VA is now anti voting State

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow, this is really severe problem. Nearly a dozen people affected.

Oh yes, this is everyone in the U.S. who is affected. As a journalist, I can tell you that doing a story like this is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Just because you live in a privileged, selfish bubble doesn't mean others aren't as fortunate.

[Anonymous]

None of your stories give the full picture, just the singled out, anecdotal "voter suppression" angle is presented. Many involve elderly voters, and these states allow voters over 65 to vote absentee without needing ID. Several states allow expired driver licenses for elderly. Many of your examples state the person didn't have the funds to obtain their birth certificate, but every state has a provision to provide that free of charge, if needed. Every state allows obtaining an ID through other means if none of the required documents are not available. Here is the info from the Texas website.

"Voters who do not possess an acceptable form of photo identification and cannot reasonably obtain one of the forms of acceptable photo identification listed below may present a supporting form of identification and execute a Reasonable Impediment Declaration, noting the voter’s reasonable impediment to obtaining an acceptable form of photo identification, stating that the information contained in the declaration is true, that the voter is the same individual personally appearing at the polling place to sign the declaration, and that the voter faces a reasonable impediment to procuring an acceptable form of photo identification."

Your person in Michigan was trying to obtain a state ID to get an apartment. If he wanted to vote, this is right from the Michigan website: "Please note that voters who do not have an acceptable form of ID or failed to bring it with them to the polls still can vote. They simply sign a brief affidavit stating that they're not in possession of a photo ID. Their ballots are included with all others and counted on Election Day."

In the Tennessee case, for example, the person in the article is 96 years old. It doesn't state whether she lives in assisted living or a nursing home, but you do not need to show any form of ID when voting in a nursing home or assisted living facility as well as being able to obtain a no excuse absentee ballot if you are over age 65.

A large number of the cases involve people whose birth certificates or other documentation had misspelled their name, including a lady who had multiple documents with misspellings that she never once corrected on a single document ever?!

You cite a voter who is elderly and handicapped. He is a perfect candidate for an absentee ballot. Ohio voter goes to get a veteran ID card to vote without checking on the website if it would be a valid form of ID.

Each of these actually has a pretty simple resolution.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, this is really severe problem. Nearly a dozen people affected.

Oh yes, this is everyone in the U.S. who is affected. As a journalist, I can tell you that doing a story like this is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Just because you live in a privileged, selfish bubble doesn't mean others aren't as fortunate.

Your list of copied stories does nothing but prove that there are always exceptions to the rule. Again, getting an ID card is easy for 99.99% of responsible adults. But sure, find all the 80+ year olds that ignored their legal identity for years and now have to get their act together to prove who they are. What’s funny is that the reporters writing those stories probably just assumed those folks were who they said they were. I doubt there was a lot of time spent verifying these facts.

Getting an ID has little to do with privilege or bubbles or selfishness. It has everything to do with getting your act together.

However, why not start a national voter registration program that uses your DNA at birth as your legal identity. Then simply give blood at the polls to verify your identity. I am sure someone would find some issue with that hardship too. “Traumatic” “Cruel” “the poor don’t have blood” “the powerful and rich have corrupted the national DNA database” etc.

There will always be excuses for those that need them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Wow, this is really severe problem. Nearly a dozen people affected.

Oh yes, this is everyone in the U.S. who is affected. As a journalist, I can tell you that doing a story like this is like shooting fish in a barrel.

Just because you live in a privileged, selfish bubble doesn't mean others aren't as fortunate.

Your list of copied stories does nothing but prove that there are always exceptions to the rule. Again, getting an ID card is easy for 99.99% of responsible adults. But sure, find all the 80+ year olds that ignored their legal identity for years and now have to get their act together to prove who they are. What’s funny is that the reporters writing those stories probably just assumed those folks were who they said they were. I doubt there was a lot of time spent verifying these facts.

Getting an ID has little to do with privilege or bubbles or selfishness. It has everything to do with getting your act together.

However, why not start a national voter registration program that uses your DNA at birth as your legal identity. Then simply give blood at the polls to verify your identity. I am sure someone would find some issue with that hardship too. “Traumatic” “Cruel” “the poor don’t have blood” “the powerful and rich have corrupted the national DNA database” etc.

There will always be excuses for those that need them.

So speaking of proof....where is the proof that this is needed at all?

What specifically has happened to drive this change?

[Anonymous]

So speaking of proof....where is the proof that this is needed at all?

What specifically has happened to drive this change?

Sending absentee voter applications to people who no longer live at a residence.
Not checking and verifying the ballots--envelopes disappearing.
Drop boxes that are unattended.
Ballot harvesting.

This may not have occurred in Virginia, but it occurred in other places.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So speaking of proof....where is the proof that this is needed at all?

What specifically has happened to drive this change?

Sending absentee voter applications to people who no longer live at a residence.
Not checking and verifying the ballots--envelopes disappearing.
Drop boxes that are unattended.
Ballot harvesting.

This may not have occurred in Virginia, but it occurred in other places.

So no actual evidence of voter fraud?

You want to infringe on people's right to vote based on zero evidence?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

So speaking of proof....where is the proof that this is needed at all?

What specifically has happened to drive this change?

Sending absentee voter applications to people who no longer live at a residence.
Not checking and verifying the ballots--envelopes disappearing.
Drop boxes that are unattended.
Ballot harvesting.

This may not have occurred in Virginia, but it occurred in other places.

Never happened. Just more lies.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So speaking of proof....where is the proof that this is needed at all?

What specifically has happened to drive this change?

Sending absentee voter applications to people who no longer live at a residence.
Not checking and verifying the ballots--envelopes disappearing.
Drop boxes that are unattended.
Ballot harvesting.

This may not have occurred in Virginia, but it occurred in other places.

So no actual evidence of voter fraud?

You want to infringe on people's right to vote based on zero evidence?

No one has to prove voter fraud to you or anyone else. Repeated polls show 80% want voter ID. State representatives are doing what the large majority of people say they want, so states are responding. It's that simple.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So speaking of proof....where is the proof that this is needed at all?

What specifically has happened to drive this change?

Sending absentee voter applications to people who no longer live at a residence.
Not checking and verifying the ballots--envelopes disappearing.
Drop boxes that are unattended.
Ballot harvesting.

This may not have occurred in Virginia, but it occurred in other places.

So no actual evidence of voter fraud?

You want to infringe on people's right to vote based on zero evidence?

No one has to prove voter fraud to you or anyone else. Repeated polls show 80% want voter ID. State representatives are doing what the large majority of people say they want, so states are responding. It's that simple.

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I have to sometimes remind myself that the LWNJs we see here who are so irrationally dead-set against voter ID make up a tiny percentage of Americans. Their wacko opinion is actually irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So speaking of proof....where is the proof that this is needed at all?

What specifically has happened to drive this change?

Sending absentee voter applications to people who no longer live at a residence.
Not checking and verifying the ballots--envelopes disappearing.
Drop boxes that are unattended.
Ballot harvesting.

This may not have occurred in Virginia, but it occurred in other places.

So no actual evidence of voter fraud?

You want to infringe on people's right to vote based on zero evidence?

No one has to prove voter fraud to you or anyone else. Repeated polls show 80% want voter ID. State representatives are doing what the large majority of people say they want, so states are responding. It's that simple.

No, you're trying to take away people's vote. You need a pretty damn good reason to do that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

So speaking of proof....where is the proof that this is needed at all?

What specifically has happened to drive this change?

Sending absentee voter applications to people who no longer live at a residence.
Not checking and verifying the ballots--envelopes disappearing.
Drop boxes that are unattended.
Ballot harvesting.

This may not have occurred in Virginia, but it occurred in other places.

So no actual evidence of voter fraud?

You want to infringe on people's right to vote based on zero evidence?

No one has to prove voter fraud to you or anyone else. Repeated polls show 80% want voter ID. State representatives are doing what the large majority of people say they want, so states are responding. It's that simple.

No, you're trying to take away people's vote. You need a pretty damn good reason to do that.

80% of Americans - black, white, Hispanic, Asian - disagree with you. Oh well!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thread title is deliberately misleading. None of those Bills would prevent registered voters from voting.

Post reported.

It would prevent me from voting.

- registered voter

Not if you simply chose to comply with the law.

+1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thread title is deliberately misleading. None of those Bills would prevent registered voters from voting.

Post reported.

It would prevent me from voting.

- registered voter

Not if you simply chose to comply with the law.

+1

There is no law that adults are required to have an unexpired photo ID.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thread title is deliberately misleading. None of those Bills would prevent registered voters from voting.

Post reported.

It would prevent me from voting.

- registered voter

Not if you simply chose to comply with the law.

+1

There is no law that adults are required to have an unexpired photo ID.

Is requiring you to register to vote an issue for you? If I am not currently registered to vote, requiring me to register is preventing me from voting. You are taking away my right to vote. SHAME ON YOU for infringing on my rights like that. It is a hardship for me. I have no family to help. I have no money for a computer to register online, and I have to take a bus to go to register in person. Why do you require me to register to vote? Voting is MY RIGHT! How dare you require me to fill out a paper first and take away my right!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Thread title is deliberately misleading. None of those Bills would prevent registered voters from voting.

Post reported.

It would prevent me from voting.

- registered voter

Not if you simply chose to comply with the law.

+1

There is no law that adults are required to have an unexpired photo ID.

Is requiring you to register to vote an issue for you? If I am not currently registered to vote, requiring me to register is preventing me from voting. You are taking away my right to vote. SHAME ON YOU for infringing on my rights like that. It is a hardship for me. I have no family to help. I have no money for a computer to register online, and I have to take a bus to go to register in person. Why do you require me to register to vote? Voting is MY RIGHT! How dare you require me to fill out a paper first and take away my right!

Nice irony.

Like a PP said, those arguing against some form of ID are irrelevant. In order to vote you must be a citizen of the country (national elections) or a legal resident of the jurisdiction (SLTT elections). In order to verify that criteria (that you are a resident/citizen and that you are who you say you are) some form of verifiable identification is required. Picture, fingerprint, ID and password, signature, something. Otherwise it shall be assumed that you do not have voting rights because you are not a citizen/resident and/or you are not who you say you are. This is not hard to understand folks. Stop being disingenuous with your arguments.