Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School

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Anonymous wrote:That was Balto. This data indicates that SOME families in CH appear to be choosing SH/EH/Jefferson over Basis. It further shows that very roughly half of the DCPS elementary school students at schools other than SWS or Brent appear to be staying and going to the assigned in-bound middle school feeder. If you have a younger elementary school student, that is extremely interesting. It cuts against the DCUM mantra (which a lot of people in the neighborhood have bought into) that the only acceptable middle school options are Latin, Basis, maybe but not really SH, or moving to NW/suburbs. Basis is a good school that lots of people will continue to prefer. It is all factors considered not for everyone.

Yes, the data and anecdote that SWS is rejecting EH is interesting. Hopefully they will come around, but I wonder if some of the SWS families are zoned for MS closer to their homes and pick them instead?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This discussion has been enlightening. It has taught me that yes, BASIS does have a solid proportion of students from SH, EH, and Jefferson. But congrats, BASIS boosters, you have shown everyone that BASIS attracts a tiny proportion of Deal students. Like 2%. What does that say about BASIS?

It says you don't understand numbers, math, data and ratios. The relevant percentage here is not the percent of Deal at BASIS, that's just dub since (i) BASIS is tiny and (ii) BASIS is a lottery school so of course all slots won't be filled by one catchment. The point (having now been made 10+ times) is that there is equal or greater demand from Hardy, Deal and SH than from most other MS in DC. At first I thought you were a troll. On further reflection I think you are really this unintelligent.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no dog in this fight but found it amusing to read the posts.

The non-BASIS parents ignore data, draw incorrect conclusions, or just make up facts.

The BASIS parents make reasonable argument supported by data.

If I were selecting a school for my kids just based on this thread, I would go with BASIS all the way.

Lol. what data?

There they go again...lol...nice try, sister...

They didn't show any data based on the actual assertions made. They created a strawman and are doubling down on their logical error:
Some students from high-performing IB MS go to Basis
Therefore Basis is very popular with high-performing IB MS families

No, the logical error was the opposite! Someone said Hardy, Deal, and Stuart Hobson families don’t go to BASIS in large numbers, it was pointed out that SH families do choose it in pretty large numbers, and then 16 pages later…

The discussion was about strong IB middle schools. The assertion was that parents prefer a strong IB MS over Basis and that a lot of parents don’t like Basis and will increasingly choose EH over Basis.

The discussion was never about the actual numbers going from SH.

No it wasn't. The words are on the page so stop gaslighting. That is what the poster who got their clock cleaned with data tried to pretend they said in response. Go look at the post. No one said (and you cannot find a post where anyone said):

More kids go to BASIS than SH, Deal or Hardy

Many kids don't choose or prefer their IB MS

What's funny is I am the person who originally corrected the mis-statement that BASIS isn't a school Deal, Hardy, SH kids select. But I have also been vocal on this thread about the very positive momentum at EH based on the data. Why must this be a zero sum game for so many of you? Is it so hard for you to hold two positive thoughts about two different schools in your heads at once? Is that why so many of you react to aggressively anytime anyone says something positive about BASIS? Because your brains operate on a zero sum game philosophy that interprets a positive comment about BASIS as a shot at your school?

So let me get this straight. What you believe you proved with your data is that some kids from Deal and Hardy choose Basis. Is that right?

Can you provide a link where somebody claimed NO families from those schools choose Basis?

Because my actual claim is not that NO families choose it. It’s that MOST families prefer a strong (or at least decent) IB MS over Basis, and many families affirmatively do not want Basis. As EH gets better this means more families will pick EH over Basis. (And TR and ITS.)

Do you have data or information about my actual point?

No one claimed that was said. No one. Show me where anyone said that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion has been enlightening. It has taught me that yes, BASIS does have a solid proportion of students from SH, EH, and Jefferson. But congrats, BASIS boosters, you have shown everyone that BASIS attracts a tiny proportion of Deal students. Like 2%. What does that say about BASIS?

It says you don't understand numbers, math, data and ratios. The relevant percentage here is not the percent of Deal at BASIS, that's just dub since (i) BASIS is tiny and (ii) BASIS is a lottery school so of course all slots won't be filled by one catchment. The point (having now been made 10+ times) is that there is equal or greater demand from Hardy, Deal and SH than from most other MS in DC. At first I thought you were a troll. On further reflection I think you are really this unintelligent.

No, the point is that when people have a good IB middle school option such as Deal, they are unlikely to choose BASIS. You can't blame the lottery when BASIS accepts 65% of its applicants. Even if you doubled the number from Deal to account for people who wanted to go to BASIS but didn't get in, it would still be a tiny proportion of Deal's enrollment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion has been enlightening. It has taught me that yes, BASIS does have a solid proportion of students from SH, EH, and Jefferson. But congrats, BASIS boosters, you have shown everyone that BASIS attracts a tiny proportion of Deal students. Like 2%. What does that say about BASIS?

It says you don't understand numbers, math, data and ratios. The relevant percentage here is not the percent of Deal at BASIS, that's just dub since (i) BASIS is tiny and (ii) BASIS is a lottery school so of course all slots won't be filled by one catchment. The point (having now been made 10+ times) is that there is equal or greater demand from Hardy, Deal and SH than from most other MS in DC. At first I thought you were a troll. On further reflection I think you are really this unintelligent.

DP. All you can say from this data is that some Deal families choose Basis. That’s it. You seem to be trying to extrapolate from the fact that some Deal families prefer Basis a conclusion that Basis is universally popular. It is not.

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Anonymous wrote:I have no dog in this fight but found it amusing to read the posts.

The non-BASIS parents ignore data, draw incorrect conclusions, or just make up facts.

The BASIS parents make reasonable argument supported by data.

If I were selecting a school for my kids just based on this thread, I would go with BASIS all the way.

Lol. what data?

There they go again...lol...nice try, sister...

They didn't show any data based on the actual assertions made. They created a strawman and are doubling down on their logical error:
Some students from high-performing IB MS go to Basis
Therefore Basis is very popular with high-performing IB MS families

No, the logical error was the opposite! Someone said Hardy, Deal, and Stuart Hobson families don’t go to BASIS in large numbers, it was pointed out that SH families do choose it in pretty large numbers, and then 16 pages later…

The discussion was about strong IB middle schools. The assertion was that parents prefer a strong IB MS over Basis and that a lot of parents don’t like Basis and will increasingly choose EH over Basis.

The discussion was never about the actual numbers going from SH.

No it wasn't. The words are on the page so stop gaslighting. That is what the poster who got their clock cleaned with data tried to pretend they said in response. Go look at the post. No one said (and you cannot find a post where anyone said):

More kids go to BASIS than SH, Deal or Hardy

Many kids don't choose or prefer their IB MS

What's funny is I am the person who originally corrected the mis-statement that BASIS isn't a school Deal, Hardy, SH kids select. But I have also been vocal on this thread about the very positive momentum at EH based on the data. Why must this be a zero sum game for so many of you? Is it so hard for you to hold two positive thoughts about two different schools in your heads at once? Is that why so many of you react to aggressively anytime anyone says something positive about BASIS? Because your brains operate on a zero sum game philosophy that interprets a positive comment about BASIS as a shot at your school?

So let me get this straight. What you believe you proved with your data is that some kids from Deal and Hardy choose Basis. Is that right?

Can you provide a link where somebody claimed NO families from those schools choose Basis?

Because my actual claim is not that NO families choose it. It’s that MOST families prefer a strong (or at least decent) IB MS over Basis, and many families affirmatively do not want Basis. As EH gets better this means more families will pick EH over Basis. (And TR and ITS.)

Do you have data or information about my actual point?

No one claimed that was said. No one. Show me where anyone said that.

Ok please state exactly what you believe the data says, and what the data disproves here.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion has been enlightening. It has taught me that yes, BASIS does have a solid proportion of students from SH, EH, and Jefferson. But congrats, BASIS boosters, you have shown everyone that BASIS attracts a tiny proportion of Deal students. Like 2%. What does that say about BASIS?

It says you don't understand numbers, math, data and ratios. The relevant percentage here is not the percent of Deal at BASIS, that's just dub since (i) BASIS is tiny and (ii) BASIS is a lottery school so of course all slots won't be filled by one catchment. The point (having now been made 10+ times) is that there is equal or greater demand from Hardy, Deal and SH than from most other MS in DC. At first I thought you were a troll. On further reflection I think you are really this unintelligent.

DP. All you can say from this data is that some Deal families choose Basis. That’s it. You seem to be trying to extrapolate from the fact that some Deal families prefer Basis a conclusion that Basis is universally popular. It is not.

No, that's not all you can say. You can say that hardly any Deal families choose BASIS.

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion has been enlightening. It has taught me that yes, BASIS does have a solid proportion of students from SH, EH, and Jefferson. But congrats, BASIS boosters, you have shown everyone that BASIS attracts a tiny proportion of Deal students. Like 2%. What does that say about BASIS?

It says you don't understand numbers, math, data and ratios. The relevant percentage here is not the percent of Deal at BASIS, that's just dub since (i) BASIS is tiny and (ii) BASIS is a lottery school so of course all slots won't be filled by one catchment. The point (having now been made 10+ times) is that there is equal or greater demand from Hardy, Deal and SH than from most other MS in DC. At first I thought you were a troll. On further reflection I think you are really this unintelligent.

DP. All you can say from this data is that some Deal families choose Basis. That’s it. You seem to be trying to extrapolate from the fact that some Deal families prefer Basis a conclusion that Basis is universally popular. It is not.

No. No one is saying that. Let me repeat. NO ONE IS SAYING THAT. You keep repeating that as if it will make it so. No one is saying that. Deal families prefer BASIS as much or more than most other MS is DC. That's the point. It was a rebuttal to someone who asserted the contrary. Why is this so hard for you? What is triggering your persecution complex?

[Anonymous]

Congrats to the posters on this thread. Their gaslighting has morphed from general hatred of BASIS to where there are now several posters claiming BASIS isn't actually in high demand. No words.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Congrats to the posters on this thread. Their gaslighting has morphed from general hatred of BASIS to where there are now several posters claiming BASIS isn't actually in high demand. No words.

It is not in high demand among families with rights to Deal.

It is not in *as* high demand as Latin 2nd, and the opening of a 2nd Latin campus has not changed that.

But you go with your awesome BASIS defensiveness.

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Anonymous wrote:This discussion has been enlightening. It has taught me that yes, BASIS does have a solid proportion of students from SH, EH, and Jefferson. But congrats, BASIS boosters, you have shown everyone that BASIS attracts a tiny proportion of Deal students. Like 2%. What does that say about BASIS?

It says you don't understand numbers, math, data and ratios. The relevant percentage here is not the percent of Deal at BASIS, that's just dub since (i) BASIS is tiny and (ii) BASIS is a lottery school so of course all slots won't be filled by one catchment. The point (having now been made 10+ times) is that there is equal or greater demand from Hardy, Deal and SH than from most other MS in DC. At first I thought you were a troll. On further reflection I think you are really this unintelligent.

DP. All you can say from this data is that some Deal families choose Basis. That’s it. You seem to be trying to extrapolate from the fact that some Deal families prefer Basis a conclusion that Basis is universally popular. It is not.

No. No one is saying that. Let me repeat. NO ONE IS SAYING THAT. You keep repeating that as if it will make it so. No one is saying that. Deal families prefer BASIS as much or more than most other MS is DC. That's the point. It was a rebuttal to someone who asserted the contrary. Why is this so hard for you? What is triggering your persecution complex?

It’s hard because you are writing in an unhinged and bombastic manner that makes it hard to tell what you are actually saying.

So, your assertion is that Basis is as appealing or more appealing to Deal students than to other MS overall in DCPS? That’s it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Congrats to the posters on this thread. Their gaslighting has morphed from general hatred of BASIS to where there are now several posters claiming BASIS isn't actually in high demand. No words.

congratulations on persisting in showing your utter lack of logical skills.

the fact that Basis has a waitlist does not mean that Basis is broadly appealing to most DCPS families.

[Anonymous]

Oh my god. Is it time for this thread, which started off as an innocent sharing of useful data, to end?

So many things can be true at the same time:

Some families choose BASIS because they don't like their IB school
Some families prefer their DCPS school or lottery into another and prefer that over BASIS
Some people don't like BASIS because it's too rigorous.
Some people who like rigor still don't choose BASIS for other reasons.

All of these things are absolutely true.

BASIS is such a flashpoint. I think it's because those who go wonder if the pros justify the cons, and those who didn't go wonder if they are missing an opportunity, so everyone is in a constant internal debate about it that bleeds out onto DCUM whenever any remotely relevant thread. It's possible that BASIS has the most challenging math and science classes in DC and no other school can match that. It's also possible that the building is inhumane, the teacher turnover is alarming, and that it's missing other basic elements of a complete school experience.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh my god. Is it time for this thread, which started off as an innocent sharing of useful data, to end?

So many things can be true at the same time:

Some families choose BASIS because they don't like their IB school
Some families prefer their DCPS school or lottery into another and prefer that over BASIS
Some people don't like BASIS because it's too rigorous.
Some people who like rigor still don't choose BASIS for other reasons.

All of these things are absolutely true.

BASIS is such a flashpoint. I think it's because those who go wonder if the pros justify the cons, and those who didn't go wonder if they are missing an opportunity, so everyone is in a constant internal debate about it that bleeds out onto DCUM whenever any remotely relevant thread. It's possible that BASIS has the most challenging math and science classes in DC and no other school can match that. It's also possible that the building is inhumane, the teacher turnover is alarming, and that it's missing other basic elements of a complete school experience.

And that it calls itself excellent while shirking the hardest work of the school district.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh my god. Is it time for this thread, which started off as an innocent sharing of useful data, to end?

So many things can be true at the same time:

Some families choose BASIS because they don't like their IB school
Some families prefer their DCPS school or lottery into another and prefer that over BASIS
Some people don't like BASIS because it's too rigorous.
Some people who like rigor still don't choose BASIS for other reasons.

All of these things are absolutely true.

BASIS is such a flashpoint. I think it's because those who go wonder if the pros justify the cons, and those who didn't go wonder if they are missing an opportunity, so everyone is in a constant internal debate about it that bleeds out onto DCUM whenever any remotely relevant thread. It's possible that BASIS has the most challenging math and science classes in DC and no other school can match that. It's also possible that the building is inhumane, the teacher turnover is alarming, and that it's missing other basic elements of a complete school experience.

Unfortunately the rabid Basis boosters created this entire derail based on a passing reference to the school. So incredibly immature.