MIT releases post-affirmative action class of 2028 data

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Anonymous wrote:at what point will you guys stop complaining. as a prior supporter of AA I am soo glad it is gone. I think the number for blacks will be back to normal in 10 years and am hopeful that the complainers will stop. How annoying can you be? And you still arent satisfied. Now an essay suggested by Roberts is the racist tool. Odd that a bunch of decentralized racists decided to all get jobs in adminssions offices.

Have a feeling this is the same folks shooting up comet pizza, banning books and abortion, and waiting for jfk jr's resurrection

Roberts said that nothing in in the decision should be construed as prohibiting universities from considering an applicant’s discussion of how race affected the applicant’s life, be it through discrimination, inspiration, or otherwise.

He didn't suggest an essay prompt for applicants to discuss their race.

[Anonymous]

Honestly, a majority white campus would be a turn off for us, and majority Asian is also less ideal. But it will hard to find a place that has the perfect mix of ethnicities. Also, I don't see anything wrong with my kids having to open their minds and welcome new relationships into their lives. It's not the end of the world to experience racism or to experience being the minority.

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Anonymous wrote:As expected. But a little surprised by the decline in Latino students. There are a gazillion students with at least a grandparent from Latin America. Lots of Brazilian, Argentinian, Chilean families value education.

Only 2% of Latino students score over 700 in math SAT, so you simply should not expect to see a lot of them at MIT.

If you're going by over 700 SAT math, MIT should be about
47% Asian
43% White
3% Black
7% Hispanic

Actual class of 2027 is not too far off from that
47% Asian
37% White
5% Black
11% Hispanic

Now do 790 SAT.

If MIT just tracked SAT math scores, it would be even more Asian.

At MIT, 25% percentile for SAT math is 790 and 75% percentile is 800.

For 800 math scores, here is the national breakdown by race:

Asian 3%
White <1%
Mixed race <1%
Native American <1%
Black <1%
Hispanic <1%
Pacific Islander <1%

For 750+ math scores, here is the national breakdown by race:

Asian 22%
White 4%
Mixed race 4%
Native American 1%
Black <1%
Hispanic 1%
Pacific Islander 1%

no one wants to learn or create or live in a bubble of people selected based on SAT math scores.

Except for really rigorous environments like the folks developing fusion energy or the algorithmic trading hedge funds or anywhere competence actually matters.

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Anonymous wrote:As expected. But a little surprised by the decline in Latino students. There are a gazillion students with at least a grandparent from Latin America. Lots of Brazilian, Argentinian, Chilean families value education.

Re-read what you wrote there and think about how incredibly racist it sounds.

He seems to be talking about culture and not race.

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Anonymous wrote:there are so many disparaging comments about races and ethnicities--and I mean not a particular one but all of them, I hope this gets shut down, and I go hope that only radicals are posting here because if this is where we are in todays world it is VERY SAD

+1 depressing really

multiculturalism will fail if this is what people think and post when anonymous, and i bet it all most are dems here...

I really dont care what my race, religion and culture does, I stopped caring at 20 when i realized I wont be defined by my parents and let alone by my ancestors, I wont be defined by my political affiliation, and I dont care what is politically correct, who ever thinks otherwise is not a well developed person

How do you tackle opportunity hoarding? I would gladly trade my child’s hock and possible Ivy ticket for an excellent k-12 education. People here are delusional if they think we all start at a level playing field.

Hard Working middle class kids shouldn't be penalized.

Not exactly an answer to PP's question

Making better level playing field is the responsibilities of the governments.
Hard working middle class kids shouldn't be penalized.

So you have no problem with public colleges (i.e. the government) leveling the playing field in admissions

Yes.
Remember the public colleges/the government can't discriminate.

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Anonymous wrote:As expected. But a little surprised by the decline in Latino students. There are a gazillion students with at least a grandparent from Latin America. Lots of Brazilian, Argentinian, Chilean families value education.

Only 2% of Latino students score over 700 in math SAT, so you simply should not expect to see a lot of them at MIT.

If you're going by over 700 SAT math, MIT should be about
47% Asian
43% White
3% Black
7% Hispanic

Actual class of 2027 is not too far off from that
47% Asian
37% White
5% Black
11% Hispanic

Now do 790 SAT.

If MIT just tracked SAT math scores, it would be even more Asian.

At MIT, 25% percentile for SAT math is 790 and 75% percentile is 800.

For 800 math scores, here is the national breakdown by race:

Asian 3%
White <1%
Mixed race <1%
Native American <1%
Black <1%
Hispanic <1%
Pacific Islander <1%

For 750+ math scores, here is the national breakdown by race:

Asian 22%
White 4%
Mixed race 4%
Native American 1%
Black <1%
Hispanic 1%
Pacific Islander 1%

no one wants to learn or create or live in a bubble of people selected based on SAT math scores.

Except for really rigorous environments like the folks developing fusion energy or the algorithmic trading hedge funds or anywhere competence actually matters.

I don't hear of any hedge funds or fusion energy researchers complaining that they absolutely can't hire anyone so they just have to close up shop. So, what's the problem?

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Anonymous wrote:As expected. But a little surprised by the decline in Latino students. There are a gazillion students with at least a grandparent from Latin America. Lots of Brazilian, Argentinian, Chilean families value education.

Only 2% of Latino students score over 700 in math SAT, so you simply should not expect to see a lot of them at MIT.

If you're going by over 700 SAT math, MIT should be about
47% Asian
43% White
3% Black
7% Hispanic

Actual class of 2027 is not too far off from that
47% Asian
37% White
5% Black
11% Hispanic

Now do 790 SAT.

If MIT just tracked SAT math scores, it would be even more Asian.

At MIT, 25% percentile for SAT math is 790 and 75% percentile is 800.

For 800 math scores, here is the national breakdown by race:

Asian 3%
White <1%
Mixed race <1%
Native American <1%
Black <1%
Hispanic <1%
Pacific Islander <1%

For 750+ math scores, here is the national breakdown by race:

Asian 22%
White 4%
Mixed race 4%
Native American 1%
Black <1%
Hispanic 1%
Pacific Islander 1%

no one wants to learn or create or live in a bubble of people selected based on SAT math scores.

Except for really rigorous environments like the folks developing fusion energy or the algorithmic trading hedge funds or anywhere competence actually matters.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I still think that if we're getting rid of affirmative action, then we should also get rid of recruiting for sports. There is no difference between recruiting/changing the admissions requirements for a minority student vs doing the same for an athlete.

not that I disagree that legacy and athletic preferences should go away, but racial preferences are unconstitutional.
Preferences for athletic ability or wealth are not.

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Anonymous wrote:in 10-20 years most of these institutions will be led by Asian Americans

No, they will be led by Indian Americans. Look at the Silicon Valley.

First of all, Indians are Asians. Second, who are the current leaders of Nvidia, Broadcom and AMD?

Indian American here. I’m not Asian. Sorry. You don’t make the rules for us all.

Even Indians do not want to be classified as Asians since they can see how Asians are treated in this great country.

Wut? Asians are treated with respect in this country because they are correctly perceived as hard-working and law-abiding.

What?
You’re systematically put down (such as affirmative action) because you’re respected?

Asians attend highly selective colleges in numbers that far exceed their percentage of the overall population. In the exact case we are discussing here, MIT, "the percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent" - compared to Asians being maybe 7% of the overall population. How the f**k is that "systematically put down through affirmative action"???

Is your brain full of $hit or you’re doing this on purpose? How does that have anything to do with if a group is discriminated or not. Did you not see the fact Asian Americans are subject to much much higher standards than other races to be admitted to top colleges in this country?
Google SCOTUS ruling on Harvard lawsuit.

Asians are accepted to Ivies and MIT vastly in excess of their numbers in the general population, and you're whining about discrimination? Get bent. If there were actual discrimination then Asians at Harvard would be 7% not 30%.

Read Harvard lawsuit.

Cry moar, bizatch.

This just made me spit out my water. You all are too much.

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Anonymous wrote:From the article:

For the incoming class of 2028, about 16 percent of students are Black, Hispanic, Native American and Pacific Islander, compared to a baseline of about 25 percent of undergraduate students in recent years, the announcement said.

The comparison to the class of 2027 was even more dramatic. The percentage of Black students enrolled dropped to 5 percent from 15 percent, and the percentage of Hispanic and Latino students dropped to 11 percent from 16 percent. White students made up 37 percent of the new class, compared to 38 percent last year.

The percentage of Asian American students in the class rose to 47 percent from 40 percent.

Well, yes, this is exactly what Asian Americans were saying -- they were the group that was being hurt by affirmative action. MIT doesn't have legacy admits, which unnaturally boost the white percentage at other elite schools.

Doesn't Harvard have about the same percentage of whites as MIT does? But Harvard has legacy and MIT doesn't?

MIT doesn't have legacy, all their other preferences are pretty mild. If SFFA had sued MIT instead of Harvard, things might not have gone the same way. The rigor at MIT compared to the ivies makes it hard to give too much of a preference for things like athletics and affirmative action. Sure some but not like they had at Harvard or heaven forbid Cornell.

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

You mean she wants White majority in college.

An uncomfortable fact is that affirmative action was partially motivated by suppressing Asian admits to keep white donor families comfortable. Once these schools hit 45% Asian, their social clout with affluent whites will evaporate.

That is the purpose. Anyone whose been to Berkeley has seen how exclusive majority Asian environments can be.

Is it bad? How is it compared to a majority white campus?

NP. I suspect it can feel uncomfortable to many people, especially those that are not from heavily Asian states. The US is about 7% Asian, so touring a school that is majority Asian looks and feels different than anything many people are used to seeing.

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

Just a quick observation from outside the US, grouping all Asians together as a block is nuts.

60 percent of the world’s population lives in Asia including several of the world’s most and least advanced economies… and everything in between.

most asians coming in are through phds and tech jobs

The majority of asians in america do not fit this description.

Recent asian immigrants fit your profile and they tend to be more vocal about anti-asian discrimination because they come from places where they were not oppressed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This helps the 11-25 schools the most. Black students that would get into MIT will now go to Duke, would be Duke students now go to Emory etc.

And that helps the 26-100 because the Cornells of the world were digging deep for diversity. Now those black student that would have gone to Cornell end up going to Perdue or Penn State and this keeps trickling down and we will see more black students graduate with honors, stay in difficult majors, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:So no gain in white seats. All the seats previously occupied by URM went to Asians.

This follows what we are seeing on tours. We toured a dozen top20 schools this summer and the tour groups were 75-95% Asian and South Asian.

My kid (mixed race Asian) was completely turned off and we're left wondering what to do. She wants diversity in college.

You mean she wants White majority in college.

An uncomfortable fact is that affirmative action was partially motivated by suppressing Asian admits to keep white donor families comfortable. Once these schools hit 45% Asian, their social clout with affluent whites will evaporate.

That is the purpose. Anyone whose been to Berkeley has seen how exclusive majority Asian environments can be.

Is it bad? How is it compared to a majority white campus?

NP. I suspect it can feel uncomfortable to many people, especially those that are not from heavily Asian states. The US is about 7% Asian, so touring a school that is majority Asian looks and feels different than anything many people are used to seeing.

What really gets me is that the PP's kid is half-asian, and yet her kid is put off by seeing a lot of ethnically asian kids. Now most of those asian kids that are so off-putting to her, like mine, are no culturally different from her kid or a caucasian kid. It makes sad to think that no matter how many generations our family has been here, and no matter how much we have contributed to our communities, it is still skin color that matters the most to many people.

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Anonymous wrote:Honestly, a majority white campus would be a turn off for us, and majority Asian is also less ideal. But it will hard to find a place that has the perfect mix of ethnicities. Also, I don't see anything wrong with my kids having to open their minds and welcome new relationships into their lives. It's not the end of the world to experience racism or to experience being the minority.

That's because this doesn't exist.