High school students crash near the Pentagon

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Anonymous wrote:All of the graduated licensing elements are based upon scientific evidence.

This shows how they could be strengthened (ie, how many lives would be saved if they were).

https://www.iihs.org/topics/teenagers/gdl-calculator

Case in point: having kids with provisional licenses stop driving by 8 instead of midnight.
Remember —you can hold your kids to the rules that SHOULD be in place (such as delaying driving).

Europeans do not let 14 and 15 year olds drive—it is not safe. Most wait until 18. US Parents need to step up a little longer, to keep their kids alive.

My recently turned 17-year old son we have delayed. He isn’t driving yet. Older brother we really didn’t let drive much alone until Senior year and he is very cautious, responsible and had been driving with us in the car since sophomore year. I always thought 16 was too young for boys, even responsible ones.

Very wise of you.

It is not easy. I made my daughter wait until 17 before even starting to learn. I tried to get other parents to go along with this safer timeline.

People, what could possibly matter more? It is the leading cause of death for young people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I hope the parent of the driver are charged. Incredibly negligent to give a teen a BMW, and to let them go out on a late Saturday night in the rain.

Lots of kids out late for proms this time of year.

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Anonymous wrote:No teenager should be driving a performance car like that. The parents are crazy.

I known of so many teens who have died throughout my lifetime because they had a BMW or a Mustang etc...

My dad always said this!! Also none one to rollover —which are certain jeeps/suvs.

But the high performance cars- no effing way.

As someone pointed out at least 5 of the recent high speed teen crashes—driver was driving a bmw sedan. I’ve seen kids in Porsches drive out of our HS, and motorcycles. It really makes me question their parenting.

Everyone says Jeeps are rollover death-traps and unsafe for teen drivers - but as many Jeeps as we have in the DC area, and the number has to be in the tens of thousands, I cannot recall ever seeing or even hearing about a rollover crash that killed some teen drivers and passengers. I’m not saying it probably hasn’t happened…somewhere… but I cannot think of even one local example.

Compare that to BMW’s, where I can think of a minimum of a half dozen local crashes in the just last decade that killed teens.

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Anonymous wrote:Extremely sad news is not even the way to begin this. Three students were in an accident near the Pentagon, their BMW hit a Lexus. Two did not survive. I am hearing these are students from a Fairfax county high School. This is beyond tragic.

It sucks. It’s a bummer. But it’s not “tragic.” This doesn’t meet any definition of tragedy

Confirming my longstanding suspicion that some of the worst humans on earth hang out on DCUM.

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Yep. They’re easy to spot - they’re the ones defending their choice to provide their 17 year old kid with a BMW or other sports car.

These BMWs are really fast and hi-powered; they are not like other cars.

+1. They are like the pit-bull dogs of the car world.

They both really need to be banned because they are just too dangerous.

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How anyone can advocate banning guns but say nothing about banning high powered cars is obtuse. No one needs a car that can go faster than 75-80 mph. Cars should be equipped with a GPS sensor that prevents them from exceeding the posted speed limit on whatever road they’re on. Self-driving cars manage to not speed. Human drivers should have the same technology imposed on them.

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Anonymous wrote:Extremely sad news is not even the way to begin this. Three students were in an accident near the Pentagon, their BMW hit a Lexus. Two did not survive. I am hearing these are students from a Fairfax county high School. This is beyond tragic.

It sucks. It’s a bummer. But it’s not “tragic.” This doesn’t meet any definition of tragedy

Confirming my longstanding suspicion that some of the worst humans on earth hang out on DCUM.

+1000

Yep. They’re easy to spot - they’re the ones defending their choice to provide their 17 year old kid with a BMW or other sports car.

These BMWs are really fast and hi-powered; they are not like other cars.

+1. They are like the pit-bull dogs of the car world.

They both really need to be banned because they are just too dangerous.

+1

How anyone can advocate banning guns but say nothing about banning high powered cars is obtuse. No one needs a car that can go faster than 75-80 mph. Cars should be equipped with a GPS sensor that prevents them from exceeding the posted speed limit on whatever road they’re on. Self-driving cars manage to not speed. Human drivers should have the same technology imposed on them.

I drive a kid to and from practice in Springfield (from DC)—395 is a death trap any night of the week coming back at 9pm. People are racing each other and weaving out of lanes at top speed. He’s 17 and I will not let him drive to/from practice.

Drivers have gotten considerably worse everywhere since Covid.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t give teens BMWs or similar. This tale keeps getting repeated with tragic results. At least this time they hurt themselves and not innocent teens walking down a sidewalk.

I was just thinking about that and it was another teen boy in a BMW. I know kids can do damage with any vehicle but why would you let a teen drive a performance car?

I can’t believe how many posts there are like this on page re car. We let our HS student drive a BMW that we bought used 8 years earlier for $25k. I’m not up on cars, but the model has nothing to do with the crash, though they aren’t tin cans like you’d probably prefer. I’m just pointing out that we didn’t buy a $60K car for our DS. That’s why these posts are off point as some weird gotcha.

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Anonymous wrote:Extremely sad news is not even the way to begin this. Three students were in an accident near the Pentagon, their BMW hit a Lexus. Two did not survive. I am hearing these are students from a Fairfax county high School. This is beyond tragic.

It sucks. It’s a bummer. But it’s not “tragic.” This doesn’t meet any definition of tragedy

Confirming my longstanding suspicion that some of the worst humans on earth hang out on DCUM.

+1000

Yep. They’re easy to spot - they’re the ones defending their choice to provide their 17 year old kid with a BMW or other sports car.

These BMWs are really fast and hi-powered; they are not like other cars.

+1. They are like the pit-bull dogs of the car world.

They both really need to be banned because they are just too dangerous.

+1

How anyone can advocate banning guns but say nothing about banning high powered cars is obtuse. No one needs a car that can go faster than 75-80 mph. Cars should be equipped with a GPS sensor that prevents them from exceeding the posted speed limit on whatever road they’re on. Self-driving cars manage to not speed. Human drivers should have the same technology imposed on them.

I drive a kid to and from practice in Springfield (from DC)—395 is a death trap any night of the week coming back at 9pm. People are racing each other and weaving out of lanes at top speed. He’s 17 and I will not let him drive to/from practice.

Drivers have gotten considerably worse everywhere since Covid.

I think the car racing on busy roads is less about post covid driving, and more about social media live streaming and video clicks.

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Anonymous wrote:OP is a nasty POS - note how she just HAD to mention the type of car. Disgusting.

You’re an even nastier POS, for attacking her.

The make of car they were driving is relevant. Why do parents allow their teens to have access to high performance cars? It’s exactly the same thing as giving them an AR15 and some bullets and then being shocked when they shoot someone.

A 16,17 or even 18 year old has absolutely no business driving a high performance car like that. Parents who give their children cars like that or allow them to drive theirs are complicit in these crashes.

We get it. You cannot afford to get your kid an expensive car. But the idea that buying a kid a BMW is the same thing as buying them a loaded gun is ridiculous.

Why? They kill the same number of people annually.

BMWs kill 125+ people a day in America? Why isn’t this headline news?

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t give teens BMWs or similar. This tale keeps getting repeated with tragic results. At least this time they hurt themselves and not innocent teens walking down a sidewalk.

I was just thinking about that and it was another teen boy in a BMW. I know kids can do damage with any vehicle but why would you let a teen drive a performance car?

I can’t believe how many posts there are like this on page re car. We let our HS student drive a BMW that we bought used 8 years earlier for $25k. I’m not up on cars, but the model has nothing to do with the crash, though they aren’t tin cans like you’d probably prefer. I’m just pointing out that we didn’t buy a $60K car for our DS. That’s why these posts are off point as some weird gotcha.

Why so many teens crashing BMWs?

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Why so many parents allowing your kids to get into cars you don't approve of? Easy solution.

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Bmw has nothing to do with it. Dumbest post ever. A way to shame well off parents. Did you know that a 3 year old bmw can cost as much as a Honda Accord and the Honda can be faster? The teens who died in McLean a few years a go were in an old Cadillac Escalade

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t give teens BMWs or similar. This tale keeps getting repeated with tragic results. At least this time they hurt themselves and not innocent teens walking down a sidewalk.

I was just thinking about that and it was another teen boy in a BMW. I know kids can do damage with any vehicle but why would you let a teen drive a performance car?

I can’t believe how many posts there are like this on page re car. We let our HS student drive a BMW that we bought used 8 years earlier for $25k. I’m not up on cars, but the model has nothing to do with the crash, though they aren’t tin cans like you’d probably prefer. I’m just pointing out that we didn’t buy a $60K car for our DS. That’s why these posts are off point as some weird gotcha.

Why so many teens crashing BMWs?

I’m not sure that’s true. My Volvo drives significantly smoother and faster than my earlier BMW, FWIW.

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Anonymous wrote:OP is a nasty POS - note how she just HAD to mention the type of car. Disgusting.

You’re an even nastier POS, for attacking her.

The make of car they were driving is relevant. Why do parents allow their teens to have access to high performance cars? It’s exactly the same thing as giving them an AR15 and some bullets and then being shocked when they shoot someone.

A 16,17 or even 18 year old has absolutely no business driving a high performance car like that. Parents who give their children cars like that or allow them to drive theirs are complicit in these crashes.

We get it. You cannot afford to get your kid an expensive car. But the idea that buying a kid a BMW is the same thing as buying them a loaded gun is ridiculous.

Why? They kill the same number of people annually.

BMWs kill 125+ people a day in America? Why isn’t this headline news?

BMWs don't even make the top; 20 in most deadly vehicles. You people are crazy. Yes this is a tragedy. Yes parents should exert more control over their kids' vehicle usage and behavior. Yes this was a preventable accident, meaning fault lies with at least one of the vehicle occupants. But this rant on BMW is nuts. Every single vehicle is a death machine in the hands of inexperienced drivers who engage in high risk behavior.

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It is always helpful to look at Consumer Reports list of safe cars for teens.

"As in past years, the list doesn’t include anything with excessive horsepower relative to weight or anything marketed for performance. Such vehicles can entice young drivers to take risks or lead them to speed unintentionally."

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/safe-vehicles-for-teens

FYI there are some BMW models on the list of safe cars for teens, but only in the used category (two of which are older SUV models).

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:OP is a nasty POS - note how she just HAD to mention the type of car. Disgusting.

You’re an even nastier POS, for attacking her.

The make of car they were driving is relevant. Why do parents allow their teens to have access to high performance cars? It’s exactly the same thing as giving them an AR15 and some bullets and then being shocked when they shoot someone.

A 16,17 or even 18 year old has absolutely no business driving a high performance car like that. Parents who give their children cars like that or allow them to drive theirs are complicit in these crashes.

We get it. You cannot afford to get your kid an expensive car. But the idea that buying a kid a BMW is the same thing as buying them a loaded gun is ridiculous.

Why? They kill the same number of people annually.

BMWs kill 125+ people a day in America? Why isn’t this headline news?

But they can tell themselves that their kid doesn't drive a BMW, so they are protected from this happening to their kid.

BMWs don't even make the top; 20 in most deadly vehicles. You people are crazy. Yes this is a tragedy. Yes parents should exert more control over their kids' vehicle usage and behavior. Yes this was a preventable accident, meaning fault lies with at least one of the vehicle occupants. But this rant on BMW is nuts. Every single vehicle is a death machine in the hands of inexperienced drivers who engage in high risk behavior.