What's your favorite celebrity mystery or secret scandal?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PPs have mentioned some good ones. This one was mentioned on early pages: all the details on how Katie escaped Tom Cruise.

This is one celeb book I would actually read. Katie or Nicole.

There is an article on this about Katie with a lot of detail, although not everything. To summarize, her father was an attorney (I think family law) who helped her to get out.

Yes, I've read about that. Still a lot for a small town family law attorney to get her out of the grips of Scientology, but I'd still like to know more. I really want to know about Nicole. They were together something like 11 years and "infertile" when they adopted those 2 kids who have now disowned her since she freed herself from the church. She broke free and...they both (Tom and Nicole) had 1 and 2 biological kids within a year or so. She seems pretty "normal" and has really flourished, but a) I can't imagine her pain that those kids consider her a "suppressive person" and won't make any contact b) I just want to know about those 11 years. Katie wisened up faster and got her daughter out (in like, a SWAT team attempt to escape), and her daughter is a "suppressive person" who hasn't seen her dad in like 7 years. It's just so bizarre. I want a tell-all from Nicole.

Doubt this, as Nicole’s agreement with Cruise probably contained an ironclad confidentiality obligation. Most likely, her dad knew exactly whom to contact within the legal profession to arrange for the separation/divorce.

And to add, Tom is widely rumored to be gay. How did these women get into this and out?

Yes, how did a regular guy attorney beat the machine of Scientology + Tom's resources? What were the triggers that let them know they needed to have a solid plan to get Katie and Suri out? The Nicole/Tom/kids issue is fascinating also. I think Nicole's fame was built by Tom's people and she had to keep up her end of the deal.

I would absolutely love to know the details of the bolded above, but I'm not entirely surprised that Martin Holmes was able to put this together. It's called working outside the system with good people you trust, everyone keeping their mouth shut, and luck. Now how all that came together is something I would like to read.

I'm convinced that Katie Holmes's father likely worked with Nicole Kidman to get Katie out of that marriage with Suri. Nicole likely instructed them on what evidence to gather, how to exploit the Scientology system/structure, etc.

After Nicole lost her kids, I doubt she wanted to see Katie go through the same thing. In fact, you'd do anything to ensure that man (TC) doesn't hurt another mom.

Oops. Meant to answer:
Doubt this, as Nicole’s agreement with Cruise probably contained an ironclad confidentiality obligation. Most likely, her dad knew exactly whom to contact within the legal profession to arrange for the separation/divorce.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come they seriously can’t figure out who killed Biggie and Tupac?

Right? You'd think there would be footage of this somewhere, or people talking. And who killed Jon Benet? Or kidnapped Madeleine McCann?

I think nearly everyone who has looked closely at the case agrees: it was the brother. And the parents covered it up.

I just don't see it. Burke wasn't their golden child like JonBenet. Why protect your 2nd choice kid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come they seriously can’t figure out who killed Biggie and Tupac?

Right? You'd think there would be footage of this somewhere, or people talking. And who killed Jon Benet? Or kidnapped Madeleine McCann?

I think nearly everyone who has looked closely at the case agrees: it was the brother. And the parents covered it up.

Interesting. Jon Benet's brother. Any speculation on how he killed her if he did?

He hit her over the head with a flash light because she took a piece of pineapple from a bowl he was eating it out of.

This is probably the most logical answer, but something really bugs me about it:

WHY would any parent put a garrotte around their little recently deceased daughter to protect their underage son? It's not like he was going to go to prison! Couldn't they just have admitted the truth? Isn't the truth easier to move beyond easier than staging a murder??

This angle has been disproven. It was more than likely a sexual predator who was known to be in the area.

np and I'd totally believe that except for the random ransom note that had been practiced more than once on the house's pad of paper. that note was CLEARLY, IMO, written by one of the family. i think the mom, based on the handwriting expert, but i cant recall. why did they write a ransom note for their missing daughter if they didn't know what had happened or where she was? and why the plan to fly immediately on vacation?

The "experts" associated with this case were a joke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come they seriously can’t figure out who killed Biggie and Tupac?

Right? You'd think there would be footage of this somewhere, or people talking. And who killed Jon Benet? Or kidnapped Madeleine McCann?

I think nearly everyone who has looked closely at the case agrees: it was the brother. And the parents covered it up.

I just don't see it. Burke wasn't their golden child like JonBenet. Why protect your 2nd choice kid?

Because they'd already lost one kid. Not protecting Burke wouldn't bring Jonbenet back, and they would likely lose their other kid.

I'm not saying that I'd do the same thing they did, but I can understand wanting to keep your only remaining child out of the juvenile system for what may have been an accident. Maybe he would've gotten some kind of lenient sentence, but they didn't know that in the moment. I hope they got him whatever help he needed over the years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Taylor Swift related: Was it ever fully confirmed why she and Katy Perry had a years long feud?

Taylor was mad at Katy "stealing" some of her background dancers.

That explanation has never been all that persuasive, really. The dancers supposedly had clauses written into their contracts to allow them to leave the tour with 30 days notice. I have a hard time believing that Taylor took their contractually-sound move so personally that she created this crazy public beef that lasted for years. Beyond her little "special place in hell" remark, you didn't see her go after Tiny and Amy nearly as hard, and they made fun of her publicly. I really think there was some personal aspect to the beef (John Mayer?) that neither has an interest in sharing publicly, so maybe we will never know.

Oh come on...she was going to "go after" Tina fey and Amy Poehler? Two beloved, powerful and accomplished comedic icons who are about twenty years older? Please. She's not an idiot.

Um, ok? You seem to have strong feelings about this for some reason, and it was tangential to my point -- that I don't think the dancers are the true/full reason for the Katy/Taylor beef -- so I won't bother listing the other, more significant insults that Taylor did not turn into a big public beef.

Clearly you do not follow Taylor. She will sic her Swifties on

Not really strong feelings no, mainly how young and dramatic she appeared at that time. in using the term "a place in hell" regarding a joke, again an instance of a celebrity being highly reactive. I don't follow taylor no, I am in a different age bracket, but I think most of us know her fans are devoted, yes. My niece is one of them, she was invited and went to her house in Rhode island a few years ago when she invited a group of her biggest fans to her home. My point was she was out of her league in her counter to the joke. I never felt her public beefs served her well. But I'm old. I guess

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I grew up in the same town as Katy Perry and when we were in hs her parents refused to let her perform in a musical revue performance of “Cell Block Tango” with me and some other girls because they deemed it “too risqué” for their good little Christian daughter.

A couple of years later I guess she proved them wrong…

She was very mousy and shy I recall.

She did start as a Christian rock singer!

She did, she wanted to be Amy Grant!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come they seriously can’t figure out who killed Biggie and Tupac?

Right? You'd think there would be footage of this somewhere, or people talking. And who killed Jon Benet? Or kidnapped Madeleine McCann?

I think nearly everyone who has looked closely at the case agrees: it was the brother. And the parents covered it up.

I just don't see it. Burke wasn't their golden child like JonBenet. Why protect your 2nd choice kid?

Because they'd already lost one kid. Not protecting Burke wouldn't bring Jonbenet back, and they would likely lose their other kid.

I'm not saying that I'd do the same thing they did, but I can understand wanting to keep your only remaining child out of the juvenile system for what may have been an accident. Maybe he would've gotten some kind of lenient sentence, but they didn't know that in the moment. I hope they got him whatever help he needed over the years.

No, they wouldn't. He was a child, and it was an accident.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PPs have mentioned some good ones. This one was mentioned on early pages: all the details on how Katie escaped Tom Cruise.

This is one celeb book I would actually read. Katie or Nicole.

There is an article on this about Katie with a lot of detail, although not everything. To summarize, her father was an attorney (I think family law) who helped her to get out.

Yes, I've read about that. Still a lot for a small town family law attorney to get her out of the grips of Scientology, but I'd still like to know more. I really want to know about Nicole. They were together something like 11 years and "infertile" when they adopted those 2 kids who have now disowned her since she freed herself from the church. She broke free and...they both (Tom and Nicole) had 1 and 2 biological kids within a year or so. She seems pretty "normal" and has really flourished, but a) I can't imagine her pain that those kids consider her a "suppressive person" and won't make any contact b) I just want to know about those 11 years. Katie wisened up faster and got her daughter out (in like, a SWAT team attempt to escape), and her daughter is a "suppressive person" who hasn't seen her dad in like 7 years. It's just so bizarre. I want a tell-all from Nicole.

And to add, Tom is widely rumored to be gay. How did these women get into this and out?

Yes, how did a regular guy attorney beat the machine of Scientology + Tom's resources? What were the triggers that let them know they needed to have a solid plan to get Katie and Suri out? The Nicole/Tom/kids issue is fascinating also. I think Nicole's fame was built by Tom's people and she had to keep up her end of the deal.

I would absolutely love to know the details of the bolded above, but I'm not entirely surprised that Martin Holmes was able to put this together. It's called working outside the system with good people you trust, everyone keeping their mouth shut, and luck. Now how all that came together is something I would like to read.

I'm convinced that Katie Holmes's father likely worked with Nicole Kidman to get Katie out of that marriage with Suri. Nicole likely instructed them on what evidence to gather, how to exploit the Scientology system/structure, etc.

After Nicole lost her kids, I doubt she wanted to see Katie go through the same thing. In fact, you'd do anything to ensure that man (TC) doesn't hurt another mom.

I don't buy that Kidman was involved. Doesn't make any sense. There are a lot of ex-scientologists out there as well as PIs who have been on the case for a long time that understand the inner workings. And any advice from Kidman is tainted as she's the ex-spouse.

There was either a mountain of evidence of ongoing issues or very specific evidence of harm to Suri or planned harm to Suri. I tend to think it was the latter.

There is no way Tom Cruise, famously known for being ultra competitive and hating to lose, came to an amicable agreement on the custody of his daughter.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:How come they seriously can’t figure out who killed Biggie and Tupac?

Right? You'd think there would be footage of this somewhere, or people talking. And who killed Jon Benet? Or kidnapped Madeleine McCann?

I think nearly everyone who has looked closely at the case agrees: it was the brother. And the parents covered it up.

I just don't see it. Burke wasn't their golden child like JonBenet. Why protect your 2nd choice kid?

Because they'd already lost one kid. Not protecting Burke wouldn't bring Jonbenet back, and they would likely lose their other kid.

I'm not saying that I'd do the same thing they did, but I can understand wanting to keep your only remaining child out of the juvenile system for what may have been an accident. Maybe he would've gotten some kind of lenient sentence, but they didn't know that in the moment. I hope they got him whatever help he needed over the years.

No, they wouldn't. He was a child, and it was an accident.

Feel free to read the rest of what I wrote. They could've "lost" him to the juvenile justice system, and who knows what would have happened to him there. They were rich and could've had great legal representation, I'm sure, but they weren't lawyers and probably had little to no experience with criminal justice. And even if a lawyer got him off the hook, he'd been forever known as the kid who killed his sister.

In a crisis moment, with their daughter laying their dead, and the risk that their son could be taken away? They made a snap decision to shield their son from the consequences. I'm not at all saying it was right. But I do feel pretty confident that that's how it happened.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:PPs have mentioned some good ones. This one was mentioned on early pages: all the details on how Katie escaped Tom Cruise.

This is one celeb book I would actually read. Katie or Nicole.

There is an article on this about Katie with a lot of detail, although not everything. To summarize, her father was an attorney (I think family law) who helped her to get out.

Yes, I've read about that. Still a lot for a small town family law attorney to get her out of the grips of Scientology, but I'd still like to know more. I really want to know about Nicole. They were together something like 11 years and "infertile" when they adopted those 2 kids who have now disowned her since she freed herself from the church. She broke free and...they both (Tom and Nicole) had 1 and 2 biological kids within a year or so. She seems pretty "normal" and has really flourished, but a) I can't imagine her pain that those kids consider her a "suppressive person" and won't make any contact b) I just want to know about those 11 years. Katie wisened up faster and got her daughter out (in like, a SWAT team attempt to escape), and her daughter is a "suppressive person" who hasn't seen her dad in like 7 years. It's just so bizarre. I want a tell-all from Nicole.

And to add, Tom is widely rumored to be gay. How did these women get into this and out?

Bronson Pinchot talked about Tom Cruise being homophobic to the point of being bizarre when they were filming Risky Business, Tom's break out film. Tom acted like he was a huge star while he was a nobody and every third sentence was strangely homophobic. Like protest much TC? It's an interesting read.

The part about Tom Cruise acting like a star from the beginning tracks with Rob Lowe's memoir too. The homophobia - who knows? Maybe rumors were swirling back then and that was his reaction?

[Anonymous]

I think John killed Jonbenet and was going to use dropping the “ransom” as a cover for getting the body out of the house, but Patsy (who was not in on it) screwed up the plan by ignoring the note’s instructions not to call the police.

I don’t think Burke did it for the sole reason that no parent would garrote their beloved child.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think John killed Jonbenet and was going to use dropping the “ransom” as a cover for getting the body out of the house, but Patsy (who was not in on it) screwed up the plan by ignoring the note’s instructions not to call the police.

I don’t think Burke did it for the sole reason that no parent would garrote their beloved child.

But isn't your theory that John garroted Jonbenet?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve fallen down a Will Smith/Jada Pickett rabbit hole since the Oscars slap. The rumors have been all over the place with those 2 and the only confirmed affair is with August Alsina. I’d love to know the real deal of their history together and the parties involved.

The new video that is out of her surprise attacking him with a camera in their home when he didn't want to participate is very helpful in understand what goes on with them. She insulted him when he clearly tried to set a boundary in their home wrt her filming him for her show. She must have a mountain of dirt on him for him to put up with her abusive sh&t.

I kept saying in 5e other thread that she is abusive and clearly has dirt on him but people kept defending her. Jada is pure trash.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think John killed Jonbenet and was going to use dropping the “ransom” as a cover for getting the body out of the house, but Patsy (who was not in on it) screwed up the plan by ignoring the note’s instructions not to call the police.

I don’t think Burke did it for the sole reason that no parent would garrote their beloved child.

But isn't your theory that John garroted Jonbenet?

Yes, as the killer. Not as a cover-up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I'm also curious about the Taylor Swift and Karlie Kloss relationship. I'm not at all a Swiftie but a bi woman who loves the female relationship tea.

As far as I’m concerned the song Dress is proof of Kaylor hahahaha. She even chose the name of the song - “Dress” - as something that is in the closet.