Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School

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Anonymous wrote:Hardy: 327 right-grade kids living in the Hardy boundary. 531 kids attend Hardy total. Seventeen kids IB for Hardy attend BASIS. No matter how you slice it, that isn't much. 17/327=5.2%. Wow!

Stuart-Hobson: 368 right-grade kids live IB. 508 kids total attend Stuart-Hobson. 54 kids IB for Stuart-Hobson attend BASIS. So BASIS is capturing about 15% of kids IB for Stuart-Hobson, and a much smaller percentage of the kids who attend Stuart-Hobson.

Eliot-Hine: 483 kids live in the boundary. 317 kids attend Eliot-Hine. 36 kids IB for Eliot-Hine attend BASIS. So about 7.5%. BASIS is the fourth most popular middle school for kids IB for Eliot-Hine, after EH, Friendship Blow-Pierce, and Stuart-Hobson. Wow, I'm so impressed, BASIS boosters!

Jefferson: 492 kids live in the boundary. 375 kids attend Jefferson total. 47 kids IB for Jefferson attend BASIS. Good going, BASIS, you're almost at 10% of kids IB for Jefferson!

McKinley Middle: 650 kids live in the boundary (wow). 10 attend BASIS. That's amazing, I really thought it would be higher! Major congrats, BASIS, on being tied for 20th-most-popular middle school for the Bloomingdale, Eckington, Edgewood, and part of Brookland community! BASIS attracts fewer kids from this boundary than ITS, TRY, Howard, Deal(!), Hardy(!), Stuart-Hobson, and Jefferson. Tell me again, are allllll of these kids lottery losers or too dumb to survive at BASIS?

This is literally the dumbest argument, and the reason it's dumb has been explained to you over and over, so you're clearly failing to understand on purpose.

BASIS is a relatively small school, and it can only "capture" students up to how many kids it's able to admit. So of course you're going to have 10% of one school, 7% of another school, etc. It also makes sense that schools with boundaries that are farther away (e.g. Hardy, McKinley) will have fewer families choosing BASIS than schools that are closer to the BASIS campus (e.g. SH), purely for commute reasons.

You don't have to like BASIS. Nobody cares. You clearly have a gigantic chip on your shoulder because BASIS is drawing kids away from EH. That's going to happen, because BASIS has a strong high school, and EH feeds into Eastern, which is a dead end for most people.

Maybe instead of spending all your time trying to convince folks that BASIS is unpopular (which has been debunked by multiple posters in this thread and is super weird), you can go do some teacher appreciation for the EH teachers. Time better spent.

Nobody said Basis isn’t popular. It’s going to become less popular on the Hill as EH strengthens, and that’s just a fact. There just are not people lining up to choose Basis over a solid IB.

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Anonymous wrote:The same dumb person is posting over and over again and somehow still doesn’t understand that the number of enrolled kids from a particular IB school does not equal the number of families who were attracted to BASIS and would have gone if they had gotten in. Because it’s a lottery school, we will never know.

But also, WHO CARES???

It’s almost like they’re IB for Elliot Hine, didn’t get into BASIS, and are trying to justify their butthurt…

We don’t have the application data. But based on my numerous conversations with parents, those that affirmatively prefer Basis are few. Good for them. More prefer their IB if they feel confident in it, and as EH improves, more feel confident in it. And this goes for other charters (TR etc). I do think more would pick Latin over EH mainly due to the HS still.

First of all, you’re either lying or people know you’re a wacky EH evangelist so they’re telling you what you want to hear. Second, my kids are at a school that feeds to EH and I can’t think of a single person who didn’t try to lottery into Latin/BASIS. We lost an entire class (of 2) to Latin and BASIS after 4th last year. Even the one mom who loudly talked about supporting neighborhood schools ended up sending her kid to BASIS. And she was IB for Stuart Hobson with the option to send to either SH or EH.

Not lying at all. The numbers going from Maury (27 last year) and bigger 5th grade classes tell the story. Yes many will still do the lottery and take the spots, but there are people (raise hand!) who don’t even try for Basis. It’s changing. People want to send their kids to the school down the street if they can.

(And of course my point was about all charters not just Basis. Unlike just a few years ago, EH is more appealing than ITS or TR.)

Is it?

Sincerely,
ITS parent.

No dog in this fight, but I think the PP is overstating things. I think EH is on an upward trajectory, but ITS is way more of a sure thing still. 2R I think is different. I would no longer send my kids there after how much of a mess the last few years have been.

I don’t think the ITS scores are much better than EH, and it’s much better to walk to school. I turned down ITS.

I am an ITS parent who is staying, and yes, the scores are not super wow at either school. If my kid were graduating from Maury I wouldn't go to ITS unless the kid were really really unhappy with EH for some reason. And I wouldn't go from ITS to EH unless there were a specific compelling reason. Which isn't to say it's a bad school, it's just that you get settled in with a friend group and a feeder pattern and the schools are programatically different but I'm not sure there's much of a quality difference overall.

I totally agree with you!

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Anonymous wrote:The same dumb person is posting over and over again and somehow still doesn’t understand that the number of enrolled kids from a particular IB school does not equal the number of families who were attracted to BASIS and would have gone if they had gotten in. Because it’s a lottery school, we will never know.

But also, WHO CARES???

It’s almost like they’re IB for Elliot Hine, didn’t get into BASIS, and are trying to justify their butthurt…

We don’t have the application data. But based on my numerous conversations with parents, those that affirmatively prefer Basis are few. Good for them. More prefer their IB if they feel confident in it, and as EH improves, more feel confident in it. And this goes for other charters (TR etc). I do think more would pick Latin over EH mainly due to the HS still.

First of all, you’re either lying or people know you’re a wacky EH evangelist so they’re telling you what you want to hear. Second, my kids are at a school that feeds to EH and I can’t think of a single person who didn’t try to lottery into Latin/BASIS. We lost an entire class (of 2) to Latin and BASIS after 4th last year. Even the one mom who loudly talked about supporting neighborhood schools ended up sending her kid to BASIS. And she was IB for Stuart Hobson with the option to send to either SH or EH.

Not lying at all. The numbers going from Maury (27 last year) and bigger 5th grade classes tell the story. Yes many will still do the lottery and take the spots, but there are people (raise hand!) who don’t even try for Basis. It’s changing. People want to send their kids to the school down the street if they can.

(And of course my point was about all charters not just Basis. Unlike just a few years ago, EH is more appealing than ITS or TR.)

Is it?

Sincerely,
ITS parent.

No dog in this fight, but I think the PP is overstating things. I think EH is on an upward trajectory, but ITS is way more of a sure thing still. 2R I think is different. I would no longer send my kids there after how much of a mess the last few years have been.

I don’t think the ITS scores are much better than EH, and it’s much better to walk to school. I turned down ITS.

I am an ITS parent who is staying, and yes, the scores are not super wow at either school. If my kid were graduating from Maury I wouldn't go to ITS unless the kid were really really unhappy with EH for some reason. And I wouldn't go from ITS to EH unless there were a specific compelling reason. Which isn't to say it's a bad school, it's just that you get settled in with a friend group and a feeder pattern and the schools are programatically different but I'm not sure there's much of a quality difference overall.

I totally agree with you!

I will say, though, that your efforts at EH do not go unnoticed, even by people unlikely to move from their current school. I know what it is to believe in a DCPS school and work hard for it-- and how much work it truly is. My very best wishes for your DC and all the families at EH!

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Anonymous wrote:Hardy: 327 right-grade kids living in the Hardy boundary. 531 kids attend Hardy total. Seventeen kids IB for Hardy attend BASIS. No matter how you slice it, that isn't much. 17/327=5.2%. Wow!

Stuart-Hobson: 368 right-grade kids live IB. 508 kids total attend Stuart-Hobson. 54 kids IB for Stuart-Hobson attend BASIS. So BASIS is capturing about 15% of kids IB for Stuart-Hobson, and a much smaller percentage of the kids who attend Stuart-Hobson.

Eliot-Hine: 483 kids live in the boundary. 317 kids attend Eliot-Hine. 36 kids IB for Eliot-Hine attend BASIS. So about 7.5%. BASIS is the fourth most popular middle school for kids IB for Eliot-Hine, after EH, Friendship Blow-Pierce, and Stuart-Hobson. Wow, I'm so impressed, BASIS boosters!

Jefferson: 492 kids live in the boundary. 375 kids attend Jefferson total. 47 kids IB for Jefferson attend BASIS. Good going, BASIS, you're almost at 10% of kids IB for Jefferson!

McKinley Middle: 650 kids live in the boundary (wow). 10 attend BASIS. That's amazing, I really thought it would be higher! Major congrats, BASIS, on being tied for 20th-most-popular middle school for the Bloomingdale, Eckington, Edgewood, and part of Brookland community! BASIS attracts fewer kids from this boundary than ITS, TRY, Howard, Deal(!), Hardy(!), Stuart-Hobson, and Jefferson. Tell me again, are allllll of these kids lottery losers or too dumb to survive at BASIS?

This is literally the dumbest argument, and the reason it's dumb has been explained to you over and over, so you're clearly failing to understand on purpose.

BASIS is a relatively small school, and it can only "capture" students up to how many kids it's able to admit. So of course you're going to have 10% of one school, 7% of another school, etc. It also makes sense that schools with boundaries that are farther away (e.g. Hardy, McKinley) will have fewer families choosing BASIS than schools that are closer to the BASIS campus (e.g. SH), purely for commute reasons.

You don't have to like BASIS. Nobody cares. You clearly have a gigantic chip on your shoulder because BASIS is drawing kids away from EH. That's going to happen, because BASIS has a strong high school, and EH feeds into Eastern, which is a dead end for most people.

Maybe instead of spending all your time trying to convince folks that BASIS is unpopular (which has been debunked by multiple posters in this thread and is super weird), you can go do some teacher appreciation for the EH teachers. Time better spent.

I am really, really not an EH parent! I'm the parent of a 4th grader who did not apply to BASIS, because I don't think BASIS is actually that great. When BASIS boosters make assertions that aren't supported by the data, I object to it because this site should be a source of accurate information. Yes, BASIS should be expected to have students from many schools and not a lot of students from any one school. But still. If it were really that great a school it would have more applicants. Like Latin 2nd! And it wouldn't make as many offers-- again, like Latin 2nd. You have more traction with Stuart-Hobson, but to assert that a lot of Deal and Hardy parents are interested in BASIS is simply not supported by the data.

Disagree. BASIS is both a rigorous academic program and children have to pass comps in order to advance. That results in fewer people applying, because they are not confident their child can handle it (or don't want their child to have to be able to handle it). Whatever the reasons, the personal choices of the folks applying to the school have nothing to do with the conclusion you're drawing: that it's not "that great a school."

Compare the test scores of Latin/Latin 2 and BASIS. BASIS is clearly superior academically.

No it isn't. The retention policy at BASIS puts off people who aren't as strong academically. That's not the same thing as actually being a better school with better teachers and more learning.

Sincerely, a parent of a very academically strong student who has zero interest in BASIS.

Since this is a thread about data, cite your data for this claim. Here's some to consider:

BASIS Middle School PARCC:

Math: 65%
ELA: 80%

Latin Middle School PARCC:

Math: 48%
ELA: 63%

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Anonymous wrote:Hardy: 327 right-grade kids living in the Hardy boundary. 531 kids attend Hardy total. Seventeen kids IB for Hardy attend BASIS. No matter how you slice it, that isn't much. 17/327=5.2%. Wow!

Stuart-Hobson: 368 right-grade kids live IB. 508 kids total attend Stuart-Hobson. 54 kids IB for Stuart-Hobson attend BASIS. So BASIS is capturing about 15% of kids IB for Stuart-Hobson, and a much smaller percentage of the kids who attend Stuart-Hobson.

Eliot-Hine: 483 kids live in the boundary. 317 kids attend Eliot-Hine. 36 kids IB for Eliot-Hine attend BASIS. So about 7.5%. BASIS is the fourth most popular middle school for kids IB for Eliot-Hine, after EH, Friendship Blow-Pierce, and Stuart-Hobson. Wow, I'm so impressed, BASIS boosters!

Jefferson: 492 kids live in the boundary. 375 kids attend Jefferson total. 47 kids IB for Jefferson attend BASIS. Good going, BASIS, you're almost at 10% of kids IB for Jefferson!

McKinley Middle: 650 kids live in the boundary (wow). 10 attend BASIS. That's amazing, I really thought it would be higher! Major congrats, BASIS, on being tied for 20th-most-popular middle school for the Bloomingdale, Eckington, Edgewood, and part of Brookland community! BASIS attracts fewer kids from this boundary than ITS, TRY, Howard, Deal(!), Hardy(!), Stuart-Hobson, and Jefferson. Tell me again, are allllll of these kids lottery losers or too dumb to survive at BASIS?

This is literally the dumbest argument, and the reason it's dumb has been explained to you over and over, so you're clearly failing to understand on purpose.

BASIS is a relatively small school, and it can only "capture" students up to how many kids it's able to admit. So of course you're going to have 10% of one school, 7% of another school, etc. It also makes sense that schools with boundaries that are farther away (e.g. Hardy, McKinley) will have fewer families choosing BASIS than schools that are closer to the BASIS campus (e.g. SH), purely for commute reasons.

You don't have to like BASIS. Nobody cares. You clearly have a gigantic chip on your shoulder because BASIS is drawing kids away from EH. That's going to happen, because BASIS has a strong high school, and EH feeds into Eastern, which is a dead end for most people.

Maybe instead of spending all your time trying to convince folks that BASIS is unpopular (which has been debunked by multiple posters in this thread and is super weird), you can go do some teacher appreciation for the EH teachers. Time better spent.

Nobody said Basis isn’t popular. It’s going to become less popular on the Hill as EH strengthens, and that’s just a fact. There just are not people lining up to choose Basis over a solid IB.

Until there is a strong high school option, this will not be true. Particularly if DCPS doesn't get its act together with Walls.

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Anonymous wrote:Hardy: 327 right-grade kids living in the Hardy boundary. 531 kids attend Hardy total. Seventeen kids IB for Hardy attend BASIS. No matter how you slice it, that isn't much. 17/327=5.2%. Wow!

Stuart-Hobson: 368 right-grade kids live IB. 508 kids total attend Stuart-Hobson. 54 kids IB for Stuart-Hobson attend BASIS. So BASIS is capturing about 15% of kids IB for Stuart-Hobson, and a much smaller percentage of the kids who attend Stuart-Hobson.

Eliot-Hine: 483 kids live in the boundary. 317 kids attend Eliot-Hine. 36 kids IB for Eliot-Hine attend BASIS. So about 7.5%. BASIS is the fourth most popular middle school for kids IB for Eliot-Hine, after EH, Friendship Blow-Pierce, and Stuart-Hobson. Wow, I'm so impressed, BASIS boosters!

Jefferson: 492 kids live in the boundary. 375 kids attend Jefferson total. 47 kids IB for Jefferson attend BASIS. Good going, BASIS, you're almost at 10% of kids IB for Jefferson!

McKinley Middle: 650 kids live in the boundary (wow). 10 attend BASIS. That's amazing, I really thought it would be higher! Major congrats, BASIS, on being tied for 20th-most-popular middle school for the Bloomingdale, Eckington, Edgewood, and part of Brookland community! BASIS attracts fewer kids from this boundary than ITS, TRY, Howard, Deal(!), Hardy(!), Stuart-Hobson, and Jefferson. Tell me again, are allllll of these kids lottery losers or too dumb to survive at BASIS?

This is literally the dumbest argument, and the reason it's dumb has been explained to you over and over, so you're clearly failing to understand on purpose.

BASIS is a relatively small school, and it can only "capture" students up to how many kids it's able to admit. So of course you're going to have 10% of one school, 7% of another school, etc. It also makes sense that schools with boundaries that are farther away (e.g. Hardy, McKinley) will have fewer families choosing BASIS than schools that are closer to the BASIS campus (e.g. SH), purely for commute reasons.

You don't have to like BASIS. Nobody cares. You clearly have a gigantic chip on your shoulder because BASIS is drawing kids away from EH. That's going to happen, because BASIS has a strong high school, and EH feeds into Eastern, which is a dead end for most people.

Maybe instead of spending all your time trying to convince folks that BASIS is unpopular (which has been debunked by multiple posters in this thread and is super weird), you can go do some teacher appreciation for the EH teachers. Time better spent.

I am really, really not an EH parent! I'm the parent of a 4th grader who did not apply to BASIS, because I don't think BASIS is actually that great. When BASIS boosters make assertions that aren't supported by the data, I object to it because this site should be a source of accurate information. Yes, BASIS should be expected to have students from many schools and not a lot of students from any one school. But still. If it were really that great a school it would have more applicants. Like Latin 2nd! And it wouldn't make as many offers-- again, like Latin 2nd. You have more traction with Stuart-Hobson, but to assert that a lot of Deal and Hardy parents are interested in BASIS is simply not supported by the data.

Disagree. BASIS is both a rigorous academic program and children have to pass comps in order to advance. That results in fewer people applying, because they are not confident their child can handle it (or don't want their child to have to be able to handle it). Whatever the reasons, the personal choices of the folks applying to the school have nothing to do with the conclusion you're drawing: that it's not "that great a school."

Compare the test scores of Latin/Latin 2 and BASIS. BASIS is clearly superior academically.

No it isn't. The retention policy at BASIS puts off people who aren't as strong academically. That's not the same thing as actually being a better school with better teachers and more learning.

Sincerely, a parent of a very academically strong student who has zero interest in BASIS.

Since this is a thread about data, cite your data for this claim. Here's some to consider:

BASIS Middle School PARCC:

Math: 65%
ELA: 80%

Latin Middle School PARCC:

Math: 48%
ELA: 63%

Right, as I said, I know the PARCC scores are higher, but I don't think that reflects the quality of the teaching. Also, Latin has the Equitable Access preference. (Another reason to be underwhelmed with BASIS-- what good scores they have (not actually that good!) are the result of shirking the more difficult work).

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Whatever with all of you arguing like crabs in a barrel. Everyone does what makes the most sense for their child and family, within the limited public options.

Here's a new question: If Maury families are sticking together and going to EH more than ever before, how many years until Eastern is actually a strong academic school? How long until SWS gets on board with ANY neighborhood middle school?

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever with all of you arguing like crabs in a barrel. Everyone does what makes the most sense for their child and family, within the limited public options.

Here's a new question: If Maury families are sticking together and going to EH more than ever before, how many years until Eastern is actually a strong academic school? How long until SWS gets on board with ANY neighborhood middle school?

I think it's impossible to predict those things. Too much depends on external factors such as principal quality, DCPS choices, charter options, and random lottery luck. You can make EH the best it can be, so that every student matriculating to Eastern is as prepared as they possibly can be. Maury families hanging together is great, but you have to deliver the highest quality middle school possible for all kids and all levels. Try to influence the stream of kids actually attending Eastern.

If a high school starts seeming good quality, people will want to attend from all over the city. It's an uphill climb to produce good stats while welcoming kids from so many underperforming middle schools.

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All of the Maury students at EH can't go to Walls and DE. . .

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Anonymous wrote:Hardy: 327 right-grade kids living in the Hardy boundary. 531 kids attend Hardy total. Seventeen kids IB for Hardy attend BASIS. No matter how you slice it, that isn't much. 17/327=5.2%. Wow!

Stuart-Hobson: 368 right-grade kids live IB. 508 kids total attend Stuart-Hobson. 54 kids IB for Stuart-Hobson attend BASIS. So BASIS is capturing about 15% of kids IB for Stuart-Hobson, and a much smaller percentage of the kids who attend Stuart-Hobson.

Eliot-Hine: 483 kids live in the boundary. 317 kids attend Eliot-Hine. 36 kids IB for Eliot-Hine attend BASIS. So about 7.5%. BASIS is the fourth most popular middle school for kids IB for Eliot-Hine, after EH, Friendship Blow-Pierce, and Stuart-Hobson. Wow, I'm so impressed, BASIS boosters!

Jefferson: 492 kids live in the boundary. 375 kids attend Jefferson total. 47 kids IB for Jefferson attend BASIS. Good going, BASIS, you're almost at 10% of kids IB for Jefferson!

McKinley Middle: 650 kids live in the boundary (wow). 10 attend BASIS. That's amazing, I really thought it would be higher! Major congrats, BASIS, on being tied for 20th-most-popular middle school for the Bloomingdale, Eckington, Edgewood, and part of Brookland community! BASIS attracts fewer kids from this boundary than ITS, TRY, Howard, Deal(!), Hardy(!), Stuart-Hobson, and Jefferson. Tell me again, are allllll of these kids lottery losers or too dumb to survive at BASIS?

This is literally the dumbest argument, and the reason it's dumb has been explained to you over and over, so you're clearly failing to understand on purpose.

BASIS is a relatively small school, and it can only "capture" students up to how many kids it's able to admit. So of course you're going to have 10% of one school, 7% of another school, etc. It also makes sense that schools with boundaries that are farther away (e.g. Hardy, McKinley) will have fewer families choosing BASIS than schools that are closer to the BASIS campus (e.g. SH), purely for commute reasons.

You don't have to like BASIS. Nobody cares. You clearly have a gigantic chip on your shoulder because BASIS is drawing kids away from EH. That's going to happen, because BASIS has a strong high school, and EH feeds into Eastern, which is a dead end for most people.

Maybe instead of spending all your time trying to convince folks that BASIS is unpopular (which has been debunked by multiple posters in this thread and is super weird), you can go do some teacher appreciation for the EH teachers. Time better spent.

I am really, really not an EH parent! I'm the parent of a 4th grader who did not apply to BASIS, because I don't think BASIS is actually that great. When BASIS boosters make assertions that aren't supported by the data, I object to it because this site should be a source of accurate information. Yes, BASIS should be expected to have students from many schools and not a lot of students from any one school. But still. If it were really that great a school it would have more applicants. Like Latin 2nd! And it wouldn't make as many offers-- again, like Latin 2nd. You have more traction with Stuart-Hobson, but to assert that a lot of Deal and Hardy parents are interested in BASIS is simply not supported by the data.

Disagree. BASIS is both a rigorous academic program and children have to pass comps in order to advance. That results in fewer people applying, because they are not confident their child can handle it (or don't want their child to have to be able to handle it). Whatever the reasons, the personal choices of the folks applying to the school have nothing to do with the conclusion you're drawing: that it's not "that great a school."

Compare the test scores of Latin/Latin 2 and BASIS. BASIS is clearly superior academically.

No it isn't. The retention policy at BASIS puts off people who aren't as strong academically. That's not the same thing as actually being a better school with better teachers and more learning.

Sincerely, a parent of a very academically strong student who has zero interest in BASIS.

Since this is a thread about data, cite your data for this claim. Here's some to consider:

BASIS Middle School PARCC:

Math: 65%
ELA: 80%

Latin Middle School PARCC:

Math: 48%
ELA: 63%

Right, as I said, I know the PARCC scores are higher, but I don't think that reflects the quality of the teaching. Also, Latin has the Equitable Access preference. (Another reason to be underwhelmed with BASIS-- what good scores they have (not actually that good!) are the result of shirking the more difficult work).

So let me get this straight. By your own admission, you have no actual experience with BASIS. It's unclear if you have any actual experience with Latin. You admit that BASIS has significantly higher test scores. But somehow the quality of the teaching is still better at Latin... because #reasons.

Also, FYI, Latin has only had the equitable access seats for one year. And they only offered 15 seats. And those kids have not taken the PARCC yet. So that has zero impact on the test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Hardy: 327 right-grade kids living in the Hardy boundary. 531 kids attend Hardy total. Seventeen kids IB for Hardy attend BASIS. No matter how you slice it, that isn't much. 17/327=5.2%. Wow!

Stuart-Hobson: 368 right-grade kids live IB. 508 kids total attend Stuart-Hobson. 54 kids IB for Stuart-Hobson attend BASIS. So BASIS is capturing about 15% of kids IB for Stuart-Hobson, and a much smaller percentage of the kids who attend Stuart-Hobson.

Eliot-Hine: 483 kids live in the boundary. 317 kids attend Eliot-Hine. 36 kids IB for Eliot-Hine attend BASIS. So about 7.5%. BASIS is the fourth most popular middle school for kids IB for Eliot-Hine, after EH, Friendship Blow-Pierce, and Stuart-Hobson. Wow, I'm so impressed, BASIS boosters!

Jefferson: 492 kids live in the boundary. 375 kids attend Jefferson total. 47 kids IB for Jefferson attend BASIS. Good going, BASIS, you're almost at 10% of kids IB for Jefferson!

McKinley Middle: 650 kids live in the boundary (wow). 10 attend BASIS. That's amazing, I really thought it would be higher! Major congrats, BASIS, on being tied for 20th-most-popular middle school for the Bloomingdale, Eckington, Edgewood, and part of Brookland community! BASIS attracts fewer kids from this boundary than ITS, TRY, Howard, Deal(!), Hardy(!), Stuart-Hobson, and Jefferson. Tell me again, are allllll of these kids lottery losers or too dumb to survive at BASIS?

This is literally the dumbest argument, and the reason it's dumb has been explained to you over and over, so you're clearly failing to understand on purpose.

BASIS is a relatively small school, and it can only "capture" students up to how many kids it's able to admit. So of course you're going to have 10% of one school, 7% of another school, etc. It also makes sense that schools with boundaries that are farther away (e.g. Hardy, McKinley) will have fewer families choosing BASIS than schools that are closer to the BASIS campus (e.g. SH), purely for commute reasons.

You don't have to like BASIS. Nobody cares. You clearly have a gigantic chip on your shoulder because BASIS is drawing kids away from EH. That's going to happen, because BASIS has a strong high school, and EH feeds into Eastern, which is a dead end for most people.

Maybe instead of spending all your time trying to convince folks that BASIS is unpopular (which has been debunked by multiple posters in this thread and is super weird), you can go do some teacher appreciation for the EH teachers. Time better spent.

I am really, really not an EH parent! I'm the parent of a 4th grader who did not apply to BASIS, because I don't think BASIS is actually that great. When BASIS boosters make assertions that aren't supported by the data, I object to it because this site should be a source of accurate information. Yes, BASIS should be expected to have students from many schools and not a lot of students from any one school. But still. If it were really that great a school it would have more applicants. Like Latin 2nd! And it wouldn't make as many offers-- again, like Latin 2nd. You have more traction with Stuart-Hobson, but to assert that a lot of Deal and Hardy parents are interested in BASIS is simply not supported by the data.

Disagree. BASIS is both a rigorous academic program and children have to pass comps in order to advance. That results in fewer people applying, because they are not confident their child can handle it (or don't want their child to have to be able to handle it). Whatever the reasons, the personal choices of the folks applying to the school have nothing to do with the conclusion you're drawing: that it's not "that great a school."

Compare the test scores of Latin/Latin 2 and BASIS. BASIS is clearly superior academically.

No it isn't. The retention policy at BASIS puts off people who aren't as strong academically. That's not the same thing as actually being a better school with better teachers and more learning.

Sincerely, a parent of a very academically strong student who has zero interest in BASIS.

Since this is a thread about data, cite your data for this claim. Here's some to consider:

BASIS Middle School PARCC:

Math: 65%
ELA: 80%

Latin Middle School PARCC:

Math: 48%
ELA: 63%

Right, as I said, I know the PARCC scores are higher, but I don't think that reflects the quality of the teaching. Also, Latin has the Equitable Access preference. (Another reason to be underwhelmed with BASIS-- what good scores they have (not actually that good!) are the result of shirking the more difficult work).

So let me get this straight. By your own admission, you have no actual experience with BASIS. It's unclear if you have any actual experience with Latin. You admit that BASIS has significantly higher test scores. But somehow the quality of the teaching is still better at Latin... because #reasons.

Also, FYI, Latin has only had the equitable access seats for one year. And they only offered 15 seats. And those kids have not taken the PARCC yet. So that has zero impact on the test scores.

The difference is the retention policy, which motivates people to leave/not apply. That affects the scores but it is not an indicator of quality. And I care about the EA policy for what it says about the mission of the school. Not because I think it is already influencing test scores.

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Anonymous wrote:Hardy: 327 right-grade kids living in the Hardy boundary. 531 kids attend Hardy total. Seventeen kids IB for Hardy attend BASIS. No matter how you slice it, that isn't much. 17/327=5.2%. Wow!

Stuart-Hobson: 368 right-grade kids live IB. 508 kids total attend Stuart-Hobson. 54 kids IB for Stuart-Hobson attend BASIS. So BASIS is capturing about 15% of kids IB for Stuart-Hobson, and a much smaller percentage of the kids who attend Stuart-Hobson.

Eliot-Hine: 483 kids live in the boundary. 317 kids attend Eliot-Hine. 36 kids IB for Eliot-Hine attend BASIS. So about 7.5%. BASIS is the fourth most popular middle school for kids IB for Eliot-Hine, after EH, Friendship Blow-Pierce, and Stuart-Hobson. Wow, I'm so impressed, BASIS boosters!

Jefferson: 492 kids live in the boundary. 375 kids attend Jefferson total. 47 kids IB for Jefferson attend BASIS. Good going, BASIS, you're almost at 10% of kids IB for Jefferson!

McKinley Middle: 650 kids live in the boundary (wow). 10 attend BASIS. That's amazing, I really thought it would be higher! Major congrats, BASIS, on being tied for 20th-most-popular middle school for the Bloomingdale, Eckington, Edgewood, and part of Brookland community! BASIS attracts fewer kids from this boundary than ITS, TRY, Howard, Deal(!), Hardy(!), Stuart-Hobson, and Jefferson. Tell me again, are allllll of these kids lottery losers or too dumb to survive at BASIS?

This is literally the dumbest argument, and the reason it's dumb has been explained to you over and over, so you're clearly failing to understand on purpose.

BASIS is a relatively small school, and it can only "capture" students up to how many kids it's able to admit. So of course you're going to have 10% of one school, 7% of another school, etc. It also makes sense that schools with boundaries that are farther away (e.g. Hardy, McKinley) will have fewer families choosing BASIS than schools that are closer to the BASIS campus (e.g. SH), purely for commute reasons.

You don't have to like BASIS. Nobody cares. You clearly have a gigantic chip on your shoulder because BASIS is drawing kids away from EH. That's going to happen, because BASIS has a strong high school, and EH feeds into Eastern, which is a dead end for most people.

Maybe instead of spending all your time trying to convince folks that BASIS is unpopular (which has been debunked by multiple posters in this thread and is super weird), you can go do some teacher appreciation for the EH teachers. Time better spent.

Nobody said Basis isn’t popular. It’s going to become less popular on the Hill as EH strengthens, and that’s just a fact. There just are not people lining up to choose Basis over a solid IB.

Until there is a strong high school option, this will not be true. Particularly if DCPS doesn't get its act together with Walls.

I truly do not want to perpetuate the triggering of Basis folks here; but based on countless discussions with parents, a significant number prefer EH MS to Basis even with the HS problem. Many are planning on private HS or open to considering Banneker, Ellington, McKinley.

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I have no dog in this fight but found it amusing to read the posts.

The non-BASIS parents ignore data, draw incorrect conclusions, or just make up facts.

The BASIS parents make reasonable argument supported by data.

If I were selecting a school for my kids just based on this thread, I would go with BASIS all the way.

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NP here. Let me put it this way. As a parent looking for a middle school, Basis seems like a joyless office building that churns out qualified STEMbots, while Latin is the literal Paltonic ideal of a well-rounded, knowledge-focused education, producing students who are able to fire on all cylinders when it comes to public speaking, interacting with the world around them, thinking their way out of challenges and more. A Latin grad is someone I would want to hire.

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Anonymous wrote:Whatever with all of you arguing like crabs in a barrel. Everyone does what makes the most sense for their child and family, within the limited public options.

Here's a new question: If Maury families are sticking together and going to EH more than ever before, how many years until Eastern is actually a strong academic school? How long until SWS gets on board with ANY neighborhood middle school?

I wish SWS would get on board with EH. Maybe they need to meet up with more Maury and Payne students or reach out directly to EH.

As for Eastern - not holding my breath but I’ve been wrong before.