VA is now anti voting State

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If your MIL is too lazy to get an ID, she doesn’t need to vote. JFC. Voting is a privilege. Make some effort you lazy bums.

I’ll tell her to stop being lazy and wheel herself, with the one hand that works, down to the DMV, even though she doesn’t have the documentation to get an ID in VA. That’ll show her!

Why didn't your MIL use one of her stimulus checks to get this sorted out when the DMVs re-opened. What did she do with that money?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a classic beltway argument. Voter ID polls incredibly high across all subsets nationally. It is passed in numerous states with no greater harm to the electorate. I think its a loser for the Dems if they chose to die on this hill. People understand you need ID to do certain things in this country. If you can get a cell phone, a bank card, have cable tv, internet service, shop online, fly on a plane, drive a car, ride the train, order a beer, buy cigarettes....you can figure out the voter id requirements.

It's one reason I'm not protesting voter ID, most of the people I know who will be affected are older Republicans who are rarely asked to show their id anywhere, especially small town white Republicans.

I'm a middle aged white person, the only place I've had to show my id this year is to get my Covid vaccines. If your life is same old, same old all the time, like my old school conservative relatives, you could almost never have to show an id for years.

I'm an old white woman and I have to show my ID any time I buy wine at Safeway. They were busted a few years ago for selling beer to high school kids with fake IDs and are now scrupulous about checking all IDs for everyone.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This will keep my disabled MIL from voting. She has a Maryland ID, but her naturalization paperwork has her name from 4 husbands ago, so she can’t get a picture ID here. I guess we will start the very long process of sending all of the marriage and death certificates to the state department.

Why didn't you do this all along?

Ding ding ding. You'd think that would be the obvious thing to do, wouldn't you? The excuses are just... mind-numbing.
DP

Maybe because it costs $555 and is a PITA?

I just looked this up. It costs $41 to change your name in VA. Any more excuses?

http://webdev.courts.state.va.us/cgi-bin/DJIT/ef_djs_ccfees_calc.cgi#ID_CALC_FRM

PP was talking about updating naturalization documents.
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/forms/n-565instr.pdf

It sounds like the MIL is *already* naturalized. Seems she has needed to change her name for some time, however (four husbands ago??). This is simply not the concern of 99.9% of people.

The point is there are a variety of scenarios where someone may be a registered voter but not have a valid photo ID.

It’s an added burden that is trying to fix a problem that doesn’t exist.

There is no undue burden. There are only 15 states plus D.C. that do not require some form of ID to vote in person. The states that do have a valid picture ID requirement will provide free IDs, many through mobile units. People without a driver's license typically still need some form of ID to do most business-related transactions, travel, etc. People who don't drive so don't have a driver's license still need to go out to go to work, get groceries, got to doctors, go to the bank, the post office, etc., are generally pretty adept at getting around on public transport, so the argument that it is so extraordinarily difficult for MOST people to get an ID or go vote is absurd. If this is all still an obstacle, then there is always mail in voting, which requires no ID. On top of all that, there are multiple volunteer organizations that run free transport to polling stations on election days. Any further anecdotal arguments about a family member that apparently no one in the family gave good advice to, like updating your name change status four husbands ago or an invalid relative, maybe should have more helpful and accommodating family, especially to assist them in mail in voting.

Boom. End thread.

Now I am wondering which of the four husband's fathered the son who became the poster's husband. This has such a 90 Day Fiance vibe to it.

[Anonymous]

Fortunately Virginia Dems are maintaining a solid blue wall.

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Anonymous wrote:Fortunately Virginia Dems are maintaining a solid blue wall.

And why have Republicans decided that all of these changes are suddenly necessary? VA elections ran fine in 2020 and 2021.

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Anonymous wrote:Fortunately Virginia Dems are maintaining a solid blue wall.

Is this the woman that VA Dems cast aside to make way for Terry McAuliffe? Oh.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Fortunately Virginia Dems are maintaining a solid blue wall.

Is this the woman that VA Dems cast aside to make way for Terry McAuliffe? Oh.

I don't agree with putting the requirement back to justify absentee voting, but the other measures proposed are reasonable.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a classic beltway argument. Voter ID polls incredibly high across all subsets nationally. It is passed in numerous states with no greater harm to the electorate. I think its a loser for the Dems if they chose to die on this hill. People understand you need ID to do certain things in this country. If you can get a cell phone, a bank card, have cable tv, internet service, shop online, fly on a plane, drive a car, ride the train, order a beer, buy cigarettes....you can figure out the voter id requirements.

none of those are protected rights.

I get that the above aren't rights. But, you still need an ID to do any of them...an ID that would also work re voting. This is what I mean re beltway argument. Common sense takes a back seat.

Perhaps you have difficulty looking beyond people who live like you. I don’t drink or smoke. I frequently shop on line — and have never needed a photo ID to do so. I’m an old, so my cell phone, bank accounts, credit card accounts, cable, and internet service have been in place for over a decade, and none of them required a photo ID. I haven’t needed an ID to ride the train, or to go to the dentist. I do need ID for my current health care options, but I did not when I went to a physician in private practice, and don’t for the dentist.
I’m not sure if these arguments are disingenuous, ignorant, or both, but I hope that the people making them have assisted at least one non-driving, home bound person with accessing what they need to vote.

TLDR: Many people would be fine with voter ID requirements if they were free and easily available. In the unlikely event that the voter ID zealots are sincere, why not work harder on that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a classic beltway argument. Voter ID polls incredibly high across all subsets nationally. It is passed in numerous states with no greater harm to the electorate. I think its a loser for the Dems if they chose to die on this hill. People understand you need ID to do certain things in this country. If you can get a cell phone, a bank card, have cable tv, internet service, shop online, fly on a plane, drive a car, ride the train, order a beer, buy cigarettes....you can figure out the voter id requirements.

none of those are protected rights.

I get that the above aren't rights. But, you still need an ID to do any of them...an ID that would also work re voting. This is what I mean re beltway argument. Common sense takes a back seat.

Perhaps you have difficulty looking beyond people who live like you. I don’t drink or smoke. I frequently shop on line — and have never needed a photo ID to do so. I’m an old, so my cell phone, bank accounts, credit card accounts, cable, and internet service have been in place for over a decade, and none of them required a photo ID. I haven’t needed an ID to ride the train, or to go to the dentist. I do need ID for my current health care options, but I did not when I went to a physician in private practice, and don’t for the dentist.
I’m not sure if these arguments are disingenuous, ignorant, or both, but I hope that the people making them have assisted at least one non-driving, home bound person with accessing what they need to vote.

TLDR: Many people would be fine with voter ID requirements if they were free and easily available. In the unlikely event that the voter ID zealots are sincere, why not work harder on that?

Exactly. That is how we know they are NOT sincere.

[Anonymous]

Every time I say that lots of old conservatives aren't going to be able to vote here when they put in new election laws, everyone else tells me I'm wrong. Well Texas is on the cutting edge:
https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2022/01/26/ive-never-missed-a-vote-95-year-old-world-war-ii-veteran-says-his-mail-in-ballot-application-has-been-denied-twice-due-to-new-requirements/

A lot of people are going to be kept from voting, but not all of them will be non-white or liberal. Hope it's worth it for the republicans.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a classic beltway argument. Voter ID polls incredibly high across all subsets nationally. It is passed in numerous states with no greater harm to the electorate. I think its a loser for the Dems if they chose to die on this hill. People understand you need ID to do certain things in this country. If you can get a cell phone, a bank card, have cable tv, internet service, shop online, fly on a plane, drive a car, ride the train, order a beer, buy cigarettes....you can figure out the voter id requirements.

none of those are protected rights.

I get that the above aren't rights. But, you still need an ID to do any of them...an ID that would also work re voting. This is what I mean re beltway argument. Common sense takes a back seat.

Perhaps you have difficulty looking beyond people who live like you. I don’t drink or smoke. I frequently shop on line — and have never needed a photo ID to do so. I’m an old, so my cell phone, bank accounts, credit card accounts, cable, and internet service have been in place for over a decade, and none of them required a photo ID. I haven’t needed an ID to ride the train, or to go to the dentist. I do need ID for my current health care options, but I did not when I went to a physician in private practice, and don’t for the dentist.
I’m not sure if these arguments are disingenuous, ignorant, or both, but I hope that the people making them have assisted at least one non-driving, home bound person with accessing what they need to vote.

TLDR: Many people would be fine with voter ID requirements if they were free and easily available. In the unlikely event that the voter ID zealots are sincere, why not work harder on that?

They are. Maybe you should read about the various states that have the requirements (all free) and that they have mobile services to issue. No, they don't come to do door-to-door service, but they make it about as easy as possible and no more difficult than going to the doctor, library, grocery store, out to eat, etc. If you look at the form Virginia used prior, there is more to fill out on the actual voter registration form itself that the form to get an ID.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a classic beltway argument. Voter ID polls incredibly high across all subsets nationally. It is passed in numerous states with no greater harm to the electorate. I think its a loser for the Dems if they chose to die on this hill. People understand you need ID to do certain things in this country. If you can get a cell phone, a bank card, have cable tv, internet service, shop online, fly on a plane, drive a car, ride the train, order a beer, buy cigarettes....you can figure out the voter id requirements.

none of those are protected rights.

I get that the above aren't rights. But, you still need an ID to do any of them...an ID that would also work re voting. This is what I mean re beltway argument. Common sense takes a back seat.

Perhaps you have difficulty looking beyond people who live like you. I don’t drink or smoke. I frequently shop on line — and have never needed a photo ID to do so. I’m an old, so my cell phone, bank accounts, credit card accounts, cable, and internet service have been in place for over a decade, and none of them required a photo ID. I haven’t needed an ID to ride the train, or to go to the dentist. I do need ID for my current health care options, but I did not when I went to a physician in private practice, and don’t for the dentist.
I’m not sure if these arguments are disingenuous, ignorant, or both, but I hope that the people making them have assisted at least one non-driving, home bound person with accessing what they need to vote.

TLDR: Many people would be fine with voter ID requirements if they were free and easily available. In the unlikely event that the voter ID zealots are sincere, why not work harder on that?

They are. Maybe you should read about the various states that have the requirements (all free) and that they have mobile services to issue. No, they don't come to do door-to-door service, but they make it about as easy as possible and no more difficult than going to the doctor, library, grocery store, out to eat, etc. If you look at the form Virginia used prior, there is more to fill out on the actual voter registration form itself that the form to get an ID.

Look the republicans will use that information to go after voters. The republicans are doing this to get your information and punish you. They will track your vote, send their crazies to your work place, your kids school, etc calling you out by name. You know republicans are lying when they can not tell you any reason to have your vote ID’ed and tracked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a classic beltway argument. Voter ID polls incredibly high across all subsets nationally. It is passed in numerous states with no greater harm to the electorate. I think its a loser for the Dems if they chose to die on this hill. People understand you need ID to do certain things in this country. If you can get a cell phone, a bank card, have cable tv, internet service, shop online, fly on a plane, drive a car, ride the train, order a beer, buy cigarettes....you can figure out the voter id requirements.

none of those are protected rights.

I get that the above aren't rights. But, you still need an ID to do any of them...an ID that would also work re voting. This is what I mean re beltway argument. Common sense takes a back seat.

Perhaps you have difficulty looking beyond people who live like you. I don’t drink or smoke. I frequently shop on line — and have never needed a photo ID to do so. I’m an old, so my cell phone, bank accounts, credit card accounts, cable, and internet service have been in place for over a decade, and none of them required a photo ID. I haven’t needed an ID to ride the train, or to go to the dentist. I do need ID for my current health care options, but I did not when I went to a physician in private practice, and don’t for the dentist.
I’m not sure if these arguments are disingenuous, ignorant, or both, but I hope that the people making them have assisted at least one non-driving, home bound person with accessing what they need to vote.

TLDR: Many people would be fine with voter ID requirements if they were free and easily available. In the unlikely event that the voter ID zealots are sincere, why not work harder on that?

They are. Maybe you should read about the various states that have the requirements (all free) and that they have mobile services to issue. No, they don't come to do door-to-door service, but they make it about as easy as possible and no more difficult than going to the doctor, library, grocery store, out to eat, etc. If you look at the form Virginia used prior, there is more to fill out on the actual voter registration form itself that the form to get an ID.

Look the republicans will use that information to go after voters. The republicans are doing this to get your information and punish you. They will track your vote, send their crazies to your work place, your kids school, etc calling you out by name. You know republicans are lying when they can not tell you any reason to have your vote ID’ed and tracked.

You’ve lost all credibility with this paranoid argument. Also it just simply isn’t hard to get a valid picture ID of some form. I don’t care who you are or what your lame excuse is. It’s part of being an adult.

[Anonymous]

You’ve lost all credibility with this paranoid argument. Also it just simply isn’t hard to get a valid picture ID of some form. I don’t care who you are or what your lame excuse is. It’s part of being an adult.

“Holloway, a 58-year-old African-American man, moved from Illinois to Wisconsin in 2008 and voted without problems, until Wisconsin passed its voter-ID law in 2011. “I never miss voting,” he said. He brought his expired Illinois photo ID, birth certificate, and Social Security card to get a photo ID for voting, but the DMV in Milwaukee rejected his application because the name on his birth certificate read “Eddie Junior Holloway,” the result of a clerical error when it was issued.

Holloway, who worked as a cook in Illinois but is now unemployed and disabled, living with his family in Milwaukee, got a ride downtown to the Vital Records System to try to fix his birth certificate. Vital Records said it would cost between $400 and $600, which Holloway could not afford.”
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/a-black-man-brought-3-forms-of-id-to-the-polls-in-wisconsin-he-still-couldnt-vote/tnamp/

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You’ve lost all credibility with this paranoid argument. Also it just simply isn’t hard to get a valid picture ID of some form. I don’t care who you are or what your lame excuse is. It’s part of being an adult.

“In his wallet, Anthony Settles carries an expired Texas identification card, his Social Security card and an old student ID from the University of Houston, where he studied math and physics decades ago. What he does not have is the one thing that he needs to vote this presidential election: a current Texas photo ID.

For Settles to get one of those, his name has to match his birth certificate — and it doesn’t. In 1964, when he was 14, his mother married and changed his last name. After Texas passed a new voter-ID law, officials told Settles he had to show them his name-change certificate from 1964 to qualify for a new identification card to vote.

So with the help of several lawyers, Settles tried to find it, searching records in courthouses in the D.C. area, where he grew up. But they could not find it. To obtain a new document changing his name to the one he has used for 51 years, Settles has to go to court, a process that would cost him more than $250 — more than he is willing to pay.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html