Did you circumcise?

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Anonymous wrote:Ever watch this surgery? The baby is screaming to high heavens. Why???

My children were given a local anesthetic in the hospital. No screaming and they were completely fine after the procedure. Just because you watched some online video that was put up there with a very specific agenda doesn't make true.

My DH was with our son. He didn’t cry at all since the area was numb and small.

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Anonymous wrote:Doesn’t circumcision prevent penile cancer, utis, lower risk of stds etc? I have girls but those seem like fair reasons to get it done.

Yup. Even if you ignore the social benefits and the aesthetic benefits, it's just the healthy thing to do for boys. I honestly put anti-circers on the same level as anti-vaxxers.

Gross, your family is ignorant and dirty.

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Anonymous wrote:Ever watch this surgery? The baby is screaming to high heavens. Why???

My children were given a local anesthetic in the hospital. No screaming and they were completely fine after the procedure. Just because you watched some online video that was put up there with a very specific agenda doesn't make true.

It was a Bris, Einstein. The women covered their faces in horror and ran away because they couldn’t endure the baby’s screaming. I’m still traumatized, and it didn’t even happen to me!

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Up until my brother was in high school, he had pretty terrible hygiene (which is to be expected of boys) so from like kindergarten onwards, my mother had to nag him about everything: "have you brushed your teeth?" "have you taken a shower?" "have you put deodorant on?" "did you wash your hair" etc, over and over, until she became almost demented. Of course, the other thing she had to ask was "did you pull it back?" which once he was a pre-teen was absolutely mortifying to hear from your mom, but was necessary to ask because just like the other questions the answer was usually no.
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I have sons and terrible hygiene is not to “be expected” of boys. My boys play hard and get dirty but the expectation in this household is that you will take a bath or shower before you go to bed. There is no nagging because there is no negotiation. Have higher expectations and expect them to be met.

Agree, but I think terrible hygiene IS expected in families like the PPs. They don’t know any better and don’t teach hygiene to their kids. There is nagging because expectations for hygiene are low. Of course this is not the norm in other families.

This makes sense. I learned on this forum that many parents don’t expect their children to bathe daily. I had no idea. I just assumed the kids at school who were “scented” played hard that day. I had no idea they may not have had a bathe the day/night before 😂

That’s because you grew up in a family that taught basic hygiene. I was also shocked when I learned that daily bathing wasn’t an expectation in most families. I thought it was a given.

It does explain why Americans are so out of sync with other countries on circumcision. Essentially, people in the US favor it to make up for bad hygiene practices at home.

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Anonymous wrote:Cleaners, less cancer risk and easier to care for. Aesthetically pleasing is a bonus.

Exactly, making sure my son didn't have a penis that looks like a wrinkly anteater was just a bonus.

LOL

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Anonymous wrote:The main argument to do it is “I think uncirc’d penises are gross” which is…Freudian at best.

It's less "I think uncirc'd penises are gross" and more "most women (and teenage girls) think uncirc'd penises are gross, and I don't want my son to ever have to worry about getting rejected or laughed at because of a decision I made." The fact that I personally think uncircumcised penises are gross is completely irrelevant.

Yes, I know in Europe, or American neighborhoods with large Latino populations, most women don't think foreskin is gross, but considering my son is going to Langley, that's absolutely something I considered.

You have a cynical view of women if you think they're all so shallow. What if your son was born with big ear or a big nose? Would you send him to a plastic surgeon?

My mom had my brother's ears pinned back when he was a teen. Heck, even Brad Pitt had his ears pinned back (check out the pics on line from his teen years. before he had them done and before he dyed his hair blonde and whitened his teeth.) Several Jewish girls in my high school had their noses done in the summer between 11th and 12th grade.

Our bodies, our freedoms. Have you noticed all the high school kids with tattoo these days? I hate them but I will not clutch my pearls.

Our 2 boys are circumcised. Looks better and normal. I had one boyfriend early on who was not and it was gross.

You know that is YOUR preference and future girls friends might feel different, right? Some men like blondes, some brunettes. Some women like chests with hair, others don’t. I am European and I think my uncircumcised boy’s penis is a lot cuter than other boys’ that are circumcised… to each their own… just don’t make a general statement like “all men like thin women”.

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Anonymous wrote:Looks sexier so yes

Will you get your daughter a boob job or lip filler? She would look sexier that way too.

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Anonymous wrote:This is obviously a loaded topic and people who are anti it seem to feel a LOT more strongly about it than people who do it…as evidenced by this thread. FWIW I’m 36, grew up here, went to UVA; in my group of 15ish girlfriends - we’re moderately UMC successful professionals - everyone circumcised. This is anecdotal but my friend works at a preschool - her consensus is that most white families do it, many Hispanic families don’t

Yep

That’s slowly changing:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhds/9circumcision/2007circ9_regionracetrend.pdf

That data is making the opposite point of what "intactivsts" love to bring it up to make.

Yes, the rate of circumcision nationwide is decreasing, but if you look at any individual demographic on its own, the rate isn't going up or down by any significant degree. Latina moms are by far the least likely demographic to circumcise in the US. That's also the demographic that's grown the most in the past decade. Of course that'll result in the nationwide circumcision rate decreasing.

But if you live in an area that's mostly white, that circumcision rate hasn't actually changed. For example, I don't think there are any more uncircumcised boys at Langley now than there were 20 years ago.

What are you basing that on?

The data showing that white wealthy moms aren't any less likely to circumcise now than they were 20 years ago. Also, my best friend is literally a pediatrician in Nova and she said it's still very rare for her to have a patient with a foreskin.

That seems flat-out unbelievable to me, unless she is in very rural, poorer VA.

My pediatrician in Spring Valley says that at this point is basically 50:50

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Up until my brother was in high school, he had pretty terrible hygiene (which is to be expected of boys) so from like kindergarten onwards, my mother had to nag him about everything: "have you brushed your teeth?" "have you taken a shower?" "have you put deodorant on?" "did you wash your hair" etc, over and over, until she became almost demented. Of course, the other thing she had to ask was "did you pull it back?" which once he was a pre-teen was absolutely mortifying to hear from your mom, but was necessary to ask because just like the other questions the answer was usually no.
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I have sons and terrible hygiene is not to “be expected” of boys. My boys play hard and get dirty but the expectation in this household is that you will take a bath or shower before you go to bed. There is no nagging because there is no negotiation. Have higher expectations and expect them to be met.

Agree, but I think terrible hygiene IS expected in families like the PPs. They don’t know any better and don’t teach hygiene to their kids. There is nagging because expectations for hygiene are low. Of course this is not the norm in other families.

This makes sense. I learned on this forum that many parents don’t expect their children to bathe daily. I had no idea. I just assumed the kids at school who were “scented” played hard that day. I had no idea they may not have had a bathe the day/night before 😂

That’s because you grew up in a family that taught basic hygiene. I was also shocked when I learned that daily bathing wasn’t an expectation in most families. I thought it was a given.

It does explain why Americans are so out of sync with other countries on circumcision. Essentially, people in the US favor it to make up for bad hygiene practices at home.

This makes no sense. Americans bathe so much more than Europeans on average and yet Europeans are much less likely to circumcise. Americans shower more than Japanese as well.

circumcision has strong support of the medical community in the US more so than in other countries which some think affects rates here.

In any case I have a girl so not relevant but if I had a son a would not hesitate to circumsize for both religious (Jewish) and health reasons. It’s just one of many religious and health related decisions I would make for my child as a parent.

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Up until my brother was in high school, he had pretty terrible hygiene (which is to be expected of boys) so from like kindergarten onwards, my mother had to nag him about everything: "have you brushed your teeth?" "have you taken a shower?" "have you put deodorant on?" "did you wash your hair" etc, over and over, until she became almost demented. Of course, the other thing she had to ask was "did you pull it back?" which once he was a pre-teen was absolutely mortifying to hear from your mom, but was necessary to ask because just like the other questions the answer was usually no.
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I have sons and terrible hygiene is not to “be expected” of boys. My boys play hard and get dirty but the expectation in this household is that you will take a bath or shower before you go to bed. There is no nagging because there is no negotiation. Have higher expectations and expect them to be met.

Agree, but I think terrible hygiene IS expected in families like the PPs. They don’t know any better and don’t teach hygiene to their kids. There is nagging because expectations for hygiene are low. Of course this is not the norm in other families.

This makes sense. I learned on this forum that many parents don’t expect their children to bathe daily. I had no idea. I just assumed the kids at school who were “scented” played hard that day. I had no idea they may not have had a bathe the day/night before 😂

That’s because you grew up in a family that taught basic hygiene. I was also shocked when I learned that daily bathing wasn’t an expectation in most families. I thought it was a given.

It does explain why Americans are so out of sync with other countries on circumcision. Essentially, people in the US favor it to make up for bad hygiene practices at home.

This makes no sense. Americans bathe so much more than Europeans on average and yet Europeans are much less likely to circumcise. Americans shower more than Japanese as well.

circumcision has strong support of the medical community in the US more so than in other countries which some think affects rates here.

In any case I have a girl so not relevant but if I had a son a would not hesitate to circumsize for both religious (Jewish) and health reasons. It’s just one of many religious and health related decisions I would make for my child as a parent.

Americans have much better hygiene practices than Europeans or Japanese, yet we need high rates of circumcision to keep rates of STD or penile cancer the same as them?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ever watch this surgery? The baby is screaming to high heavens. Why???

My children were given a local anesthetic in the hospital. No screaming and they were completely fine after the procedure. Just because you watched some online video that was put up there with a very specific agenda doesn't make true.

Same experience. I do think there are valid arguments for not circumcising and if it was not of cultural importance to DH I wouldn’t have but these arguments are getting drowned out by hysterical comments and insinuations that only “dirty” families and kids get them on this thread.

I’m a vegetarian and it reminds me of the peta crazies that make us all look bad.

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It’s interesting that communities that automatically circumcise are also those where women traditionally have the least rights. I assume it’s because these are communities obsessed with sex, maybe they have an unnatural relationship with sex for some reason.

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Up until my brother was in high school, he had pretty terrible hygiene (which is to be expected of boys) so from like kindergarten onwards, my mother had to nag him about everything: "have you brushed your teeth?" "have you taken a shower?" "have you put deodorant on?" "did you wash your hair" etc, over and over, until she became almost demented. Of course, the other thing she had to ask was "did you pull it back?" which once he was a pre-teen was absolutely mortifying to hear from your mom, but was necessary to ask because just like the other questions the answer was usually no.
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I have sons and terrible hygiene is not to “be expected” of boys. My boys play hard and get dirty but the expectation in this household is that you will take a bath or shower before you go to bed. There is no nagging because there is no negotiation. Have higher expectations and expect them to be met.

Agree, but I think terrible hygiene IS expected in families like the PPs. They don’t know any better and don’t teach hygiene to their kids. There is nagging because expectations for hygiene are low. Of course this is not the norm in other families.

This makes sense. I learned on this forum that many parents don’t expect their children to bathe daily. I had no idea. I just assumed the kids at school who were “scented” played hard that day. I had no idea they may not have had a bathe the day/night before 😂

That’s because you grew up in a family that taught basic hygiene. I was also shocked when I learned that daily bathing wasn’t an expectation in most families. I thought it was a given.

It does explain why Americans are so out of sync with other countries on circumcision. Essentially, people in the US favor it to make up for bad hygiene practices at home.

This makes no sense. Americans bathe so much more than Europeans on average and yet Europeans are much less likely to circumcise. Americans shower more than Japanese as well.

circumcision has strong support of the medical community in the US more so than in other countries which some think affects rates here.

In any case I have a girl so not relevant but if I had a son a would not hesitate to circumsize for both religious (Jewish) and health reasons. It’s just one of many religious and health related decisions I would make for my child as a parent.

Americans have much better hygiene practices than Europeans or Japanese, yet we need high rates of circumcision to keep rates of STD or penile cancer the same as them?

Lol right? Most Americans are stupid so I can see how they can be dirtier even after bathing more.

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People who think the way males are born is wrong have serious issues.

I understand how cut men would be defensive about this, but women who are staunchly pro-circ are the strangest people ever.

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Up until my brother was in high school, he had pretty terrible hygiene (which is to be expected of boys) so from like kindergarten onwards, my mother had to nag him about everything: "have you brushed your teeth?" "have you taken a shower?" "have you put deodorant on?" "did you wash your hair" etc, over and over, until she became almost demented. Of course, the other thing she had to ask was "did you pull it back?" which once he was a pre-teen was absolutely mortifying to hear from your mom, but was necessary to ask because just like the other questions the answer was usually no.
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I have sons and terrible hygiene is not to “be expected” of boys. My boys play hard and get dirty but the expectation in this household is that you will take a bath or shower before you go to bed. There is no nagging because there is no negotiation. Have higher expectations and expect them to be met.

Agree, but I think terrible hygiene IS expected in families like the PPs. They don’t know any better and don’t teach hygiene to their kids. There is nagging because expectations for hygiene are low. Of course this is not the norm in other families.

This makes sense. I learned on this forum that many parents don’t expect their children to bathe daily. I had no idea. I just assumed the kids at school who were “scented” played hard that day. I had no idea they may not have had a bathe the day/night before 😂

That’s because you grew up in a family that taught basic hygiene. I was also shocked when I learned that daily bathing wasn’t an expectation in most families. I thought it was a given.

It does explain why Americans are so out of sync with other countries on circumcision. Essentially, people in the US favor it to make up for bad hygiene practices at home.

This makes no sense. Americans bathe so much more than Europeans on average and yet Europeans are much less likely to circumcise. Americans shower more than Japanese as well.

circumcision has strong support of the medical community in the US more so than in other countries which some think affects rates here.

In any case I have a girl so not relevant but if I had a son a would not hesitate to circumsize for both religious (Jewish) and health reasons. It’s just one of many religious and health related decisions I would make for my child as a parent.

Americans may shower more but they have lower personal hygiene standards. In Europe, bathrooms have bidets and men learn from an early age how to use them. The Japanese take baths and learn personal bathing habits early. Americans may shower, but they don’t clean, at least a lot of them.

If you look around the globe, higher rates of circumcision are associated with lower personal hygiene standards. Of course that’s not all Americans (the ones against circumcision generally have high cleanliness standards), but in general circumcision is associated with worse personal hygiene practices.