VA is now anti voting State

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This is a classic beltway argument. Voter ID polls incredibly high across all subsets nationally. It is passed in numerous states with no greater harm to the electorate. I think its a loser for the Dems if they chose to die on this hill. People understand you need ID to do certain things in this country. If you can get a cell phone, a bank card, have cable tv, internet service, shop online, fly on a plane, drive a car, ride the train, order a beer, buy cigarettes....you can figure out the voter id requirements.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a classic beltway argument. Voter ID polls incredibly high across all subsets nationally. It is passed in numerous states with no greater harm to the electorate. I think its a loser for the Dems if they chose to die on this hill. People understand you need ID to do certain things in this country. If you can get a cell phone, a bank card, have cable tv, internet service, shop online, fly on a plane, drive a car, ride the train, order a beer, buy cigarettes....you can figure out the voter id requirements.

none of those are protected rights.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a classic beltway argument. Voter ID polls incredibly high across all subsets nationally. It is passed in numerous states with no greater harm to the electorate. I think its a loser for the Dems if they chose to die on this hill. People understand you need ID to do certain things in this country. If you can get a cell phone, a bank card, have cable tv, internet service, shop online, fly on a plane, drive a car, ride the train, order a beer, buy cigarettes....you can figure out the voter id requirements.

none of those are protected rights.

It's true, all the listed above "certain things" are not the rights. They are privileges... for those who are... privileged. However, the right for health care is a recognized and protected right. The covid 19 vaccination requires a photo ID. To my question of how people who have no ID could get their vaccination the nurse said she has no idea and added that this is a policy. Then, consistently following the pattern established by this Byron's policy (no photo ID -> no vaccination) and the most recent Democ rat's proposals, like Howard Stern's (no vaccination -> no hospital care), one can propose: no photo ID -> no vote.

And here is a serious question: so, how all these people without valid photo ID get vaccinated? It looks like Byron and the progressives deprived all the no-photo-IDers from the protected right for healthcare and, since the vaccination is mandated, from the right for a job.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a classic beltway argument. Voter ID polls incredibly high across all subsets nationally. It is passed in numerous states with no greater harm to the electorate. I think its a loser for the Dems if they chose to die on this hill. People understand you need ID to do certain things in this country. If you can get a cell phone, a bank card, have cable tv, internet service, shop online, fly on a plane, drive a car, ride the train, order a beer, buy cigarettes....you can figure out the voter id requirements.

none of those are protected rights.

It's true, all the listed above "certain things" are not the rights. They are privileges... for those who are... privileged. However, the right for health care is a recognized and protected right. The covid 19 vaccination requires a photo ID. To my question of how people who have no ID could get their vaccination the nurse said she has no idea and added that this is a policy. Then, consistently following the pattern established by this Byron's policy (no photo ID -> no vaccination) and the most recent Democ rat's proposals, like Howard Stern's (no vaccination -> no hospital care), one can propose: no photo ID -> no vote.

And here is a serious question: so, how all these people without valid photo ID get vaccinated? It looks like Byron and the progressives deprived all the no-photo-IDers from the protected right for healthcare and, since the vaccination is mandated, from the right for a job.

No, it doesn’t.

Go to an gov’t-run clinic and get vaccine there. Easy.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a classic beltway argument. Voter ID polls incredibly high across all subsets nationally. It is passed in numerous states with no greater harm to the electorate. I think its a loser for the Dems if they chose to die on this hill. People understand you need ID to do certain things in this country. If you can get a cell phone, a bank card, have cable tv, internet service, shop online, fly on a plane, drive a car, ride the train, order a beer, buy cigarettes....you can figure out the voter id requirements.

none of those are protected rights.

It's true, all the listed above "certain things" are not the rights. They are privileges... for those who are... privileged. However, the right for health care is a recognized and protected right. The covid 19 vaccination requires a photo ID. To my question of how people who have no ID could get their vaccination the nurse said she has no idea and added that this is a policy. Then, consistently following the pattern established by this Byron's policy (no photo ID -> no vaccination) and the most recent Democ rat's proposals, like Howard Stern's (no vaccination -> no hospital care), one can propose: no photo ID -> no vote.

And here is a serious question: so, how all these people without valid photo ID get vaccinated? It looks like Byron and the progressives deprived all the no-photo-IDers from the protected right for healthcare and, since the vaccination is mandated, from the right for a job.

No, it doesn’t.

Go to an gov’t-run clinic and get vaccine there. Easy.

You don’t need a valid photo ID to get vaccinated.
“Please bring any form of identification to confirm your identity (examples include utility bill, paystub, insurance card, or a driver’s license).”

https://www.arlingtonva.us/Government/Programs/Health/COVID-19/COVID-19-Vaccine/COVID-19-Vaccine-Clinic-Registration

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Anonymous wrote:If your MIL is too lazy to get an ID, she doesn’t need to vote. JFC. Voting is a privilege. Make some effort you lazy bums.

I’ll tell her to stop being lazy and wheel herself, with the one hand that works, down to the DMV, even though she doesn’t have the documentation to get an ID in VA. That’ll show her!

Maybe her family could help her? How has she managed to vote in any and all elections up to this point if she is that incapable? There were prior voter ID requirements in Va not that long ago.

What about the people in her situation who don’t have wealthy family nearby?

Expired ID has been acceptable in the past. This is a new proposed requirement.

Why do you need to be wealthy to help someone vote by mail? Why do you need to be wealthy to help someone to get the DMV to get a free ID card? Presumably they either had help getting to a polling station or help filling out a mail in ballot in the past.

It’s more than a trip to the DMV for a free ID card. Stop being obtuse.

Oh yeah, you're right. You have to fill out this form and get your picture taken. For free. With assistance if needed.

https://www.elections.virginia.gov/media/archive/voter-photo-id/ELECT-404-ID-VoPhoIDCardApp-Long.pdf

Did you even read this form? She DOES NOT HAVE THE REQUIRED ID to use this form.

Did you? On the form:

Any voter lacking proper photo identification may apply for a Virginia Voter Photo Identification card at any
General Registrar’s office throughout Virginia.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a classic beltway argument. Voter ID polls incredibly high across all subsets nationally. It is passed in numerous states with no greater harm to the electorate. I think its a loser for the Dems if they chose to die on this hill. People understand you need ID to do certain things in this country. If you can get a cell phone, a bank card, have cable tv, internet service, shop online, fly on a plane, drive a car, ride the train, order a beer, buy cigarettes....you can figure out the voter id requirements.

none of those are protected rights.

I get that the above aren't rights. But, you still need an ID to do any of them...an ID that would also work re voting. This is what I mean re beltway argument. Common sense takes a back seat.

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Anonymous wrote:If your MIL is too lazy to get an ID, she doesn’t need to vote. JFC. Voting is a privilege. Make some effort you lazy bums.

I’ll tell her to stop being lazy and wheel herself, with the one hand that works, down to the DMV, even though she doesn’t have the documentation to get an ID in VA. That’ll show her!

Maybe her family could help her? How has she managed to vote in any and all elections up to this point if she is that incapable? There were prior voter ID requirements in Va not that long ago.

What about the people in her situation who don’t have wealthy family nearby?

Expired ID has been acceptable in the past. This is a new proposed requirement.

Why do you need to be wealthy to help someone vote by mail? Why do you need to be wealthy to help someone to get the DMV to get a free ID card? Presumably they either had help getting to a polling station or help filling out a mail in ballot in the past.

It’s more than a trip to the DMV for a free ID card. Stop being obtuse.

Oh yeah, you're right. You have to fill out this form and get your picture taken. For free. With assistance if needed.

https://www.elections.virginia.gov/media/archive/voter-photo-id/ELECT-404-ID-VoPhoIDCardApp-Long.pdf

Did you even read this form? She DOES NOT HAVE THE REQUIRED ID to use this form.

Good gosh, no wonder dems struggle to vote. The form lists forms of ID that are accepted to vote. This is what you fill out if you don't have the other forms of ID. You only need this form and to apply in person. Jeesh. It's not that hard to understand.

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Anonymous wrote:If your MIL is too lazy to get an ID, she doesn’t need to vote. JFC. Voting is a privilege. Make some effort you lazy bums.

I’ll tell her to stop being lazy and wheel herself, with the one hand that works, down to the DMV, even though she doesn’t have the documentation to get an ID in VA. That’ll show her!

Maybe her family could help her? How has she managed to vote in any and all elections up to this point if she is that incapable? There were prior voter ID requirements in Va not that long ago.

What about the people in her situation who don’t have wealthy family nearby?

Expired ID has been acceptable in the past. This is a new proposed requirement.

Why do you need to be wealthy to help someone vote by mail? Why do you need to be wealthy to help someone to get the DMV to get a free ID card? Presumably they either had help getting to a polling station or help filling out a mail in ballot in the past.

It’s more than a trip to the DMV for a free ID card. Stop being obtuse.

Oh yeah, you're right. You have to fill out this form and get your picture taken. For free. With assistance if needed.

https://www.elections.virginia.gov/media/archive/voter-photo-id/ELECT-404-ID-VoPhoIDCardApp-Long.pdf

Did you even read this form? She DOES NOT HAVE THE REQUIRED ID to use this form.

Good gosh, no wonder dems struggle to vote. The form lists forms of ID that are accepted to vote. This is what you fill out if you don't have the other forms of ID. You only need this form and to apply in person. Jeesh. It's not that hard to understand.

You have "reading comprehension privilege" over the PP and should feel ashamed.

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Anonymous wrote:This will keep my disabled MIL from voting. She has a Maryland ID, but her naturalization paperwork has her name from 4 husbands ago, so she can’t get a picture ID here. I guess we will start the very long process of sending all of the marriage and death certificates to the state department.

Why didn't you do this all along?

Ding ding ding. You'd think that would be the obvious thing to do, wouldn't you? The excuses are just... mind-numbing.
DP

Maybe because it costs $555 and is a PITA?

I just looked this up. It costs $41 to change your name in VA. Any more excuses?

http://webdev.courts.state.va.us/cgi-bin/DJIT/ef_djs_ccfees_calc.cgi#ID_CALC_FRM

PP was talking about updating naturalization documents.
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/forms/n-565instr.pdf

It sounds like the MIL is *already* naturalized. Seems she has needed to change her name for some time, however (four husbands ago??). This is simply not the concern of 99.9% of people.

The point is there are a variety of scenarios where someone may be a registered voter but not have a valid photo ID.

It’s an added burden that is trying to fix a problem that doesn’t exist.

There is no undue burden. There are only 15 states plus D.C. that do not require some form of ID to vote in person. The states that do have a valid picture ID requirement will provide free IDs, many through mobile units. People without a driver's license typically still need some form of ID to do most business-related transactions, travel, etc. People who don't drive so don't have a driver's license still need to go out to go to work, get groceries, got to doctors, go to the bank, the post office, etc., are generally pretty adept at getting around on public transport, so the argument that it is so extraordinarily difficult for MOST people to get an ID or go vote is absurd. If this is all still an obstacle, then there is always mail in voting, which requires no ID. On top of all that, there are multiple volunteer organizations that run free transport to polling stations on election days. Any further anecdotal arguments about a family member that apparently no one in the family gave good advice to, like updating your name change status four husbands ago or an invalid relative, maybe should have more helpful and accommodating family, especially to assist them in mail in voting.

Boom. End thread.

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Anonymous wrote:If your MIL is too lazy to get an ID, she doesn’t need to vote. JFC. Voting is a privilege. Make some effort you lazy bums.

I’ll tell her to stop being lazy and wheel herself, with the one hand that works, down to the DMV, even though she doesn’t have the documentation to get an ID in VA. That’ll show her!

Maybe her family could help her? How has she managed to vote in any and all elections up to this point if she is that incapable? There were prior voter ID requirements in Va not that long ago.

I don’t think you understand how rights work.

Yeah, actually I do.

Then you should know we don’t deprive people of their rights based on a disability.

No one is depriving her of her any rights based on a disability.

Republicans want to deprive her.

Actually, sounds like her selfish DIL and the rest of her useless family want to deprive her. They should have made sure she had all the proper documentation in order LONG ago. Instead, her excuse-making DIL takes to DCUM to complain about her poor MIL, when she could have rectified the situation long ago. Cry me a river.

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Anonymous wrote:If your MIL is too lazy to get an ID, she doesn’t need to vote. JFC. Voting is a privilege. Make some effort you lazy bums.

I’ll tell her to stop being lazy and wheel herself, with the one hand that works, down to the DMV, even though she doesn’t have the documentation to get an ID in VA. That’ll show her!

Maybe her family could help her? How has she managed to vote in any and all elections up to this point if she is that incapable? There were prior voter ID requirements in Va not that long ago.

What about the people in her situation who don’t have wealthy family nearby?

Expired ID has been acceptable in the past. This is a new proposed requirement.

Why do you need to be wealthy to help someone vote by mail? Why do you need to be wealthy to help someone to get the DMV to get a free ID card? Presumably they either had help getting to a polling station or help filling out a mail in ballot in the past.

It’s more than a trip to the DMV for a free ID card. Stop being obtuse.

Oh yeah, you're right. You have to fill out this form and get your picture taken. For free. With assistance if needed.

https://www.elections.virginia.gov/media/archive/voter-photo-id/ELECT-404-ID-VoPhoIDCardApp-Long.pdf

Too hard!!! Waaaaah!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is a classic beltway argument. Voter ID polls incredibly high across all subsets nationally. It is passed in numerous states with no greater harm to the electorate. I think its a loser for the Dems if they chose to die on this hill. People understand you need ID to do certain things in this country. If you can get a cell phone, a bank card, have cable tv, internet service, shop online, fly on a plane, drive a car, ride the train, order a beer, buy cigarettes....you can figure out the voter id requirements.

Precisely this. And anyone with even a grain of common sense would agree.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a classic beltway argument. Voter ID polls incredibly high across all subsets nationally. It is passed in numerous states with no greater harm to the electorate. I think its a loser for the Dems if they chose to die on this hill. People understand you need ID to do certain things in this country. If you can get a cell phone, a bank card, have cable tv, internet service, shop online, fly on a plane, drive a car, ride the train, order a beer, buy cigarettes....you can figure out the voter id requirements.

It's one reason I'm not protesting voter ID, most of the people I know who will be affected are older Republicans who are rarely asked to show their id anywhere, especially small town white Republicans.

I'm a middle aged white person, the only place I've had to show my id this year is to get my Covid vaccines. If your life is same old, same old all the time, like my old school conservative relatives, you could almost never have to show an id for years.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a classic beltway argument. Voter ID polls incredibly high across all subsets nationally. It is passed in numerous states with no greater harm to the electorate. I think its a loser for the Dems if they chose to die on this hill. People understand you need ID to do certain things in this country. If you can get a cell phone, a bank card, have cable tv, internet service, shop online, fly on a plane, drive a car, ride the train, order a beer, buy cigarettes....you can figure out the voter id requirements.

It's one reason I'm not protesting voter ID, most of the people I know who will be affected are older Republicans who are rarely asked to show their id anywhere, especially small town white Republicans.

I'm a middle aged white person, the only place I've had to show my id this year is to get my Covid vaccines. If your life is same old, same old all the time, like my old school conservative relatives, you could almost never have to show an id for years.

My older, white, conservative relatives all have valid ID. Why? So they can vote, as well as travel, seek medical care, and any number of other scenarios in which ID is requested. They would never dream of making up lame excuses to get out of showing their ID.