Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School

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Anonymous wrote:I have no dog in this fight but found it amusing to read the posts.

The non-BASIS parents ignore data, draw incorrect conclusions, or just make up facts.

The BASIS parents make reasonable argument supported by data.

If I were selecting a school for my kids just based on this thread, I would go with BASIS all the way.

Lol. what data?

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Anonymous wrote:Hardy: 327 right-grade kids living in the Hardy boundary. 531 kids attend Hardy total. Seventeen kids IB for Hardy attend BASIS. No matter how you slice it, that isn't much. 17/327=5.2%. Wow!

Stuart-Hobson: 368 right-grade kids live IB. 508 kids total attend Stuart-Hobson. 54 kids IB for Stuart-Hobson attend BASIS. So BASIS is capturing about 15% of kids IB for Stuart-Hobson, and a much smaller percentage of the kids who attend Stuart-Hobson.

Eliot-Hine: 483 kids live in the boundary. 317 kids attend Eliot-Hine. 36 kids IB for Eliot-Hine attend BASIS. So about 7.5%. BASIS is the fourth most popular middle school for kids IB for Eliot-Hine, after EH, Friendship Blow-Pierce, and Stuart-Hobson. Wow, I'm so impressed, BASIS boosters!

Jefferson: 492 kids live in the boundary. 375 kids attend Jefferson total. 47 kids IB for Jefferson attend BASIS. Good going, BASIS, you're almost at 10% of kids IB for Jefferson!

McKinley Middle: 650 kids live in the boundary (wow). 10 attend BASIS. That's amazing, I really thought it would be higher! Major congrats, BASIS, on being tied for 20th-most-popular middle school for the Bloomingdale, Eckington, Edgewood, and part of Brookland community! BASIS attracts fewer kids from this boundary than ITS, TRY, Howard, Deal(!), Hardy(!), Stuart-Hobson, and Jefferson. Tell me again, are allllll of these kids lottery losers or too dumb to survive at BASIS?

This is literally the dumbest argument, and the reason it's dumb has been explained to you over and over, so you're clearly failing to understand on purpose.

BASIS is a relatively small school, and it can only "capture" students up to how many kids it's able to admit. So of course you're going to have 10% of one school, 7% of another school, etc. It also makes sense that schools with boundaries that are farther away (e.g. Hardy, McKinley) will have fewer families choosing BASIS than schools that are closer to the BASIS campus (e.g. SH), purely for commute reasons.

You don't have to like BASIS. Nobody cares. You clearly have a gigantic chip on your shoulder because BASIS is drawing kids away from EH. That's going to happen, because BASIS has a strong high school, and EH feeds into Eastern, which is a dead end for most people.

Maybe instead of spending all your time trying to convince folks that BASIS is unpopular (which has been debunked by multiple posters in this thread and is super weird), you can go do some teacher appreciation for the EH teachers. Time better spent.

Nobody said Basis isn’t popular. It’s going to become less popular on the Hill as EH strengthens, and that’s just a fact. There just are not people lining up to choose Basis over a solid IB.

Until there is a strong high school option, this will not be true. Particularly if DCPS doesn't get its act together with Walls.

I truly do not want to perpetuate the triggering of Basis folks here; but based on countless discussions with parents, a significant number prefer EH MS to Basis even with the HS problem. Many are planning on private HS or open to considering Banneker, Ellington, McKinley.

I am at EH and don't know anyone who doesn't want to go to Basis.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have no dog in this fight but found it amusing to read the posts.

The non-BASIS parents ignore data, draw incorrect conclusions, or just make up facts.

The BASIS parents make reasonable argument supported by data.

If I were selecting a school for my kids just based on this thread, I would go with BASIS all the way.

Lol. what data?

There they go again...lol...nice try, sister...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no dog in this fight but found it amusing to read the posts.

The non-BASIS parents ignore data, draw incorrect conclusions, or just make up facts.

The BASIS parents make reasonable argument supported by data.

If I were selecting a school for my kids just based on this thread, I would go with BASIS all the way.

Lol. what data?

There they go again...lol...nice try, sister...

They didn't show any data based on the actual assertions made. They created a strawman and are doubling down on their logical error:
Some students from high-performing IB MS go to Basis
Therefore Basis is very popular with high-performing IB MS families

[Anonymous]

All these BASIS v EH/SH/any other inbound middle school arguments are ridiculous. The schools are nothing alike. Why would the same people who want an inbound middle school want BASIS?

The real issue is that people want a middle school that is a combination of BASIS and IB middle schools, and that doesn't exist outside of maybe Deal (though I don't think Deal measures up, tbh).

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Anonymous wrote:I have no dog in this fight but found it amusing to read the posts.

The non-BASIS parents ignore data, draw incorrect conclusions, or just make up facts.

The BASIS parents make reasonable argument supported by data.

If I were selecting a school for my kids just based on this thread, I would go with BASIS all the way.

Lol. what data?

There they go again...lol...nice try, sister...

They didn't show any data based on the actual assertions made. They created a strawman and are doubling down on their logical error:
Some students from high-performing IB MS go to Basis
Therefore Basis is very popular with high-performing IB MS families

NP. There are literally 15 pages of data.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I have no dog in this fight but found it amusing to read the posts.

The non-BASIS parents ignore data, draw incorrect conclusions, or just make up facts.

The BASIS parents make reasonable argument supported by data.

If I were selecting a school for my kids just based on this thread, I would go with BASIS all the way.

Lol. what data?

There they go again...lol...nice try, sister...

They didn't show any data based on the actual assertions made. They created a strawman and are doubling down on their logical error:
Some students from high-performing IB MS go to Basis
Therefore Basis is very popular with high-performing IB MS families

NP. There are literally 15 pages of data.

Data showing that some kids go to Basis instead of Deal. Nobody ever said NO kids do that. Strawman.

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Anonymous wrote:Hardy: 327 right-grade kids living in the Hardy boundary. 531 kids attend Hardy total. Seventeen kids IB for Hardy attend BASIS. No matter how you slice it, that isn't much. 17/327=5.2%. Wow!

Stuart-Hobson: 368 right-grade kids live IB. 508 kids total attend Stuart-Hobson. 54 kids IB for Stuart-Hobson attend BASIS. So BASIS is capturing about 15% of kids IB for Stuart-Hobson, and a much smaller percentage of the kids who attend Stuart-Hobson.

Eliot-Hine: 483 kids live in the boundary. 317 kids attend Eliot-Hine. 36 kids IB for Eliot-Hine attend BASIS. So about 7.5%. BASIS is the fourth most popular middle school for kids IB for Eliot-Hine, after EH, Friendship Blow-Pierce, and Stuart-Hobson. Wow, I'm so impressed, BASIS boosters!

Jefferson: 492 kids live in the boundary. 375 kids attend Jefferson total. 47 kids IB for Jefferson attend BASIS. Good going, BASIS, you're almost at 10% of kids IB for Jefferson!

McKinley Middle: 650 kids live in the boundary (wow). 10 attend BASIS. That's amazing, I really thought it would be higher! Major congrats, BASIS, on being tied for 20th-most-popular middle school for the Bloomingdale, Eckington, Edgewood, and part of Brookland community! BASIS attracts fewer kids from this boundary than ITS, TRY, Howard, Deal(!), Hardy(!), Stuart-Hobson, and Jefferson. Tell me again, are allllll of these kids lottery losers or too dumb to survive at BASIS?

This is literally the dumbest argument, and the reason it's dumb has been explained to you over and over, so you're clearly failing to understand on purpose.

BASIS is a relatively small school, and it can only "capture" students up to how many kids it's able to admit. So of course you're going to have 10% of one school, 7% of another school, etc. It also makes sense that schools with boundaries that are farther away (e.g. Hardy, McKinley) will have fewer families choosing BASIS than schools that are closer to the BASIS campus (e.g. SH), purely for commute reasons.

You don't have to like BASIS. Nobody cares. You clearly have a gigantic chip on your shoulder because BASIS is drawing kids away from EH. That's going to happen, because BASIS has a strong high school, and EH feeds into Eastern, which is a dead end for most people.

Maybe instead of spending all your time trying to convince folks that BASIS is unpopular (which has been debunked by multiple posters in this thread and is super weird), you can go do some teacher appreciation for the EH teachers. Time better spent.

I am really, really not an EH parent! I'm the parent of a 4th grader who did not apply to BASIS, because I don't think BASIS is actually that great. When BASIS boosters make assertions that aren't supported by the data, I object to it because this site should be a source of accurate information. Yes, BASIS should be expected to have students from many schools and not a lot of students from any one school. But still. If it were really that great a school it would have more applicants. Like Latin 2nd! And it wouldn't make as many offers-- again, like Latin 2nd. You have more traction with Stuart-Hobson, but to assert that a lot of Deal and Hardy parents are interested in BASIS is simply not supported by the data.

Disagree. BASIS is both a rigorous academic program and children have to pass comps in order to advance. That results in fewer people applying, because they are not confident their child can handle it (or don't want their child to have to be able to handle it). Whatever the reasons, the personal choices of the folks applying to the school have nothing to do with the conclusion you're drawing: that it's not "that great a school."

Compare the test scores of Latin/Latin 2 and BASIS. BASIS is clearly superior academically.

No it isn't. The retention policy at BASIS puts off people who aren't as strong academically. That's not the same thing as actually being a better school with better teachers and more learning.

Sincerely, a parent of a very academically strong student who has zero interest in BASIS.

Since this is a thread about data, cite your data for this claim. Here's some to consider:

BASIS Middle School PARCC:

Math: 65%
ELA: 80%

Latin Middle School PARCC:

Math: 48%
ELA: 63%

Right, as I said, I know the PARCC scores are higher, but I don't think that reflects the quality of the teaching. Also, Latin has the Equitable Access preference. (Another reason to be underwhelmed with BASIS-- what good scores they have (not actually that good!) are the result of shirking the more difficult work).

So let me get this straight. By your own admission, you have no actual experience with BASIS. It's unclear if you have any actual experience with Latin. You admit that BASIS has significantly higher test scores. But somehow the quality of the teaching is still better at Latin... because #reasons.

Also, FYI, Latin has only had the equitable access seats for one year. And they only offered 15 seats. And those kids have not taken the PARCC yet. So that has zero impact on the test scores.

The difference is the retention policy, which motivates people to leave/not apply. That affects the scores but it is not an indicator of quality. And I care about the EA policy for what it says about the mission of the school. Not because I think it is already influencing test scores.

Wait. Your position is:

The scores are higher because of the retention policy so the higher scores need to be dismissed.
Also, scores don't matter and don't reflect anything.

Heads I win, tails you lose. Got it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:All these BASIS v EH/SH/any other inbound middle school arguments are ridiculous. The schools are nothing alike. Why would the same people who want an inbound middle school want BASIS?

The real issue is that people want a middle school that is a combination of BASIS and IB middle schools, and that doesn't exist outside of maybe Deal (though I don't think Deal measures up, tbh).

Inevitable clusterf*** of every thread that mentions BASIS. I understand why BASIS families focus on and defend BASIS; they attend the school so there's a built in reflex to defend your own. Plus they want the school to continue on its current trajectory. What confuses and confounds is all the energy people NOT at BASIS expend in order to...what? There's a couple of these rocket scientists who frequent this forum who openly admit they don't have a kid there and don't want to but they feel strongly that everyone needs to know they don't think it is a good school. Or if it is a good school, it is only because [insert confounding explanation here].

Why don't these people spend their time focusing on the schools their kids attend? Or the schools they want to improve? Or do they think that taking shots at BASIS is going to magically make EH/Jefferson/etc. better.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here. Let me put it this way. As a parent looking for a middle school, Basis seems like a joyless office building that churns out qualified STEMbots, while Latin is the literal Paltonic ideal of a well-rounded, knowledge-focused education, producing students who are able to fire on all cylinders when it comes to public speaking, interacting with the world around them, thinking their way out of challenges and more. A Latin grad is someone I would want to hire.

That's definitely what it sounds like on paper, and on DCUM, Latin comes off sounding like Sidwell Friends, but for free. As a parent who actually researched the schools, that's not what either school is like. Once again, do your research and know your child. There is no golden ticket. If you have decided to stay in DC rather than move, then you already know how to make the best of things, so keep on keeping on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no dog in this fight but found it amusing to read the posts.

The non-BASIS parents ignore data, draw incorrect conclusions, or just make up facts.

The BASIS parents make reasonable argument supported by data.

If I were selecting a school for my kids just based on this thread, I would go with BASIS all the way.

Lol. what data?

You just made PP's point! Rofl

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no dog in this fight but found it amusing to read the posts.

The non-BASIS parents ignore data, draw incorrect conclusions, or just make up facts.

The BASIS parents make reasonable argument supported by data.

If I were selecting a school for my kids just based on this thread, I would go with BASIS all the way.

Lol. what data?

There they go again...lol...nice try, sister...

They didn't show any data based on the actual assertions made. They created a strawman and are doubling down on their logical error:
Some students from high-performing IB MS go to Basis
Therefore Basis is very popular with high-performing IB MS families

No, the logical error was the opposite! Someone said Hardy, Deal, and Stuart Hobson families don’t go to BASIS in large numbers, it was pointed out that SH families do choose it in pretty large numbers, and then 16 pages later…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:NP here. Let me put it this way. As a parent looking for a middle school, Basis seems like a joyless office building that churns out qualified STEMbots, while Latin is the literal Paltonic ideal of a well-rounded, knowledge-focused education, producing students who are able to fire on all cylinders when it comes to public speaking, interacting with the world around them, thinking their way out of challenges and more. A Latin grad is someone I would want to hire.

Hire for what?

I wouldn't agree that Latin is "the literal Paltonic ideal" (not sure who "Palto" is, but I suspect Socrates may be rolling his eyes now, wherever he is). Not only is Latin miles behind BASIS in math but it is way behind in ELA as well.

Let me put it this way:

BASIS high school PARCC:

Math: 64.04%
ELA: 73.65%

Latin high school PARCC:

Math: 29%
ELA: 57.87%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no dog in this fight but found it amusing to read the posts.

The non-BASIS parents ignore data, draw incorrect conclusions, or just make up facts.

The BASIS parents make reasonable argument supported by data.

If I were selecting a school for my kids just based on this thread, I would go with BASIS all the way.

Lol. what data?

You just made PP's point! Rofl

do you think you can just throw up some data and case closed?

the ONLY data provided shows that a tiny percentage of Deal/Hardy kids go to Basis. That’s it. The assertion was “families prefer a decent/strong IB over Basis.” That assertion was not countered by data.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have no dog in this fight but found it amusing to read the posts.

The non-BASIS parents ignore data, draw incorrect conclusions, or just make up facts.

The BASIS parents make reasonable argument supported by data.

If I were selecting a school for my kids just based on this thread, I would go with BASIS all the way.

Lol. what data?

You just made PP's point! Rofl

do you think you can just throw up some data and case closed?

the ONLY data provided shows that a tiny percentage of Deal/Hardy kids go to Basis. That’s it. The assertion was “families prefer a decent/strong IB over Basis.” That assertion was not countered by data.

Is anyone arguing that is wrong? I think *you think* you are arguing with someone about that, but all anyone has said is Stuart Hobson has a bunch of kids at BASIS. Clearly the JR feeder pattern is its own thing, that is a given in any discussion about charters in DC.