Gaza War, Part 2

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

That’s not a solution ANYONE has floated, nor one that I would support. Both sides deserve to live in peaceful co-existence with one another. Anything that threatens that, like Hamas militants / terrorists or parents that teach their children to dehumanize the other side or Bibi or settler militants / terrorists or politicians on both sides who dehumanize the other side or displaced Palestinians who can’t get onboard with a new plan … they can all F off, as far as I’m concerned.

So I have to explain it again:

One state means Palestinians rule because there are more of them. That places all Israeli Jews at risk, especially if Hamas is still around.

Many on this thread have proposed one state.

The West Bank is the one state solution of Israeli and Arabs living side by side and even though it is majority Palestinians but they don’t rule. The ones at risk are not the Israelis in the West Bank. It’s the Palestinians.

Jeez, I really do have to spell it all out for you all.

If ALL Palestinians were incorporated into Israel as one state, they would outnumber Jews and thus run the government.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

That’s not a solution ANYONE has floated, nor one that I would support. Both sides deserve to live in peaceful co-existence with one another. Anything that threatens that, like Hamas militants / terrorists or parents that teach their children to dehumanize the other side or Bibi or settler militants / terrorists or politicians on both sides who dehumanize the other side or displaced Palestinians who can’t get onboard with a new plan … they can all F off, as far as I’m concerned.

So I have to explain it again:

One state means Palestinians rule because there are more of them. That places all Israeli Jews at risk, especially if Hamas is still around.

Many on this thread have proposed one state.

Your assumption is that Palestinians are simply an existential threat to Israel- this means that the two state solution is ALSO an existential threat to Israel, because a Palestinian state is entitled to have a real military, control over its air space, control over its sea ports, right next door to Israel.

Basically the Palestinian people being alive and in proximity to Israel is a problem. Now, is it MY problem? No. Should America help fix this “problem” for Israel? Nope.

My assumption is that Palestinians are absolutely such a threat if Hamas still exists.

But nice to know you’re on the team that is ok with Israel fighting the Arab world plus Iran on its own.

I don’t really care WHAT happens to Israel, because it had the time and resources and chose to facilitate the creation of Hamas and support Hamas instead of coming up with solutions.

Israel created all of its current dilemmas. Not my problem.

Cool. So if all 7 million Israeli Jews die in a war against the Arab world, you wouldn’t care.

Just so we’re clear.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

That’s not a solution ANYONE has floated, nor one that I would support. Both sides deserve to live in peaceful co-existence with one another. Anything that threatens that, like Hamas militants / terrorists or parents that teach their children to dehumanize the other side or Bibi or settler militants / terrorists or politicians on both sides who dehumanize the other side or displaced Palestinians who can’t get onboard with a new plan … they can all F off, as far as I’m concerned.

So I have to explain it again:

One state means Palestinians rule because there are more of them. That places all Israeli Jews at risk, especially if Hamas is still around.

Many on this thread have proposed one state.

And many on this thread have explained: the fact that Israel’s very existence is threatened by the prospect of ACTUAL democracy and human rights is not really our problem. It’s Israel’s problem of Israel’s creation.

If you want the land, you have to take the people ON the land. If you don’t want the people, you can’t have the land. If you want the land without the people, you’re going to have to have an apartheid state or genocide, and that’s a problem for the rest of us. I don’t need my tax money contributing to that.

If you think a government run by jihadis looks anything like democracy we are going nowhere in the conversation. Whack job.

So basically your position is that Palestinians can NEVER have their full human rights, because they are “jihadis.” Ok.

Umm … you termed Israel’s existence as being threatened by democracy. Care to elaborate? Because otherwise it seems like you’re calling Hamas democrats.

The PP is very confused. But it’s clear she doesn’t care if Jews are killed by Hamas as long as the US gets to keep its tax dollars or something.

We aren’t dealing with a particularly sharp person I’m afraid.

[Anonymous]

The ones in danger by a one state solution are Palestinians not Israelis. Israelis already live with Arabs (Bedouins,
Palestinians, etc) and do not feel in danger. As long as Israelis have the US cosigning and not sanctioning their actions, Israeli citizens (not just the army but citizens) can arrest, beat up, question, harrass, stalk,
or kill any Palestinians on a whim .
It’s been going on in the West Bank for years.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

That’s not a solution ANYONE has floated, nor one that I would support. Both sides deserve to live in peaceful co-existence with one another. Anything that threatens that, like Hamas militants / terrorists or parents that teach their children to dehumanize the other side or Bibi or settler militants / terrorists or politicians on both sides who dehumanize the other side or displaced Palestinians who can’t get onboard with a new plan … they can all F off, as far as I’m concerned.

So I have to explain it again:

One state means Palestinians rule because there are more of them. That places all Israeli Jews at risk, especially if Hamas is still around.

Many on this thread have proposed one state.

And many on this thread have explained: the fact that Israel’s very existence is threatened by the prospect of ACTUAL democracy and human rights is not really our problem. It’s Israel’s problem of Israel’s creation.

If you want the land, you have to take the people ON the land. If you don’t want the people, you can’t have the land. If you want the land without the people, you’re going to have to have an apartheid state or genocide, and that’s a problem for the rest of us. I don’t need my tax money contributing to that.

If you think a government run by jihadis looks anything like democracy we are going nowhere in the conversation. Whack job.

So basically your position is that Palestinians can NEVER have their full human rights, because they are “jihadis.” Ok.

Umm … you termed Israel’s existence as being threatened by democracy. Care to elaborate? Because otherwise it seems like you’re calling Hamas democrats.

I don’t think Israel’s existence is threatened by democracy. I think that’s what posters here have been stating. I think Israel’s identity as a “Jewish” state is threatened by actual democracy.

Again, this was all avoidable. By Israel. But Israel is choosing apartheid and suppression and genocide. Let’s not pretend otherwise.

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Anonymous wrote:The ones in danger by a one state solution are Palestinians not Israelis. Israelis already live with Arabs (Bedouins,
Palestinians, etc) and do not feel in danger. As long as Israelis have the US cosigning and not sanctioning their actions, Israeli citizens (not just the army but citizens) can arrest, beat up, question, harrass, stalk,
or kill any Palestinians on a whim .
It’s been going on in the West Bank for years.

Someone who doesn’t know what the demographics of one state would be, nor how parliamentary systems work.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

That’s not a solution ANYONE has floated, nor one that I would support. Both sides deserve to live in peaceful co-existence with one another. Anything that threatens that, like Hamas militants / terrorists or parents that teach their children to dehumanize the other side or Bibi or settler militants / terrorists or politicians on both sides who dehumanize the other side or displaced Palestinians who can’t get onboard with a new plan … they can all F off, as far as I’m concerned.

So I have to explain it again:

One state means Palestinians rule because there are more of them. That places all Israeli Jews at risk, especially if Hamas is still around.

Many on this thread have proposed one state.

And many on this thread have explained: the fact that Israel’s very existence is threatened by the prospect of ACTUAL democracy and human rights is not really our problem. It’s Israel’s problem of Israel’s creation.

If you want the land, you have to take the people ON the land. If you don’t want the people, you can’t have the land. If you want the land without the people, you’re going to have to have an apartheid state or genocide, and that’s a problem for the rest of us. I don’t need my tax money contributing to that.

If you think a government run by jihadis looks anything like democracy we are going nowhere in the conversation. Whack job.

So basically your position is that Palestinians can NEVER have their full human rights, because they are “jihadis.” Ok.

Umm … you termed Israel’s existence as being threatened by democracy. Care to elaborate? Because otherwise it seems like you’re calling Hamas democrats.

I don’t think Israel’s existence is threatened by democracy. I think that’s what posters here have been stating. I think Israel’s identity as a “Jewish” state is threatened by actual democracy.

Again, this was all avoidable. By Israel. But Israel is choosing apartheid and suppression and genocide. Let’s not pretend otherwise.

What is Hamas choosing?

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

That’s not a solution ANYONE has floated, nor one that I would support. Both sides deserve to live in peaceful co-existence with one another. Anything that threatens that, like Hamas militants / terrorists or parents that teach their children to dehumanize the other side or Bibi or settler militants / terrorists or politicians on both sides who dehumanize the other side or displaced Palestinians who can’t get onboard with a new plan … they can all F off, as far as I’m concerned.

So I have to explain it again:

One state means Palestinians rule because there are more of them. That places all Israeli Jews at risk, especially if Hamas is still around.

Many on this thread have proposed one state.

Your assumption is that Palestinians are simply an existential threat to Israel- this means that the two state solution is ALSO an existential threat to Israel, because a Palestinian state is entitled to have a real military, control over its air space, control over its sea ports, right next door to Israel.

Basically the Palestinian people being alive and in proximity to Israel is a problem. Now, is it MY problem? No. Should America help fix this “problem” for Israel? Nope.

My assumption is that Palestinians are absolutely such a threat if Hamas still exists.

But nice to know you’re on the team that is ok with Israel fighting the Arab world plus Iran on its own.

I don’t really care WHAT happens to Israel, because it had the time and resources and chose to facilitate the creation of Hamas and support Hamas instead of coming up with solutions.

Israel created all of its current dilemmas. Not my problem.

Cool. So if all 7 million Israeli Jews die in a war against the Arab world, you wouldn’t care.

Just so we’re clear.

Israel has nuclear weapons and supposedly a very good military and has normalized relations with many of its neighbors. It will be fine.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The ones in danger by a one state solution are Palestinians not Israelis. Israelis already live with Arabs (Bedouins,
Palestinians, etc) and do not feel in danger. As long as Israelis have the US cosigning and not sanctioning their actions, Israeli citizens (not just the army but citizens) can arrest, beat up, question, harrass, stalk,
or kill any Palestinians on a whim .
It’s been going on in the West Bank for years.

Someone who doesn’t know what the demographics of one state would be, nor how parliamentary systems work.

Deflection

[Anonymous]

2 states. No settlements. No Hamas.

That’s the answer.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

That’s not a solution ANYONE has floated, nor one that I would support. Both sides deserve to live in peaceful co-existence with one another. Anything that threatens that, like Hamas militants / terrorists or parents that teach their children to dehumanize the other side or Bibi or settler militants / terrorists or politicians on both sides who dehumanize the other side or displaced Palestinians who can’t get onboard with a new plan … they can all F off, as far as I’m concerned.

So I have to explain it again:

One state means Palestinians rule because there are more of them. That places all Israeli Jews at risk, especially if Hamas is still around.

Many on this thread have proposed one state.

Which then leaves two options. Either cleanse the Palestinians or a 2 state solution with all that that entails.

Since the cleansing option is, I'm sure you would agree, completely off the table that leaves only one option.

Ok. So what basis would you use?

Arabs rejected the UN partition plan.

Arafat didn’t like the Oslo Accords, which entailed 95% of the 1967 borders.

So what’s your plan?

It's obvious to everyone but you. The entire 1967 borders and the settlers either become Palestinian citizens or they move back to Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

That’s not a solution ANYONE has floated, nor one that I would support. Both sides deserve to live in peaceful co-existence with one another. Anything that threatens that, like Hamas militants / terrorists or parents that teach their children to dehumanize the other side or Bibi or settler militants / terrorists or politicians on both sides who dehumanize the other side or displaced Palestinians who can’t get onboard with a new plan … they can all F off, as far as I’m concerned.

So I have to explain it again:

One state means Palestinians rule because there are more of them. That places all Israeli Jews at risk, especially if Hamas is still around.

Many on this thread have proposed one state.

Your assumption is that Palestinians are simply an existential threat to Israel- this means that the two state solution is ALSO an existential threat to Israel, because a Palestinian state is entitled to have a real military, control over its air space, control over its sea ports, right next door to Israel.

Basically the Palestinian people being alive and in proximity to Israel is a problem. Now, is it MY problem? No. Should America help fix this “problem” for Israel? Nope.

My assumption is that Palestinians are absolutely such a threat if Hamas still exists.

But nice to know you’re on the team that is ok with Israel fighting the Arab world plus Iran on its own.

I don’t really care WHAT happens to Israel, because it had the time and resources and chose to facilitate the creation of Hamas and support Hamas instead of coming up with solutions.

Israel created all of its current dilemmas. Not my problem.

Cool. So if all 7 million Israeli Jews die in a war against the Arab world, you wouldn’t care.

Just so we’re clear.

Israel has nuclear weapons and supposedly a very good military and has normalized relations with many of its neighbors. It will be fine.

Tell me all about how great the relations with its neighbors are.

Egypt? Sure, maybe. But they wouldn’t fight for Israel. They’re part of the Arab League.

But here are the countries that would declare war:

Syria
Iran
Lebanon

Saudi Arabia

Probably also the smaller states.

Then you have Hamas and Hezbollah.

Israel would lose that war.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

That’s not a solution ANYONE has floated, nor one that I would support. Both sides deserve to live in peaceful co-existence with one another. Anything that threatens that, like Hamas militants / terrorists or parents that teach their children to dehumanize the other side or Bibi or settler militants / terrorists or politicians on both sides who dehumanize the other side or displaced Palestinians who can’t get onboard with a new plan … they can all F off, as far as I’m concerned.

So I have to explain it again:

One state means Palestinians rule because there are more of them. That places all Israeli Jews at risk, especially if Hamas is still around.

Many on this thread have proposed one state.

The West Bank is the one state solution of Israeli and Arabs living side by side and even though it is majority Palestinians but they don’t rule. The ones at risk are not the Israelis in the West Bank. It’s the Palestinians.

Jeez, I really do have to spell it all out for you all.

If ALL Palestinians were incorporated into Israel as one state, they would outnumber Jews and thus run the government.

But that’s… democracy. That’s how a democratic country works. Artificially holding people on land and giving them no citizenship is apartheid. I live in a democracy, I do not support an apartheid state.

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

Try to understand. I am not Palestinian. Or even Arabic. Or Muslim. But when I see the dead and injured children in Gaza, I see my son. You can call that naive or ignorant if you like. I fully get that Hamas are monsters and have chosen to inflict unspeakable damage on Israelis. Doesn’t change the fact that Israel’s response is hurting innocents too. And I don’t find the innocent Israeli’s killed by Hamas to be worth more than the children killed by Israel.

But if you see a dead Israeli, do you see your son?

I do not want to see Israeli children harmed. Or their mothers raped. Or their grandmothers taken hostage. All of this has clearly happened.

But to your question above. When I see pictures of young Palestinian boys, they literally look like my son (we are brown skinned with origins from a different part of the globe). That has an emotional response which is real.

You know, when I see dead kids of any race, I have a strong emotional response. It’s weird and somewhat sociopathic that you don’t.

But see, it’s only if she thinks they look like her kid.

Honestly? I didn’t know whether I should respond to that question but I decided to do so. Of course I (like hopefully all people) respond to children of all races being hurt or killed. I am not going to lie - there is something about those Palestinian children who just have such a rough lot in life that has captured me. Since we have been talking about how the American population is becoming slightly less reflexively pro Israel/anti Palestine, I thought I would share my reaction. I think mainstream Americans are more able today to see the humanity in Palestinians than they have before. Maybe because of social media and other sources of news?

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Anonymous wrote:I'd respect the pro-Palestinian contingent far more if they weren't so ignorant and didn't make this whole thing sound like a video game.

The saddest part is when I ask them what their alternative plan is to the current situation and they have nothing.

It’s all just feels. Which is fine, it’s right to feel sad and angry about the situation. I am. They just don’t know enough about the situation to really be able to engage substantively in a discussion about what’s next.

Which is frustrating. Listen, I hate it too. I hate Bibi. But I know enough to have an intelligent discussion about this. They clearly don’t, as they crumble in the face of questions.

Thank the heavens we have intelligent folks like you here to occupy the adult table. Do you even read aloud what you type? People here have endured your inane perseveration re: “to what end” and already Mutombo’d the shit out of it with ideas. Others have ignored you because they know YOUR endgame is to stifle any real discussion because in the long run, you’re pleased as punch with the status quo.

No one has given reasonable ideas, or in fact any ideas.

You use the word reasonable to tip your hand that you’re not willing to change ANYTHING, but you expect not to be laughed at or ignored. OK.

I never said that. But when the only idea is one that would guarantee 7 million Israeli Jews are under the rule of Palestinians, without getting rid of Hamas, well then that’s not so reasonable now is it?

That’s not a solution ANYONE has floated, nor one that I would support. Both sides deserve to live in peaceful co-existence with one another. Anything that threatens that, like Hamas militants / terrorists or parents that teach their children to dehumanize the other side or Bibi or settler militants / terrorists or politicians on both sides who dehumanize the other side or displaced Palestinians who can’t get onboard with a new plan … they can all F off, as far as I’m concerned.

So I have to explain it again:

One state means Palestinians rule because there are more of them. That places all Israeli Jews at risk, especially if Hamas is still around.

Many on this thread have proposed one state.

Which then leaves two options. Either cleanse the Palestinians or a 2 state solution with all that that entails.

Since the cleansing option is, I'm sure you would agree, completely off the table that leaves only one option.

Ok. So what basis would you use?

Arabs rejected the UN partition plan.

Arafat didn’t like the Oslo Accords, which entailed 95% of the 1967 borders.

So what’s your plan?

It's obvious to everyone but you. The entire 1967 borders and the settlers either become Palestinian citizens or they move back to Israel.

So much of the Oslo Accords. Who does Israel negotiate with?