Biden's VP?

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Anonymous wrote:What’s interesting is that the majority of African Americans when polled do not what race to be a motivating factor in whom Biden chooses. Since it’s likely that Biden will die in office, we should be going for candidates who can really govern on day 1. That brings us back to Whitmer, Harris, Lujan, or Raimondo.

You forgot Warren.

And Bass.

And accidentally added Harris who has not even completed her first term at senator and he no other governing experience. AGs prosecute ....they don’t lead.

Other than AG, where she consistently adopted middle-of-the-road policies, she has no record of leadership and little legislative experience. I'm flabbergasted whenever people say she's ready to occupy the presidency from day 1. What about when her record of putting away AAs for minor infractions and being unwilling to revisit cases against AAs when exculpatory evidence comes to light? And her terrible presidential campaign. I don't the support for her.

I think it’s fake news. No one feels strongly about her for any role outside of AG. No one.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s interesting is that the majority of African Americans when polled do not what race to be a motivating factor in whom Biden chooses. Since it’s likely that Biden will die in office, we should be going for candidates who can really govern on day 1. That brings us back to Whitmer, Harris, Lujan, or Raimondo.

You forgot Warren.

And Bass.

And accidentally added Harris who has not even completed her first term at senator and he no other governing experience. AGs prosecute ....they don’t lead.

Other than AG, where she consistently adopted middle-of-the-road policies, she has no record of leadership and little legislative experience. I'm flabbergasted whenever people say she's ready to occupy the presidency from day 1. What about when her record of putting away AAs for minor infractions and being unwilling to revisit cases against AAs when exculpatory evidence comes to light? And her terrible presidential campaign. I don't the support for her.

So much misogyny and BS in one post, chapeau!

Harris was a prosecutor. Prosecutors prosecute - what you’re really saying is she’s not Black enough - and of AKA and Howard are not Black enough, you need help. She’s been a powerful senator including on international issues and has had a very global life-long perspective. She was AG of one of the largest states in the country. It’s not flabbergasting that you deride her experience- we get it, you would prefer someone whiter with a phallus.

Some of the Harris supporters on this thread are a little nuts. I get it--celebrities inspire cult-like supporters. You know who doesn't? Karen Bass, because she's the real deal.

Whackadoodle. Too bad Bass wasn’t 10 years younger and had won statewide office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:At this point, I don’t care who he picks! He just needs to pick someone and let her hold the microphone from now on so Grandpa Joe doesn’t say anything stupid.

And, let her stand in for him in the debates since he is just a figurehead anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s interesting is that the majority of African Americans when polled do not what race to be a motivating factor in whom Biden chooses. Since it’s likely that Biden will die in office, we should be going for candidates who can really govern on day 1. That brings us back to Whitmer, Harris, Lujan, or Raimondo.

You forgot Warren.

And Bass.

And accidentally added Harris who has not even completed her first term at senator and he no other governing experience. AGs prosecute ....they don’t lead.

Other than AG, where she consistently adopted middle-of-the-road policies, she has no record of leadership and little legislative experience. I'm flabbergasted whenever people say she's ready to occupy the presidency from day 1. What about when her record of putting away AAs for minor infractions and being unwilling to revisit cases against AAs when exculpatory evidence comes to light? And her terrible presidential campaign. I don't the support for her.

So much misogyny and BS in one post, chapeau!

Harris was a prosecutor. Prosecutors prosecute - what you’re really saying is she’s not Black enough - and of AKA and Howard are not Black enough, you need help. She’s been a powerful senator including on international issues and has had a very global life-long perspective. She was AG of one of the largest states in the country. It’s not flabbergasting that you deride her experience- we get it, you would prefer someone whiter with a phallus.

Wow! Way to completely misinterpret the post. I am happy with a qualified woman regardless of the color of her skin and would happily see an experienced African American woman as VP or POTUS. You, however, need to educate yourself on what prosecutors do and lawyers in general. They are not natural managers and their gut instinct is to block not collaborate. Now, experience in a legislative or governing position like mayor, governor, congress person (state or Federal) can mold them into leaders, Harris doesn’t have it yet.

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Most people assume that being a senator automatically makes a candidate qualified to be president. Sen. Harris should have no problem with perceptions of her experience.

She has touted some reforms towards the end of her tenure as AG of California, but I would be interested to know how she handled cases involving police shootings and overreach that actually came across her desk as a prosecutor and DA of the city of San Francisco. She had opportunities to lead as a progressive prosecutor decades ago. Did she?

It is now widely accepted that there are systemic problems in the criminal justice system. Sen. Harris was part of that system for her entire career. Being a prosecutor used to be a positive in running for office, but now may be a negative. Look at what is happening with the DA in Los Angeles.

Sen. Harris is highly skilled in memorizing talking points on issues and fact patterns that she understands. Can she go beyond the talking points? During the campaign, she was not good on her feet on issues like health care that she probably had not given much thought.

She also did a great job at raising money and building buzz but did not even make it to Iowa. That reflects poorly on her management skills and political acumen.

This is an important pick, not only because of the historical implications, but also because "Biden's VP" will likely have to be a co-president. Biden is doing what he thinks is best for the country by running but he retired 4 years ago, and it shows.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s interesting is that the majority of African Americans when polled do not what race to be a motivating factor in whom Biden chooses. Since it’s likely that Biden will die in office, we should be going for candidates who can really govern on day 1. That brings us back to Whitmer, Harris, Lujan, or Raimondo.

You forgot Warren.

And Bass.

And accidentally added Harris who has not even completed her first term at senator and he no other governing experience. AGs prosecute ....they don’t lead.

Other than AG, where she consistently adopted middle-of-the-road policies, she has no record of leadership and little legislative experience. I'm flabbergasted whenever people say she's ready to occupy the presidency from day 1. What about when her record of putting away AAs for minor infractions and being unwilling to revisit cases against AAs when exculpatory evidence comes to light? And her terrible presidential campaign. I don't the support for her.

I think it’s fake news. No one feels strongly about her for any role outside of AG. No one.

Well someone on this thread does, lol. But I agree she'd be a terrific AG!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most people assume that being a senator automatically makes a candidate qualified to be president. Sen. Harris should have no problem with perceptions of her experience.

She has touted some reforms towards the end of her tenure as AG of California, but I would be interested to know how she handled cases involving police shootings and overreach that actually came across her desk as a prosecutor and DA of the city of San Francisco. She had opportunities to lead as a progressive prosecutor decades ago. Did she?

It is now widely accepted that there are systemic problems in the criminal justice system. Sen. Harris was part of that system for her entire career. Being a prosecutor used to be a positive in running for office, but now may be a negative. Look at what is happening with the DA in Los Angeles.

Sen. Harris is highly skilled in memorizing talking points on issues and fact patterns that she understands. Can she go beyond the talking points? During the campaign, she was not good on her feet on issues like health care that she probably had not given much thought.

She also did a great job at raising money and building buzz but did not even make it to Iowa. That reflects poorly on her management skills and political acumen.

This is an important pick, not only because of the historical implications, but also because "Biden's VP" will likely have to be a co-president. Biden is doing what he thinks is best for the country by running but he retired 4 years ago, and it shows.

There are a number of articles stating that her claim to be a progressive prosecutor is inaccurate:
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/kamala-harris-criminal-justice.html

There is negative baggage there that will be used to alienate Black voters from a Biden-Harris ticket. This, plus Willie Brown and fodder from her bad presidential campaign, could make for effective attack ads. I dread them already.

Her debate performances were terrible because she simply doesn't have policy chops beyond her prosecutorial domain. Not yet. In another 4-8 years, maybe.

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Harris's big impediment is that she's always done the politically proper thing and thus people worry that she's not authentic. She's very Hillaryesque in that regard and it can come across as calculated and overly ambitious (which is why the primary attack on Biden backfired). From talking to people that have worked for her she's actually a genuine and caring person. She needs to show her real self more because her schtick doesnt play as well nationally. She's clearly smart and the good thing is that all she has to learn is to show her true self. Her schtick plays very well with the Dem base. The outstanding question is whether she can develop a public persona that appeals to swing voters. Despite what some of the base wants Biden does not need a pure attack dog. He needs a Mastiff not a Rottweiler, if that makes sense.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris's big impediment is that she's always done the politically proper thing and thus people worry that she's not authentic. She's very Hillaryesque in that regard and it can come across as calculated and overly ambitious (which is why the primary attack on Biden backfired). From talking to people that have worked for her she's actually a genuine and caring person. She needs to show her real self more because her schtick doesnt play as well nationally. She's clearly smart and the good thing is that all she has to learn is to show her true self. Her schtick plays very well with the Dem base. The outstanding question is whether she can develop a public persona that appeals to swing voters. Despite what some of the base wants Biden does not need a pure attack dog. He needs a Mastiff not a Rottweiler, if that makes sense.

Well GD. Now I want a S/O thread of politicians as dog breeds and why.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris's big impediment is that she's always done the politically proper thing and thus people worry that she's not authentic. She's very Hillaryesque in that regard and it can come across as calculated and overly ambitious (which is why the primary attack on Biden backfired). From talking to people that have worked for her she's actually a genuine and caring person. She needs to show her real self more because her schtick doesnt play as well nationally. She's clearly smart and the good thing is that all she has to learn is to show her true self. Her schtick plays very well with the Dem base. The outstanding question is whether she can develop a public persona that appeals to swing voters. Despite what some of the base wants Biden does not need a pure attack dog. He needs a Mastiff not a Rottweiler, if that makes sense.

It is pretty much a given at this point that Biden will win, and win bigly. Trump has imploded so badly on his own over the last 3 months, that the VP candidate would only need to show 5 minutes of real video clips, and say "I rest my case."

There is some difficulty with showing one's "true self" after a career of doing the "politically proper" (a/k/a politically expedient) thing for so long. That is true of most politicians though.

Above all, Biden needs someone with the maturity and judgment to help him govern. Maybe Harris will be able to do that but she has missed some opportunities to show she can be a president, not just a prosecutor.

[Anonymous]

I think he is compelled to choose a person of color, so let’s hope it will be someone trustworthy and moderate.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris's big impediment is that she's always done the politically proper thing and thus people worry that she's not authentic. She's very Hillaryesque in that regard and it can come across as calculated and overly ambitious (which is why the primary attack on Biden backfired). From talking to people that have worked for her she's actually a genuine and caring person. She needs to show her real self more because her schtick doesnt play as well nationally. She's clearly smart and the good thing is that all she has to learn is to show her true self. Her schtick plays very well with the Dem base. The outstanding question is whether she can develop a public persona that appeals to swing voters. Despite what some of the base wants Biden does not need a pure attack dog. He needs a Mastiff not a Rottweiler, if that makes sense.

It is pretty much a given at this point that Biden will win, and win bigly. Trump has imploded so badly on his own over the last 3 months, that the VP candidate would only need to show 5 minutes of real video clips, and say "I rest my case."

There is some difficulty with showing one's "true self" after a career of doing the "politically proper" (a/k/a politically expedient) thing for so long. That is true of most politicians though.

Above all, Biden needs someone with the maturity and judgment to help him govern. Maybe Harris will be able to do that but she has missed some opportunities to show she can be a president, not just a prosecutor.

I’d love to agree, but this is exactly what Dems were smugly telling themselves in 2016.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think he is compelled to choose a person of color, so let’s hope it will be someone trustworthy and moderate.

And who can help him get elected.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Harris's big impediment is that she's always done the politically proper thing and thus people worry that she's not authentic. She's very Hillaryesque in that regard and it can come across as calculated and overly ambitious (which is why the primary attack on Biden backfired). From talking to people that have worked for her she's actually a genuine and caring person. She needs to show her real self more because her schtick doesnt play as well nationally. She's clearly smart and the good thing is that all she has to learn is to show her true self. Her schtick plays very well with the Dem base. The outstanding question is whether she can develop a public persona that appeals to swing voters. Despite what some of the base wants Biden does not need a pure attack dog. He needs a Mastiff not a Rottweiler, if that makes sense.

It is pretty much a given at this point that Biden will win, and win bigly. Trump has imploded so badly on his own over the last 3 months, that the VP candidate would only need to show 5 minutes of real video clips, and say "I rest my case."

There is some difficulty with showing one's "true self" after a career of doing the "politically proper" (a/k/a politically expedient) thing for so long. That is true of most politicians though.

Above all, Biden needs someone with the maturity and judgment to help him govern. Maybe Harris will be able to do that but she has missed some opportunities to show she can be a president, not just a prosecutor.

It's definitely no a given and the stakes are too high to allow anybody to think that way

[Anonymous]

My prediction is that it will come down to Demings vs. Duckworth, though I like all the women on the shortlist.