Grand Jury report on LCPS sexual assault cases is unsealed

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The fact of the matter is that he raped once again when transferred. Sorry but LCPS dropped the ball big time and then tried to cover it up. Why are you wasting time defending incompetent, unsafe management unless you are their lawyer, PR firm or the accused? More people should be fired including the TA who walked into the bathroom.

He did not rape again. The second assault was groping. Not a rape.

Like that’s so much better.

Look at the words I wrote. I didn’t say one was better. But there is a huge difference between being raped and being groped and it does matter that you use the correct words instead of saying “the facts are he raped again” when he factually did not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact of the matter is that he raped once again when transferred. Sorry but LCPS dropped the ball big time and then tried to cover it up. Why are you wasting time defending incompetent, unsafe management unless you are their lawyer, PR firm or the accused? More people should be fired including the TA who walked into the bathroom.

He did not rape again. The second assault was groping. Not a rape.

Like that’s so much better.

Look at the words I wrote. I didn’t say one was better. But there is a huge difference between being raped and being groped and it does matter that you use the correct words instead of saying “the facts are he raped again” when he factually did not.

DP here - Your disgusting! You would absolutely be the person who would tell the girl to her face to just get over it and it’s no big deal.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact of the matter is that he raped once again when transferred. Sorry but LCPS dropped the ball big time and then tried to cover it up. Why are you wasting time defending incompetent, unsafe management unless you are their lawyer, PR firm or the accused? More people should be fired including the TA who walked into the bathroom.

He did not rape again. The second assault was groping. Not a rape.

Like that’s so much better.

Look at the words I wrote. I didn’t say one was better. But there is a huge difference between being raped and being groped and it does matter that you use the correct words instead of saying “the facts are he raped again” when he factually did not.

DP here - Your disgusting! You would absolutely be the person who would tell the girl to her face to just get over it and it’s no big deal.

I didn’t like what happened to this kid. He met a girl for sex in the school bathroom multiple times. The last time she tells someone he was too rough and he gets charged with rape. Then, he goes to a different school and gropes a girl and gets national attention.
I wasn’t having sex with girls on school grounds, but some of the things I did would get a kid kicked out of school for sure. Maybe even been criminally prosecuted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fact of the matter is that he raped once again when transferred. Sorry but LCPS dropped the ball big time and then tried to cover it up. Why are you wasting time defending incompetent, unsafe management unless you are their lawyer, PR firm or the accused? More people should be fired including the TA who walked into the bathroom.

I don't understand why people say LCPS dropped the ball. The rules of play for the ball were changed.

It used to be that a problematic student would be sent to the alternative school in Loudoun. The student was removed from being around their peers and put in an environment that was more strict and had closer supervision. It worked great for years. But then the rules changed. Suddenly emphasis was put on equality in education. Removing a problem student for their peers wasn't fair and equal for them. Instead, school systems were made to shift these problem kids around. That's exactly what LCPS did: they followed the current rule for dealing with these types of kids.

It is still done today. My neighbor teaches 4th grade and she had a student this year who had almost daily violent outbursts. Enough parents complained so the kid was moved to another 4th grade room. It kept happening and he was moved again. He was in each of the three 4th grade classrooms 1/3 of the year because no single teacher or 4th grade class could stand to be around him for the entire year due to his behavior.

Teachers get verbally and physically assaulted by these kids and are pretty much prevented from pressing charges due to the fear of "your actions will be noted in your employment record" which can cause issues for them down the road in terms of employment elsewhere.

Here's my unpopular opinion: no one is entitled to a free public school education if they can't follow the rules. No one is entitled to be mainstreamed if they can't handle it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact of the matter is that he raped once again when transferred. Sorry but LCPS dropped the ball big time and then tried to cover it up. Why are you wasting time defending incompetent, unsafe management unless you are their lawyer, PR firm or the accused? More people should be fired including the TA who walked into the bathroom.

He did not rape again. The second assault was groping. Not a rape.

Like that’s so much better.

Look at the words I wrote. I didn’t say one was better. But there is a huge difference between being raped and being groped and it does matter that you use the correct words instead of saying “the facts are he raped again” when he factually did not.

DP here - Your disgusting! You would absolutely be the person who would tell the girl to her face to just get over it and it’s no big deal.

No, I wouldn’t. This emotional response from you is insane: one girl was raped, one was groped. You can’t say he raped the second girl, and call that factual: he didn’t. I’m not bringing any approval or emotions into this. Just the actual words and actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact of the matter is that he raped once again when transferred. Sorry but LCPS dropped the ball big time and then tried to cover it up. Why are you wasting time defending incompetent, unsafe management unless you are their lawyer, PR firm or the accused? More people should be fired including the TA who walked into the bathroom.

He did not rape again. The second assault was groping. Not a rape.

Like that’s so much better.

Look at the words I wrote. I didn’t say one was better. But there is a huge difference between being raped and being groped and it does matter that you use the correct words instead of saying “the facts are he raped again” when he factually did not.

DP here - Your disgusting! You would absolutely be the person who would tell the girl to her face to just get over it and it’s no big deal.

No, I wouldn’t. This emotional response from you is insane: one girl was raped, one was groped. You can’t say he raped the second girl, and call that factual: he didn’t. I’m not bringing any approval or emotions into this. Just the actual words and actions.

Unwanted sexual touching - forcing her into a room against her will is still horrible and deeply scarring for a child, especially one who is sexually assaulted inside of a SCHOOL. No matter how you try to minimize it, it’s still SEXUAL ASSAULT.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact of the matter is that he raped once again when transferred. Sorry but LCPS dropped the ball big time and then tried to cover it up. Why are you wasting time defending incompetent, unsafe management unless you are their lawyer, PR firm or the accused? More people should be fired including the TA who walked into the bathroom.

He did not rape again. The second assault was groping. Not a rape.

Like that’s so much better.

Look at the words I wrote. I didn’t say one was better. But there is a huge difference between being raped and being groped and it does matter that you use the correct words instead of saying “the facts are he raped again” when he factually did not.

DP here - Your disgusting! You would absolutely be the person who would tell the girl to her face to just get over it and it’s no big deal.

No, I wouldn’t. This emotional response from you is insane: one girl was raped, one was groped. You can’t say he raped the second girl, and call that factual: he didn’t. I’m not bringing any approval or emotions into this. Just the actual words and actions.

Unwanted sexual touching - forcing her into a room against her will is still horrible and deeply scarring for a child, especially one who is sexually assaulted inside of a SCHOOL. No matter how you try to minimize it, it’s still SEXUAL ASSAULT.

Nobody is saying otherwise. But a poster said “he went on to rape again, these are the facts.” And that’s not true. If they had said “he assaulted again” that would be true. Groping isn’t rape. He did not go on to rape again. This case is convoluted enough- people really need to be factual and accurate in how they discuss it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact of the matter is that he raped once again when transferred. Sorry but LCPS dropped the ball big time and then tried to cover it up. Why are you wasting time defending incompetent, unsafe management unless you are their lawyer, PR firm or the accused? More people should be fired including the TA who walked into the bathroom.

He did not rape again. The second assault was groping. Not a rape.

Like that’s so much better.

Look at the words I wrote. I didn’t say one was better. But there is a huge difference between being raped and being groped and it does matter that you use the correct words instead of saying “the facts are he raped again” when he factually did not.

DP here - Your disgusting! You would absolutely be the person who would tell the girl to her face to just get over it and it’s no big deal.

No, I wouldn’t. This emotional response from you is insane: one girl was raped, one was groped. You can’t say he raped the second girl, and call that factual: he didn’t. I’m not bringing any approval or emotions into this. Just the actual words and actions.

Unwanted sexual touching - forcing her into a room against her will is still horrible and deeply scarring for a child, especially one who is sexually assaulted inside of a SCHOOL. No matter how you try to minimize it, it’s still SEXUAL ASSAULT.

Nobody is saying otherwise. But a poster said “he went on to rape again, these are the facts.” And that’s not true. If they had said “he assaulted again” that would be true. Groping isn’t rape. He did not go on to rape again. This case is convoluted enough- people really need to be factual and accurate in how they discuss it.

NP. I agree with you.
Groping is disgusting and unacceptable; but it's not the same as being pinned down and forced penetration. The tendency today to equate everything (not just various levels of sexual assault) is a big problem and diminishes the experiences and impacts of the most truly traumatizing experiences people have. This kid absolutely went on to sexually assault yet again. But if it were my daughter, I'd be grateful it was "only groping" and not even worse.

Why should people expect any real consequences for this kid? This country elected a mysoginistic rapist/gropist to be president, for cryin' out loud. What lesson does teach?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact of the matter is that he raped once again when transferred. Sorry but LCPS dropped the ball big time and then tried to cover it up. Why are you wasting time defending incompetent, unsafe management unless you are their lawyer, PR firm or the accused? More people should be fired including the TA who walked into the bathroom.

I don't understand why people say LCPS dropped the ball. The rules of play for the ball were changed.

It used to be that a problematic student would be sent to the alternative school in Loudoun. The student was removed from being around their peers and put in an environment that was more strict and had closer supervision. It worked great for years. But then the rules changed. Suddenly emphasis was put on equality in education. Removing a problem student for their peers wasn't fair and equal for them. Instead, school systems were made to shift these problem kids around. That's exactly what LCPS did: they followed the current rule for dealing with these types of kids.

It is still done today. My neighbor teaches 4th grade and she had a student this year who had almost daily violent outbursts. Enough parents complained so the kid was moved to another 4th grade room. It kept happening and he was moved again. He was in each of the three 4th grade classrooms 1/3 of the year because no single teacher or 4th grade class could stand to be around him for the entire year due to his behavior.

Teachers get verbally and physically assaulted by these kids and are pretty much prevented from pressing charges due to the fear of "your actions will be noted in your employment record" which can cause issues for them down the road in terms of employment elsewhere.

Here's my unpopular opinion: no one is entitled to a free public school education if they can't follow the rules. No one is entitled to be mainstreamed if they can't handle it.

This and it’s time we all start pushing harder for it.

[Anonymous]

Why not online schools for these kids along with intensive daily in-person counseling.

Why haven’t we learned the lesson yet that shuffling these kids around doesn’t solve most of the problems? I can see this as effective only if there is some sort of personal conflict that can’t be resolved at the home school.

Just moving these kids along is a disservice to them - a missed opportunity to correct the behavior - and puts other kids and teachers at risk (and they won’t even know about the risk thanks to FERPA).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:She may have consented to sex on prior occasions, but she didn’t consent to anal sex on this occasion. I truly don’t understand why this is so hard to get, but this kind of thinking is exactly how and why school officials looked the other way and let another incidents happen.

The boy said g he e went in the wrong hole accidentally. They were in a confined space and it is possible.

He had a terrible pattern of behavior and many people raised concerns both before and after the first incident. No one took any action.

He obviously has problems too, I just don’t know that this was a slam dunk case of rape here. Especially, when a teacher came in the bathroom during the incident and and the girl never requested help. I think both students should’ve been expelled.

This. I've been proudly waving my metoo banner but this case is bs.

Except he went on to actually assault someone he didn’t know who did NOT consent. He’s clearly a deviant and remains in jail.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact of the matter is that he raped once again when transferred. Sorry but LCPS dropped the ball big time and then tried to cover it up. Why are you wasting time defending incompetent, unsafe management unless you are their lawyer, PR firm or the accused? More people should be fired including the TA who walked into the bathroom.

I don't understand why people say LCPS dropped the ball. The rules of play for the ball were changed.

It used to be that a problematic student would be sent to the alternative school in Loudoun. The student was removed from being around their peers and put in an environment that was more strict and had closer supervision. It worked great for years. But then the rules changed. Suddenly emphasis was put on equality in education. Removing a problem student for their peers wasn't fair and equal for them. Instead, school systems were made to shift these problem kids around. That's exactly what LCPS did: they followed the current rule for dealing with these types of kids.

It is still done today. My neighbor teaches 4th grade and she had a student this year who had almost daily violent outbursts. Enough parents complained so the kid was moved to another 4th grade room. It kept happening and he was moved again. He was in each of the three 4th grade classrooms 1/3 of the year because no single teacher or 4th grade class could stand to be around him for the entire year due to his behavior.

Teachers get verbally and physically assaulted by these kids and are pretty much prevented from pressing charges due to the fear of "your actions will be noted in your employment record" which can cause issues for them down the road in terms of employment elsewhere.

Here's my unpopular opinion: no one is entitled to a free public school education if they can't follow the rules. No one is entitled to be mainstreamed if they can't handle it.

This and it’s time we all start pushing harder for it.

YES! X1000. Virtual school for them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact of the matter is that he raped once again when transferred. Sorry but LCPS dropped the ball big time and then tried to cover it up. Why are you wasting time defending incompetent, unsafe management unless you are their lawyer, PR firm or the accused? More people should be fired including the TA who walked into the bathroom.

He did not rape again. The second assault was groping. Not a rape.

Like that’s so much better.

Look at the words I wrote. I didn’t say one was better. But there is a huge difference between being raped and being groped and it does matter that you use the correct words instead of saying “the facts are he raped again” when he factually did not.

He probably would have if he'd had more time/she didn't get away. Let's not act like he CHOSE to commit a less serious crime than the first time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact of the matter is that he raped once again when transferred. Sorry but LCPS dropped the ball big time and then tried to cover it up. Why are you wasting time defending incompetent, unsafe management unless you are their lawyer, PR firm or the accused? More people should be fired including the TA who walked into the bathroom.

He did not rape again. The second assault was groping. Not a rape.

Like that’s so much better.

Look at the words I wrote. I didn’t say one was better. But there is a huge difference between being raped and being groped and it does matter that you use the correct words instead of saying “the facts are he raped again” when he factually did not.

He probably would have if he'd had more time/she didn't get away. Let's not act like he CHOSE to commit a less serious crime than the first time.

Yea didn't he pull the girl into a room? I seriously doubt he was going to stop at groping

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The fact of the matter is that he raped once again when transferred. Sorry but LCPS dropped the ball big time and then tried to cover it up. Why are you wasting time defending incompetent, unsafe management unless you are their lawyer, PR firm or the accused? More people should be fired including the TA who walked into the bathroom.

He did not rape again. The second assault was groping. Not a rape.

Like that’s so much better.

Look at the words I wrote. I didn’t say one was better. But there is a huge difference between being raped and being groped and it does matter that you use the correct words instead of saying “the facts are he raped again” when he factually did not.

He probably would have if he'd had more time/she didn't get away. Let's not act like he CHOSE to commit a less serious crime than the first time.

Yea didn't he pull the girl into a room? I seriously doubt he was going to stop at groping

Yes, he dragged a girl he didn’t know out of the hallway into an empty classroom against her will. I’m sure all he wanted to do was feel her boob. /s.