Grand Jury report on LCPS sexual assault cases is unsealed

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Anonymous wrote:Side note - the boy was wearing a skirt. A few students who knew him will tell you he did not identify as gender fluid, it was just something that was done as a distraction.

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Too many people too focused on trying to identify him as trans or gender fluid, when there is absolutely no evidence that was the case. It just serves as a political flashpoint to generate headlines and conservative outrage.
I went to high school in the 90s. A boy in my graduating class used to show up to school in a kilt on occasion. Not a Scot, not trans or gender fluid…just did it to get a response and attention.
I don’t care what he was wearing. I care that he raped 2 girls.

I wish this was highlighted more. The only people who mention gender-fluid are national media when talking about LCPS. The actually people who went to school with the rapist, his teachers, his family - never claimed that.

Its to distract from the fact that this boy belongs in prison.

I'm not sure about that. I agree that the boy belongs in prison and that, by all accounts, he was not gender-fluid. I still question whether leadership downplayed or was not transparent about the initial incident because there were reports that the boy may have been trans or gender-fluid and the attack occurred while the system was formulating the bathroom policy.

You know how when kids shoot up schools all these people come out and say “we knew something was off” and tons of prior reports are released? That’s like what happened here. When kids are involved, schools are SHOCKINGLY limited in what they can do no matter how troubling the behavior or actions or speech of that child. It’s like until they commit the crime, you can’t do a thing. I’m a teacher and we all know the kids who have giant files in counseling, the school psychologist, admin, and you just report report report knowing full well you can’t stop anything that might be coming, you’re only building the file. And this isn’t like it’s one bad principal. It’s the way the entire school systems and laws to protect minors are set up. Until they actually DO something, schools cannot take any real action against them. Then of course they do it and it’s too late. So no a “simple convo” wouldn’t have changed anything. A violent kid was in a school and no matter how many people knew he was a risk, nothing could be done until he was provably violent.

DP. I’m a teacher too. I agree with all of this but it’s worth pointing out that this kid had serious behavior issues including fights and highly disruptive behavior, per his mother, since kindergarten. I guarantee his teachers tried repeatedly to get him moved to a more restrictive setting before the first rape and the district refused.

Yes, exactly my point. We the teachers see and KNOW and we document our asses off. But we are told nothing can be done UNTIL they escalate - it’s too late then!

DP and not a teacher...but I have family who are retired teachers, and this type of scenario has been playing out for YEARS.
My mom taught a kid back in the 80s, in elementary school, and even in 3rd grade, it was obvious he was a psychopath. There were documented incidents of physical abuse at school, including with both my mom, the principal, and other teachers...nothing was done, his family could not control him, the situation only got worse as the boy got older, and now he is facing life imprisonment for multiple homicides. Writing was on the wall from a young age, but nothing was done to get the kid help or protect those around him.

Sadly, after an incident with my child last month I have seen it firsthand. As a parent, of the victim of a known class behavioral issue, we have been given the runaround and “yes” we’ll take care of it. We only know of this students background through our child’s classmates and prior incidents. I agree these kids get worse as they age and ramp up behavior. We were told by the sheriff we have the right to pursue this as a misdemeanor assault. These kids are 11 years old!!! What is most disturbing, to me, is we have no right to know how it has been handles with parents of the child, what disciplinary action has been taken, or if our child is safe going forward. I don’t entirely blame the schools! I think a lot of this BS stems from lack of discipline at home and parents burying their head in the sand… especially if the child is a known problem.

As a parent who waited too long (husband didn’t agree), please move your child to another school. The damage this other child is doing to your child is lasting. My 28 year old told me over the weekend how much he appreciated me coming to his defense and then moving him. It matters

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Anonymous wrote:Side note - the boy was wearing a skirt. A few students who knew him will tell you he did not identify as gender fluid, it was just something that was done as a distraction.

This.
Too many people too focused on trying to identify him as trans or gender fluid, when there is absolutely no evidence that was the case. It just serves as a political flashpoint to generate headlines and conservative outrage.
I went to high school in the 90s. A boy in my graduating class used to show up to school in a kilt on occasion. Not a Scot, not trans or gender fluid…just did it to get a response and attention.
I don’t care what he was wearing. I care that he raped 2 girls.

I wish this was highlighted more. The only people who mention gender-fluid are national media when talking about LCPS. The actually people who went to school with the rapist, his teachers, his family - never claimed that.

Its to distract from the fact that this boy belongs in prison.

I'm not sure about that. I agree that the boy belongs in prison and that, by all accounts, he was not gender-fluid. I still question whether leadership downplayed or was not transparent about the initial incident because there were reports that the boy may have been trans or gender-fluid and the attack occurred while the system was formulating the bathroom policy.

You know how when kids shoot up schools all these people come out and say “we knew something was off” and tons of prior reports are released? That’s like what happened here. When kids are involved, schools are SHOCKINGLY limited in what they can do no matter how troubling the behavior or actions or speech of that child. It’s like until they commit the crime, you can’t do a thing. I’m a teacher and we all know the kids who have giant files in counseling, the school psychologist, admin, and you just report report report knowing full well you can’t stop anything that might be coming, you’re only building the file. And this isn’t like it’s one bad principal. It’s the way the entire school systems and laws to protect minors are set up. Until they actually DO something, schools cannot take any real action against them. Then of course they do it and it’s too late. So no a “simple convo” wouldn’t have changed anything. A violent kid was in a school and no matter how many people knew he was a risk, nothing could be done until he was provably violent.

DP. I’m a teacher too. I agree with all of this but it’s worth pointing out that this kid had serious behavior issues including fights and highly disruptive behavior, per his mother, since kindergarten. I guarantee his teachers tried repeatedly to get him moved to a more restrictive setting before the first rape and the district refused.

Yes, exactly my point. We the teachers see and KNOW and we document our asses off. But we are told nothing can be done UNTIL they escalate - it’s too late then!

DP and not a teacher...but I have family who are retired teachers, and this type of scenario has been playing out for YEARS.
My mom taught a kid back in the 80s, in elementary school, and even in 3rd grade, it was obvious he was a psychopath. There were documented incidents of physical abuse at school, including with both my mom, the principal, and other teachers...nothing was done, his family could not control him, the situation only got worse as the boy got older, and now he is facing life imprisonment for multiple homicides. Writing was on the wall from a young age, but nothing was done to get the kid help or protect those around him.

Sadly, after an incident with my child last month I have seen it firsthand. As a parent, of the victim of a known class behavioral issue, we have been given the runaround and “yes” we’ll take care of it. We only know of this students background through our child’s classmates and prior incidents. I agree these kids get worse as they age and ramp up behavior. We were told by the sheriff we have the right to pursue this as a misdemeanor assault. These kids are 11 years old!!! What is most disturbing, to me, is we have no right to know how it has been handles with parents of the child, what disciplinary action has been taken, or if our child is safe going forward. I don’t entirely blame the schools! I think a lot of this BS stems from lack of discipline at home and parents burying their head in the sand… especially if the child is a known problem.

As a parent who waited too long (husband didn’t agree), please move your child to another school. The damage this other child is doing to your child is lasting. My 28 year old told me over the weekend how much he appreciated me coming to his defense and then moving him. It matters

Scenarios like this play out in school systems all over the country. This isn't just an LCPS problem. As the teachers mentioned previously, the abusers have all the rights; other students have none. Parents have no right to the truth about what is going on and whether any measures are being taken to address abusive behavior. Now that my kids are done with public school, I can look back to the years when I went from being a normal, involved mom who regularly volunteered at schools and always gave the teachers the benefit of the doubt on everything to being a more aggressive helicopter mom. It all started when my young kid was choked by another student, and the school didn't tell me about it. For years the same kid terrorized others, causing several to leave the school entirely. By the time one of my kids, who is difficult by nature, reached 5th grade, the chaos caused by this kid and a few others in the school had impacted the teachers and students alike. My ADHD kid, who has difficulty regulating his own emotions, just checked out. I mean, you tell kids that school is important and that they need to do their work and hand in assignments, yet the adults in the school building don't seem interested in keeping them safe from physical harm. These unhealthy dynamics wind up pitting parents against teachers and administrators and ultimately, hurt kids the most. In our case, it took two years of therapy and a move to private school to restore our kid to a functioning human being.

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Anonymous wrote:Side note - the boy was wearing a skirt. A few students who knew him will tell you he did not identify as gender fluid, it was just something that was done as a distraction.

This.
Too many people too focused on trying to identify him as trans or gender fluid, when there is absolutely no evidence that was the case. It just serves as a political flashpoint to generate headlines and conservative outrage.
I went to high school in the 90s. A boy in my graduating class used to show up to school in a kilt on occasion. Not a Scot, not trans or gender fluid…just did it to get a response and attention.
I don’t care what he was wearing. I care that he raped 2 girls.

I wish this was highlighted more. The only people who mention gender-fluid are national media when talking about LCPS. The actually people who went to school with the rapist, his teachers, his family - never claimed that.

Its to distract from the fact that this boy belongs in prison.

I'm not sure about that. I agree that the boy belongs in prison and that, by all accounts, he was not gender-fluid. I still question whether leadership downplayed or was not transparent about the initial incident because there were reports that the boy may have been trans or gender-fluid and the attack occurred while the system was formulating the bathroom policy.

You know how when kids shoot up schools all these people come out and say “we knew something was off” and tons of prior reports are released? That’s like what happened here. When kids are involved, schools are SHOCKINGLY limited in what they can do no matter how troubling the behavior or actions or speech of that child. It’s like until they commit the crime, you can’t do a thing. I’m a teacher and we all know the kids who have giant files in counseling, the school psychologist, admin, and you just report report report knowing full well you can’t stop anything that might be coming, you’re only building the file. And this isn’t like it’s one bad principal. It’s the way the entire school systems and laws to protect minors are set up. Until they actually DO something, schools cannot take any real action against them. Then of course they do it and it’s too late. So no a “simple convo” wouldn’t have changed anything. A violent kid was in a school and no matter how many people knew he was a risk, nothing could be done until he was provably violent.

DP. I’m a teacher too. I agree with all of this but it’s worth pointing out that this kid had serious behavior issues including fights and highly disruptive behavior, per his mother, since kindergarten. I guarantee his teachers tried repeatedly to get him moved to a more restrictive setting before the first rape and the district refused.

Yes, exactly my point. We the teachers see and KNOW and we document our asses off. But we are told nothing can be done UNTIL they escalate - it’s too late then!

DP and not a teacher...but I have family who are retired teachers, and this type of scenario has been playing out for YEARS.
My mom taught a kid back in the 80s, in elementary school, and even in 3rd grade, it was obvious he was a psychopath. There were documented incidents of physical abuse at school, including with both my mom, the principal, and other teachers...nothing was done, his family could not control him, the situation only got worse as the boy got older, and now he is facing life imprisonment for multiple homicides. Writing was on the wall from a young age, but nothing was done to get the kid help or protect those around him.

Sadly, after an incident with my child last month I have seen it firsthand. As a parent, of the victim of a known class behavioral issue, we have been given the runaround and “yes” we’ll take care of it. We only know of this students background through our child’s classmates and prior incidents. I agree these kids get worse as they age and ramp up behavior. We were told by the sheriff we have the right to pursue this as a misdemeanor assault. These kids are 11 years old!!! What is most disturbing, to me, is we have no right to know how it has been handles with parents of the child, what disciplinary action has been taken, or if our child is safe going forward. I don’t entirely blame the schools! I think a lot of this BS stems from lack of discipline at home and parents burying their head in the sand… especially if the child is a known problem.

As a parent who waited too long (husband didn’t agree), please move your child to another school. The damage this other child is doing to your child is lasting. My 28 year old told me over the weekend how much he appreciated me coming to his defense and then moving him. It matters

Scenarios like this play out in school systems all over the country. This isn't just an LCPS problem. As the teachers mentioned previously, the abusers have all the rights; other students have none. Parents have no right to the truth about what is going on and whether any measures are being taken to address abusive behavior. Now that my kids are done with public school, I can look back to the years when I went from being a normal, involved mom who regularly volunteered at schools and always gave the teachers the benefit of the doubt on everything to being a more aggressive helicopter mom. It all started when my young kid was choked by another student, and the school didn't tell me about it. For years the same kid terrorized others, causing several to leave the school entirely. By the time one of my kids, who is difficult by nature, reached 5th grade, the chaos caused by this kid and a few others in the school had impacted the teachers and students alike. My ADHD kid, who has difficulty regulating his own emotions, just checked out. I mean, you tell kids that school is important and that they need to do their work and hand in assignments, yet the adults in the school building don't seem interested in keeping them safe from physical harm. These unhealthy dynamics wind up pitting parents against teachers and administrators and ultimately, hurt kids the most. In our case, it took two years of therapy and a move to private school to restore our kid to a functioning human being.

PP here. That’s terrible but not surprising, unfortunately. That you would even be labeled a helicopter mom is disgusting - you were a Mom protecting her kid. In today’s climate you’d be called a domestic terrorist like Smith was

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Curious how Smith got called a domestic terrorist. LCSO / LCSB / LCPS ? Can you provide citation please?

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Anonymous wrote:Curious how Smith got called a domestic terrorist. LCSO / LCSB / LCPS ? Can you provide citation please?

He was arrested for public disturbance at a school board meeting. Which he was. Idk where pp got the idea he was called a domestic terrorist? He wasn’t and certainly never charged with terrorism. Words mean things!

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Anonymous wrote:Curious how Smith got called a domestic terrorist. LCSO / LCSB / LCPS ? Can you provide citation please?

He was arrested for public disturbance at a school board meeting. Which he was. Idk where pp got the idea he was called a domestic terrorist? He wasn’t and certainly never charged with terrorism. Words mean things!

Shortly after Smith's arrest, the National School Boards Association (NSBA) sent a letter to President Biden that discussed threats to school board members and increasingly hostile resistance to school board policies. These acts were compared to hate crimes and domestic terrorism. The letter specifically referred to Smith's arrest at the LCPS meeting as an example.

Here is an article discussing the NSBA's letter. They subsequently apologized.

https://northernvirginiamag.com/family/education/2021/10/08/virginia-public-schools/

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Anonymous wrote:Curious how Smith got called a domestic terrorist. LCSO / LCSB / LCPS ? Can you provide citation please?

Idk, but Smith’s daughter was regularly meeting this boy in the bathroom for sex. A teacher came in and she didn’t ask for help while she claimed she was being raped. I have trouble believing a rape occurred at SBHS.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious how Smith got called a domestic terrorist. LCSO / LCSB / LCPS ? Can you provide citation please?

Idk, but Smith’s daughter was regularly meeting this boy in the bathroom for sex. A teacher came in and she didn’t ask for help while she claimed she was being raped. I have trouble believing a rape occurred at SBHS.

Yes, she was regularly meeting him in the bathroom. The incident started as a consensual one but escalated. To me it’s clear from the account it went beyond consensual and was traumatic for her. Did you read the report? The kid is a psychopath. I don’t believe any of the adults involved acted with appropriate judgement but that shouldn’t detract from what happened to Smith’s daughter.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious how Smith got called a domestic terrorist. LCSO / LCSB / LCPS ? Can you provide citation please?

Idk, but Smith’s daughter was regularly meeting this boy in the bathroom for sex. A teacher came in and she didn’t ask for help while she claimed she was being raped. I have trouble believing a rape occurred at SBHS.

How do we know this? Did she say so? Were there witnesses?

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Anonymous wrote:Curious how Smith got called a domestic terrorist. LCSO / LCSB / LCPS ? Can you provide citation please?

He was arrested for public disturbance at a school board meeting. Which he was. Idk where pp got the idea he was called a domestic terrorist? He wasn’t and certainly never charged with terrorism. Words mean things!

Shortly after Smith's arrest, the National School Boards Association (NSBA) sent a letter to President Biden that discussed threats to school board members and increasingly hostile resistance to school board policies. These acts were compared to hate crimes and domestic terrorism. The letter specifically referred to Smith's arrest at the LCPS meeting as an example.

Here is an article discussing the NSBA's letter. They subsequently apologized.

https://northernvirginiamag.com/family/education/2021/10/08/virginia-public-schools/

As a teacher employed by LCPS, I am truly disgusted and horrified by how they handled the situation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Curious how Smith got called a domestic terrorist. LCSO / LCSB / LCPS ? Can you provide citation please?

Idk, but Smith’s daughter was regularly meeting this boy in the bathroom for sex. A teacher came in and she didn’t ask for help while she claimed she was being raped. I have trouble believing a rape occurred at SBHS.

The judge ruled it was rape.

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Anonymous wrote:Curious how Smith got called a domestic terrorist. LCSO / LCSB / LCPS ? Can you provide citation please?

Idk, but Smith’s daughter was regularly meeting this boy in the bathroom for sex. A teacher came in and she didn’t ask for help while she claimed she was being raped. I have trouble believing a rape occurred at SBHS.

How do we know this? Did she say so? Were there witnesses?

She admitted it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious how Smith got called a domestic terrorist. LCSO / LCSB / LCPS ? Can you provide citation please?

Idk, but Smith’s daughter was regularly meeting this boy in the bathroom for sex. A teacher came in and she didn’t ask for help while she claimed she was being raped. I have trouble believing a rape occurred at SBHS.

How do we know this? Did she say so? Were there witnesses?

She admitted it.

And records of them planning rendezvous were found on both their school computers. It shouldn’t be excused if the boy is a predator, but a teenage girl meeting boys during school for sex, has some issues that should be addressed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious how Smith got called a domestic terrorist. LCSO / LCSB / LCPS ? Can you provide citation please?

He was arrested for public disturbance at a school board meeting. Which he was. Idk where pp got the idea he was called a domestic terrorist? He wasn’t and certainly never charged with terrorism. Words mean things!

Shortly after Smith's arrest, the National School Boards Association (NSBA) sent a letter to President Biden that discussed threats to school board members and increasingly hostile resistance to school board policies. These acts were compared to hate crimes and domestic terrorism. The letter specifically referred to Smith's arrest at the LCPS meeting as an example.

Here is an article discussing the NSBA's letter. They subsequently apologized.

https://northernvirginiamag.com/family/education/2021/10/08/virginia-public-schools/

As a teacher employed by LCPS, I am truly disgusted and horrified by how they handled the situation.

A teacher seeing 2 sets of feet in the stalls and not looking further into the situation should be disciplined.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Curious how Smith got called a domestic terrorist. LCSO / LCSB / LCPS ? Can you provide citation please?

Idk, but Smith’s daughter was regularly meeting this boy in the bathroom for sex. A teacher came in and she didn’t ask for help while she claimed she was being raped. I have trouble believing a rape occurred at SBHS.

How do we know this? Did she say so? Were there witnesses?

She admitted it.

And records of them planning rendezvous were found on both their school computers. It shouldn’t be excused if the boy is a predator, but a teenage girl meeting boys during school for sex, has some issues that should be addressed.

Okay, so there is evidence. Agree about the issues that should be addressed.