War with Iran Part II

[Anonymous]

No need to provide link for something so obvious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:My understanding of the US war on Iran:

1. Strait closed - global energy costs up 40 percent.

2. US bases in GCC damaged or severely damaged.

3. US munitions depleted.

4. Profits from new defense contracts directed to Presidents family.

5. US relations with Europe lowest since before WWII.

6. Nuclear material intact in Iran.

7. Israel alienated globally.

8. Adherence to US Constitution increasingly degraded - no war authorization from Congress

So one point is positive for the world.

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The experts have been saying this for a while. The US will be forced to leave the region. Iran is the new power in the region. Good luck UAE!

The missile threat is too great to maintain these bases. The US has 27 bases in the ME all for the defense of Israel. Before the war operating these bases was about 1/3 of our total defense spending. We spent less on NATO vs the cost of these bases for Israel.

You're funny. The purposes of those military bases are to secure oil routes, protect allies, counter terrorism, and deter Iran and other regional threats under the US Central Command (CENTCOM) framework. Yes, Israel is one of those allies - but so is the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, Egypt, Oman, and Jordan. Your fixation on and hatred of Israel is noted.

So wait, two things:

1) Which are those other regional threats that you think so highly of?
2) Without the Israel mafia, the US wouldn't need to ally with any of those other countries.

Stop moving goalposts and arguing about third order effects that only manifest because of the initial problem: Israel.

Sorry, what? Ever heard of Iranian-backed proxies, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Houthis? Sure you have. All three pose a threat to our ME allies, listed above. Interesting that you completely ignore the Iranian mafia, but not surprising.

Again, those are third order problems... That begin and end with Israel.

Oh, BS. The Iranian “mafia” has been terrorizing the ME and US for decades.

9/11 was from our friend Saudi Arabia.

Not even talking about 9/11. Referring to all the terrorism, bombings, kidnappings, suicide bombings, etc. targeting US citizens, military personnel, and diplomatic facilities by Iran and its terrorist proxies. Keep up.

did this happen before the 1953 coup orchestrated by the CIA on behalf of BP??? I know that for us, that is so long ago and who cares but Iranians have been on a 75 year long odyssey of oppression since then and yes, the shah regime was also horrific and oppressive and he wasn't a king like Charles- he was US installed dictator who was called king b/c Iranians are culturally super bougie so it sounded better. this is all Blowback, we did something truly horrible and we have to bear the consequences somewhat for what our government did, that isn't saying teh Iranians government doesnt suck- they do- but it is our fault. the CIA's decisions to arm mullahs in the postcolonial period has really bad consequences.

Add in the Allies killed 1/3-1/2 of Iran’s population during WW2. Iran has only responded to US and Israel attacks. That is the response of a state not a terrorist. I just do not understand the Israeli obsession with Iran. It is truly nuts.

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The experts have been saying this for a while. The US will be forced to leave the region. Iran is the new power in the region. Good luck UAE!

The missile threat is too great to maintain these bases. The US has 27 bases in the ME all for the defense of Israel. Before the war operating these bases was about 1/3 of our total defense spending. We spent less on NATO vs the cost of these bases for Israel.

You're funny. The purposes of those military bases are to secure oil routes, protect allies, counter terrorism, and deter Iran and other regional threats under the US Central Command (CENTCOM) framework. Yes, Israel is one of those allies - but so is the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, Egypt, Oman, and Jordan. Your fixation on and hatred of Israel is noted.

So wait, two things:

1) Which are those other regional threats that you think so highly of?
2) Without the Israel mafia, the US wouldn't need to ally with any of those other countries.

Stop moving goalposts and arguing about third order effects that only manifest because of the initial problem: Israel.

Sorry, what? Ever heard of Iranian-backed proxies, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Houthis? Sure you have. All three pose a threat to our ME allies, listed above. Interesting that you completely ignore the Iranian mafia, but not surprising.

Again, those are third order problems... That begin and end with Israel.

Oh, BS. The Iranian “mafia” has been terrorizing the ME and US for decades.

9/11 was from our friend Saudi Arabia.

Not even talking about 9/11. Referring to all the terrorism, bombings, kidnappings, suicide bombings, etc. targeting US citizens, military personnel, and diplomatic facilities by Iran and its terrorist proxies. Keep up.

did this happen before the 1953 coup orchestrated by the CIA on behalf of BP??? I know that for us, that is so long ago and who cares but Iranians have been on a 75 year long odyssey of oppression since then and yes, the shah regime was also horrific and oppressive and he wasn't a king like Charles- he was US installed dictator who was called king b/c Iranians are culturally super bougie so it sounded better. this is all Blowback, we did something truly horrible and we have to bear the consequences somewhat for what our government did, that isn't saying teh Iranians government doesnt suck- they do- but it is our fault. the CIA's decisions to arm mullahs in the postcolonial period has really bad consequences.

Add in the Allies killed 1/3-1/2 of Iran’s population during WW2. Iran has only responded to US and Israel attacks. That is the response of a state not a terrorist. I just do not understand the Israeli obsession with Iran. It is truly nuts.

Maybe it’s that Iran funded Hezbollah? Just a thought.

Again you sound pretty dumb when you fail to understand the basic geopolitics.

And of course you sound naive or worse when you pretend like Iran is a happy happy joy joy nation.

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The experts have been saying this for a while. The US will be forced to leave the region. Iran is the new power in the region. Good luck UAE!

The missile threat is too great to maintain these bases. The US has 27 bases in the ME all for the defense of Israel. Before the war operating these bases was about 1/3 of our total defense spending. We spent less on NATO vs the cost of these bases for Israel.

You're funny. The purposes of those military bases are to secure oil routes, protect allies, counter terrorism, and deter Iran and other regional threats under the US Central Command (CENTCOM) framework. Yes, Israel is one of those allies - but so is the UAE, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, Egypt, Oman, and Jordan. Your fixation on and hatred of Israel is noted.

So wait, two things:

1) Which are those other regional threats that you think so highly of?
2) Without the Israel mafia, the US wouldn't need to ally with any of those other countries.

Stop moving goalposts and arguing about third order effects that only manifest because of the initial problem: Israel.

Sorry, what? Ever heard of Iranian-backed proxies, Hezbollah, Hamas, and Houthis? Sure you have. All three pose a threat to our ME allies, listed above. Interesting that you completely ignore the Iranian mafia, but not surprising.

Again, those are third order problems... That begin and end with Israel.

Oh, BS. The Iranian “mafia” has been terrorizing the ME and US for decades.

9/11 was from our friend Saudi Arabia.

Not even talking about 9/11. Referring to all the terrorism, bombings, kidnappings, suicide bombings, etc. targeting US citizens, military personnel, and diplomatic facilities by Iran and its terrorist proxies. Keep up.

did this happen before the 1953 coup orchestrated by the CIA on behalf of BP??? I know that for us, that is so long ago and who cares but Iranians have been on a 75 year long odyssey of oppression since then and yes, the shah regime was also horrific and oppressive and he wasn't a king like Charles- he was US installed dictator who was called king b/c Iranians are culturally super bougie so it sounded better. this is all Blowback, we did something truly horrible and we have to bear the consequences somewhat for what our government did, that isn't saying teh Iranians government doesnt suck- they do- but it is our fault. the CIA's decisions to arm mullahs in the postcolonial period has really bad consequences.

Add in the Allies killed 1/3-1/2 of Iran’s population during WW2. Iran has only responded to US and Israel attacks. That is the response of a state not a terrorist. I just do not understand the Israeli obsession with Iran. It is truly nuts.

Maybe it’s that Iran funded Hezbollah? Just a thought.

Again you sound pretty dumb when you fail to understand the basic geopolitics.

And of course you sound naive or worse when you pretend like Iran is a happy happy joy joy nation.

It is laughable someone so ignorant as yourself feels comfortable calling others dumb. Hezbollah was formed in 1982 as a response to Israel’s invasion and occupation of Lebanon. You must be a complete moron to not know that?

Israel has funded countless terrorist and armed proxies group through of ME. Mujama al-Islamiya Funded by Israel and became Hamas. In Syria Israel funded Tahrir al-Sham, Fursan al-Joulan, ISIS and about 12 other terrorists groups. Lebanon Israel funded Phalange and many more. In Iran Israel funds, supports and arms Kurdistan Free Life Party (PJAK), the Democratic Party of Iranian Kurdistan (PDKI), Jaish al-Adl and Kurdistan Freedom Party (PAK).

Why should Israel be allowed to continue to funded terrorists throughout the region after being forced to surrender to Iran?

A US Iran alliance would be so much more valuable vs anything with Israel. Israel is a weak corrupt unimportant country with no strategic value.

[Anonymous]

Just checking to make sure that calling out the antizionist hate movement gets me blocked from here.

[Anonymous]

Oh I guess not anymore. Maybe it was a temporary block. I objected to the genocide libel and the demonization of an entire nation, Israel, Israelis, and supporters of Israel's right to exist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh I guess not anymore. Maybe it was a temporary block. I objected to the genocide libel and the demonization of an entire nation, Israel, Israelis, and supporters of Israel's right to exist.

Genocide libel? The facts are on the side of the users of the genocide description.

I appreciate that you see genocide as a negative act. I'm mystified that you can't see that Israel has engaged in it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Oh I guess not anymore. Maybe it was a temporary block. I objected to the genocide libel and the demonization of an entire nation, Israel, Israelis, and supporters of Israel's right to exist.

Object if it makes you feel better. It doesn't change the rapidly declining support for the Israeli government because of its own genocidal actions.

[Anonymous]

Is it just me or does it seem like Trump has moved on from the war and he’s just gonna keep the status quo? Iran is making Bank. I’m sure Trump found a way to get his cut.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it just me or does it seem like Trump has moved on from the war and he’s just gonna keep the status quo? Iran is making Bank. I’m sure Trump found a way to get his cut.

He just makes gut decisions and takes a nap.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me or does it seem like Trump has moved on from the war and he’s just gonna keep the status quo? Iran is making Bank. I’m sure Trump found a way to get his cut.

It’s not just you. The economy is going down the toilet because of this war. But Trump is pretending like it’s over and he won. Unfortunately he didn’t do that in the first 2 hours. So the Strait is blocked and billions are being spent but Trump is focused on his arch and his ballroom.

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Anonymous wrote:Is it just me or does it seem like Trump has moved on from the war and he’s just gonna keep the status quo? Iran is making Bank. I’m sure Trump found a way to get his cut.

It’s not just you. The economy is going down the toilet because of this war. But Trump is pretending like it’s over and he won. Unfortunately he didn’t do that in the first 2 hours. So the Strait is blocked and billions are being spent but Trump is focused on his arch and his ballroom.

He just said the Navy is going to start clearing the Strait.

[Anonymous]

Iranian Parliament's deputy speaker Ali Nikzad says the Strait of Hormuz will never return to its pre-war status, adding that the new law will permanently bar the US and Israeli vessels while imposing transit tolls on all other international shipping.

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Iranian Parliament's deputy speaker Ali Nikzad says the Strait of Hormuz will never return to its pre-war status, adding that the new law will permanently bar the US and Israeli vessels while imposing transit tolls on all other international shipping.

Makes sense. It is in Irans territorial waters.