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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the most hated school in the county for racist reasons…we don’t have the levels of other W schools yet our average SAT results and MCAP pass rates are higher. We are a majority minority school where most parents are immigrants to this country. Unfortunately we have the wrong kind of minority that woke justice warriors like to dump on. Every other thread is about Wootton. It’s insane. Yes, we don’t fit your crazed racial narratives. We are sorry for having a student body of capable kids.

Wootton parents are complaining about the facilities and want immediate action. Due to the wasteful spending with no accountability or transparency, there is NO money to repair or replace the failing schools, and Wootton is not alone; they are just the ones making the biggest fuss. So, MCPS came up with a solution to give them Crown. That's not an unreasonable solution.

Instead of spending tens of millions on the unpopular regions model, MCPS should do option 1 (Strengthen local schools—add programs the students at that school want, not add every single program) and fix schools like Sherwood and Wootton.

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Thank you for advocating for MCPS and its management! Surely they will appreciate it.

For those who complains, it is a hard job to do. If you don’t like it, come and be on the BOE. The current members can just move on to their next position, like Shebra Evans, at-large council member, and Julie Yang, running for county council.

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Yet we are here complaining about other families for not wanting to swallow the mess created by MCPS and BOE.

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It’s more of a segregation of how people value, or believe in the value of, education. Paying a premium to buy into a reputable school cluster is to be with those who are willing to sacrifice in order to provide their children better education.

Judging from the cars in outside the high schools in this area, Wootton cluster is economically more diverse than many.

Sadly, Wootton families can be the perfect scapegoat for MCPS’ failures.

In most public schools, it’s not the school that makes the students good. It’s the students and the families that make the school good.

But, just like in the previous post, MCPS (and BOE, and many other officials) takes the credit when there is a success and blame the people for failures.

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the most hated school in the county for racist reasons…we don’t have the levels of other W schools yet our average SAT results and MCAP pass rates are higher. We are a majority minority school where most parents are immigrants to this country. Unfortunately we have the wrong kind of minority that woke justice warriors like to dump on. Every other thread is about Wootton. It’s insane. Yes, we don’t fit your crazed racial narratives. We are sorry for having a student body of capable kids.

Wootton parents are complaining about the facilities and want immediate action. Due to the wasteful spending with no accountability or transparency, there is NO money to repair or replace the failing schools, and Wootton is not alone; they are just the ones making the biggest fuss. So, MCPS came up with a solution to give them Crown. That's not an unreasonable solution.

Wootton families get penalized by MCPS poor planning and wasteful spending?

Wootton families made poor decisions paying premiums for economic segregation. Literally they paid too much for houses, to be next to other people who paid too much for their houses. I had the option to buy out that way, but at the time. A) they were planning on building a new school, this has been in the works for over 13 years. B) I couldn't rationalize buying a small dump of a house when I could get 4000+ sq foot home somewhere else.

I don't know what to tell you. I pay the same taxes as everyone else, why am I penalized with a school you choose to "pooh-pooh"?

From my perspective Wootton families are the problem and why MCPS isn't better for everyone. MCPS keeps hanging their hat on the three good schools they have but there are a dozen under performing schools and an absurd lottery system.

I don't think people are blaming Wootton families for the condition of Wootton. Obviously, that's 100% MCPS fault.

But, Wootton families who are complaining about getting a brand new school if it means the HS kids have to take a short bus ride are being a bit whiny.

Yes, MCPS decision making sucks. That's not new. But, here we are. Revenues are down; enrollment is down. We have a brand new HS. The most logical decision now is to move Wootton to Crown.

It’s sickening to see them saying MCPS is just being MCPS and you should just shut up and swallow whatever MCPS gives you.

You can complain, but at the end of the day, the most logical choice is to close Wootton for now. MoCo doesn't have the budget to fix all of the crumbling schools and open a brand new school even as enrollments are declining.

I highly recommend you run for the BOE or County Council. I'd love to see some new management.

I advocated for the people complaining to run for BOE or CC. How is that advocating for the CURRENT BOE/CC?

MCPS has been a mess for a while. We need new management. Seems like the people who complain the most have the most to gain from running for office.

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the most hated school in the county for racist reasons…we don’t have the levels of other W schools yet our average SAT results and MCAP pass rates are higher. We are a majority minority school where most parents are immigrants to this country. Unfortunately we have the wrong kind of minority that woke justice warriors like to dump on. Every other thread is about Wootton. It’s insane. Yes, we don’t fit your crazed racial narratives. We are sorry for having a student body of capable kids.

Wootton parents are complaining about the facilities and want immediate action. Due to the wasteful spending with no accountability or transparency, there is NO money to repair or replace the failing schools, and Wootton is not alone; they are just the ones making the biggest fuss. So, MCPS came up with a solution to give them Crown. That's not an unreasonable solution.

Wootton families get penalized by MCPS poor planning and wasteful spending?

Do you not understand how many schools are in the same condition but the difference is you are being offered a brand new school nearby! Plus, your kids get access to so many more courses, clubs and activities while ours get the absolute minimum. I’d take that new school over our mold infested one.

Some wootton families dont want a new school. They want to stay where they are, and asking for a renovation of school. MCPS planned poorly with the budget, spending millions of dollars on a new school, and now they are saying they dont have enough enrollment, so Wootton has to go?

The county is losing $800+ million in revenue over the next 6 years, enrollment is declining, and there is a brand new $300 million dollar high school 2.5 miles from one that needs to be torn down. In what universe do we build an additional $300 million dollar school under these circumstances?

Was it bad planning? Yes. Was it preventable? Yes. But this is where we are today and dragging the county into more bonding when debt service is already a huge chunk of the budget is not the solution. Nor is raising income tax or property tax unless you want middle-class and upper-middle class homeowners to revolt.

It’s not ideal but it’s the best of a bunch of bad options and personally, it’s the first time I can recall MCPS actually proposing something practical rather than aspirational since the Great Recession.

I don’t disagree that the county faces major fiscal pressure — but that’s exactly why we need better planning, not short-term fixes that create bigger long-term problems. Moving an entire cluster into Crown is not a cost-saving plan; it’s a way of avoiding the consequences of past planning mistakes, and it doesn’t actually eliminate the need to rebuild Wootton. The building will not magically fix itself simply because its students are reassigned. Whether Wootton is occupied or not, MCPS will still eventually have to address a failing facility, and pushing that cost down the road does not make it go away.

The point is.. MCPS doesn't really need another HS due to falling enrollment. There will be a brand new HS. The best use of it is to close the neighboring crumbling HS and move the students to the new HS.

But, yes, MCPS is a hot mess and needs better CIP planning. But, the two things are not mutually exclusive. IMO, making Crown into Wootton 2.0 is good CIP planning.

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the most hated school in the county for racist reasons…we don’t have the levels of other W schools yet our average SAT results and MCAP pass rates are higher. We are a majority minority school where most parents are immigrants to this country. Unfortunately we have the wrong kind of minority that woke justice warriors like to dump on. Every other thread is about Wootton. It’s insane. Yes, we don’t fit your crazed racial narratives. We are sorry for having a student body of capable kids.

Wootton parents are complaining about the facilities and want immediate action. Due to the wasteful spending with no accountability or transparency, there is NO money to repair or replace the failing schools, and Wootton is not alone; they are just the ones making the biggest fuss. So, MCPS came up with a solution to give them Crown. That's not an unreasonable solution.

Wootton families get penalized by MCPS poor planning and wasteful spending?

Do you not understand how many schools are in the same condition but the difference is you are being offered a brand new school nearby! Plus, your kids get access to so many more courses, clubs and activities while ours get the absolute minimum. I’d take that new school over our mold infested one.

Some wootton families dont want a new school. They want to stay where they are, and asking for a renovation of school. MCPS planned poorly with the budget, spending millions of dollars on a new school, and now they are saying they dont have enough enrollment, so Wootton has to go?

The county is losing $800+ million in revenue over the next 6 years, enrollment is declining, and there is a brand new $300 million dollar high school 2.5 miles from one that needs to be torn down. In what universe do we build an additional $300 million dollar school under these circumstances?

Was it bad planning? Yes. Was it preventable? Yes. But this is where we are today and dragging the county into more bonding when debt service is already a huge chunk of the budget is not the solution. Nor is raising income tax or property tax unless you want middle-class and upper-middle class homeowners to revolt.

It’s not ideal but it’s the best of a bunch of bad options and personally, it’s the first time I can recall MCPS actually proposing something practical rather than aspirational since the Great Recession.

I don’t disagree that the county faces major fiscal pressure — but that’s exactly why we need better planning, not short-term fixes that create bigger long-term problems. Moving an entire cluster into Crown is not a cost-saving plan; it’s a way of avoiding the consequences of past planning mistakes, and it doesn’t actually eliminate the need to rebuild Wootton. The building will not magically fix itself simply because its students are reassigned. Whether Wootton is occupied or not, MCPS will still eventually have to address a failing facility, and pushing that cost down the road does not make it go away.

The point is.. MCPS doesn't really need another HS due to falling enrollment. There will be a brand new HS. The best use of it is to close the neighboring crumbling HS and move the students to the new HS.

But, yes, MCPS is a hot mess and needs better CIP planning. But, the two things are not mutually exclusive. IMO, making Crown into Wootton 2.0 is good CIP planning.

Nope my kid can walk home from wootton or take a city bus they can not from crown nope nope nope

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the most hated school in the county for racist reasons…we don’t have the levels of other W schools yet our average SAT results and MCAP pass rates are higher. We are a majority minority school where most parents are immigrants to this country. Unfortunately we have the wrong kind of minority that woke justice warriors like to dump on. Every other thread is about Wootton. It’s insane. Yes, we don’t fit your crazed racial narratives. We are sorry for having a student body of capable kids.

Wootton parents are complaining about the facilities and want immediate action. Due to the wasteful spending with no accountability or transparency, there is NO money to repair or replace the failing schools, and Wootton is not alone; they are just the ones making the biggest fuss. So, MCPS came up with a solution to give them Crown. That's not an unreasonable solution.

Wootton families get penalized by MCPS poor planning and wasteful spending?

Do you not understand how many schools are in the same condition but the difference is you are being offered a brand new school nearby! Plus, your kids get access to so many more courses, clubs and activities while ours get the absolute minimum. I’d take that new school over our mold infested one.

Some wootton families dont want a new school. They want to stay where they are, and asking for a renovation of school. MCPS planned poorly with the budget, spending millions of dollars on a new school, and now they are saying they dont have enough enrollment, so Wootton has to go?

The county is losing $800+ million in revenue over the next 6 years, enrollment is declining, and there is a brand new $300 million dollar high school 2.5 miles from one that needs to be torn down. In what universe do we build an additional $300 million dollar school under these circumstances?

Was it bad planning? Yes. Was it preventable? Yes. But this is where we are today and dragging the county into more bonding when debt service is already a huge chunk of the budget is not the solution. Nor is raising income tax or property tax unless you want middle-class and upper-middle class homeowners to revolt.

It’s not ideal but it’s the best of a bunch of bad options and personally, it’s the first time I can recall MCPS actually proposing something practical rather than aspirational since the Great Recession.

I don't believe it was bad planning, but rather intentional neglect. Wootton could have been renovated over the past 10+ years - and parents have loudly complained about MCPS' failure to do so. Moving students from Wootton to another school was always the plan (hence numerous boundary studies over the years). MCPS achieved indirectly what it wanted to do directly.

Oh, so now you are saying that MCPS' plan 10+ years ago was to close down Wootton and move them to Crown, and the wasted millions on a boundary study just for show?

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the most hated school in the county for racist reasons…we don’t have the levels of other W schools yet our average SAT results and MCAP pass rates are higher. We are a majority minority school where most parents are immigrants to this country. Unfortunately we have the wrong kind of minority that woke justice warriors like to dump on. Every other thread is about Wootton. It’s insane. Yes, we don’t fit your crazed racial narratives. We are sorry for having a student body of capable kids.

Wootton parents are complaining about the facilities and want immediate action. Due to the wasteful spending with no accountability or transparency, there is NO money to repair or replace the failing schools, and Wootton is not alone; they are just the ones making the biggest fuss. So, MCPS came up with a solution to give them Crown. That's not an unreasonable solution.

Wootton families get penalized by MCPS poor planning and wasteful spending?

Do you not understand how many schools are in the same condition but the difference is you are being offered a brand new school nearby! Plus, your kids get access to so many more courses, clubs and activities while ours get the absolute minimum. I’d take that new school over our mold infested one.

Some wootton families dont want a new school. They want to stay where they are, and asking for a renovation of school. MCPS planned poorly with the budget, spending millions of dollars on a new school, and now they are saying they dont have enough enrollment, so Wootton has to go?

The county is losing $800+ million in revenue over the next 6 years, enrollment is declining, and there is a brand new $300 million dollar high school 2.5 miles from one that needs to be torn down. In what universe do we build an additional $300 million dollar school under these circumstances?

Was it bad planning? Yes. Was it preventable? Yes. But this is where we are today and dragging the county into more bonding when debt service is already a huge chunk of the budget is not the solution. Nor is raising income tax or property tax unless you want middle-class and upper-middle class homeowners to revolt.

It’s not ideal but it’s the best of a bunch of bad options and personally, it’s the first time I can recall MCPS actually proposing something practical rather than aspirational since the Great Recession.

I don’t disagree that the county faces major fiscal pressure — but that’s exactly why we need better planning, not short-term fixes that create bigger long-term problems. Moving an entire cluster into Crown is not a cost-saving plan; it’s a way of avoiding the consequences of past planning mistakes, and it doesn’t actually eliminate the need to rebuild Wootton. The building will not magically fix itself simply because its students are reassigned. Whether Wootton is occupied or not, MCPS will still eventually have to address a failing facility, and pushing that cost down the road does not make it go away.

The point is.. MCPS doesn't really need another HS due to falling enrollment. There will be a brand new HS. The best use of it is to close the neighboring crumbling HS and move the students to the new HS.

But, yes, MCPS is a hot mess and needs better CIP planning. But, the two things are not mutually exclusive. IMO, making Crown into Wootton 2.0 is good CIP planning.

Nope my kid can walk home from wootton or take a city bus they can not from crown nope nope nope

Your kid can actually take the bus home. There are many current Wootton students who currently do just that.

And if there is no city bus from Crown to Wootton now, I bet they can create a route.

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the most hated school in the county for racist reasons…we don’t have the levels of other W schools yet our average SAT results and MCAP pass rates are higher. We are a majority minority school where most parents are immigrants to this country. Unfortunately we have the wrong kind of minority that woke justice warriors like to dump on. Every other thread is about Wootton. It’s insane. Yes, we don’t fit your crazed racial narratives. We are sorry for having a student body of capable kids.

Wootton parents are complaining about the facilities and want immediate action. Due to the wasteful spending with no accountability or transparency, there is NO money to repair or replace the failing schools, and Wootton is not alone; they are just the ones making the biggest fuss. So, MCPS came up with a solution to give them Crown. That's not an unreasonable solution.

Wootton families get penalized by MCPS poor planning and wasteful spending?

Do you not understand how many schools are in the same condition but the difference is you are being offered a brand new school nearby! Plus, your kids get access to so many more courses, clubs and activities while ours get the absolute minimum. I’d take that new school over our mold infested one.

Some wootton families dont want a new school. They want to stay where they are, and asking for a renovation of school. MCPS planned poorly with the budget, spending millions of dollars on a new school, and now they are saying they dont have enough enrollment, so Wootton has to go?

The county is losing $800+ million in revenue over the next 6 years, enrollment is declining, and there is a brand new $300 million dollar high school 2.5 miles from one that needs to be torn down. In what universe do we build an additional $300 million dollar school under these circumstances?

Was it bad planning? Yes. Was it preventable? Yes. But this is where we are today and dragging the county into more bonding when debt service is already a huge chunk of the budget is not the solution. Nor is raising income tax or property tax unless you want middle-class and upper-middle class homeowners to revolt.

It’s not ideal but it’s the best of a bunch of bad options and personally, it’s the first time I can recall MCPS actually proposing something practical rather than aspirational since the Great Recession.

I don’t disagree that the county faces major fiscal pressure — but that’s exactly why we need better planning, not short-term fixes that create bigger long-term problems. Moving an entire cluster into Crown is not a cost-saving plan; it’s a way of avoiding the consequences of past planning mistakes, and it doesn’t actually eliminate the need to rebuild Wootton. The building will not magically fix itself simply because its students are reassigned. Whether Wootton is occupied or not, MCPS will still eventually have to address a failing facility, and pushing that cost down the road does not make it go away.

The point is.. MCPS doesn't really need another HS due to falling enrollment. There will be a brand new HS. The best use of it is to close the neighboring crumbling HS and move the students to the new HS.

But, yes, MCPS is a hot mess and needs better CIP planning. But, the two things are not mutually exclusive. IMO, making Crown into Wootton 2.0 is good CIP planning.

Nope my kid can walk home from wootton or take a city bus they can not from crown nope nope nope

Your kid can actually take the bus home. There are many current Wootton students who currently do just that.

And if there is no city bus from Crown to Wootton now, I bet they can create a route.

MoCo never creates a route!

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the most hated school in the county for racist reasons…we don’t have the levels of other W schools yet our average SAT results and MCAP pass rates are higher. We are a majority minority school where most parents are immigrants to this country. Unfortunately we have the wrong kind of minority that woke justice warriors like to dump on. Every other thread is about Wootton. It’s insane. Yes, we don’t fit your crazed racial narratives. We are sorry for having a student body of capable kids.

Wootton parents are complaining about the facilities and want immediate action. Due to the wasteful spending with no accountability or transparency, there is NO money to repair or replace the failing schools, and Wootton is not alone; they are just the ones making the biggest fuss. So, MCPS came up with a solution to give them Crown. That's not an unreasonable solution.

Wootton families get penalized by MCPS poor planning and wasteful spending?

Do you not understand how many schools are in the same condition but the difference is you are being offered a brand new school nearby! Plus, your kids get access to so many more courses, clubs and activities while ours get the absolute minimum. I’d take that new school over our mold infested one.

Some wootton families dont want a new school. They want to stay where they are, and asking for a renovation of school. MCPS planned poorly with the budget, spending millions of dollars on a new school, and now they are saying they dont have enough enrollment, so Wootton has to go?

The county is losing $800+ million in revenue over the next 6 years, enrollment is declining, and there is a brand new $300 million dollar high school 2.5 miles from one that needs to be torn down. In what universe do we build an additional $300 million dollar school under these circumstances?

Was it bad planning? Yes. Was it preventable? Yes. But this is where we are today and dragging the county into more bonding when debt service is already a huge chunk of the budget is not the solution. Nor is raising income tax or property tax unless you want middle-class and upper-middle class homeowners to revolt.

It’s not ideal but it’s the best of a bunch of bad options and personally, it’s the first time I can recall MCPS actually proposing something practical rather than aspirational since the Great Recession.

I don’t disagree that the county faces major fiscal pressure — but that’s exactly why we need better planning, not short-term fixes that create bigger long-term problems. Moving an entire cluster into Crown is not a cost-saving plan; it’s a way of avoiding the consequences of past planning mistakes, and it doesn’t actually eliminate the need to rebuild Wootton. The building will not magically fix itself simply because its students are reassigned. Whether Wootton is occupied or not, MCPS will still eventually have to address a failing facility, and pushing that cost down the road does not make it go away.

The point is.. MCPS doesn't really need another HS due to falling enrollment. There will be a brand new HS. The best use of it is to close the neighboring crumbling HS and move the students to the new HS.

But, yes, MCPS is a hot mess and needs better CIP planning. But, the two things are not mutually exclusive. IMO, making Crown into Wootton 2.0 is good CIP planning.

Nope my kid can walk home from wootton or take a city bus they can not from crown nope nope nope

Well, that's it, then. Anonymous message board poster tantrums that their kid can walk currently and will have to be bused in this scenario. SHUT IT DOWN! Let's spend $300 million we don't have in the midst of enrollment declines so your kid doesn't need to ride a school bus.

Do you hear how entitled you sound?

The system is likely going to have to close 8-10 more facilities in the next 5-10 years, at least. This one is at least an easy decision. You shutter a defective building, populate a building that was going to have a hard time being populated well due to weird boundaries, and save hundreds of millions of dollars (and yes, they need to do some repairs to make old Wootton a holding school, but it will be chewing gum and duct tape).

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the most hated school in the county for racist reasons…we don’t have the levels of other W schools yet our average SAT results and MCAP pass rates are higher. We are a majority minority school where most parents are immigrants to this country. Unfortunately we have the wrong kind of minority that woke justice warriors like to dump on. Every other thread is about Wootton. It’s insane. Yes, we don’t fit your crazed racial narratives. We are sorry for having a student body of capable kids.

Wootton parents are complaining about the facilities and want immediate action. Due to the wasteful spending with no accountability or transparency, there is NO money to repair or replace the failing schools, and Wootton is not alone; they are just the ones making the biggest fuss. So, MCPS came up with a solution to give them Crown. That's not an unreasonable solution.

Wootton families get penalized by MCPS poor planning and wasteful spending?

Do you not understand how many schools are in the same condition but the difference is you are being offered a brand new school nearby! Plus, your kids get access to so many more courses, clubs and activities while ours get the absolute minimum. I’d take that new school over our mold infested one.

Some wootton families dont want a new school. They want to stay where they are, and asking for a renovation of school. MCPS planned poorly with the budget, spending millions of dollars on a new school, and now they are saying they dont have enough enrollment, so Wootton has to go?

The county is losing $800+ million in revenue over the next 6 years, enrollment is declining, and there is a brand new $300 million dollar high school 2.5 miles from one that needs to be torn down. In what universe do we build an additional $300 million dollar school under these circumstances?

Was it bad planning? Yes. Was it preventable? Yes. But this is where we are today and dragging the county into more bonding when debt service is already a huge chunk of the budget is not the solution. Nor is raising income tax or property tax unless you want middle-class and upper-middle class homeowners to revolt.

It’s not ideal but it’s the best of a bunch of bad options and personally, it’s the first time I can recall MCPS actually proposing something practical rather than aspirational since the Great Recession.

I don’t disagree that the county faces major fiscal pressure — but that’s exactly why we need better planning, not short-term fixes that create bigger long-term problems. Moving an entire cluster into Crown is not a cost-saving plan; it’s a way of avoiding the consequences of past planning mistakes, and it doesn’t actually eliminate the need to rebuild Wootton. The building will not magically fix itself simply because its students are reassigned. Whether Wootton is occupied or not, MCPS will still eventually have to address a failing facility, and pushing that cost down the road does not make it go away.

The point is.. MCPS doesn't really need another HS due to falling enrollment. There will be a brand new HS. The best use of it is to close the neighboring crumbling HS and move the students to the new HS.

But, yes, MCPS is a hot mess and needs better CIP planning. But, the two things are not mutually exclusive. IMO, making Crown into Wootton 2.0 is good CIP planning.

Nope my kid can walk home from wootton or take a city bus they can not from crown nope nope nope

Well, that's it, then. Anonymous message board poster tantrums that their kid can walk currently and will have to be bused in this scenario. SHUT IT DOWN! Let's spend $300 million we don't have in the midst of enrollment declines so your kid doesn't need to ride a school bus.

Do you hear how entitled you sound?

The system is likely going to have to close 8-10 more facilities in the next 5-10 years, at least. This one is at least an easy decision. You shutter a defective building, populate a building that was going to have a hard time being populated well due to weird boundaries, and save hundreds of millions of dollars (and yes, they need to do some repairs to make old Wootton a holding school, but it will be chewing gum and duct tape).

As much fun as it is to poke at Wooton families. It does seem like they should be able to move people around and distribute them, so that awkwardness isn't borne by just Wooton. I mean they could have stirred the pot, move Churchill kids south to make room for Wooton kids moved Richard Montgomery kids into crown, moved some Rockville kids into Richard montgomery (yikes I see FARM kids)! etc. I don't understand why stirring the pot wasn't an option.

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the most hated school in the county for racist reasons…we don’t have the levels of other W schools yet our average SAT results and MCAP pass rates are higher. We are a majority minority school where most parents are immigrants to this country. Unfortunately we have the wrong kind of minority that woke justice warriors like to dump on. Every other thread is about Wootton. It’s insane. Yes, we don’t fit your crazed racial narratives. We are sorry for having a student body of capable kids.

Wootton parents are complaining about the facilities and want immediate action. Due to the wasteful spending with no accountability or transparency, there is NO money to repair or replace the failing schools, and Wootton is not alone; they are just the ones making the biggest fuss. So, MCPS came up with a solution to give them Crown. That's not an unreasonable solution.

Wootton families get penalized by MCPS poor planning and wasteful spending?

Do you not understand how many schools are in the same condition but the difference is you are being offered a brand new school nearby! Plus, your kids get access to so many more courses, clubs and activities while ours get the absolute minimum. I’d take that new school over our mold infested one.

Some wootton families dont want a new school. They want to stay where they are, and asking for a renovation of school. MCPS planned poorly with the budget, spending millions of dollars on a new school, and now they are saying they dont have enough enrollment, so Wootton has to go?

The county is losing $800+ million in revenue over the next 6 years, enrollment is declining, and there is a brand new $300 million dollar high school 2.5 miles from one that needs to be torn down. In what universe do we build an additional $300 million dollar school under these circumstances?

Was it bad planning? Yes. Was it preventable? Yes. But this is where we are today and dragging the county into more bonding when debt service is already a huge chunk of the budget is not the solution. Nor is raising income tax or property tax unless you want middle-class and upper-middle class homeowners to revolt.

It’s not ideal but it’s the best of a bunch of bad options and personally, it’s the first time I can recall MCPS actually proposing something practical rather than aspirational since the Great Recession.

I don’t disagree that the county faces major fiscal pressure — but that’s exactly why we need better planning, not short-term fixes that create bigger long-term problems. Moving an entire cluster into Crown is not a cost-saving plan; it’s a way of avoiding the consequences of past planning mistakes, and it doesn’t actually eliminate the need to rebuild Wootton. The building will not magically fix itself simply because its students are reassigned. Whether Wootton is occupied or not, MCPS will still eventually have to address a failing facility, and pushing that cost down the road does not make it go away.

The point is.. MCPS doesn't really need another HS due to falling enrollment. There will be a brand new HS. The best use of it is to close the neighboring crumbling HS and move the students to the new HS.

But, yes, MCPS is a hot mess and needs better CIP planning. But, the two things are not mutually exclusive. IMO, making Crown into Wootton 2.0 is good CIP planning.

Let’s be honest, Crown is not going to be a Wootton 2.0.

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the most hated school in the county for racist reasons…we don’t have the levels of other W schools yet our average SAT results and MCAP pass rates are higher. We are a majority minority school where most parents are immigrants to this country. Unfortunately we have the wrong kind of minority that woke justice warriors like to dump on. Every other thread is about Wootton. It’s insane. Yes, we don’t fit your crazed racial narratives. We are sorry for having a student body of capable kids.

Wootton parents are complaining about the facilities and want immediate action. Due to the wasteful spending with no accountability or transparency, there is NO money to repair or replace the failing schools, and Wootton is not alone; they are just the ones making the biggest fuss. So, MCPS came up with a solution to give them Crown. That's not an unreasonable solution.

Wootton families get penalized by MCPS poor planning and wasteful spending?

Do you not understand how many schools are in the same condition but the difference is you are being offered a brand new school nearby! Plus, your kids get access to so many more courses, clubs and activities while ours get the absolute minimum. I’d take that new school over our mold infested one.

Some wootton families dont want a new school. They want to stay where they are, and asking for a renovation of school. MCPS planned poorly with the budget, spending millions of dollars on a new school, and now they are saying they dont have enough enrollment, so Wootton has to go?

The county is losing $800+ million in revenue over the next 6 years, enrollment is declining, and there is a brand new $300 million dollar high school 2.5 miles from one that needs to be torn down. In what universe do we build an additional $300 million dollar school under these circumstances?

Was it bad planning? Yes. Was it preventable? Yes. But this is where we are today and dragging the county into more bonding when debt service is already a huge chunk of the budget is not the solution. Nor is raising income tax or property tax unless you want middle-class and upper-middle class homeowners to revolt.

It’s not ideal but it’s the best of a bunch of bad options and personally, it’s the first time I can recall MCPS actually proposing something practical rather than aspirational since the Great Recession.

I don’t disagree that the county faces major fiscal pressure — but that’s exactly why we need better planning, not short-term fixes that create bigger long-term problems. Moving an entire cluster into Crown is not a cost-saving plan; it’s a way of avoiding the consequences of past planning mistakes, and it doesn’t actually eliminate the need to rebuild Wootton. The building will not magically fix itself simply because its students are reassigned. Whether Wootton is occupied or not, MCPS will still eventually have to address a failing facility, and pushing that cost down the road does not make it go away.

The point is.. MCPS doesn't really need another HS due to falling enrollment. There will be a brand new HS. The best use of it is to close the neighboring crumbling HS and move the students to the new HS.

But, yes, MCPS is a hot mess and needs better CIP planning. But, the two things are not mutually exclusive. IMO, making Crown into Wootton 2.0 is good CIP planning.

Nope my kid can walk home from wootton or take a city bus they can not from crown nope nope nope

If Wootton parents really don't want a nice new building at Crown and would prefer to stay at the crappy current building, fine. But don't expect the rest of us to pay for renovations to the current Wootton building. You had your choice, you decided that walkability or whatever was more important than a good building, then live with the issues at the Wootton building indefinitely. You don't get to have it both ways

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the most hated school in the county for racist reasons…we don’t have the levels of other W schools yet our average SAT results and MCAP pass rates are higher. We are a majority minority school where most parents are immigrants to this country. Unfortunately we have the wrong kind of minority that woke justice warriors like to dump on. Every other thread is about Wootton. It’s insane. Yes, we don’t fit your crazed racial narratives. We are sorry for having a student body of capable kids.

Wootton parents are complaining about the facilities and want immediate action. Due to the wasteful spending with no accountability or transparency, there is NO money to repair or replace the failing schools, and Wootton is not alone; they are just the ones making the biggest fuss. So, MCPS came up with a solution to give them Crown. That's not an unreasonable solution.

Wootton families get penalized by MCPS poor planning and wasteful spending?

Do you not understand how many schools are in the same condition but the difference is you are being offered a brand new school nearby! Plus, your kids get access to so many more courses, clubs and activities while ours get the absolute minimum. I’d take that new school over our mold infested one.

Some wootton families dont want a new school. They want to stay where they are, and asking for a renovation of school. MCPS planned poorly with the budget, spending millions of dollars on a new school, and now they are saying they dont have enough enrollment, so Wootton has to go?

The county is losing $800+ million in revenue over the next 6 years, enrollment is declining, and there is a brand new $300 million dollar high school 2.5 miles from one that needs to be torn down. In what universe do we build an additional $300 million dollar school under these circumstances?

Was it bad planning? Yes. Was it preventable? Yes. But this is where we are today and dragging the county into more bonding when debt service is already a huge chunk of the budget is not the solution. Nor is raising income tax or property tax unless you want middle-class and upper-middle class homeowners to revolt.

It’s not ideal but it’s the best of a bunch of bad options and personally, it’s the first time I can recall MCPS actually proposing something practical rather than aspirational since the Great Recession.

I don’t disagree that the county faces major fiscal pressure — but that’s exactly why we need better planning, not short-term fixes that create bigger long-term problems. Moving an entire cluster into Crown is not a cost-saving plan; it’s a way of avoiding the consequences of past planning mistakes, and it doesn’t actually eliminate the need to rebuild Wootton. The building will not magically fix itself simply because its students are reassigned. Whether Wootton is occupied or not, MCPS will still eventually have to address a failing facility, and pushing that cost down the road does not make it go away.

The point is.. MCPS doesn't really need another HS due to falling enrollment. There will be a brand new HS. The best use of it is to close the neighboring crumbling HS and move the students to the new HS.

But, yes, MCPS is a hot mess and needs better CIP planning. But, the two things are not mutually exclusive. IMO, making Crown into Wootton 2.0 is good CIP planning.

Nope my kid can walk home from wootton or take a city bus they can not from crown nope nope nope

If Wootton parents really don't want a nice new building at Crown and would prefer to stay at the crappy current building, fine. But don't expect the rest of us to pay for renovations to the current Wootton building. You had your choice, you decided that walkability or whatever was more important than a good building, then live with the issues at the Wootton building indefinitely. You don't get to have it both ways

It's fun to watch Wooton take one for team good schools, keep all of those property prices like they should be except. Wooton.

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Sorry to be insensitive. But this sounds like a choice of “eat sh*t” vs “eat a big load of sh*t”, at least for some families.

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the most hated school in the county for racist reasons…we don’t have the levels of other W schools yet our average SAT results and MCAP pass rates are higher. We are a majority minority school where most parents are immigrants to this country. Unfortunately we have the wrong kind of minority that woke justice warriors like to dump on. Every other thread is about Wootton. It’s insane. Yes, we don’t fit your crazed racial narratives. We are sorry for having a student body of capable kids.

Wootton parents are complaining about the facilities and want immediate action. Due to the wasteful spending with no accountability or transparency, there is NO money to repair or replace the failing schools, and Wootton is not alone; they are just the ones making the biggest fuss. So, MCPS came up with a solution to give them Crown. That's not an unreasonable solution.

Wootton families get penalized by MCPS poor planning and wasteful spending?

Do you not understand how many schools are in the same condition but the difference is you are being offered a brand new school nearby! Plus, your kids get access to so many more courses, clubs and activities while ours get the absolute minimum. I’d take that new school over our mold infested one.

Some wootton families dont want a new school. They want to stay where they are, and asking for a renovation of school. MCPS planned poorly with the budget, spending millions of dollars on a new school, and now they are saying they dont have enough enrollment, so Wootton has to go?

The county is losing $800+ million in revenue over the next 6 years, enrollment is declining, and there is a brand new $300 million dollar high school 2.5 miles from one that needs to be torn down. In what universe do we build an additional $300 million dollar school under these circumstances?

Was it bad planning? Yes. Was it preventable? Yes. But this is where we are today and dragging the county into more bonding when debt service is already a huge chunk of the budget is not the solution. Nor is raising income tax or property tax unless you want middle-class and upper-middle class homeowners to revolt.

It’s not ideal but it’s the best of a bunch of bad options and personally, it’s the first time I can recall MCPS actually proposing something practical rather than aspirational since the Great Recession.

I don’t disagree that the county faces major fiscal pressure — but that’s exactly why we need better planning, not short-term fixes that create bigger long-term problems. Moving an entire cluster into Crown is not a cost-saving plan; it’s a way of avoiding the consequences of past planning mistakes, and it doesn’t actually eliminate the need to rebuild Wootton. The building will not magically fix itself simply because its students are reassigned. Whether Wootton is occupied or not, MCPS will still eventually have to address a failing facility, and pushing that cost down the road does not make it go away.

The point is.. MCPS doesn't really need another HS due to falling enrollment. There will be a brand new HS. The best use of it is to close the neighboring crumbling HS and move the students to the new HS.

But, yes, MCPS is a hot mess and needs better CIP planning. But, the two things are not mutually exclusive. IMO, making Crown into Wootton 2.0 is good CIP planning.

Nope my kid can walk home from wootton or take a city bus they can not from crown nope nope nope

If Wootton parents really don't want a nice new building at Crown and would prefer to stay at the crappy current building, fine. But don't expect the rest of us to pay for renovations to the current Wootton building. You had your choice, you decided that walkability or whatever was more important than a good building, then live with the issues at the Wootton building indefinitely. You don't get to have it both ways

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the most hated school in the county for racist reasons…we don’t have the levels of other W schools yet our average SAT results and MCAP pass rates are higher. We are a majority minority school where most parents are immigrants to this country. Unfortunately we have the wrong kind of minority that woke justice warriors like to dump on. Every other thread is about Wootton. It’s insane. Yes, we don’t fit your crazed racial narratives. We are sorry for having a student body of capable kids.

Wootton parents are complaining about the facilities and want immediate action. Due to the wasteful spending with no accountability or transparency, there is NO money to repair or replace the failing schools, and Wootton is not alone; they are just the ones making the biggest fuss. So, MCPS came up with a solution to give them Crown. That's not an unreasonable solution.

Wootton families get penalized by MCPS poor planning and wasteful spending?

Do you not understand how many schools are in the same condition but the difference is you are being offered a brand new school nearby! Plus, your kids get access to so many more courses, clubs and activities while ours get the absolute minimum. I’d take that new school over our mold infested one.

Some wootton families dont want a new school. They want to stay where they are, and asking for a renovation of school. MCPS planned poorly with the budget, spending millions of dollars on a new school, and now they are saying they dont have enough enrollment, so Wootton has to go?

The county is losing $800+ million in revenue over the next 6 years, enrollment is declining, and there is a brand new $300 million dollar high school 2.5 miles from one that needs to be torn down. In what universe do we build an additional $300 million dollar school under these circumstances?

Was it bad planning? Yes. Was it preventable? Yes. But this is where we are today and dragging the county into more bonding when debt service is already a huge chunk of the budget is not the solution. Nor is raising income tax or property tax unless you want middle-class and upper-middle class homeowners to revolt.

It’s not ideal but it’s the best of a bunch of bad options and personally, it’s the first time I can recall MCPS actually proposing something practical rather than aspirational since the Great Recession.

I don’t disagree that the county faces major fiscal pressure — but that’s exactly why we need better planning, not short-term fixes that create bigger long-term problems. Moving an entire cluster into Crown is not a cost-saving plan; it’s a way of avoiding the consequences of past planning mistakes, and it doesn’t actually eliminate the need to rebuild Wootton. The building will not magically fix itself simply because its students are reassigned. Whether Wootton is occupied or not, MCPS will still eventually have to address a failing facility, and pushing that cost down the road does not make it go away.

The point is.. MCPS doesn't really need another HS due to falling enrollment. There will be a brand new HS. The best use of it is to close the neighboring crumbling HS and move the students to the new HS.

But, yes, MCPS is a hot mess and needs better CIP planning. But, the two things are not mutually exclusive. IMO, making Crown into Wootton 2.0 is good CIP planning.

Nope my kid can walk home from wootton or take a city bus they can not from crown nope nope nope

If Wootton parents really don't want a nice new building at Crown and would prefer to stay at the crappy current building, fine. But don't expect the rest of us to pay for renovations to the current Wootton building. You had your choice, you decided that walkability or whatever was more important than a good building, then live with the issues at the Wootton building indefinitely. You don't get to have it both ways

It's fun to watch Wooton take one for team good schools, keep all of those property prices like they should be except. Wooton.

You mean because they're shooting themselves in the foot insisting on keeping a crappy building forever?

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Sorry to be insensitive. But this sounds like a choice of “eat sh*t” vs “eat a big load of sh*t”, at least for some families.

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Anonymous wrote:Wootton is the most hated school in the county for racist reasons…we don’t have the levels of other W schools yet our average SAT results and MCAP pass rates are higher. We are a majority minority school where most parents are immigrants to this country. Unfortunately we have the wrong kind of minority that woke justice warriors like to dump on. Every other thread is about Wootton. It’s insane. Yes, we don’t fit your crazed racial narratives. We are sorry for having a student body of capable kids.

Wootton parents are complaining about the facilities and want immediate action. Due to the wasteful spending with no accountability or transparency, there is NO money to repair or replace the failing schools, and Wootton is not alone; they are just the ones making the biggest fuss. So, MCPS came up with a solution to give them Crown. That's not an unreasonable solution.

Wootton families get penalized by MCPS poor planning and wasteful spending?

Do you not understand how many schools are in the same condition but the difference is you are being offered a brand new school nearby! Plus, your kids get access to so many more courses, clubs and activities while ours get the absolute minimum. I’d take that new school over our mold infested one.

Some wootton families dont want a new school. They want to stay where they are, and asking for a renovation of school. MCPS planned poorly with the budget, spending millions of dollars on a new school, and now they are saying they dont have enough enrollment, so Wootton has to go?

The county is losing $800+ million in revenue over the next 6 years, enrollment is declining, and there is a brand new $300 million dollar high school 2.5 miles from one that needs to be torn down. In what universe do we build an additional $300 million dollar school under these circumstances?

Was it bad planning? Yes. Was it preventable? Yes. But this is where we are today and dragging the county into more bonding when debt service is already a huge chunk of the budget is not the solution. Nor is raising income tax or property tax unless you want middle-class and upper-middle class homeowners to revolt.

It’s not ideal but it’s the best of a bunch of bad options and personally, it’s the first time I can recall MCPS actually proposing something practical rather than aspirational since the Great Recession.

I don’t disagree that the county faces major fiscal pressure — but that’s exactly why we need better planning, not short-term fixes that create bigger long-term problems. Moving an entire cluster into Crown is not a cost-saving plan; it’s a way of avoiding the consequences of past planning mistakes, and it doesn’t actually eliminate the need to rebuild Wootton. The building will not magically fix itself simply because its students are reassigned. Whether Wootton is occupied or not, MCPS will still eventually have to address a failing facility, and pushing that cost down the road does not make it go away.

The point is.. MCPS doesn't really need another HS due to falling enrollment. There will be a brand new HS. The best use of it is to close the neighboring crumbling HS and move the students to the new HS.

But, yes, MCPS is a hot mess and needs better CIP planning. But, the two things are not mutually exclusive. IMO, making Crown into Wootton 2.0 is good CIP planning.

Nope my kid can walk home from wootton or take a city bus they can not from crown nope nope nope

If Wootton parents really don't want a nice new building at Crown and would prefer to stay at the crappy current building, fine. But don't expect the rest of us to pay for renovations to the current Wootton building. You had your choice, you decided that walkability or whatever was more important than a good building, then live with the issues at the Wootton building indefinitely. You don't get to have it both ways

How is "we'll give you a nice new building slightly further away from your house" asking them to eat sh*t? Do they not understand that "your high school might be a couple miles further away from you" and/or "there will be some fairly modest changes to your high school's boundaries" is exactly what a huge share of us across the county are dealing with right now, and we don't even get a nice building out of it? Do Wootton families think they're so special that they should be guaranteed a walkable school, no boundary changes, AMD tons of expensive renovations, while the rest of us get only one or none of those things? Sorry, guys, you have to choose.