MIT releases post-affirmative action class of 2028 data

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Anonymous wrote:there are so many disparaging comments about races and ethnicities--and I mean not a particular one but all of them, I hope this gets shut down, and I go hope that only radicals are posting here because if this is where we are in todays world it is VERY SAD

+1 depressing really

multiculturalism will fail if this is what people think and post when anonymous, and i bet it all most are dems here...

I really dont care what my race, religion and culture does, I stopped caring at 20 when i realized I wont be defined by my parents and let alone by my ancestors, I wont be defined by my political affiliation, and I dont care what is politically correct, who ever thinks otherwise is not a well developed person

How do you tackle opportunity hoarding? I would gladly trade my child’s hock and possible Ivy ticket for an excellent k-12 education. People here are delusional if they think we all start at a level playing field.

no we dont all start at a level playing field, but you do the best with what you can, you dont belittle other people because of it, i mean two people of the same race, religion, social standing also dont start at the same level but people dont go screaming because one was a better test taker or another had better social skills to climb ahead,

I come from a small country but within it there were two groups of people-same race and religion but different ethnic connections and it was well known most of them would hire you only if you were "own of their own"--is this what we will have in the US? primitive BS?

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meant "one of their own"

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Anonymous wrote:As expected. But a little surprised by the decline in Latino students. There are a gazillion students with at least a grandparent from Latin America. Lots of Brazilian, Argentinian, Chilean families value education.

Aah my favorite type of rascism still exists on this board!

Not sure what's racist about it. If you have a grandparent from Chile, the Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Nigeria and all the other preferred "heritages," you absolutely use that when applying to competitive colleges. Some kids are the children of the Obamas, Clintons, Bushs, Bezos, Gates, Paltrows, Afflecks and so on and so forth. Some are the scions of private equity wealth. And some people have a grandmother in Sao Paolo. You work with what's available.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there are so many disparaging comments about races and ethnicities--and I mean not a particular one but all of them, I hope this gets shut down, and I go hope that only radicals are posting here because if this is where we are in todays world it is VERY SAD

+1 depressing really

multiculturalism will fail if this is what people think and post when anonymous, and i bet it all most are dems here...

I really dont care what my race, religion and culture does, I stopped caring at 20 when i realized I wont be defined by my parents and let alone by my ancestors, I wont be defined by my political affiliation, and I dont care what is politically correct, who ever thinks otherwise is not a well developed person

How do you tackle opportunity hoarding? I would gladly trade my child’s hock and possible Ivy ticket for an excellent k-12 education. People here are delusional if they think we all start at a level playing field.

no we dont all start at a level playing field, but you do the best with what you can, you dont belittle other people because of it, i mean two people of the same race, religion, social standing also dont start at the same level but people dont go screaming because one was a better test taker or another had better social skills to climb ahead,

I come from a small country but within it there were two groups of people-same race and religion but different ethnic connections and it was well known most of them would hire you only if you were "own of their own"--is this what we will have in the US? primitive BS?

Cool story. PP's example was SES and schools are allowed to discriminate based on SES.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there are so many disparaging comments about races and ethnicities--and I mean not a particular one but all of them, I hope this gets shut down, and I go hope that only radicals are posting here because if this is where we are in todays world it is VERY SAD

+1 depressing really

multiculturalism will fail if this is what people think and post when anonymous, and i bet it all most are dems here...

I really dont care what my race, religion and culture does, I stopped caring at 20 when i realized I wont be defined by my parents and let alone by my ancestors, I wont be defined by my political affiliation, and I dont care what is politically correct, who ever thinks otherwise is not a well developed person

How do you tackle opportunity hoarding? I would gladly trade my child’s hock and possible Ivy ticket for an excellent k-12 education. People here are delusional if they think we all start at a level playing field.

Hard Working middle class kids shouldn't be penalized.

Not exactly an answer to PP's question

Making better level playing field is the responsibilities of the governments.
Hard working middle class kids shouldn't be penalized.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there are so many disparaging comments about races and ethnicities--and I mean not a particular one but all of them, I hope this gets shut down, and I go hope that only radicals are posting here because if this is where we are in todays world it is VERY SAD

+1 depressing really

multiculturalism will fail if this is what people think and post when anonymous, and i bet it all most are dems here...

I really dont care what my race, religion and culture does, I stopped caring at 20 when i realized I wont be defined by my parents and let alone by my ancestors, I wont be defined by my political affiliation, and I dont care what is politically correct, who ever thinks otherwise is not a well developed person

How do you tackle opportunity hoarding? I would gladly trade my child’s hock and possible Ivy ticket for an excellent k-12 education. People here are delusional if they think we all start at a level playing field.

What “opportunity” is being “hoarded” and how?

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Anonymous wrote:Good. Meritocracy is the way to go.

MIT does not have meritocratic admissions.

Isn’t a school that has strict SAT/ACT requirements closer to it than most colleges?

Many top schools have that. MIT still is heavily invested in extracurriculars and opinion-based metrics that have little to do with being the best student.

MIT defines the 'best student' as they see fit for thier institution whatever those characteristics may be. It's interesting that so many want to define 'merit' by a test for Math and Verbal proficiency and are aghast that some (people, institutions) define 'merit' differently. The idea that a person with M=780 has more 'merit' or is a 'better student' than a 700 is only true if one decides that that is the metric. Add in leadership, community service, participation in school activities, accomplishment in an art form, and/or being successful in a challenging environment and you have a different definition.

A score of 780 may indicate the aptitude to be successful in MIT's program, but that doesn't equate to full definition of the 'best student' for theirs program.

Who hires a person, finds a mate, choose a church, decide on friends by a single quantitative metric (or two) and defines the as 'best'?
[These analogies are dumb. When you are a college that has a few months to pick 1,300 people out of 33,000 applicants, something totally unlike these decisions, then you absolutely need a few appropriate quantitative metrics in order to weed out large numbers of applicants quickly.]

The idea that "leadership, community service, participation in school activities, accomplishment in an art form" etc. are going to outweigh test scores and good grades in a rigorous curriculum as measures of merit is what dishonest people say when they want to run interference for anti-Asian discrimination.

The GPA and test scores are necessary but not sufficient. Why can't people understand that schools don't see any difference between a 1550 and a 1600 and that the class president with the 1550 is getting in over the 1600 student with nothing else remarkable?

It's not just test scores. The information that came out during discovery in the SFFA v Harvard case showed that asians had to outperform every other group in academics and extracurriculars to have the same chance at admission. Asians tend to be MORE remarkable in every measurable way (other than athletics) compared to other kids that get in. The area where asians did worse than other groups was in the "personal" score. Alumni interviewers rated asians at about the same level as other groups but the admissions committee rated them significantly lower than other groups.

The argument isn't that asians should get in because they score well on tests. Thea argument is that harvard shouldn't be downgrading asians on the subjective criteria to try and balance

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. Meritocracy is the way to go.

MIT does not have meritocratic admissions.

Isn’t a school that has strict SAT/ACT requirements closer to it than most colleges?

Many top schools have that. MIT still is heavily invested in extracurriculars and opinion-based metrics that have little to do with being the best student.

MIT defines the 'best student' as they see fit for thier institution whatever those characteristics may be. It's interesting that so many want to define 'merit' by a test for Math and Verbal proficiency and are aghast that some (people, institutions) define 'merit' differently. The idea that a person with M=780 has more 'merit' or is a 'better student' than a 700 is only true if one decides that that is the metric. Add in leadership, community service, participation in school activities, accomplishment in an art form, and/or being successful in a challenging environment and you have a different definition.

A score of 780 may indicate the aptitude to be successful in MIT's program, but that doesn't equate to full definition of the 'best student' for theirs program.

Who hires a person, finds a mate, choose a church, decide on friends by a single quantitative metric (or two) and defines the as 'best'?
[These analogies are dumb. When you are a college that has a few months to pick 1,300 people out of 33,000 applicants, something totally unlike these decisions, then you absolutely need a few appropriate quantitative metrics in order to weed out large numbers of applicants quickly.]

The idea that "leadership, community service, participation in school activities, accomplishment in an art form" etc. are going to outweigh test scores and good grades in a rigorous curriculum as measures of merit is what dishonest people say when they want to run interference for anti-Asian discrimination.

Not at all. As demonstrated by the fact that Asian students over-index at the most selective institutions. I, of course do not have access to data, but I would be very surprised if there weren't some Asian students with lower 'stats' than others, but were compelling for a host of reasons aside from test scores.

The data is available from the information that came oput during the SFFA lawsuit.

Asians tend to outperform other groups in "leadership, community service, participation in school activities, accomplishment in an art form"

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there are so many disparaging comments about races and ethnicities--and I mean not a particular one but all of them, I hope this gets shut down, and I go hope that only radicals are posting here because if this is where we are in todays world it is VERY SAD

+1 depressing really

multiculturalism will fail if this is what people think and post when anonymous, and i bet it all most are dems here...

I really dont care what my race, religion and culture does, I stopped caring at 20 when i realized I wont be defined by my parents and let alone by my ancestors, I wont be defined by my political affiliation, and I dont care what is politically correct, who ever thinks otherwise is not a well developed person

How do you tackle opportunity hoarding? I would gladly trade my child’s hock and possible Ivy ticket for an excellent k-12 education. People here are delusional if they think we all start at a level playing field.

Hard Working middle class kids shouldn't be penalized.

Not exactly an answer to PP's question

Making better level playing field is the responsibilities of the governments.
Hard working middle class kids shouldn't be penalized.

So you have no problem with public colleges (i.e. the government) leveling the playing field in admissions

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Anonymous wrote:Several posters already seem to be uncomfortable with how Asian elite schools are getting and it's still early in the process. Will we see "white flight" out of the ivies?

They will claim white flight. But we all know the real reason is they’re not competitive, which is why they’re so increasingly racist.

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What a hateful remark. Please check in with yourself before you post.
Hate has no home on DCUM.

There is a very real sentiment among some white people that they are being crowded out of their birthright by asians.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:there are so many disparaging comments about races and ethnicities--and I mean not a particular one but all of them, I hope this gets shut down, and I go hope that only radicals are posting here because if this is where we are in todays world it is VERY SAD

+1 depressing really

multiculturalism will fail if this is what people think and post when anonymous, and i bet it all most are dems here...

I really dont care what my race, religion and culture does, I stopped caring at 20 when i realized I wont be defined by my parents and let alone by my ancestors, I wont be defined by my political affiliation, and I dont care what is politically correct, who ever thinks otherwise is not a well developed person

How do you tackle opportunity hoarding? I would gladly trade my child’s hock and possible Ivy ticket for an excellent k-12 education. People here are delusional if they think we all start at a level playing field.

What “opportunity” is being “hoarded” and how?

Tour Dunbar and then tour Langley. Opportunities are not equal in this country

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Several posters already seem to be uncomfortable with how Asian elite schools are getting and it's still early in the process. Will we see "white flight" out of the ivies?

They will claim white flight. But we all know the real reason is they’re not competitive, which is why they’re so increasingly racist.

?
What a hateful remark. Please check in with yourself before you post.
Hate has no home on DCUM.

There is a very real sentiment among some white people that they are being crowded out of their birthright by asians.

your comment is very hateful as well. how are you making this assumptions?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Several posters already seem to be uncomfortable with how Asian elite schools are getting and it's still early in the process. Will we see "white flight" out of the ivies?

They will claim white flight. But we all know the real reason is they’re not competitive, which is why they’re so increasingly racist.

?
What a hateful remark. Please check in with yourself before you post.
Hate has no home on DCUM.

There is a very real sentiment among some white people that they are being crowded out of their birthright by asians.

I thought that was the sentiment from other groups. “We’ve played the game exactly right give us what we deserve.”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Good. Meritocracy is the way to go.

MIT does not have meritocratic admissions.

Isn’t a school that has strict SAT/ACT requirements closer to it than most colleges?

Many top schools have that. MIT still is heavily invested in extracurriculars and opinion-based metrics that have little to do with being the best student.

MIT defines the 'best student' as they see fit for thier institution whatever those characteristics may be. It's interesting that so many want to define 'merit' by a test for Math and Verbal proficiency and are aghast that some (people, institutions) define 'merit' differently. The idea that a person with M=780 has more 'merit' or is a 'better student' than a 700 is only true if one decides that that is the metric. Add in leadership, community service, participation in school activities, accomplishment in an art form, and/or being successful in a challenging environment and you have a different definition.

A score of 780 may indicate the aptitude to be successful in MIT's program, but that doesn't equate to full definition of the 'best student' for theirs program.

Who hires a person, finds a mate, choose a church, decide on friends by a single quantitative metric (or two) and defines the as 'best'?
[These analogies are dumb. When you are a college that has a few months to pick 1,300 people out of 33,000 applicants, something totally unlike these decisions, then you absolutely need a few appropriate quantitative metrics in order to weed out large numbers of applicants quickly.]

The idea that "leadership, community service, participation in school activities, accomplishment in an art form" etc. are going to outweigh test scores and good grades in a rigorous curriculum as measures of merit is what dishonest people say when they want to run interference for anti-Asian discrimination.

The GPA and test scores are necessary but not sufficient. Why can't people understand that schools don't see any difference between a 1550 and a 1600 and that the class president with the 1550 is getting in over the 1600 student with nothing else remarkable?

Whoa.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

You mean she wants White majority in college.

An uncomfortable fact is that affirmative action was partially motivated by suppressing Asian admits to keep white donor families comfortable. Once these schools hit 45% Asian, their social clout with affluent whites will evaporate.

That is the purpose. Anyone whose been to Berkeley has seen how exclusive majority Asian environments can be.

Is it bad? How is it compared to a majority white campus?