New VA trans policies for schools

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Anonymous wrote:Are the rules really that bad? Don’t socially transition a child without the parent’s knowledge and permission? Sports that are segregated by sex continue to be segregated by sex rather than gender identity?

If you're a right wing conservative and anti trans then I guess the new rules are perfectly fine.

I'm neither, but women's rights don't get trumped by biological boys who don't want to compete against other biological boys.

Mom of a straight cis girl here. I don't think she wants to share the girls bathroom with trans boys who everyone considers to be boys. What about her rights?

+1 there are moms here in VA that are listening to their girls at home say they don't want to have to change a pad or tampon with a biological boy in the next stall or have to change clothes with them in the locker room. These girls have rights too.

There were a lot of white girls uncomfortable with sharing a bathroom with black girls too. Sometimes things make us uncomfortable but that doesn't mean that it is wrong or we should make laws banning it.

There are a lot of things that trans activists say that are morally and ethically appalling, but the way white trans activists continually exploit, attack, and undermine the femininity of Black women and girls to make their points is particularly horrific. If you are white and you can’t make your argument without using the femininity of Black girls, maybe you shouldn’t make your argument at all. Get their names out of your mouth.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't we get emails about FCPS and strong academics surrounding STEM and preparing our children for AI, everything is equity LGBTQ+ abortions etc this isn't what we need to learn in school.

Because people are actively trying to legislate against abortion rights and LGBTQ+ people. When people start to legislate against STEM I’m sure we’ll see a reaction. Schools don’t exist in a vacuum. It’s a small community. Issues can’t just be left at the schoolhouse door.

It's not FCPS responsibility to talk about legislation agree/disagreements they are to follow what is told by VDOE and focus on education not social issues.

Schools should focus on social issues. Got it.

Sorry. My incredulousness at this got ahead of my sarcastic reply. SHOULDN’T focus on social issues. Got it.

correct focus on things that are not opinion based, like math, science etc. raising kids and their sexual orientation isn't a school matter.

But school doesn't exist in a social vacuum. From the moment kids enter school they are learning social skills socialization. I mean if anything closing for 1.5 years taught us that! Kids need schools to learn all of that stuff. They also use school to learn how to be humans.

One size doesn't fit all, my kids is going to major in STEM not liberal starbucks arts, so the later shouldnt be the focus for public school as it discreminates against the ones seeking a STEM education

Please start a discrimination against STEM education thread.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the rules really that bad? Don’t socially transition a child without the parent’s knowledge and permission? Sports that are segregated by sex continue to be segregated by sex rather than gender identity?

If you're a right wing conservative and anti trans then I guess the new rules are perfectly fine.

I'm neither, but women's rights don't get trumped by biological boys who don't want to compete against other biological boys.

Mom of a straight cis girl here. I don't think she wants to share the girls bathroom with trans boys who everyone considers to be boys. What about her rights?

+1 there are moms here in VA that are listening to their girls at home say they don't want to have to change a pad or tampon with a biological boy in the next stall or have to change clothes with them in the locker room. These girls have rights too.

There were a lot of white girls uncomfortable with sharing a bathroom with black girls too. Sometimes things make us uncomfortable but that doesn't mean that it is wrong or we should make laws banning it.

I hate this racist talking point! Black women are not men! It’s not the same

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I could not agree more.

It is such a profoundly racist thing to say, and it is always, always something casually tossed off by white trans rights advocates. The above is not the language of Black advocates. It is the language of racist white people.

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NP. I wonder if there is a way to allow for judgment based on likelihood of medical intervention. I don’t think it’s workable to ask teachers to not call kids by their preferred names, just on a practical basis. And, I think it’s good for kids to have an outlet to experiment with identity. Who cares if Rebecca wants to be called Rex by her favorite teacher?

However, I also think it’s very problematic for schools to hide full gender transitions from parents, because of the medicalized potential outcomes. A parent can’t just find out their kid has adopted a trans identity when the child demands puberty blockers. That’s too late, and by then the child has probably absorbed a bunch of overtly wrong propaganda about medical transition. There is just so much coming out about how much misleading medical information has been promoted in the name of gender affirmative care. (Personally, given how things are going, I think that medicalized transition for youth is well on its way to being the lobotomy of our times.) It isn’t right for parents to only find out after their child has absorbed enormous amounts of misinformation about medical transitions.

Maybe there could be a judgment call: parents are notified when authorities at the school think the transition is enough that the child may ask for medical intervention. Idk, just thinking out loud and trying to bridge a tricky problem.

Mom of trans child again here. I want to address this post because I feel that you are trying to understand and come from a good place, but I also think you are doing harm to families and have some misinformation. First, to be clear, parents always control the decision and pace of any medical transition in any minor. A child who waits to inform parents would not be able to get medical transition and would have to wait longer because they would not have completed the pretransition steps that are required such as therapy and living full time in the gender. In any event, your concern would exist whether or not the child is outted by the school because all this policy will do is to make kids keep it to themselves longer rather than talk about it at school (none of which prevents them from doing their online research if they want).

Second, as a family facing this challenge and whose child has medically transitioned, please realize that the off hand comments like comparisons to lobotomies are extremely hurtful to us. Believe me, I did not want to have a child in this situation and was skeptical and questioning. We are doing the best we can and making decisions the best we can with love for our children at the forefront of it. We have relied on the expertise of medical professionals at the most respected medical institutions throughout. To suggest that we have (either deliberately or through stupidity) hurt our kids when you don't know that and to use the example of something that destroys people's personalities is simply mean. My child is still (and always will be) a wonderful person regardless of his body and we have always acted with the best intentions to do the best by him. If that turns out over the course of his life to be the wrong decision, I will be sad but at least I will know that we did the best we could. I would ask that you consider whether you have the same feelings about schools reporting kids when they or teachers know that the parents would likely refuse to accept their trans children or would kick out a child or (god forbid) abuse that child.

I’m the PP. Thanks for the thoughtful response. You have given me a lot to think about.

I do want to say one thing: nobody (well, nobody who isn’t insane) can ever doubt the love and caring of parents who followed the expertise and advice of the physicians who recommended medicalized transition for their children. NOBODY. I think there are a lot of questions as to how we ended up where we are now in the US, but that’s not at all a reflection of the dedication and love of parents like you for their kids. Those questions have to do with a profit-driven medical system, and are not at all about the clear and obvious love parents have for their trans kids. You are clearly and obviously a wonderful parent who had done the best possible for their child.

When I use the analogy to lobotomy, I was thinking more about the systemic faults that allowed the lobotomy to ever exist in the first place. The systemic failure that permitted the lobotomy also happened other widespread medical treatments that turned out to be very harmful overall but that started with positive and good intent: for instance, opioid clinics, or thalidomide. And it is those systemic failures that are alarming.

But I appreciate that it’s painful to hear the comparison as a parent as a trans kid, and I am not in your shoes. So, I won’t use that comparison any more. I think that there must be a way to talk rationally about some of the systemic failures in gender affirming care without comparing gender affirming care to lobotomies. And, as you correctly observe, there isn’t a loss of personality with medicalized gender affirmative care, so it’s probably a sloppy analogy anyhow even if my intent was only to talk about the systemic failures I see in both. In any event, I won’t use the comparison again.

I am very uncomfortable with the idea of teachers putting themselves forward as trusted adults with the idea of keeping secrets from parents. “Don’t tell your parents” is the prime directive of all abusers, and I’ve been uncomfortable for years with the increasingly aggressive bent towards that position that I’ve seen from schools. It does feel like there is the potential for enormous abuse here, and I don’t know how to manage that. I don’t think these rules are workable for teachers, but I also think that some schools across the country have really overstepped their boundaries.

Thanks again for the thoughtful answer. I’m not sure we will agree on everything, but I won’t use the comparison to lobotomies again.

A teacher telling a kid to keep a secret from their parents is bad, yes. A teacher complying with a kid's request to be called a certain name or use certain pronouns isn't doing that. Teachers have always served as trusted adults to kids, since forever. Demanding that schools report this stuff to parents regardless of the situation is setting kids up for abuse, rejection, and stress.

TEACHERS NEVER TELL KIDS TO KEEP SECRETS FROM THEIR FAMILIES. What the hell are you talking about??? If ANYTHING, the kids reveal stuff to us that as legally mandated reporters we *have* to pass on to admin, counselor, parents and then the kids get mad at us because they think we violated their trust. Stop acting like teachers are groomers who encourage secrecy between themselves and kids from parents, it’s literally the opposite.

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More anti-teacher sentiments from the open schools a-holes.

Then explain the teachers on here that are saying the exact opposite, that they will keep secrets from parents when it comes to students wanted to be trans at school.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the rules really that bad? Don’t socially transition a child without the parent’s knowledge and permission? Sports that are segregated by sex continue to be segregated by sex rather than gender identity?

If you're a right wing conservative and anti trans then I guess the new rules are perfectly fine.

I'm neither, but women's rights don't get trumped by biological boys who don't want to compete against other biological boys.

Mom of a straight cis girl here. I don't think she wants to share the girls bathroom with trans boys who everyone considers to be boys. What about her rights?

+1 there are moms here in VA that are listening to their girls at home say they don't want to have to change a pad or tampon with a biological boy in the next stall or have to change clothes with them in the locker room. These girls have rights too.

There were a lot of white girls uncomfortable with sharing a bathroom with black girls too. Sometimes things make us uncomfortable but that doesn't mean that it is wrong or we should make laws banning it.

I hate this racist talking point! Black women are not men! It’s not the same

+1

I could not agree more.

It is such a profoundly racist thing to say, and it is always, always something casually tossed off by white trans rights advocates. The above is not the language of Black advocates. It is the language of racist white people.

Great minds . . .

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Anonymous wrote:Are the rules really that bad? Don’t socially transition a child without the parent’s knowledge and permission? Sports that are segregated by sex continue to be segregated by sex rather than gender identity?

If you're a right wing conservative and anti trans then I guess the new rules are perfectly fine.

I'm neither, but women's rights don't get trumped by biological boys who don't want to compete against other biological boys.

Mom of a straight cis girl here. I don't think she wants to share the girls bathroom with trans boys who everyone considers to be boys. What about her rights?

+1 there are moms here in VA that are listening to their girls at home say they don't want to have to change a pad or tampon with a biological boy in the next stall or have to change clothes with them in the locker room. These girls have rights too.

There were a lot of white girls uncomfortable with sharing a bathroom with black girls too. Sometimes things make us uncomfortable but that doesn't mean that it is wrong or we should make laws banning it.

I hate this racist talking point! Black women are not men! It’s not the same

+1

I could not agree more.

It is such a profoundly racist thing to say, and it is always, always something casually tossed off by white trans rights advocates. The above is not the language of Black advocates. It is the language of racist white people.

Great minds . . .

Well, it doesn’t take a great mind to see overt racism in action. It’s astonishing to me how casual the PP is about demonstrating racism openly, but I guess I shouldn’t be surprised.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the rules really that bad? Don’t socially transition a child without the parent’s knowledge and permission? Sports that are segregated by sex continue to be segregated by sex rather than gender identity?

If you're a right wing conservative and anti trans then I guess the new rules are perfectly fine.

I'm neither, but women's rights don't get trumped by biological boys who don't want to compete against other biological boys.

Mom of a straight cis girl here. I don't think she wants to share the girls bathroom with trans boys who everyone considers to be boys. What about her rights?

+1 there are moms here in VA that are listening to their girls at home say they don't want to have to change a pad or tampon with a biological boy in the next stall or have to change clothes with them in the locker room. These girls have rights too.

There were a lot of white girls uncomfortable with sharing a bathroom with black girls too. Sometimes things make us uncomfortable but that doesn't mean that it is wrong or we should make laws banning it.

There are a lot of things that trans activists say that are morally and ethically appalling, but the way white trans activists continually exploit, attack, and undermine the femininity of Black women and girls to make their points is particularly horrific. If you are white and you can’t make your argument without using the femininity of Black girls, maybe you shouldn’t make your argument at all. Get their names out of your mouth.

THANK YOU!
Equating Black girls and women to predatory males is horrific.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the rules really that bad? Don’t socially transition a child without the parent’s knowledge and permission? Sports that are segregated by sex continue to be segregated by sex rather than gender identity?

If you're a right wing conservative and anti trans then I guess the new rules are perfectly fine.

I'm neither, but women's rights don't get trumped by biological boys who don't want to compete against other biological boys.

Mom of a straight cis girl here. I don't think she wants to share the girls bathroom with trans boys who everyone considers to be boys. What about her rights?

+1 there are moms here in VA that are listening to their girls at home say they don't want to have to change a pad or tampon with a biological boy in the next stall or have to change clothes with them in the locker room. These girls have rights too.

There were a lot of white girls uncomfortable with sharing a bathroom with black girls too. Sometimes things make us uncomfortable but that doesn't mean that it is wrong or we should make laws banning it.

There are a lot of things that trans activists say that are morally and ethically appalling, but the way white trans activists continually exploit, attack, and undermine the femininity of Black women and girls to make their points is particularly horrific. If you are white and you can’t make your argument without using the femininity of Black girls, maybe you shouldn’t make your argument at all. Get their names out of your mouth.

THANK YOU!
Equating Black girls and women to predatory males is horrific.

Do you hear yourself? You are saying that trans women are predatory? I mean, take a step back. From my end, it is disgusting for ME to see feminism being co-opted by a hate group. You use the language of feminism to cloak your bigotry but we see right through it.

Snd honestly, what you are calling racism is only so if you believe as you do--that trans folks are predatory freaks of nature. People making the comparison, however, do NOT feel that way.

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Anonymous wrote:Why can't we get emails about FCPS and strong academics surrounding STEM and preparing our children for AI, everything is equity LGBTQ+ abortions etc this isn't what we need to learn in school.

Because people are actively trying to legislate against abortion rights and LGBTQ+ people. When people start to legislate against STEM I’m sure we’ll see a reaction. Schools don’t exist in a vacuum. It’s a small community. Issues can’t just be left at the schoolhouse door.

It's not FCPS responsibility to talk about legislation agree/disagreements they are to follow what is told by VDOE and focus on education not social issues.

Schools should focus on social issues. Got it.

Sorry. My incredulousness at this got ahead of my sarcastic reply. SHOULDN’T focus on social issues. Got it.

correct focus on things that are not opinion based, like math, science etc. raising kids and their sexual orientation isn't a school matter.

But school doesn't exist in a social vacuum. From the moment kids enter school they are learning social skills socialization. I mean if anything closing for 1.5 years taught us that! Kids need schools to learn all of that stuff. They also use school to learn how to be humans.

One size doesn't fit all, my kids is going to major in STEM not liberal starbucks arts, so the later shouldnt be the focus for public school as it discreminates against the ones seeking a STEM education

I mean my kids is going to be major in STEM too. He still needs to learn how to talk to people and live in society. Do you want kids go to school with blinders on. Perhaps each kid should have their own box that they sit in at their desk. The teach can only teach them math and nothing else. NO fun. No field day. No sports. No anything other than math, reading, writing, science. They aren't allowed to talk to each other or interact. EDUCATION ONLY.

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NP. I wonder if there is a way to allow for judgment based on likelihood of medical intervention. I don’t think it’s workable to ask teachers to not call kids by their preferred names, just on a practical basis. And, I think it’s good for kids to have an outlet to experiment with identity. Who cares if Rebecca wants to be called Rex by her favorite teacher?

However, I also think it’s very problematic for schools to hide full gender transitions from parents, because of the medicalized potential outcomes. A parent can’t just find out their kid has adopted a trans identity when the child demands puberty blockers. That’s too late, and by then the child has probably absorbed a bunch of overtly wrong propaganda about medical transition. There is just so much coming out about how much misleading medical information has been promoted in the name of gender affirmative care. (Personally, given how things are going, I think that medicalized transition for youth is well on its way to being the lobotomy of our times.) It isn’t right for parents to only find out after their child has absorbed enormous amounts of misinformation about medical transitions.

Maybe there could be a judgment call: parents are notified when authorities at the school think the transition is enough that the child may ask for medical intervention. Idk, just thinking out loud and trying to bridge a tricky problem.

Mom of trans child again here. I want to address this post because I feel that you are trying to understand and come from a good place, but I also think you are doing harm to families and have some misinformation. First, to be clear, parents always control the decision and pace of any medical transition in any minor. A child who waits to inform parents would not be able to get medical transition and would have to wait longer because they would not have completed the pretransition steps that are required such as therapy and living full time in the gender. In any event, your concern would exist whether or not the child is outted by the school because all this policy will do is to make kids keep it to themselves longer rather than talk about it at school (none of which prevents them from doing their online research if they want).

Second, as a family facing this challenge and whose child has medically transitioned, please realize that the off hand comments like comparisons to lobotomies are extremely hurtful to us. Believe me, I did not want to have a child in this situation and was skeptical and questioning. We are doing the best we can and making decisions the best we can with love for our children at the forefront of it. We have relied on the expertise of medical professionals at the most respected medical institutions throughout. To suggest that we have (either deliberately or through stupidity) hurt our kids when you don't know that and to use the example of something that destroys people's personalities is simply mean. My child is still (and always will be) a wonderful person regardless of his body and we have always acted with the best intentions to do the best by him. If that turns out over the course of his life to be the wrong decision, I will be sad but at least I will know that we did the best we could. I would ask that you consider whether you have the same feelings about schools reporting kids when they or teachers know that the parents would likely refuse to accept their trans children or would kick out a child or (god forbid) abuse that child.

I’m the PP. Thanks for the thoughtful response. You have given me a lot to think about.

I do want to say one thing: nobody (well, nobody who isn’t insane) can ever doubt the love and caring of parents who followed the expertise and advice of the physicians who recommended medicalized transition for their children. NOBODY. I think there are a lot of questions as to how we ended up where we are now in the US, but that’s not at all a reflection of the dedication and love of parents like you for their kids. Those questions have to do with a profit-driven medical system, and are not at all about the clear and obvious love parents have for their trans kids. You are clearly and obviously a wonderful parent who had done the best possible for their child.

When I use the analogy to lobotomy, I was thinking more about the systemic faults that allowed the lobotomy to ever exist in the first place. The systemic failure that permitted the lobotomy also happened other widespread medical treatments that turned out to be very harmful overall but that started with positive and good intent: for instance, opioid clinics, or thalidomide. And it is those systemic failures that are alarming.

But I appreciate that it’s painful to hear the comparison as a parent as a trans kid, and I am not in your shoes. So, I won’t use that comparison any more. I think that there must be a way to talk rationally about some of the systemic failures in gender affirming care without comparing gender affirming care to lobotomies. And, as you correctly observe, there isn’t a loss of personality with medicalized gender affirmative care, so it’s probably a sloppy analogy anyhow even if my intent was only to talk about the systemic failures I see in both. In any event, I won’t use the comparison again.

I am very uncomfortable with the idea of teachers putting themselves forward as trusted adults with the idea of keeping secrets from parents. “Don’t tell your parents” is the prime directive of all abusers, and I’ve been uncomfortable for years with the increasingly aggressive bent towards that position that I’ve seen from schools. It does feel like there is the potential for enormous abuse here, and I don’t know how to manage that. I don’t think these rules are workable for teachers, but I also think that some schools across the country have really overstepped their boundaries.

Thanks again for the thoughtful answer. I’m not sure we will agree on everything, but I won’t use the comparison to lobotomies again.

A teacher telling a kid to keep a secret from their parents is bad, yes. A teacher complying with a kid's request to be called a certain name or use certain pronouns isn't doing that. Teachers have always served as trusted adults to kids, since forever. Demanding that schools report this stuff to parents regardless of the situation is setting kids up for abuse, rejection, and stress.

TEACHERS NEVER TELL KIDS TO KEEP SECRETS FROM THEIR FAMILIES. What the hell are you talking about??? If ANYTHING, the kids reveal stuff to us that as legally mandated reporters we *have* to pass on to admin, counselor, parents and then the kids get mad at us because they think we violated their trust. Stop acting like teachers are groomers who encourage secrecy between themselves and kids from parents, it’s literally the opposite.

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More anti-teacher sentiments from the open schools a-holes.

Then explain the teachers on here that are saying the exact opposite, that they will keep secrets from parents when it comes to students wanted to be trans at school.

Me: okay let me take attendance. Charlotte?
Charlotte: here but I go by Charlie
Me: ok
You: YOURE KEEPING SECRETS

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Anonymous wrote:Are the rules really that bad? Don’t socially transition a child without the parent’s knowledge and permission? Sports that are segregated by sex continue to be segregated by sex rather than gender identity?

If you're a right wing conservative and anti trans then I guess the new rules are perfectly fine.

I'm neither, but women's rights don't get trumped by biological boys who don't want to compete against other biological boys.

Mom of a straight cis girl here. I don't think she wants to share the girls bathroom with trans boys who everyone considers to be boys. What about her rights?

+1 there are moms here in VA that are listening to their girls at home say they don't want to have to change a pad or tampon with a biological boy in the next stall or have to change clothes with them in the locker room. These girls have rights too.

There were a lot of white girls uncomfortable with sharing a bathroom with black girls too. Sometimes things make us uncomfortable but that doesn't mean that it is wrong or we should make laws banning it.

There are a lot of things that trans activists say that are morally and ethically appalling, but the way white trans activists continually exploit, attack, and undermine the femininity of Black women and girls to make their points is particularly horrific. If you are white and you can’t make your argument without using the femininity of Black girls, maybe you shouldn’t make your argument at all. Get their names out of your mouth.

THANK YOU!
Equating Black girls and women to predatory males is horrific.

DP. We're talking about middle school and high school kids here, trans girls and trans boys. Not "predatory males".

Coopting white guilt to promote trans kids isn't right. But neither is calling a 14 year old trans girl predatory.

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Anonymous wrote:Are the rules really that bad? Don’t socially transition a child without the parent’s knowledge and permission? Sports that are segregated by sex continue to be segregated by sex rather than gender identity?

If you're a right wing conservative and anti trans then I guess the new rules are perfectly fine.

I'm neither, but women's rights don't get trumped by biological boys who don't want to compete against other biological boys.

Mom of a straight cis girl here. I don't think she wants to share the girls bathroom with trans boys who everyone considers to be boys. What about her rights?

+1 there are moms here in VA that are listening to their girls at home say they don't want to have to change a pad or tampon with a biological boy in the next stall or have to change clothes with them in the locker room. These girls have rights too.

There were a lot of white girls uncomfortable with sharing a bathroom with black girls too. Sometimes things make us uncomfortable but that doesn't mean that it is wrong or we should make laws banning it.

There are a lot of things that trans activists say that are morally and ethically appalling, but the way white trans activists continually exploit, attack, and undermine the femininity of Black women and girls to make their points is particularly horrific. If you are white and you can’t make your argument without using the femininity of Black girls, maybe you shouldn’t make your argument at all. Get their names out of your mouth.

I am not sure what this has to do with feminity of black girls. I mean white men were uncomfortable going to school with black men too. Is that better? White people were uncomfortable going to school with black people. HECK my dad was also told he couldn't go to the college he wanted to because they had too many jews. Just saying folks have been uncomfortable going to school or the bathroom or whatever with people for as long as America has been America. It doesn't mean we listen.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2023/07/18/virginia-transgender-student-model-policies-youngkin/

Will NOVA school districts follow VDOE's new model policies for trans kids?

Is there a basis to challenge this legally? Will districts challenge it? Will the feds step in?

Discuss.

So anyway…

Some school districts will and some won’t? Yes, I think there is a basis to challenge this and if it moves through the courts transgender rights will prevail. I don’t think the feds will challenge it in support of schools at a district level.

I don’t know what to tell you. Ask yourself if you are going to be effected on a daily basis by trans rights legislation. How will this prevent you from living your most authentic life? Are you “protecting” your children or are you scared of what exactly?

Yes, parents are scared. And I think the pendulum has reached maximum and is swinging back the other way now. Sounds like you'll be on the wrong side of this one.

Scared of what?

In more left-wing states sex ed standards have been altered drastically. In Illinois, starting in grade 3 PUBERTY BLOCKERS are a required part of the curriculum:

Grades 3-5
Explain common human sexual development and the role of hormones (e.g. romantic and sexual feelings, masturbation, mood swings, timing of pubertal onset).
Describe the role hormones play in the physical, social, cognitive, and emotional changes during adolescence and the potential role of hormone blockers on young people who identify as transgender.
Define and explain differences between cisgender, transgender, gender nonbinary, gender expansive and gender identity. Explain that gender expression and gender identity exist along a spectrum.
Differentiate between sexual orientation and gender identity.

Now you tell me what 9 or 10 year old girl doesn't learn about puberty, feel uneasy, then in the very same lesson learns that there is medicine she can take to postpone the changes. What young girl wouldn't want that deal? To be a child a little longer? NOT to be a man or a boy, but to stay a child.
Children have no idea about the damage these drugs could do and it is totally irresponsible to talk them up in school. If I had girls I'd be scared.

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I am 100% positive that the person who compared trans girls to Black girls is not Black.

That’s a racist line that person should never, ever cross, but because of the endemic racism of many trans rights advocates, the poster didn’t even think about it, but went right ahead and colonized and used the experience of Black girls. It happens all the time in the trans rights movement, and it’s wrong. And it’s okay to call that out.

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Anonymous wrote:I am 100% positive that the person who compared trans girls to Black girls is not Black.

That’s a racist line that person should never, ever cross, but because of the endemic racism of many trans rights advocates, the poster didn’t even think about it, but went right ahead and colonized and used the experience of Black girls. It happens all the time in the trans rights movement, and it’s wrong. And it’s okay to call that out.

DP. You're doing it too, there.

We all should think about our language and words. And whether we should be using them.