Biden's VP?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This appears to be all they can find on Bass and if that’s it she has a good shot.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/06/27/florida-democrats-karen-bass-vp-341931

LOL. "All they can find."

“I wish to express my condolences to the Cuban people and the family of Fidel Castro. The passing of the comandante en jefe is a great loss to the people of Cuba. I hope together, our two nations will continue on the new path of support and collaboration with one another, and continue in the new direction of diplomacy.” - Karen Bass

She clearly was aiming for collaboration and diplomacy

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A white woman is going to alienate some voters on the fringe left.

A woman of color is going to alienate some voters in the center or center-left.

The election will likely be determined by WI, PA, MI, AZ, maybe FL, and maybe NC.

The person who is selected will be selected because the campaign will think she’ll cost the least number of votes in these key states.

Face it.

When the VP pick is Identity Politics Roulette, nobody is going to fit the bill.

Lol. The GOP is obsessed with identity politics. If you aren’t a white man, you’re nothing. We just went through this a few pages ago; do you want me to go back and copy and paste it here?

If representation doesn’t matter, why does it bother you old duffers so, so much when women and minorities finally make inroads?

Biden/Warren!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s interesting is that the majority of African Americans when polled do not what race to be a motivating factor in whom Biden chooses. Since it’s likely that Biden will die in office, we should be going for candidates who can really govern on day 1. That brings us back to Whitmer, Harris, Lujan, or Raimondo.

I’ve always said this. Pick the best person. Trump will be voted out. Pick the best VP. Most republicans have decided to get behind Biden, the Lincoln Project made a formal endorsement. Republican Voters Against Trump. And many young and first time voters that are fired up and angry about the last 4 years of high school. Voters are active at younger ages now. Black people are going to turn out I’m record numbers to vote Trump out. So will a lot of protesters. Who is the best person to govern this country and this climate from day 1? Someone that isn’t a sellout, or shaky and always playing things safe. We need someone bold, educated, far from corruption, with a good business sense and a strong track record of public service.

Sorry...you pick who will help get you elected. Don’t underestimate Trump and his minions.

[Anonymous]

Warren is too old and loses a senate seat. She will eventually get a cabinet position but not VP.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s interesting is that the majority of African Americans when polled do not what race to be a motivating factor in whom Biden chooses. Since it’s likely that Biden will die in office, we should be going for candidates who can really govern on day 1. That brings us back to Whitmer, Harris, Lujan, or Raimondo.

You forgot Warren.

And Bass.

And accidentally added Harris who has not even completed her first term at senator and he no other governing experience. AGs prosecute ....they don’t lead.

Other than AG, where she consistently adopted middle-of-the-road policies, she has no record of leadership and little legislative experience. I'm flabbergasted whenever people say she's ready to occupy the presidency from day 1. What about when her record of putting away AAs for minor infractions and being unwilling to revisit cases against AAs when exculpatory evidence comes to light? And her terrible presidential campaign. I don't the support for her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s interesting is that the majority of African Americans when polled do not what race to be a motivating factor in whom Biden chooses. Since it’s likely that Biden will die in office, we should be going for candidates who can really govern on day 1. That brings us back to Whitmer, Harris, Lujan, or Raimondo.

You forgot Warren.

Nope. Warren, like Bass, is too old. Plus, Warren would be replaced with a Republican.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s interesting is that the majority of African Americans when polled do not what race to be a motivating factor in whom Biden chooses. Since it’s likely that Biden will die in office, we should be going for candidates who can really govern on day 1. That brings us back to Whitmer, Harris, Lujan, or Raimondo.

You forgot Warren.

And Bass.

And accidentally added Harris who has not even completed her first term at senator and he no other governing experience. AGs prosecute ....they don’t lead.

Other than AG, where she consistently adopted middle-of-the-road policies, she has no record of leadership and little legislative experience. I'm flabbergasted whenever people say she's ready to occupy the presidency from day 1. What about when her record of putting away AAs for minor infractions and being unwilling to revisit cases against AAs when exculpatory evidence comes to light? And her terrible presidential campaign. I don't the support for her.

I do. She has the legislative and legal background we need to get this country and the administration back on track.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What’s interesting is that the majority of African Americans when polled do not what race to be a motivating factor in whom Biden chooses. Since it’s likely that Biden will die in office, we should be going for candidates who can really govern on day 1. That brings us back to Whitmer, Harris, Lujan, or Raimondo.

You forgot Warren.

And Bass.

And accidentally added Harris who has not even completed her first term at senator and he no other governing experience. AGs prosecute ....they don’t lead.

Other than AG, where she consistently adopted middle-of-the-road policies, she has no record of leadership and little legislative experience. I'm flabbergasted whenever people say she's ready to occupy the presidency from day 1. What about when her record of putting away AAs for minor infractions and being unwilling to revisit cases against AAs when exculpatory evidence comes to light? And her terrible presidential campaign. I don't the support for her.

So much misogyny and BS in one post, chapeau!

Harris was a prosecutor. Prosecutors prosecute - what you’re really saying is she’s not Black enough - and of AKA and Howard are not Black enough, you need help. She’s been a powerful senator including on international issues and has had a very global life-long perspective. She was AG of one of the largest states in the country. It’s not flabbergasting that you deride her experience- we get it, you would prefer someone whiter with a phallus.

[Anonymous]

Nothing like having two septuagenarians running the country....

(or, one septuagenarian and one octogenarian in a few years, if he lasts that long)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s interesting is that the majority of African Americans when polled do not what race to be a motivating factor in whom Biden chooses. Since it’s likely that Biden will die in office, we should be going for candidates who can really govern on day 1. That brings us back to Whitmer, Harris, Lujan, or Raimondo.

You forgot Warren.

And Bass.

And accidentally added Harris who has not even completed her first term at senator and he no other governing experience. AGs prosecute ....they don’t lead.

Other than AG, where she consistently adopted middle-of-the-road policies, she has no record of leadership and little legislative experience. I'm flabbergasted whenever people say she's ready to occupy the presidency from day 1. What about when her record of putting away AAs for minor infractions and being unwilling to revisit cases against AAs when exculpatory evidence comes to light? And her terrible presidential campaign. I don't the support for her.

So much misogyny and BS in one post, chapeau!

Harris was a prosecutor. Prosecutors prosecute - what you’re really saying is she’s not Black enough - and of AKA and Howard are not Black enough, you need help. She’s been a powerful senator including on international issues and has had a very global life-long perspective. She was AG of one of the largest states in the country. It’s not flabbergasting that you deride her experience- we get it, you would prefer someone whiter with a phallus.

Some of the Harris supporters on this thread are a little nuts. I get it--celebrities inspire cult-like supporters. You know who doesn't? Karen Bass, because she's the real deal.

[Anonymous]

I don't see any problem with picking a black woman. At this point, now that expectations have been raised, the turnout downside of not picking one is more of a problem then not picking one. Luckily there are lots of qualified candidates.

I do think no hint of corruption and authenticity are extremely important though. One problem I see is that I'm not sure Biden has fully accepted the fact that he's only running for one term. It's a tough call between picking someone with an eye on 2024 or picking someone with no intention to run in 2024.

Of the potential candidates so far I'd go with Abrams or Bass (if she has no 2024 ambition) right now, with Demmings as the alternate. I just worry that choosing Demmings is too gimmicky perception wise.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't see any problem with picking a black woman. At this point, now that expectations have been raised, the turnout downside of not picking one is more of a problem then not picking one. Luckily there are lots of qualified candidates.

I do think no hint of corruption and authenticity are extremely important though. One problem I see is that I'm not sure Biden has fully accepted the fact that he's only running for one term. It's a tough call between picking someone with an eye on 2024 or picking someone with no intention to run in 2024.

Of the potential candidates so far I'd go with Abrams or Bass (if she has no 2024 ambition) right now, with Demmings as the alternate. I just worry that choosing Demmings is too gimmicky perception wise.

Why restrict Bass in this way? If Biden serves one term and she's the VP pick, she'd be beautifully positioned for a 2024 run at age 70. Even if she served two full terms as president, she'd be Biden's age upon entering office by the end. But sure, if she's a one-term VP, that would give some in the pool of current prospects time to mature and develop their governing and legislative chops: I'm thinking especially of Whitmer, Demings, Harris, and Abrams (who has less experience than Demings and really is not qualified to be VP yet).

[Anonymous]

At this point, I don’t care who he picks! He just needs to pick someone and let her hold the microphone from now on so Grandpa Joe doesn’t say anything stupid.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I don't see any problem with picking a black woman. At this point, now that expectations have been raised, the turnout downside of not picking one is more of a problem then not picking one. Luckily there are lots of qualified candidates.

I do think no hint of corruption and authenticity are extremely important though. One problem I see is that I'm not sure Biden has fully accepted the fact that he's only running for one term. It's a tough call between picking someone with an eye on 2024 or picking someone with no intention to run in 2024.

Of the potential candidates so far I'd go with Abrams or Bass (if she has no 2024 ambition) right now, with Demmings as the alternate. I just worry that choosing Demmings is too gimmicky perception wise.

Why restrict Bass in this way? If Biden serves one term and she's the VP pick, she'd be beautifully positioned for a 2024 run at age 70. Even if she served two full terms as president, she'd be Biden's age upon entering office by the end. But sure, if she's a one-term VP, that would give some in the pool of current prospects time to mature and develop their governing and legislative chops: I'm thinking especially of Whitmer, Demings, Harris, and Abrams (who has less experience than Demings and really is not qualified to be VP yet).[/quote

Because Biden is too old. If it wasn't for Trump also being too old it'd be a big problem. Because I don't think this VP shoud be a presumptive nominee/hero apparent. The 2024 election is going to o be vastly differet with a vastly different electorate. Options need to be kept open and saying straight out that we're going to govern and try and heal the country for four years while leaving politics to others might be a strong working message.

Vice President is not a job that needs a lot of experience. It needs good judgment not experience.]

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I don't see any problem with picking a black woman. At this point, now that expectations have been raised, the turnout downside of not picking one is more of a problem then not picking one. Luckily there are lots of qualified candidates.

I do think no hint of corruption and authenticity are extremely important though. One problem I see is that I'm not sure Biden has fully accepted the fact that he's only running for one term. It's a tough call between picking someone with an eye on 2024 or picking someone with no intention to run in 2024.

Of the potential candidates so far I'd go with Abrams or Bass (if she has no 2024 ambition) right now, with Demmings as the alternate. I just worry that choosing Demmings is too gimmicky perception wise.

Why restrict Bass in this way? If Biden serves one term and she's the VP pick, she'd be beautifully positioned for a 2024 run at age 70. Even if she served two full terms as president, she'd be Biden's age upon entering office by the end. But sure, if she's a one-term VP, that would give some in the pool of current prospects time to mature and develop their governing and legislative chops: I'm thinking especially of Whitmer, Demings, Harris, and Abrams (who has less experience than Demings and really is not qualified to be VP yet).[/quote

Because Biden is too old. If it wasn't for Trump also being too old it'd be a big problem. Because I don't think this VP shoud be a presumptive nominee/hero apparent. The 2024 election is going to o be vastly differet with a vastly different electorate. Options need to be kept open and saying straight out that we're going to govern and try and heal the country for four years while leaving politics to others might be a strong working message.

Vice President is not a job that needs a lot of experience. It needs good judgment not experience.]

Unless the President is old and frail, who has high odds of not making it through a full term. Then an experienced VP matters a great deal. The good judgment part goes without saying. But I agree this VP need not necessarily be viewed as the heir apparent for 2024. Unless of course she is already President by then, at which point it gets very tricky.