Rank the Big 10 academically

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Anonymous wrote:These school are too big for any institution-wide rating to mean much. There are programs for which Mich State is better than UMich even if most UMich programs are, between those two schools, better.

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Still waiting for someone to list the programs that are stronger at Michigan State than Michigan.

Men's Basketball.

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the rabid Northwestern parent trying to hold it together, knowing they are paying 2.5x more than a UCLA parent for an education that is only going to be perceived as “bless their heart, their kid couldn’t even get into an Ivy - not even Cornell!” …

How is the weather in 1982?

NP. Not even 1982... that poster's thinking might have made sense in the 1940s, lol.

Lol at sending your kid to dreary flyover country (b-b-but it’s Evanston, not Chicago!) after they failed to get an Ivy bid or into Duke, still paying almost $400K for the trouble, and then realizing that your consolation prize is “dunking” on the unwashed whose kids are enjoying a quality of life in college that is 10 - 20x that of your kid’s experience.

If it ain’t a marketing MBA at Kellogg, NU can piss off in my book … true 30 years ago, true today.

Wow. Sometimes it's genuinely sad to see parents, whose kids were presumably rejected from certain schools, carry that chip on their shoulder so vigorously.

I hope you know that you're not alone. Northwestern rejects most students, and it's not a reflection of your kid or your parenting. But railing against it on online forums like this doesn't do your mental health any good, I promise!

And I promise my kid didn’t even consider applying to Northwestern. For some elite students, quality of life matters - if HYPSM isn’t in the cards, why would any applicant knowingly surrender quality of life for 3-4 years at a Plan B school in a shitty region of the country?

The easy answer for you, then, is just don't apply.

lol plan B. Wtf wants to be in Durham over Evanston.

Evanston is way better than half the ivies, in terms of location. Has the PP even been there? I spent 4 years there---it was a great place and it's 1000X better now. Chicago is a great city and you are only a 20 min L ride away.

Streams are being crossed here.

NU lacks Ivy prestige, so being “way better” than New Haven or MH/Harlem is irrelevant. Its location is being considered in the context of this: “You’re not going to be getting the prestige of an Ivy education and degree, so now are you also going to endure 3-4 years in Evanston, Illinois or Ann Arbor, Michigan or Los Angeles, California?”

I’ll leave it to you to consult with student ratings (and maybe common sense) regarding the self-evident quality of life differences in those three areas.

Unaffiliated with NU. "Ivy prestige" is not monolithic. I'd put Northwestern "above" Cornell and Dartmouth on the prestige scale, perhaps on par with Brown and UPenn.

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Anonymous wrote:1-10 list only

WHY? Go do something

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Anonymous wrote:NU is unique- High powered academics, Big Ten sports, easy access to a major city, Midwestern friendliness. Only a handful of places offer this combination. Go Cats!

High powered?

The undergraduate-obsessed booster parents here have no limits on the adjectives they will use to describe the undergrad experience.

Actually I’m not a parent booster. I’m an NU Law grad who was impressed with my law school classmates who went to NU undergrad. My kid refused to apply to NU. Don’t assume.

Okay. Undergrad-obsessed booster alumni, then. It doesn’t make it any better.

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Anonymous wrote:DP, but the average caliber of undergraduates and the job options available to Northwestern grads is greater than those from UCLA or Michigan. If we're talking about the top 10% of undergrad populations from all three schools, however, they'd be quite equally matched.

The difference is that the top 60-75% at NU can compete with the Top 10% at UCLA or Michigan

NP. Out of curiosity just looked up NUs most recent CDS. Out of 2,111 first time freshmen, only 1,008 were deemed eligible for financial. HALF the class can afford $90k per year?! Certified rich kids school. Jeepers.

It's been that way for years. 35+ years ago it was 60%+ that were full pay. Yes a lot of rich kids. And then you had me and a lot of my friends, those of us on work-study, working every break we got, and having to manage expenses/spending money very carefully.

Frankly, it's like that at most of the T50 schools. 50-60%+ are full pay. Why is that shocking? If you make 200K+ (and have for at least 10 years as a family) you should be able to save if you value education. Just saving $1K/month for 18 years would net you $216K without any market returns. That can easily be $300K+ if put in the SP500 index over that time, if not more.

Which would not cover the whole cost of four years, which tells you how ridiculous the cost of school has become.

It's your choice to pay what you can/want for college. But if you have $300K saved, you need another $60K for the final year. If kid wants to attend, they can earn $10-12K/year and you can fund the remaining $20-25K with cash flow (you were saving $12K/year, just use it for college).

Not the point of the comment at all. But okay, definitely justify in your own mind that $360k is a reasonable price tag for a BA.

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Anonymous wrote:None of them for undergrad.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:Look at the rabid Northwestern parent trying to hold it together, knowing they are paying 2.5x more than a UCLA parent for an education that is only going to be perceived as “bless their heart, their kid couldn’t even get into an Ivy - not even Cornell!” …

How is the weather in 1982?

NP. Not even 1982... that poster's thinking might have made sense in the 1940s, lol.

Lol at sending your kid to dreary flyover country (b-b-but it’s Evanston, not Chicago!) after they failed to get an Ivy bid or into Duke, still paying almost $400K for the trouble, and then realizing that your consolation prize is “dunking” on the unwashed whose kids are enjoying a quality of life in college that is 10 - 20x that of your kid’s experience.

If it ain’t a marketing MBA at Kellogg, NU can piss off in my book … true 30 years ago, true today.

Wow. Sometimes it's genuinely sad to see parents, whose kids were presumably rejected from certain schools, carry that chip on their shoulder so vigorously.

I hope you know that you're not alone. Northwestern rejects most students, and it's not a reflection of your kid or your parenting. But railing against it on online forums like this doesn't do your mental health any good, I promise!

And I promise my kid didn’t even consider applying to Northwestern. For some elite students, quality of life matters - if HYPSM isn’t in the cards, why would any applicant knowingly surrender quality of life for 3-4 years at a Plan B school in a shitty region of the country?

The easy answer for you, then, is just don't apply.

lol plan B. Wtf wants to be in Durham over Evanston.

Evanston is way better than half the ivies, in terms of location. Has the PP even been there? I spent 4 years there---it was a great place and it's 1000X better now. Chicago is a great city and you are only a 20 min L ride away.

Streams are being crossed here.

NU lacks Ivy prestige, so being “way better” than New Haven or MH/Harlem is irrelevant. Its location is being considered in the context of this: “You’re not going to be getting the prestige of an Ivy education and degree, so now are you also going to endure 3-4 years in Evanston, Illinois or Ann Arbor, Michigan or Los Angeles, California?”

I’ll leave it to you to consult with student ratings (and maybe common sense) regarding the self-evident quality of life differences in those three areas.

Unaffiliated with NU. "Ivy prestige" is not monolithic. I'd put Northwestern "above" Cornell and Dartmouth on the prestige scale, perhaps on par with Brown and UPenn.

So, basically, your prestige-meter just tracks USNWR.

Let's be honest, when people say claim that NU is much better than other schools, they're really just saying it's currently ranked in the T10 by USNWR and the others are not.

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The posters taking the position that NU is an excellent school in the same tier as Michigan and UCLA are not "hating" on NU. Sheesh.

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Anonymous wrote:DP, but the average caliber of undergraduates and the job options available to Northwestern grads is greater than those from UCLA or Michigan. If we're talking about the top 10% of undergrad populations from all three schools, however, they'd be quite equally matched.

The difference is that the top 60-75% at NU can compete with the Top 10% at UCLA or Michigan

NP. Out of curiosity just looked up NUs most recent CDS. Out of 2,111 first time freshmen, only 1,008 were deemed eligible for financial. HALF the class can afford $90k per year?! Certified rich kids school. Jeepers.

It's been that way for years. 35+ years ago it was 60%+ that were full pay. Yes a lot of rich kids. And then you had me and a lot of my friends, those of us on work-study, working every break we got, and having to manage expenses/spending money very carefully.

Frankly, it's like that at most of the T50 schools. 50-60%+ are full pay. Why is that shocking? If you make 200K+ (and have for at least 10 years as a family) you should be able to save if you value education. Just saving $1K/month for 18 years would net you $216K without any market returns. That can easily be $300K+ if put in the SP500 index over that time, if not more.

Which would not cover the whole cost of four years, which tells you how ridiculous the cost of school has become.

It's your choice to pay what you can/want for college. But if you have $300K saved, you need another $60K for the final year. If kid wants to attend, they can earn $10-12K/year and you can fund the remaining $20-25K with cash flow (you were saving $12K/year, just use it for college).

Not the point of the comment at all. But okay, definitely justify in your own mind that $360k is a reasonable price tag for a BA.

“I mean it’s one banana Michael. What could it cost? Ten dollars?”

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These school are too big for any institution-wide rating to mean much. There are programs for which Mich State is better than UMich even if most UMich programs are, between those two schools, better.

This is correct.

Still waiting for someone to list the programs that are stronger at Michigan State than Michigan.

Men's Basketball.

Also, not being d-bags.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These school are too big for any institution-wide rating to mean much. There are programs for which Mich State is better than UMich even if most UMich programs are, between those two schools, better.

This is correct.

Still waiting for someone to list the programs that are stronger at Michigan State than Michigan.

Men's Basketball.

Barely if at all this year.

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Anonymous wrote:DP, but the average caliber of undergraduates and the job options available to Northwestern grads is greater than those from UCLA or Michigan. If we're talking about the top 10% of undergrad populations from all three schools, however, they'd be quite equally matched.

The difference is that the top 60-75% at NU can compete with the Top 10% at UCLA or Michigan

NP. Out of curiosity just looked up NUs most recent CDS. Out of 2,111 first time freshmen, only 1,008 were deemed eligible for financial. HALF the class can afford $90k per year?! Certified rich kids school. Jeepers.

It's been that way for years. 35+ years ago it was 60%+ that were full pay. Yes a lot of rich kids. And then you had me and a lot of my friends, those of us on work-study, working every break we got, and having to manage expenses/spending money very carefully.

Frankly, it's like that at most of the T50 schools. 50-60%+ are full pay. Why is that shocking? If you make 200K+ (and have for at least 10 years as a family) you should be able to save if you value education. Just saving $1K/month for 18 years would net you $216K without any market returns. That can easily be $300K+ if put in the SP500 index over that time, if not more.

Which would not cover the whole cost of four years, which tells you how ridiculous the cost of school has become.

It's your choice to pay what you can/want for college. But if you have $300K saved, you need another $60K for the final year. If kid wants to attend, they can earn $10-12K/year and you can fund the remaining $20-25K with cash flow (you were saving $12K/year, just use it for college).

Not the point of the comment at all. But okay, definitely justify in your own mind that $360k is a reasonable price tag for a BA.

“I mean it’s one banana Michael. What could it cost? Ten dollars?”

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Anonymous wrote:^^^NU looks and feels more Ivy like than Big 10 rah rah like Michigan, et al. Students give off a more serious and intellectual vibe than party vibe.

LOL, the drug and alcohol abuse at NU is off the charts.

I went to NU and... what? Like, of course there's some drug and alcohol use at NU, but it's definitely not worse than other schools. A lot of kids at NU are more "Catan until 2 AM".

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:These school are too big for any institution-wide rating to mean much. There are programs for which Mich State is better than UMich even if most UMich programs are, between those two schools, better.

This is correct.

Still waiting for someone to list the programs that are stronger at Michigan State than Michigan.

Ag sciences, supply chain management, the entire school of education (toss-up at the undergraduate level, no contest at grad levels). MSU's residential colleges also are at least the equal of anything on offer at UMich except possibly the honors/res college combo there for smart, artsy kids.

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Not the flex you think it is but ok.