High school students crash near the Pentagon

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard from multiple people, that this kid was great influence on the community, and was not a speeder on the road he abided all the rules, there’s reason it’s called an accident and he’s not getting charged with attempted murder because what happened was not his fault. Some of you people need to take a better look at things then assume solely of the model of the car.

And yet the police estimate his speed at twice the limit....

+1. People always speak well of the dead. Doesn’t make them innocent.

[Anonymous]

I am amazed people feel so comfortable passing judgement on an accident they don't have all the data about, and also gleefully judge people who have lost their children and have a child in serious condition. What is the goal? Feeling like a better parent? If anything we can discuss that boys AND men, grown men included, are much more at risk when it comes to road safety: 3/4th of fatal crashes are caused by men. That extends to bike safety, motorcycle safety and pedestrian safety as well. I doubt this is caused by parenting in every instance. There are other factors at play. There is zero value in passing judgement on this specific tragic situation.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am amazed people feel so comfortable passing judgement on an accident they don't have all the data about, and also gleefully judge people who have lost their children and have a child in serious condition. What is the goal? Feeling like a better parent? If anything we can discuss that boys AND men, grown men included, are much more at risk when it comes to road safety: 3/4th of fatal crashes are caused by men. That extends to bike safety, motorcycle safety and pedestrian safety as well. I doubt this is caused by parenting in every instance. There are other factors at play. There is zero value in passing judgement on this specific tragic situation.

I disagree. Show your sons this story and tell them yet another “good kid” killed two friends with “one time” reckless behavior. It only takes once. Hit it home, over and over and over again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am amazed people feel so comfortable passing judgement on an accident they don't have all the data about, and also gleefully judge people who have lost their children and have a child in serious condition. What is the goal? Feeling like a better parent? If anything we can discuss that boys AND men, grown men included, are much more at risk when it comes to road safety: 3/4th of fatal crashes are caused by men. That extends to bike safety, motorcycle safety and pedestrian safety as well. I doubt this is caused by parenting in every instance. There are other factors at play. There is zero value in passing judgement on this specific tragic situation.

I already know I’m a better parent so no, that isn’t the goal. The goal is by publicly calling this what it is - poor parenting - we can prevent it happening to anyone else. Calling it an accident is not accurate and it is not doing anything to prevent this happening again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am amazed people feel so comfortable passing judgement on an accident they don't have all the data about, and also gleefully judge people who have lost their children and have a child in serious condition. What is the goal? Feeling like a better parent? If anything we can discuss that boys AND men, grown men included, are much more at risk when it comes to road safety: 3/4th of fatal crashes are caused by men. That extends to bike safety, motorcycle safety and pedestrian safety as well. I doubt this is caused by parenting in every instance. There are other factors at play. There is zero value in passing judgement on this specific tragic situation.

I already know I’m a better parent so no, that isn’t the goal. The goal is by publicly calling this what it is - poor parenting - we can prevent it happening to anyone else. Calling it an accident is not accurate and it is not doing anything to prevent this happening again.

The judgement reflected in your ugly posts does NOTHING to prevent future fatal accidents. In fact, your posts play into the myth that these tragedies happen to other kids, from inferior families.

The only proven way to prevent future teen deaths is to pass evidence-based traffic safety legislation .

https://saferoads.org/advocates-roadmap-reports/

But we know that helping others was never the point of your post. Rather, it was to feed your smug, obnoxious ego.

My heart goes out to those shattered families

-signed a safety professional

[Anonymous]

No, safety professional, the only way to try to prevent this isn’t by road design. It’s also by not buying teens BMWs! It’s also by requiring them to follow state teen driving restrictions! You would think parent would know better after Usman Shahid drove a BMW extremely recklessly and killed two Oakton High School kids who were innocently walking home from school in 2022. But, no, these parents gave their teen son a BMW and let him drive too many people, too fast and killed them. I hope this driver is also criminally charged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am amazed people feel so comfortable passing judgement on an accident they don't have all the data about, and also gleefully judge people who have lost their children and have a child in serious condition. What is the goal? Feeling like a better parent? If anything we can discuss that boys AND men, grown men included, are much more at risk when it comes to road safety: 3/4th of fatal crashes are caused by men. That extends to bike safety, motorcycle safety and pedestrian safety as well. I doubt this is caused by parenting in every instance. There are other factors at play. There is zero value in passing judgement on this specific tragic situation.

I already know I’m a better parent so no, that isn’t the goal. The goal is by publicly calling this what it is - poor parenting - we can prevent it happening to anyone else. Calling it an accident is not accurate and it is not doing anything to prevent this happening again.

The judgement reflected in your ugly posts does NOTHING to prevent future fatal accidents. In fact, your posts play into the myth that these tragedies happen to other kids, from inferior families.

The only proven way to prevent future teen deaths is to pass evidence-based traffic safety legislation .

https://saferoads.org/advocates-roadmap-reports/

But we know that helping others was never the point of your post. Rather, it was to feed your smug, obnoxious ego.

My heart goes out to those shattered families

-signed a safety professional

Stop stock puppeting. It's unseemly. People are going to judge and criticize here. You can't stop it. Just shut up with your invalid opinions and feelings.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am amazed people feel so comfortable passing judgement on an accident they don't have all the data about, and also gleefully judge people who have lost their children and have a child in serious condition. What is the goal? Feeling like a better parent? If anything we can discuss that boys AND men, grown men included, are much more at risk when it comes to road safety: 3/4th of fatal crashes are caused by men. That extends to bike safety, motorcycle safety and pedestrian safety as well. I doubt this is caused by parenting in every instance. There are other factors at play. There is zero value in passing judgement on this specific tragic situation.

I already know I’m a better parent so no, that isn’t the goal. The goal is by publicly calling this what it is - poor parenting - we can prevent it happening to anyone else. Calling it an accident is not accurate and it is not doing anything to prevent this happening again.

The judgement reflected in your ugly posts does NOTHING to prevent future fatal accidents. In fact, your posts play into the myth that these tragedies happen to other kids, from inferior families.

The only proven way to prevent future teen deaths is to pass evidence-based traffic safety legislation .

https://saferoads.org/advocates-roadmap-reports/

But we know that helping others was never the point of your post. Rather, it was to feed your smug, obnoxious ego.

My heart goes out to those shattered families

-signed a safety professional

Stop stock puppeting. It's unseemly. People are going to judge and criticize here. You can't stop it. Just shut up with your invalid opinions and feelings.

Evidence-based facts are neither opinions nor feelings, hence they are valid.

But I realize that is probably all lost on you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am amazed people feel so comfortable passing judgement on an accident they don't have all the data about, and also gleefully judge people who have lost their children and have a child in serious condition. What is the goal? Feeling like a better parent? If anything we can discuss that boys AND men, grown men included, are much more at risk when it comes to road safety: 3/4th of fatal crashes are caused by men. That extends to bike safety, motorcycle safety and pedestrian safety as well. I doubt this is caused by parenting in every instance. There are other factors at play. There is zero value in passing judgement on this specific tragic situation.

I already know I’m a better parent so no, that isn’t the goal. The goal is by publicly calling this what it is - poor parenting - we can prevent it happening to anyone else. Calling it an accident is not accurate and it is not doing anything to prevent this happening again.

The judgement reflected in your ugly posts does NOTHING to prevent future fatal accidents. In fact, your posts play into the myth that these tragedies happen to other kids, from inferior families.

The only proven way to prevent future teen deaths is to pass evidence-based traffic safety legislation .

https://saferoads.org/advocates-roadmap-reports/

But we know that helping others was never the point of your post. Rather, it was to feed your smug, obnoxious ego.

My heart goes out to those shattered families

-signed a safety professional

Stop stock puppeting. It's unseemly. People are going to judge and criticize here. You can't stop it. Just shut up with your invalid opinions and feelings.

Who wouldn’t listen to someone who throws around impressive terms like, “STOCK puppeting?” 🤣

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I’ve heard from multiple people, that this kid was great influence on the community, and was not a speeder on the road he abided all the rules, there’s reason it’s called an accident and he’s not getting charged with attempted murder because what happened was not his fault. Some of you people need to take a better look at things then assume solely of the model of the car.

Well it appears that speeding was the cause of the accident- maybe we don’t know that yet? And he violated the rules by driving too many friends in his car.

And every single one of us with a teen, I guarantee they have done something equally stupid at least one time, and most have the good luck not to have such a terrible consequence. People like to get really judgy around this stuff because it makes them think nothing bad will happen to them or to their kid because they control the situation. We have made a societal decision to let kids drive at an age when maybe they shouldn't, and with very lax enforcement of the rules that are supposed to make it safer. Maybe we should be thinking not that this is a terrible kid or family, but how our societal choice might not be correct.

Then why is it almost always the boys? Do better parents.

The Fairfax county crash two years ago was a car full of girls. Do better parents.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am amazed people feel so comfortable passing judgement on an accident they don't have all the data about, and also gleefully judge people who have lost their children and have a child in serious condition. What is the goal? Feeling like a better parent? If anything we can discuss that boys AND men, grown men included, are much more at risk when it comes to road safety: 3/4th of fatal crashes are caused by men. That extends to bike safety, motorcycle safety and pedestrian safety as well. I doubt this is caused by parenting in every instance. There are other factors at play. There is zero value in passing judgement on this specific tragic situation.

I already know I’m a better parent so no, that isn’t the goal. The goal is by publicly calling this what it is - poor parenting - we can prevent it happening to anyone else. Calling it an accident is not accurate and it is not doing anything to prevent this happening again.

The judgement reflected in your ugly posts does NOTHING to prevent future fatal accidents. In fact, your posts play into the myth that these tragedies happen to other kids, from inferior families.

The only proven way to prevent future teen deaths is to pass evidence-based traffic safety legislation .

https://saferoads.org/advocates-roadmap-reports/

But we know that helping others was never the point of your post. Rather, it was to feed your smug, obnoxious ego.

My heart goes out to those shattered families

-signed a safety professional

Translated: “more bike lanes”.


Because I’m sure “safety professional” will soon post how “these kids would still be alive if they were all riding on a bike together” instead of in a car.

As if they’re going pedal all the way to DC from Lorton to party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:No, safety professional, the only way to try to prevent this isn’t by road design. It’s also by not buying teens BMWs! It’s also by requiring them to follow state teen driving restrictions! You would think parent would know better after Usman Shahid drove a BMW extremely recklessly and killed two Oakton High School kids who were innocently walking home from school in 2022. But, no, these parents gave their teen son a BMW and let him drive too many people, too fast and killed them. I hope this driver is also criminally charged.

So can Usman Shahid be deported back to Pakistan once he finishes his very short sentence?

[Anonymous]

We have a junior who just got his license. Got him a boring KIA with all the safety features. My husband and I were walking in our neighborhood and saw him tear down our street, way faster than he should have been going. After that and realizing that a car is indeed a potential death machine, we have professionally installed dash cams. We can take the chip out at any time and see how fast our kid was driving, if he’s on his phone, etc. I think just the fact that he knows keeps him on guard. My husband looks once a week. It was inexpensive and while not fail proof, if we even get a hint that he’s driving too fast, on his phone, etc, that car will be taken away. We don’t play when it comes to 17 year old frontal lobes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:We have a junior who just got his license. Got him a boring KIA with all the safety features. My husband and I were walking in our neighborhood and saw him tear down our street, way faster than he should have been going. After that and realizing that a car is indeed a potential death machine, we have professionally installed dash cams. We can take the chip out at any time and see how fast our kid was driving, if he’s on his phone, etc. I think just the fact that he knows keeps him on guard. My husband looks once a week. It was inexpensive and while not fail proof, if we even get a hint that he’s driving too fast, on his phone, etc, that car will be taken away. We don’t play when it comes to 17 year old frontal lobes.

We have State Farm and install a safety reader in the car. It gives you a "good driver" discount (provided you are indeed a safe driver!) and provides a lot of data: any speeding, unsafe turns, phone use...We have an app and would check on ds's driving daily the first few months he was driving.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:We have a junior who just got his license. Got him a boring KIA with all the safety features. My husband and I were walking in our neighborhood and saw him tear down our street, way faster than he should have been going. After that and realizing that a car is indeed a potential death machine, we have professionally installed dash cams. We can take the chip out at any time and see how fast our kid was driving, if he’s on his phone, etc. I think just the fact that he knows keeps him on guard. My husband looks once a week. It was inexpensive and while not fail proof, if we even get a hint that he’s driving too fast, on his phone, etc, that car will be taken away. We don’t play when it comes to 17 year old frontal lobes.

We have State Farm and install a safety reader in the car. It gives you a "good driver" discount (provided you are indeed a safe driver!) and provides a lot of data: any speeding, unsafe turns, phone use...We have an app and would check on ds's driving daily the first few months he was driving.

We have this too. But in PP’s case I would have taken the car keys for a month after witnessing him “tear down our street way faster than he should have been going.” We aren’t counting strikes on that sort of thing. Zero tolerance. I report teens to their parents regularly if I know them, and I’ve also reported teens to the HS principal if I see dangerous driving near the school. The principal suspends on campus parking privileges if you are seen driving dangerously.