High school students crash near the Pentagon

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Bmw has nothing to do with it. Dumbest post ever. A way to shame well off parents. Did you know that a 3 year old bmw can cost as much as a Honda Accord and the Honda can be faster? The teens who died in McLean a few years a go were in an old Cadillac Escalade

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t give teens BMWs or similar. This tale keeps getting repeated with tragic results. At least this time they hurt themselves and not innocent teens walking down a sidewalk.

I was just thinking about that and it was another teen boy in a BMW. I know kids can do damage with any vehicle but why would you let a teen drive a performance car?

I can’t believe how many posts there are like this on page re car. We let our HS student drive a BMW that we bought used 8 years earlier for $25k. I’m not up on cars, but the model has nothing to do with the crash, though they aren’t tin cans like you’d probably prefer. I’m just pointing out that we didn’t buy a $60K car for our DS. That’s why these posts are off point as some weird gotcha.

Why so many teens crashing BMWs?

I’m not sure that’s true. My Volvo drives significantly smoother and faster than my earlier BMW, FWIW.

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Anonymous wrote:OP is a nasty POS - note how she just HAD to mention the type of car. Disgusting.

You’re an even nastier POS, for attacking her.

The make of car they were driving is relevant. Why do parents allow their teens to have access to high performance cars? It’s exactly the same thing as giving them an AR15 and some bullets and then being shocked when they shoot someone.

A 16,17 or even 18 year old has absolutely no business driving a high performance car like that. Parents who give their children cars like that or allow them to drive theirs are complicit in these crashes.

We get it. You cannot afford to get your kid an expensive car. But the idea that buying a kid a BMW is the same thing as buying them a loaded gun is ridiculous.

Why? They kill the same number of people annually.

BMWs kill 125+ people a day in America? Why isn’t this headline news?

BMWs don't even make the top; 20 in most deadly vehicles. You people are crazy. Yes this is a tragedy. Yes parents should exert more control over their kids' vehicle usage and behavior. Yes this was a preventable accident, meaning fault lies with at least one of the vehicle occupants. But this rant on BMW is nuts. Every single vehicle is a death machine in the hands of inexperienced drivers who engage in high risk behavior.

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It is always helpful to look at Consumer Reports list of safe cars for teens.

"As in past years, the list doesn’t include anything with excessive horsepower relative to weight or anything marketed for performance. Such vehicles can entice young drivers to take risks or lead them to speed unintentionally."

https://www.iihs.org/ratings/safe-vehicles-for-teens

FYI there are some BMW models on the list of safe cars for teens, but only in the used category (two of which are older SUV models).

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Anonymous wrote:OP is a nasty POS - note how she just HAD to mention the type of car. Disgusting.

You’re an even nastier POS, for attacking her.

The make of car they were driving is relevant. Why do parents allow their teens to have access to high performance cars? It’s exactly the same thing as giving them an AR15 and some bullets and then being shocked when they shoot someone.

A 16,17 or even 18 year old has absolutely no business driving a high performance car like that. Parents who give their children cars like that or allow them to drive theirs are complicit in these crashes.

We get it. You cannot afford to get your kid an expensive car. But the idea that buying a kid a BMW is the same thing as buying them a loaded gun is ridiculous.

Why? They kill the same number of people annually.

BMWs kill 125+ people a day in America? Why isn’t this headline news?

But they can tell themselves that their kid doesn't drive a BMW, so they are protected from this happening to their kid.

BMWs don't even make the top; 20 in most deadly vehicles. You people are crazy. Yes this is a tragedy. Yes parents should exert more control over their kids' vehicle usage and behavior. Yes this was a preventable accident, meaning fault lies with at least one of the vehicle occupants. But this rant on BMW is nuts. Every single vehicle is a death machine in the hands of inexperienced drivers who engage in high risk behavior.

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Parents: put a tracker on your teens cars and take away their keys if you see they’re being reckless. Of all the ways technology can improve our lives, this is one of the simplest and most valuable.

Driving is a privilege. Treat it that way.

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Anonymous wrote:Extremely sad news is not even the way to begin this. Three students were in an accident near the Pentagon, their BMW hit a Lexus. Two did not survive. I am hearing these are students from a Fairfax county high School. This is beyond tragic.

It sucks. It’s a bummer. But it’s not “tragic.” This doesn’t meet any definition of tragedy

Confirming my longstanding suspicion that some of the worst humans on earth hang out on DCUM.

+1000

Yep. They’re easy to spot - they’re the ones defending their choice to provide their 17 year old kid with a BMW or other sports car.

These BMWs are really fast and hi-powered; they are not like other cars.

+1. They are like the pit-bull dogs of the car world.

They both really need to be banned because they are just too dangerous.

+1

How anyone can advocate banning guns but say nothing about banning high powered cars is obtuse. No one needs a car that can go faster than 75-80 mph. Cars should be equipped with a GPS sensor that prevents them from exceeding the posted speed limit on whatever road they’re on. Self-driving cars manage to not speed. Human drivers should have the same technology imposed on them.

I drive a kid to and from practice in Springfield (from DC)—395 is a death trap any night of the week coming back at 9pm. People are racing each other and weaving out of lanes at top speed. He’s 17 and I will not let him drive to/from practice.

Drivers have gotten considerably worse everywhere since Covid.

I think the car racing on busy roads is less about post covid driving, and more about social media live streaming and video clicks.

It’s both.

And the return to office mandate has made all these people batsh@t crazy on the roads racing to get home to pick up kids or to work. Stress, distraction and so many gddamn people texting!!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:The gun analogy really IS perfect. A kid with a BMW has basically been given the automotive equivalent of an AR15. Just as there are many types of guns, with some of them being less-equipped for spree-killers, whereas AR15 type guns are more-equipped for mass-shooters. So it is also with cars. A BMW is much more equipped to be driven irresponsiblly than a minivan or economy car. I’d go so far as to say there’s no justification for ANYONE to own a high performance car such as these, just as there’s no justification for anyone to own an AR15 rather than a standard hunting type rifle that only shoots one bullet. Put simply, just as hunters don’t need AR15 guns, drivers don’t need the equivalent of race cars.

No it’s not. A newer bmw will have better safety features.

Does it have a speed governor?

No, you moron, it does not.
Can you name me a car that does?

You can set a governor on BMWs. The driver can unset them though. I don’t know that there’s a way to lock it.

You mean cruise control?

It’s called speed limit assist. Not quite sure how it works but was making me crazy in a rental recently.

That tells you something about your driving habits, no?

Well it was set to 30 and I was on the highway so it was dangerous for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the graduated licensing elements are based upon scientific evidence.

This shows how they could be strengthened (ie, how many lives would be saved if they were).

https://www.iihs.org/topics/teenagers/gdl-calculator

Case in point: having kids with provisional licenses stop driving by 8 instead of midnight.
Remember —you can hold your kids to the rules that SHOULD be in place (such as delaying driving).

Europeans do not let 14 and 15 year olds drive—it is not safe. Most wait until 18. US Parents need to step up a little longer, to keep their kids alive.

My recently turned 17-year old son we have delayed. He isn’t driving yet. Older brother we really didn’t let drive much alone until Senior year and he is very cautious, responsible and had been driving with us in the car since sophomore year. I always thought 16 was too young for boys, even responsible ones.

Very wise of you.

It is not easy. I made my daughter wait until 17 before even starting to learn. I tried to get other parents to go along with this safer timeline.

People, what could possibly matter more? It is the leading cause of death for young people.

I wanted my kids to have as much experience with me and with familiar roads before they went to college.

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When I was freshman in high school, a very popular senior boy died in a drunk driving accident. Yes, he was at fault. I will never forget the sense of darkness, grief, and fear that enveloped our school. I am really thankful that many of the parents and teachers stepped up and not only were there for us, but talked to us about preventing similar accidents and took action in ways that actually worked for teens.

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Anonymous wrote:All of the graduated licensing elements are based upon scientific evidence.

This shows how they could be strengthened (ie, how many lives would be saved if they were).

https://www.iihs.org/topics/teenagers/gdl-calculator

Case in point: having kids with provisional licenses stop driving by 8 instead of midnight.
Remember —you can hold your kids to the rules that SHOULD be in place (such as delaying driving).

Europeans do not let 14 and 15 year olds drive—it is not safe. Most wait until 18. US Parents need to step up a little longer, to keep their kids alive.

My recently turned 17-year old son we have delayed. He isn’t driving yet. Older brother we really didn’t let drive much alone until Senior year and he is very cautious, responsible and had been driving with us in the car since sophomore year. I always thought 16 was too young for boys, even responsible ones.

Very wise of you.

It is not easy. I made my daughter wait until 17 before even starting to learn. I tried to get other parents to go along with this safer timeline.

People, what could possibly matter more? It is the leading cause of death for young people.

I wanted my kids to have as much experience with me and with familiar roads before they went to college.

This. I want my DD driving as much as possible (safely, and with supervision in new situations) before she leaves for college. The solution does not need to be withholding driving. Instead it should be restricted driving and continuing the parental driving lessons even after the license is obtained. She’s had her license a year and we are still teaching her highway driving, bad weather driving, congested big city driving, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Don’t give teens BMWs or similar. This tale keeps getting repeated with tragic results. At least this time they hurt themselves and not innocent teens walking down a sidewalk.

Kids can crash in any car. A BMW would hopefully have more safety features.

It was a BMW that destroyed the family at Pyle a few years ago.

Parents giving high performance vehicles to inexperienced teenagers are profoundly reckless and I hope every single one of them are sued into oblivion for those accidents.

I absolutely agree if the parents were negligent they should be sued but it makes no sense to blame it on “a bmw.” Kids drive way too fast and kill themselves and others in all types of cars. (-a mom who drives an old Camry)

Driving an old Camry isn't great either as it doesn't have all the safety features. You can easily make a wrong move and kill someone.

Well apparently the BMW safety features didn’t prevent it from reaching 100+ mph and then crashing into another car.

So please explain how the BMW was any safer in this situation than a 2003 Camry?


I’ll wait.

Toyotas can go 100mph too. It’s not the car or the privilege. It’s the driver. Lots of idiot teens drive fast. Rich and poor.

I own a 540i and a Avalon (which is sorta like a Camry) and the BMW makes the Avalon look like it’s standing still.

+1 like a reckless teen driver flooring a 10yo Camry to try to make it through a yellow light is going to make it to…40mph. Not 80+

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:All of the graduated licensing elements are based upon scientific evidence.

This shows how they could be strengthened (ie, how many lives would be saved if they were).

https://www.iihs.org/topics/teenagers/gdl-calculator

Case in point: having kids with provisional licenses stop driving by 8 instead of midnight.
Remember —you can hold your kids to the rules that SHOULD be in place (such as delaying driving).

Europeans do not let 14 and 15 year olds drive—it is not safe. Most wait until 18. US Parents need to step up a little longer, to keep their kids alive.

My recently turned 17-year old son we have delayed. He isn’t driving yet. Older brother we really didn’t let drive much alone until Senior year and he is very cautious, responsible and had been driving with us in the car since sophomore year. I always thought 16 was too young for boys, even responsible ones.

Very wise of you.

It is not easy. I made my daughter wait until 17 before even starting to learn. I tried to get other parents to go along with this safer timeline.

People, what could possibly matter more? It is the leading cause of death for young people.

I wanted my kids to have as much experience with me and with familiar roads before they went to college.

That may seem intuitive…but it is based upon emotion, not data.

I sent my kid to a school where a car was not needed.

It is called reducing exposure (to the hazard).

[Anonymous]

Has the driver been charged yet? Is he still a minor?

[Anonymous]

If driver is a minor, can the parents be charged for allowing their kid to drive more people than allowed by state law?