Biden's VP?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The job is indeed hard and complex. I wish we lived in a world where competence was rewarded. I also wish we lived in a world where this election wasn't so vitally important. Tim Kaine is a competent Senator. Hillary Clinton was a competent Senator and SecState. John Kerry was a competent Senator. The American electorate does not place as much value in competence (or foreign policy) as we would like. Biden already provides a sharp contrast with Trump on competence on those two issues. Doubling down on competence if it doesn't add anything else isn't beneficial. Because Trump is also old and says stupid old man things they cancel each other out on the issue. Age isn't the issue they need to worry about.

This pick is hard. The VP needs to resonate in some way with the swing voters in Wisconsin, Arizona, or North Carolina. Florida is just too weird. In Wisconsin that swing vote is Gen X/Millennial cusp white males that want an outsider. In Arizona it's Gen X white suburban females that need to not be turned off. In North Carolina it's Gen X/Millennial cusp black males plus Gen X black suburban females that want an outsider and need not be turned off respectively.

Karen Bass seems like a great Representative. But she's from LA and a member of Congress. I don't see what she adds to the ticket but maybe I'm missing something. I worry about adding a Congessmember to the ticket and how that makes the ticket open to anti-congress and anti- coastal urban elite attacks. The type of attacks that unfortunately resonate with key voting blocs. But that's

What's the angle of attack?

We know Trump's strategy because it's a rerun: depress gen x/millennial cusp black males, hype up gen x/millennial cusp white males, and scare suburban females.

I think that Michelle Lujan Grisham provides the executive and legislative experience plus ticks off a lot of boxes and can appeal to a lot of the swing states. She's shown that she has governed New Mexico well, she spent three terms in Congress including a leadership role. She served as the NM state secretary of health for a while. In the current pandemic situation, that would be a plus. She can't do a worse job than Pence has on the national response.

Blond, green-eyed Basque descendant.

This is the problem with identity politics. You are putting more emphasis on what they look like than you are on how qualified they are for the job.

The Democrats need to start putting at least some value in qualifications for the job rather than solely on identity politics or they are in for a world of hurt as they watch Trump truly destroy the Republic in a second term.

Biden has already said he will choose a woman. Let that be the standard for identity politics and then start finding the most qualified woman who will be a viable candidate in 4 years to assume the leadership of the Democratic party and lead the party to back-to-back terms of office.

“Identity politics;” only old white straight Christian-identified cis men need apply for anything and anyone who does not meet these criteria is only where they are due to identity politics.

Why are you on this thread.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Black men will be more apt to support demings and bottoms vs. harris and rice.

If you don't think so, you don't know many black men.

Black man, here. This assertion is false, IMO. And, if the assertion is based on what I think it's based on, the statement is also plenty foolish.

+1 - black woman with black husband who likes Harris a lot.

hoteps vote too - and wont for harris or rice

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I still prefer Demings. She actually has experience in a position of responsibility in the real world. Like Obama, she is also somewhat unique in being able to authentically appeal to both black and moderate whites. Being a police chief is a huge plus for most people who don’t live in CHOP. It would also be a string signal that Biden is not going to just the allow left fringe run things.

this is huge.

harris and susan rice are not relateable at all to the black community writ large.

Keisha Bottoms and Val Demings are infinitely more relatable. They've lived and live an authentic black american experience.

UGH, are you black??

I am, and I can relate to all of these black women because there are certain aspects of being a professional black woman in this country that we ALL experience.

So, just stop.

LSA has a better pulse of the black community nationwide compared to bougie DCUMers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is the problem with identity politics. You are putting more emphasis on what they look like than you are on how qualified they are for the job.

The Democrats need to start putting at least some value in qualifications for the job rather than solely on identity politics or they are in for a world of hurt as they watch Trump truly destroy the Republic in a second term.

Biden has already said he will choose a woman. Let that be the standard for identity politics and then start finding the most qualified woman who will be a viable candidate in 4 years to assume the leadership of the Democratic party and lead the party to back-to-back terms of office.

“Identity politics;” only old white straight Christian-identified cis men need apply for anything and anyone who does not meet these criteria is only where they are due to identity politics.

Why are you on this thread.

Why am I on this thread? Because I care about getting Biden elected. I care about making sure that he picks a VP that will help him get elected instead of worrying about the identity of the candidate. Defeating Trump and getting Biden elected are far more important than the advancement of the first <subdemographic> to be elected VPOTUS. So, doing what is best for Biden is more important than doing what is best for race or minority progress.

If you place more emphasis on making demographics progress than you place on actually winning the election in November, then I think you have the wrong priorities. I have been lobbying for good qualified women candidates like Grisham and Duckworth. That hardly fits your accusation that only "old white straight Christian-identified cis men" need apply.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

This is the problem with identity politics. You are putting more emphasis on what they look like than you are on how qualified they are for the job.

The Democrats need to start putting at least some value in qualifications for the job rather than solely on identity politics or they are in for a world of hurt as they watch Trump truly destroy the Republic in a second term.

Biden has already said he will choose a woman. Let that be the standard for identity politics and then start finding the most qualified woman who will be a viable candidate in 4 years to assume the leadership of the Democratic party and lead the party to back-to-back terms of office.

It is too late for that. When Biden committed to picking a female VP, this was the predictable logical conclusion - he needs to pick a black female VP. He should not have boxed himself in like that. Why is Elizabeth Warren a VP candidate and not Cory Booker? It was a dumb move by Biden. Definitely prioritize diversity by no reason to show all your cards and constrain yourself like that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is the problem with identity politics. You are putting more emphasis on what they look like than you are on how qualified they are for the job.

The Democrats need to start putting at least some value in qualifications for the job rather than solely on identity politics or they are in for a world of hurt as they watch Trump truly destroy the Republic in a second term.

Biden has already said he will choose a woman. Let that be the standard for identity politics and then start finding the most qualified woman who will be a viable candidate in 4 years to assume the leadership of the Democratic party and lead the party to back-to-back terms of office.

“Identity politics;” only old white straight Christian-identified cis men need apply for anything and anyone who does not meet these criteria is only where they are due to identity politics.

Why are you on this thread.

Why am I on this thread? Because I care about getting Biden elected. I care about making sure that he picks a VP that will help him get elected instead of worrying about the identity of the candidate. Defeating Trump and getting Biden elected are far more important than the advancement of the first <subdemographic> to be elected VPOTUS. So, doing what is best for Biden is more important than doing what is best for race or minority progress.

If you place more emphasis on making demographics progress than you place on actually winning the election in November, then I think you have the wrong priorities. I have been lobbying for good qualified women candidates like Grisham and Duckworth. That hardly fits your accusation that only "old white straight Christian-identified cis men" need apply.

I not emphasizing demographic progress over winning.

[Anonymous]

Biden should resign and candidate and allow a Warren/ Booker ticket.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is the problem with identity politics. You are putting more emphasis on what they look like than you are on how qualified they are for the job.

The Democrats need to start putting at least some value in qualifications for the job rather than solely on identity politics or they are in for a world of hurt as they watch Trump truly destroy the Republic in a second term.

Biden has already said he will choose a woman. Let that be the standard for identity politics and then start finding the most qualified woman who will be a viable candidate in 4 years to assume the leadership of the Democratic party and lead the party to back-to-back terms of office.

“Identity politics;” only old white straight Christian-identified cis men need apply for anything and anyone who does not meet these criteria is only where they are due to identity politics.

Why are you on this thread.

Why am I on this thread? Because I care about getting Biden elected. I care about making sure that he picks a VP that will help him get elected instead of worrying about the identity of the candidate. Defeating Trump and getting Biden elected are far more important than the advancement of the first <subdemographic> to be elected VPOTUS. So, doing what is best for Biden is more important than doing what is best for race or minority progress.

If you place more emphasis on making demographics progress than you place on actually winning the election in November, then I think you have the wrong priorities. I have been lobbying for good qualified women candidates like Grisham and Duckworth. That hardly fits your accusation that only "old white straight Christian-identified cis men" need apply.

I not emphasizing demographic progress over winning.

Oh, then why was your criticism of Lujan Grisham solely based on her heritage. Your comment criticizing her was:

Blond, green-eyed Basque descendant.

Tell me what that says about her qualifications (or lack thereof) for the VPOTUS position. It says nothing other than she doesn't check your identity politics boxes.

As I said, I think you have the wrong priorities. Picking someone or ruling someone out solely on their demographics, not on their political qualifications.

[Anonymous]

I really don't care, do you? It could be Daffy Duck as long as he wins

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Biden should resign and candidate and allow a Warren/ Booker ticket.

Kiss of death.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The job is indeed hard and complex. I wish we lived in a world where competence was rewarded. I also wish we lived in a world where this election wasn't so vitally important. Tim Kaine is a competent Senator. Hillary Clinton was a competent Senator and SecState. John Kerry was a competent Senator. The American electorate does not place as much value in competence (or foreign policy) as we would like. Biden already provides a sharp contrast with Trump on competence on those two issues. Doubling down on competence if it doesn't add anything else isn't beneficial. Because Trump is also old and says stupid old man things they cancel each other out on the issue. Age isn't the issue they need to worry about.

This pick is hard. The VP needs to resonate in some way with the swing voters in Wisconsin, Arizona, or North Carolina. Florida is just too weird. In Wisconsin that swing vote is Gen X/Millennial cusp white males that want an outsider. In Arizona it's Gen X white suburban females that need to not be turned off. In North Carolina it's Gen X/Millennial cusp black males plus Gen X black suburban females that want an outsider and need not be turned off respectively.

Karen Bass seems like a great Representative. But she's from LA and a member of Congress. I don't see what she adds to the ticket but maybe I'm missing something. I worry about adding a Congessmember to the ticket and how that makes the ticket open to anti-congress and anti- coastal urban elite attacks. The type of attacks that unfortunately resonate with key voting blocs. But that's

What's the angle of attack?

We know Trump's strategy because it's a rerun: depress gen x/millennial cusp black males, hype up gen x/millennial cusp white males, and scare suburban females.

I think that Michelle Lujan Grisham provides the executive and legislative experience plus ticks off a lot of boxes and can appeal to a lot of the swing states. She's shown that she has governed New Mexico well, she spent three terms in Congress including a leadership role. She served as the NM state secretary of health for a while. In the current pandemic situation, that would be a plus. She can't do a worse job than Pence has on the national response.

Blond, green-eyed Basque descendant.

This is the problem with identity politics. You are putting more emphasis on what they look like than you are on how qualified they are for the job.

The Democrats need to start putting at least some value in qualifications for the job rather than solely on identity politics or they are in for a world of hurt as they watch Trump truly destroy the Republic in a second term.

Biden has already said he will choose a woman. Let that be the standard for identity politics and then start finding the most qualified woman who will be a viable candidate in 4 years to assume the leadership of the Democratic party and lead the party to back-to-back terms of office.

“Current Governor wwho served multiple terms in the House of Representatives“ was fine for Mike Pence, I’m not sure why it makes you think “identity politics” when applied to Lujan Grisham. Care to share with the class?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The job is indeed hard and complex. I wish we lived in a world where competence was rewarded. I also wish we lived in a world where this election wasn't so vitally important. Tim Kaine is a competent Senator. Hillary Clinton was a competent Senator and SecState. John Kerry was a competent Senator. The American electorate does not place as much value in competence (or foreign policy) as we would like. Biden already provides a sharp contrast with Trump on competence on those two issues. Doubling down on competence if it doesn't add anything else isn't beneficial. Because Trump is also old and says stupid old man things they cancel each other out on the issue. Age isn't the issue they need to worry about.

This pick is hard. The VP needs to resonate in some way with the swing voters in Wisconsin, Arizona, or North Carolina. Florida is just too weird. In Wisconsin that swing vote is Gen X/Millennial cusp white males that want an outsider. In Arizona it's Gen X white suburban females that need to not be turned off. In North Carolina it's Gen X/Millennial cusp black males plus Gen X black suburban females that want an outsider and need not be turned off respectively.

Karen Bass seems like a great Representative. But she's from LA and a member of Congress. I don't see what she adds to the ticket but maybe I'm missing something. I worry about adding a Congessmember to the ticket and how that makes the ticket open to anti-congress and anti- coastal urban elite attacks. The type of attacks that unfortunately resonate with key voting blocs. But that's

What's the angle of attack?

We know Trump's strategy because it's a rerun: depress gen x/millennial cusp black males, hype up gen x/millennial cusp white males, and scare suburban females.

I think that Michelle Lujan Grisham provides the executive and legislative experience plus ticks off a lot of boxes and can appeal to a lot of the swing states. She's shown that she has governed New Mexico well, she spent three terms in Congress including a leadership role. She served as the NM state secretary of health for a while. In the current pandemic situation, that would be a plus. She can't do a worse job than Pence has on the national response.

Blond, green-eyed Basque descendant.

This is the problem with identity politics. You are putting more emphasis on what they look like than you are on how qualified they are for the job.

The Democrats need to start putting at least some value in qualifications for the job rather than solely on identity politics or they are in for a world of hurt as they watch Trump truly destroy the Republic in a second term.

Biden has already said he will choose a woman. Let that be the standard for identity politics and then start finding the most qualified woman who will be a viable candidate in 4 years to assume the leadership of the Democratic party and lead the party to back-to-back terms of office.

“Current Governor wwho served multiple terms in the House of Representatives“ was fine for Mike Pence, I’m not sure why it makes you think “identity politics” when applied to Lujan Grisham. Care to share with the class?

That would be fine. But the only complaint that Ms. Eyeroll up there had is that Lujan Grisham is a blond, green-eyed Basque descendant. Why is that a criticism? It shouldn't be for a VP candidate. It's completely irrelevant for her qualifications or disqualifications for the office. It should be a non-sequitur, but this person seems to think that it is relevant. That's the point of my comment; that she places too much emphasis on the person's identity and demographics than she places on the candidate's qualifications for the job. I agree with you that "Current governor who served multiple terms in the House of Representatives" is a good synopsis of her basic qualifications.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is the problem with identity politics. You are putting more emphasis on what they look like than you are on how qualified they are for the job.

The Democrats need to start putting at least some value in qualifications for the job rather than solely on identity politics or they are in for a world of hurt as they watch Trump truly destroy the Republic in a second term.

Biden has already said he will choose a woman. Let that be the standard for identity politics and then start finding the most qualified woman who will be a viable candidate in 4 years to assume the leadership of the Democratic party and lead the party to back-to-back terms of office.

“Identity politics;” only old white straight Christian-identified cis men need apply for anything and anyone who does not meet these criteria is only where they are due to identity politics.

Why are you on this thread.

Why am I on this thread? Because I care about getting Biden elected. I care about making sure that he picks a VP that will help him get elected instead of worrying about the identity of the candidate. Defeating Trump and getting Biden elected are far more important than the advancement of the first <subdemographic> to be elected VPOTUS. So, doing what is best for Biden is more important than doing what is best for race or minority progress.

If you place more emphasis on making demographics progress than you place on actually winning the election in November, then I think you have the wrong priorities. I have been lobbying for good qualified women candidates like Grisham and Duckworth. That hardly fits your accusation that only "old white straight Christian-identified cis men" need apply.

I not emphasizing demographic progress over winning.

Oh, then why was your criticism of Lujan Grisham solely based on her heritage. Your comment criticizing her was:

Blond, green-eyed Basque descendant.

Tell me what that says about her qualifications (or lack thereof) for the VPOTUS position. It says nothing other than she doesn't check your identity politics boxes.

As I said, I think you have the wrong priorities. Picking someone or ruling someone out solely on their demographics, not on their political qualifications.

That wasn’t me, dude. That was another pp.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The job is indeed hard and complex. I wish we lived in a world where competence was rewarded. I also wish we lived in a world where this election wasn't so vitally important. Tim Kaine is a competent Senator. Hillary Clinton was a competent Senator and SecState. John Kerry was a competent Senator. The American electorate does not place as much value in competence (or foreign policy) as we would like. Biden already provides a sharp contrast with Trump on competence on those two issues. Doubling down on competence if it doesn't add anything else isn't beneficial. Because Trump is also old and says stupid old man things they cancel each other out on the issue. Age isn't the issue they need to worry about.

This pick is hard. The VP needs to resonate in some way with the swing voters in Wisconsin, Arizona, or North Carolina. Florida is just too weird. In Wisconsin that swing vote is Gen X/Millennial cusp white males that want an outsider. In Arizona it's Gen X white suburban females that need to not be turned off. In North Carolina it's Gen X/Millennial cusp black males plus Gen X black suburban females that want an outsider and need not be turned off respectively.

Karen Bass seems like a great Representative. But she's from LA and a member of Congress. I don't see what she adds to the ticket but maybe I'm missing something. I worry about adding a Congessmember to the ticket and how that makes the ticket open to anti-congress and anti- coastal urban elite attacks. The type of attacks that unfortunately resonate with key voting blocs. But that's

What's the angle of attack?

We know Trump's strategy because it's a rerun: depress gen x/millennial cusp black males, hype up gen x/millennial cusp white males, and scare suburban females.

I think that Michelle Lujan Grisham provides the executive and legislative experience plus ticks off a lot of boxes and can appeal to a lot of the swing states. She's shown that she has governed New Mexico well, she spent three terms in Congress including a leadership role. She served as the NM state secretary of health for a while. In the current pandemic situation, that would be a plus. She can't do a worse job than Pence has on the national response.

Blond, green-eyed Basque descendant.

This is the problem with identity politics. You are putting more emphasis on what they look like than you are on how qualified they are for the job.

The Democrats need to start putting at least some value in qualifications for the job rather than solely on identity politics or they are in for a world of hurt as they watch Trump truly destroy the Republic in a second term.

Biden has already said he will choose a woman. Let that be the standard for identity politics and then start finding the most qualified woman who will be a viable candidate in 4 years to assume the leadership of the Democratic party and lead the party to back-to-back terms of office.

“Current Governor wwho served multiple terms in the House of Representatives“ was fine for Mike Pence, I’m not sure why it makes you think “identity politics” when applied to Lujan Grisham. Care to share with the class?

That would be fine. But the only complaint that Ms. Eyeroll up there had is that Lujan Grisham is a blond, green-eyed Basque descendant. Why is that a criticism? It shouldn't be for a VP candidate. It's completely irrelevant for her qualifications or disqualifications for the office. It should be a non-sequitur, but this person seems to think that it is relevant. That's the point of my comment; that she places too much emphasis on the person's identity and demographics than she places on the candidate's qualifications for the job. I agree with you that "Current governor who served multiple terms in the House of Representatives" is a good synopsis of her basic qualifications.

+1

This is very appealing

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The job is indeed hard and complex. I wish we lived in a world where competence was rewarded. I also wish we lived in a world where this election wasn't so vitally important. Tim Kaine is a competent Senator. Hillary Clinton was a competent Senator and SecState. John Kerry was a competent Senator. The American electorate does not place as much value in competence (or foreign policy) as we would like. Biden already provides a sharp contrast with Trump on competence on those two issues. Doubling down on competence if it doesn't add anything else isn't beneficial. Because Trump is also old and says stupid old man things they cancel each other out on the issue. Age isn't the issue they need to worry about.

This pick is hard. The VP needs to resonate in some way with the swing voters in Wisconsin, Arizona, or North Carolina. Florida is just too weird. In Wisconsin that swing vote is Gen X/Millennial cusp white males that want an outsider. In Arizona it's Gen X white suburban females that need to not be turned off. In North Carolina it's Gen X/Millennial cusp black males plus Gen X black suburban females that want an outsider and need not be turned off respectively.

Karen Bass seems like a great Representative. But she's from LA and a member of Congress. I don't see what she adds to the ticket but maybe I'm missing something. I worry about adding a Congessmember to the ticket and how that makes the ticket open to anti-congress and anti- coastal urban elite attacks. The type of attacks that unfortunately resonate with key voting blocs. But that's

What's the angle of attack?

We know Trump's strategy because it's a rerun: depress gen x/millennial cusp black males, hype up gen x/millennial cusp white males, and scare suburban females.

I think that Michelle Lujan Grisham provides the executive and legislative experience plus ticks off a lot of boxes and can appeal to a lot of the swing states. She's shown that she has governed New Mexico well, she spent three terms in Congress including a leadership role. She served as the NM state secretary of health for a while. In the current pandemic situation, that would be a plus. She can't do a worse job than Pence has on the national response.

Blond, green-eyed Basque descendant.

This is the problem with identity politics. You are putting more emphasis on what they look like than you are on how qualified they are for the job.

The Democrats need to start putting at least some value in qualifications for the job rather than solely on identity politics or they are in for a world of hurt as they watch Trump truly destroy the Republic in a second term.

Biden has already said he will choose a woman. Let that be the standard for identity politics and then start finding the most qualified woman who will be a viable candidate in 4 years to assume the leadership of the Democratic party and lead the party to back-to-back terms of office.

“Current Governor wwho served multiple terms in the House of Representatives“ was fine for Mike Pence, I’m not sure why it makes you think “identity politics” when applied to Lujan Grisham. Care to share with the class?

That would be fine. But the only complaint that Ms. Eyeroll up there had is that Lujan Grisham is a blond, green-eyed Basque descendant. Why is that a criticism? It shouldn't be for a VP candidate. It's completely irrelevant for her qualifications or disqualifications for the office. It should be a non-sequitur, but this person seems to think that it is relevant. That's the point of my comment; that she places too much emphasis on the person's identity and demographics than she places on the candidate's qualifications for the job. I agree with you that "Current governor who served multiple terms in the House of Representatives" is a good synopsis of her basic qualifications.

+1

This is very appealing

In terms of experience, she is solid, more so than about half of the other prospects. But she was not a terribly effective legislator, and not much in the way of congressional leadership:
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/members/michelle_lujan_grisham/412558