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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Well, I saw both Selma and American Sniper and I enjoyed them BOTH.  I think it is stupid to compare the two and I certainly would not criticize anyone for seeing one over the other.  Frankly, I would hope that people would see both - they represent different experiences about being American.  It is annoying that folks are always drawing these dumbass ideological lnes in the sand.

Interestingly enough, I am the DW of an Iraq vet and I would identify myself Liberal to Moderate.  I am guess I am the oxymoron in the room. TBH, the thing that bothers me about Kyle (even before the movie) is his bravado about killing.  Granted I am comparing him to my DH who has never mentioned how many folks he killed and would get downright insulted if you asked him.  He took no pride in it and towards the end of his deployment realized that the enemies were men sent by their leaders to fight for an ideal.  My DH does not glorify his time in Iraq and would not allow anyone else to fawn over him because of it.  He did what he was ordered to do.  [/quote]

Um, Kyle didn't glorify himself.  The troops around him named him the legend, the military and government awarded him.  He was asked to speak multiple times.   He was gunned down helping another Vet. It went to national news more after he died than before. The book sales went to soldier's families he wasn't able to save.

But yeah, compare him to your husband and Kyle does sound horrible.   :roll:

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Actually he did...I have seen him speak.  But that's fine.  You have the right to glorify him just like I have the right not to.  I know many military folks, including my DH, so luckily for me I have many other vets to admire. Carry on though. [/quote]

He should feel good about what he did - he saved American lives. The type terrorists he killed didn't hesitate to murder innocents in Paris recently. Have you already forgotten to be Charlie?[/quote]

PP here.  Nothing wrong with feeling good about doing your duty and serving your country.  But you know that is not what we are talking about.  TBH, a lot of military folks do not believe in glorfying the killing that they did in performing their duties.   Many of them have mental and emotional problems now because they had to take lives over there.  But like I said,  different strokes.  I know many people who were just as "heroic" as Kyle was but they are not writing books about it or travelling the country speaking.  But whatever, I enjoyed the movie.   [/quote]

I know a lot of people like MLK that fought hard for Civil Rights but they don't have a national holiday or their name in history books, a memorial monument,  or books written about them.  So does that not make it fair?  Should we take all of those away because other people also fought for civil rights?

And Chris had PTSD.  It wasn't like he came back and was a-okay and glorifying what he did.  He suffered.  He did not like the attention.  A memoir is writing from your soul, to try and get rid of his demons.  You can say "I know one soldier and he would never mention a killing to anyone."  Well he wasn't the sniper everyone knew about.  People wanted to hear his stories and even if you don't agree or appreciate them all, it takes a lot to do that.    [/quote]

Well I am not the one who is comparing him to MLK and I think that comparison is a little silly so I do not really know how to respond to that.  Right or wrong, MLK has become a proxy for all of those who fought in the CRM, just like the WWII Memorial and the Vietnam Memorials represent all of the soldiers who fought in those wars. But like I said, it is pretty silly to compare them and I think the person who first tried to bring in Selma was trying to race bait.

Listen, I appreciate his service and I understand his PTSD issues and what it does to a person firsthand.   If people think that Kyle is important because he can bring awareness to PTSD, the challenges of the returning soldier, and the various issues that they and their families face during and after deployment - [b]I am all for that[/b].  If people think he is important becuase he killed a bunch of the enemy, that is not something I think is appropriate.  It took me a few posts, but I hope I was able to better articulate what I meant. [/quote]

So you don't think Patton was important? Petreus? The only reason we talk about/remember them is they killed a bunch of the enemy.[/quote]

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