questions? Did the movie ask any of thee questions?

Soldiers are trained to protect the person standing to the left and to the right of them. They just protect themselves and each other, and hopefully minimal damage and casualties to the innocent in the country where they are fighting.

Why does this film have to dig into every political argument about why or how we were in Iraq?

There was remarkably little ranting in the movie. Where was the ranting? Thnx...

I think the movie needs to dig into the context of the Iraq war because Kyle operated in a context. That is not to say that individual soldiers do as they please, but there should be a thought process involved. You know, some reflection, particularly if you had the knowledge that you'd taken so many lives. How does one live with oneself otherwise? And maybe that's why Kyle worked with vets after his return and maybe that's what he had PTSD himself. I think that finding out about that personal struggle or lack thereof, would have made for a far better movie. As it is, it is revisionist history and one man's rant and it does a disservice particularly in a country where people pay so little attention to facts. Eastwood was much more honest in considering his subject in Grand Torino. It is the far superior movie.

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. The rant? Where is the rant in the movie? Dont recall any swelling.music, any rant - except "baby I'm ready to come home". Was that a rant to you?

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Anonymous wrote:People who don't get this film and who don't get Chris Kyle, fail to see that these American snipers look at their kills the way a surgeon looks at cancer - a disease to be rid of, cut out, so that lives are saved. Terrorists are a diseas and a cancer, and some men have the courage toshoot them dead. They don't feel any guilt or remorse or anything that an average person might feel.

People who don't get this film see the terrorists as the good guys. They truly believe we created them, so we should be empathetic.

We invaded Iraq and there was no link between 9/11 and Iraq. There were no weapons of mass destruction. How would you behave if your country was invaded? Would defending your soil be terrorism? Do you even think to ask these questions? Did the movie ask any of thee questions?

Does defending my soil include massacring satirists in Paris? How about school children? Throwing acid on women? Pushing gay people off buildings? Shooting teenage boys for watching a soccer match?

Nice folk, Al Qaeda and ISIS. How about you invite them over to have dinner with your wife and kids and express your empathy?

ISIS didn't exist until we invaded Iraq.

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Anonymous wrote:The movie showed why Kyle had PTSD, from watching his brothers in arms killed, or from watching the "savages" like The Butcher use torture on Iraqi kids. He didn't have PTSD from killing the bad guys.

Unfortunately the Butcher is not actually in his memoir. It appears to have been a plot device. That's what you get trying to reconstruct historical events from a Hollywood action film.

Is the movie a documentary or a biography? Does it claim to be? No it isn't and it doesn't. But if you don't think kids and women were used to kill others and be killed themselves, you are in denial.

That may be, but the pp said this is how he got PTSD. Do we just get to make up facts now?

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Anonymous wrote:The movie showed why Kyle had PTSD, from watching his brothers in arms killed, or from watching the "savages" like The Butcher use torture on Iraqi kids. He didn't have PTSD from killing the bad guys.

Unfortunately the Butcher is not actually in his memoir. It appears to have been a plot device. That's what you get trying to reconstruct historical events from a Hollywood action film.

Is the movie a documentary or a biography? Does it claim to be? No it isn't and it doesn't. But if you don't think kids and women were used to kill others and be killed themselves, you are in denial.

That may be, but the pp said this is how he got PTSD. Do we just get to make up facts now?

Kyle said that himself in interviews. PP did not make it up. Go on YouTube and watch him say it. Doesn't have to be the Butcher, who was symbolic for the terrorists who WERE torturing

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Anonymous wrote:The movie showed why Kyle had PTSD, from watching his brothers in arms killed, or from watching the "savages" like The Butcher use torture on Iraqi kids. He didn't have PTSD from killing the bad guys.

Unfortunately the Butcher is not actually in his memoir. It appears to have been a plot device. That's what you get trying to reconstruct historical events from a Hollywood action film.

Is the movie a documentary or a biography? Does it claim to be? No it isn't and it doesn't. But if you don't think kids and women were used to kill others and be killed themselves, you are in denial.

That may be, but the pp said this is how he got PTSD. Do we just get to make up facts now?

Kyle said that himself in interviews. PP did not make it up. Go on YouTube and watch him say it. Doesn't have to be the Butcher, who was symbolic for the terrorists who WERE torturing

I can't find that, so maybe you can post it.

In general, I think it odd that conservatives are deriving so much "truth" from the same "Hollyweird" that they disparage. To me, you are suckers because you can't separate entertainment from history.

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In general, I think it odd that conservatives are deriving so much "truth" from the same "Hollyweird" that they disparage. To me, you are suckers because you can't separate entertainment from history.

You mean like "Selma"?

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In general, I think it odd that conservatives are deriving so much "truth" from the same "Hollyweird" that they disparage. To me, you are suckers because you can't separate entertainment from history.

You mean like "Selma"?

I have yet to see the liberals on this forum discuss that film at any length. And most of the articles I have seen written about it take issue with the dramatic license taken by the director and screenwriters.

If you want to watch something substantial about the civil rights movement, rent Eyes on the Prize. That is a real documentary, with actual footage. I am not planning to watch Selma because I am not a sucker.

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its a movie

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Anonymous wrote:The movie showed why Kyle had PTSD, from watching his brothers in arms killed, or from watching the "savages" like The Butcher use torture on Iraqi kids. He didn't have PTSD from killing the bad guys.

Unfortunately the Butcher is not actually in his memoir. It appears to have been a plot device. That's what you get trying to reconstruct historical events from a Hollywood action film.

Is the movie a documentary or a biography? Does it claim to be? No it isn't and it doesn't. But if you don't think kids and women were used to kill others and be killed themselves, you are in denial.

That may be, but the pp said this is how he got PTSD. Do we just get to make up facts now?

Kyle said that himself in interviews. PP did not make it up. Go on YouTube and watch him say it. Doesn't have to be the Butcher, who was symbolic for the terrorists who WERE torturing

I can't find that, so maybe you can post it.

In general, I think it odd that conservatives are deriving so much "truth" from the same "Hollyweird" that they disparage. To me, you are suckers because you can't separate entertainment from history.

Start with O'Relly's interview. Move from there

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Anonymous wrote:The movie showed why Kyle had PTSD, from watching his brothers in arms killed, or from watching the "savages" like The Butcher use torture on Iraqi kids. He didn't have PTSD from killing the bad guys.

Unfortunately the Butcher is not actually in his memoir. It appears to have been a plot device. That's what you get trying to reconstruct historical events from a Hollywood action film.

Is the movie a documentary or a biography? Does it claim to be? No it isn't and it doesn't. But if you don't think kids and women were used to kill others and be killed themselves, you are in denial.

That may be, but the pp said this is how he got PTSD. Do we just get to make up facts now?

Kyle said that himself in interviews. PP did not make it up. Go on YouTube and watch him say it. Doesn't have to be the Butcher, who was symbolic for the terrorists who WERE torturing

I can't find that, so maybe you can post it.

In general, I think it odd that conservatives are deriving so much "truth" from the same "Hollyweird" that they disparage. To me, you are suckers because you can't separate entertainment from history.

Start with O'Relly's interview. Move from there

Ok so I did, and surprise surprise it does not support your statement.

O'REILLY: You don't have posttraumatic stress or anything like that that you killed so many human beings? That doesn't come back at you?

KYLE: None of my problems come from the people I've killed.

O'REILLY: It's very fascinating. And that's why I want people to read your book, because I think if they do, if they read your book, Chief, "American Sniper," they'll understand what war is really about. 'Cause I think too many of us don't understand what war is really about.

KYLE: I mean, war is hell. It's definitely -- Hollywood fantasizes about it and makes it look good. It's -- war sucks.

O'REILLY: But they need guys like to you win.

KYLE: Definitely, you have to get in the mentality and you have to not think of them as a human being. You have to portray them as -- that's why I put savages.

O'REILLY: Savages.

KYLE: Definitely.

O'REILLY: Right. All right, chief. Thanks very much. We appreciate you coming on in.

KYLE: Thank you for having me.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

The only thing he said about his PTSD is that it did not come from guilt over killing bad guys. Clearly he did not want to say what caused his ptsd.

Also he pointed out the problem of believing a Hollywood account of war, as you can see above. Which explains why the movie does not line up with his book.

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evil is hard to define. What name to 'call' nazi prison guards? Josef mengele? Do we dehumanize the enemy or do they dehumanize us? But to tell soldiers they cannot name the enemy in a way that helps them.make sense in the heat of conflict? PC run amok. Thought.police.

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Anonymous wrote:The movie showed why Kyle had PTSD, from watching his brothers in arms killed, or from watching the "savages" like The Butcher use torture on Iraqi kids. He didn't have PTSD from killing the bad guys.

Unfortunately the Butcher is not actually in his memoir. It appears to have been a plot device. That's what you get trying to reconstruct historical events from a Hollywood action film.

Is the movie a documentary or a biography? Does it claim to be? No it isn't and it doesn't. But if you don't think kids and women were used to kill others and be killed themselves, you are in denial.

That may be, but the pp said this is how he got PTSD. Do we just get to make up facts now?

Kyle said that himself in interviews. PP did not make it up. Go on YouTube and watch him say it. Doesn't have to be the Butcher, who was symbolic for the terrorists who WERE torturing

I can't find that, so maybe you can post it.

In general, I think it odd that conservatives are deriving so much "truth" from the same "Hollyweird" that they disparage. To me, you are suckers because you can't separate entertainment from history.

Start with O'Relly's interview. Move from there

Ok so I did, and surprise surprise it does not support your statement.

O'REILLY: You don't have posttraumatic stress or anything like that that you killed so many human beings? That doesn't come back at you?

KYLE: None of my problems come from the people I've killed.

O'REILLY: It's very fascinating. And that's why I want people to read your book, because I think if they do, if they read your book, Chief, "American Sniper," they'll understand what war is really about. 'Cause I think too many of us don't understand what war is really about.

KYLE: I mean, war is hell. It's definitely -- Hollywood fantasizes about it and makes it look good. It's -- war sucks.

O'REILLY: But they need guys like to you win.

KYLE: Definitely, you have to get in the mentality and you have to not think of them as a human being. You have to portray them as -- that's why I put savages.

O'REILLY: Savages.

KYLE: Definitely.

O'REILLY: Right. All right, chief. Thanks very much. We appreciate you coming on in.

KYLE: Thank you for having me.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

The only thing he said about his PTSD is that it did not come from guilt over killing bad guys. Clearly he did not want to say what caused his ptsd.

Also he pointed out the problem of believing a Hollywood account of war, as you can see above. Which explains why the movie does not line up with his book.

Keep looking. He very soecifically said it.

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Anonymous wrote:The movie showed why Kyle had PTSD, from watching his brothers in arms killed, or from watching the "savages" like The Butcher use torture on Iraqi kids. He didn't have PTSD from killing the bad guys.

Unfortunately the Butcher is not actually in his memoir. It appears to have been a plot device. That's what you get trying to reconstruct historical events from a Hollywood action film.

Is the movie a documentary or a biography? Does it claim to be? No it isn't and it doesn't. But if you don't think kids and women were used to kill others and be killed themselves, you are in denial.

That may be, but the pp said this is how he got PTSD. Do we just get to make up facts now?

Kyle said that himself in interviews. PP did not make it up. Go on YouTube and watch him say it. Doesn't have to be the Butcher, who was symbolic for the terrorists who WERE torturing

I can't find that, so maybe you can post it.

In general, I think it odd that conservatives are deriving so much "truth" from the same "Hollyweird" that they disparage. To me, you are suckers because you can't separate entertainment from history.

Start with O'Relly's interview. Move from there

Ok so I did, and surprise surprise it does not support your statement.

O'REILLY: You don't have posttraumatic stress or anything like that that you killed so many human beings? That doesn't come back at you?

KYLE: None of my problems come from the people I've killed.

O'REILLY: It's very fascinating. And that's why I want people to read your book, because I think if they do, if they read your book, Chief, "American Sniper," they'll understand what war is really about. 'Cause I think too many of us don't understand what war is really about.

KYLE: I mean, war is hell. It's definitely -- Hollywood fantasizes about it and makes it look good. It's -- war sucks.

O'REILLY: But they need guys like to you win.

KYLE: Definitely, you have to get in the mentality and you have to not think of them as a human being. You have to portray them as -- that's why I put savages.

O'REILLY: Savages.

KYLE: Definitely.

O'REILLY: Right. All right, chief. Thanks very much. We appreciate you coming on in.

KYLE: Thank you for having me.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

The only thing he said about his PTSD is that it did not come from guilt over killing bad guys. Clearly he did not want to say what caused his ptsd.

Also he pointed out the problem of believing a Hollywood account of war, as you can see above. Which explains why the movie does not line up with his book.

Keep looking. He very soecifically said it.

Sorry but I read the printed transcript of the interview. You are imagining things. I quoted it directly. You are wrong.

[Anonymous]

An article by another sniper that shows a different perspective on the war. This article was recommended to me by a Marine Lt.Colonel friend, who has served twice in Afghanistan and once in Iraq.

http://www.salon.com/2015/02/01/i_was_an_american_sniper_and_chris_kyle’s_war_was_not_my_war/