New VA trans policies for schools

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am 100% positive that the person who compared trans girls to Black girls is not Black.

That’s a racist line that person should never, ever cross, but because of the endemic racism of many trans rights advocates, the poster didn’t even think about it, but went right ahead and colonized and used the experience of Black girls. It happens all the time in the trans rights movement, and it’s wrong. And it’s okay to call that out.

I will apologize and not use a comparison again. I will merely say throughout the history of the world folks have been uncomfortable sharing space with other people that they do not think belong in their space. That doesn't mean we given in to uncomfortable feelings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am 100% positive that the person who compared trans girls to Black girls is not Black.

That’s a racist line that person should never, ever cross, but because of the endemic racism of many trans rights advocates, the poster didn’t even think about it, but went right ahead and colonized and used the experience of Black girls. It happens all the time in the trans rights movement, and it’s wrong. And it’s okay to call that out.

DP. You're doing it too, there.

We all should think about our language and words. And whether we should be using them.

No, you are just ignorant of how people, especially people who aren’t white, are having these conversations. Colonization is a term used to describe what white people are doing when they use and abuse the racist experiences of Black women and girls to make their own points. That white PP should never have made that comparison. But she did, and that is the action of a colonizer.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am 100% positive that the person who compared trans girls to Black girls is not Black.

That’s a racist line that person should never, ever cross, but because of the endemic racism of many trans rights advocates, the poster didn’t even think about it, but went right ahead and colonized and used the experience of Black girls. It happens all the time in the trans rights movement, and it’s wrong. And it’s okay to call that out.

I will apologize and not use a comparison again. I will merely say throughout the history of the world folks have been uncomfortable sharing space with other people that they do not think belong in their space. That doesn't mean we given in to uncomfortable feelings.

Thank you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't we get emails about FCPS and strong academics surrounding STEM and preparing our children for AI, everything is equity LGBTQ+ abortions etc this isn't what we need to learn in school.

Because people are actively trying to legislate against abortion rights and LGBTQ+ people. When people start to legislate against STEM I’m sure we’ll see a reaction. Schools don’t exist in a vacuum. It’s a small community. Issues can’t just be left at the schoolhouse door.

It's not FCPS responsibility to talk about legislation agree/disagreements they are to follow what is told by VDOE and focus on education not social issues.

Schools should focus on social issues. Got it.

Sorry. My incredulousness at this got ahead of my sarcastic reply. SHOULDN’T focus on social issues. Got it.

correct focus on things that are not opinion based, like math, science etc. raising kids and their sexual orientation isn't a school matter.

But school doesn't exist in a social vacuum. From the moment kids enter school they are learning social skills socialization. I mean if anything closing for 1.5 years taught us that! Kids need schools to learn all of that stuff. They also use school to learn how to be humans.

One size doesn't fit all, my kids is going to major in STEM not liberal starbucks arts, so the later shouldnt be the focus for public school as it discreminates against the ones seeking a STEM education

I mean my kids is going to be major in STEM too. He still needs to learn how to talk to people and live in society. Do you want kids go to school with blinders on. Perhaps each kid should have their own box that they sit in at their desk. The teach can only teach them math and nothing else. NO fun. No field day. No sports. No anything other than math, reading, writing, science. They aren't allowed to talk to each other or interact. EDUCATION ONLY.

Fcps is failing at the core requirements of education, once they get that right they can vrnq h out to other things if budget allows

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am 100% positive that the person who compared trans girls to Black girls is not Black.

That’s a racist line that person should never, ever cross, but because of the endemic racism of many trans rights advocates, the poster didn’t even think about it, but went right ahead and colonized and used the experience of Black girls. It happens all the time in the trans rights movement, and it’s wrong. And it’s okay to call that out.

DP. You're doing it too, there.

We all should think about our language and words. And whether we should be using them.

No, you are just ignorant of how people, especially people who aren’t white, are having these conversations. Colonization is a term used to describe what white people are doing when they use and abuse the racist experiences of Black women and girls to make their own points. That white PP should never have made that comparison. But she did, and that is the action of a colonizer.

Are you BIPOC and using the language of American Indians or other Indigenous peoples?

I'm not ignorant of these conversations. I disagree with the way some of these words are being used.

[Anonymous]

You guys are all debating this naming thing and referencing nicknames. I think the real issue was that teachers were inundated with pronoun requests. And kids were getting nasty about it when teachers couldn't remember whether a kid should be zher, her, zhe, ze, they, em, eir. Teachers have dozens of students in high school and I'm not sure why pronouns need to be a daily debate.

[Anonymous]

I think this is not complicated.

1. Schools cannot lie to parents unless there is a clear safety issue which has been documented.

2. Schools do not exist to protect children from their parents.

3. A child may want to transition back.

[Anonymous]

Some Youngkin goon made a statement to the media a week or two back to the effect of, “Kids don’t belong to the state. They belong to their parents.”

It really summed up for me how Republicans feel about children - they are property. Not distinct human lives with rights of their own, but chattel to be acquired, controlled, and programmed. And of course exploited.

What a shame.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some Youngkin goon made a statement to the media a week or two back to the effect of, “Kids don’t belong to the state. They belong to their parents.”

It really summed up for me how Republicans feel about children - they are property. Not distinct human lives with rights of their own, but chattel to be acquired, controlled, and programmed. And of course exploited.

What a shame.

This is correct. Parents raise their children. Schools help, they are an invaluable part of the village, and as children get older, they become even more important. But ultimately, parents raise their children. They are responsible for them, no one else is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this is not complicated.

1. Schools cannot lie to parents unless there is a clear safety issue which has been documented.

2. Schools do not exist to protect children from their parents.

3. A child may want to transition back.

Number one is irritating me because if your kid asks me to call them a name, I’m going to. I’m not calling home for every kid that does this to check, that’s ridiculous. But it isn’t “lying” to you. If your kid comes out to me, i’m going to assume you know and not call you to discuss. That’s not lying. If your child discloses to me harm, abuse, or danger, I will appropriately report that as I am legally required to do and always have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:You guys are all debating this naming thing and referencing nicknames. I think the real issue was that teachers were inundated with pronoun requests. And kids were getting nasty about it when teachers couldn't remember whether a kid should be zher, her, zhe, ze, they, em, eir. Teachers have dozens of students in high school and I'm not sure why pronouns need to be a daily debate.

No, that is a disingenuous explanation that doesn’t match reality in the classroom or the spirit in which these policies are intended.

-high school teacher

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this is not complicated.

1. Schools cannot lie to parents unless there is a clear safety issue which has been documented.

2. Schools do not exist to protect children from their parents.

3. A child may want to transition back.

Number one is irritating me because if your kid asks me to call them a name, I’m going to. I’m not calling home for every kid that does this to check, that’s ridiculous. But it isn’t “lying” to you. If your kid comes out to me, i’m going to assume you know and not call you to discuss. That’s not lying. If your child discloses to me harm, abuse, or danger, I will appropriately report that as I am legally required to do and always have.

DP. When a student does not turn in a signed field trip form, does the school allow them to go anyway? If so, would that be lying to the parents? If a parent opts-out their child from an FLE lesson, and the child wants to attend, does the school allow them to attend anyway (as was described in the related FCPS thread)? If so, would that be lying to the parents?

Schools aren't telling parents every time a student changes their name or pronoun. (Although if this is burdensome for teachers, as a poster described upthread, with many students frequently changing their name or pronouns, then this could be a way to deal with that.) But should schools be in the business of hiding information about a student from the parent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this is not complicated.

1. Schools cannot lie to parents unless there is a clear safety issue which has been documented.

2. Schools do not exist to protect children from their parents.

3. A child may want to transition back.

Number one is irritating me because if your kid asks me to call them a name, I’m going to. I’m not calling home for every kid that does this to check, that’s ridiculous. But it isn’t “lying” to you. If your kid comes out to me, i’m going to assume you know and not call you to discuss. That’s not lying. If your child discloses to me harm, abuse, or danger, I will appropriately report that as I am legally required to do and always have.

DP. When a student does not turn in a signed field trip form, does the school allow them to go anyway? If so, would that be lying to the parents? If a parent opts-out their child from an FLE lesson, and the child wants to attend, does the school allow them to attend anyway (as was described in the related FCPS thread)? If so, would that be lying to the parents?

Schools aren't telling parents every time a student changes their name or pronoun. (Although if this is burdensome for teachers, as a poster described upthread, with many students frequently changing their name or pronouns, then this could be a way to deal with that.) But should schools be in the business of hiding information about a student from the parent?

DP, Third grade teacher

If we don’t have a signed field trip permission slip, the student does not go. If a child is opted out of an FLE lesson, or any other opt-out, the child doesn’t participate. The school is very cautious about opt-outs.

I’ve never had a student change their pronouns. I have had students ask to be called names other than their full name that include nicknames not typically associated with their given name, but it’s never been an issue. It’s always been a name the family uses.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this is not complicated.

1. Schools cannot lie to parents unless there is a clear safety issue which has been documented.

2. Schools do not exist to protect children from their parents.

3. A child may want to transition back.

Number one is irritating me because if your kid asks me to call them a name, I’m going to. I’m not calling home for every kid that does this to check, that’s ridiculous. But it isn’t “lying” to you. If your kid comes out to me, i’m going to assume you know and not call you to discuss. That’s not lying. If your child discloses to me harm, abuse, or danger, I will appropriately report that as I am legally required to do and always have.

DP. When a student does not turn in a signed field trip form, does the school allow them to go anyway? If so, would that be lying to the parents? If a parent opts-out their child from an FLE lesson, and the child wants to attend, does the school allow them to attend anyway (as was described in the related FCPS thread)? If so, would that be lying to the parents?

Schools aren't telling parents every time a student changes their name or pronoun. (Although if this is burdensome for teachers, as a poster described upthread, with many students frequently changing their name or pronouns, then this could be a way to deal with that.) But should schools be in the business of hiding information about a student from the parent?

DP, Third grade teacher

If we don’t have a signed field trip permission slip, the student does not go. If a child is opted out of an FLE lesson, or any other opt-out, the child doesn’t participate. The school is very cautious about opt-outs.

I’ve never had a student change their pronouns. I have had students ask to be called names other than their full name that include nicknames not typically associated with their given name, but it’s never been an issue. It’s always been a name the family uses.

When Dr. Reid told parents that she would allow an opted-out student to attend FLE if they wanted to, she was violating that. If parents cannot trust schools to honor opt-outs, then how can parents trust schools? These new guidelines are/will be getting a lot of pushback. But they're needed, for parents to trust schools with their children.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think this is not complicated.

1. Schools cannot lie to parents unless there is a clear safety issue which has been documented.

2. Schools do not exist to protect children from their parents.

3. A child may want to transition back.

Number one is irritating me because if your kid asks me to call them a name, I’m going to. I’m not calling home for every kid that does this to check, that’s ridiculous. But it isn’t “lying” to you. If your kid comes out to me, i’m going to assume you know and not call you to discuss. That’s not lying. If your child discloses to me harm, abuse, or danger, I will appropriately report that as I am legally required to do and always have.

DP. When a student does not turn in a signed field trip form, does the school allow them to go anyway? If so, would that be lying to the parents? If a parent opts-out their child from an FLE lesson, and the child wants to attend, does the school allow them to attend anyway (as was described in the related FCPS thread)? If so, would that be lying to the parents?

Schools aren't telling parents every time a student changes their name or pronoun. (Although if this is burdensome for teachers, as a poster described upthread, with many students frequently changing their name or pronouns, then this could be a way to deal with that.) But should schools be in the business of hiding information about a student from the parent?

If your kid doesn’t have a permission slip, they can’t go. Duh. To further this analogy, if YOU the parent EMAIL ME and say “YOU CAN’T CALL MY CHILD TREY,” then it’s pretty clear I can’t. But if your kid just says “I go by Trey,” I’m going to assume you as the parent know and it’s fine because I haven’t heard otherwise.