FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a Westfield parent who was at the meeting. I was hoping to speak with someone from FCPS or the School Board after the meeting.

So many people were complaining about being moved to our school. I was not sure how to stand up and say people should be moved whether they like it or not.

Frankly I was disgusted with Seema continualy "empathizing" with those people like being moved to Westfield is like a death in the family. Her attitude was all wrong. No one up there said one positive thing about Westfield.

Not to be rude, but why didn't you speak in public?

NP- It take a very confident public speaker to stand up and tell a bunch of people to stop complaining about being moved to your kids school.

Not really, you can have intense emotions as well.

The truth of the matter is that NO ONE should have to be going to a meeting and begging FCPS to do their job.

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I have no kids in school currently, but I have followed boundary issues for a long time. My neighborhood as gone through all the western Fairfax boundary issues for decades.

I do not recall ANY study being done in this manner.
I think there were initial large meetings for the community that explained what the process would be before the study began.
Then, the meetings held with SB members were more on an individual school basis. I do know our neighborhood had meetings with SB members and that "opposing" neighborhoods also had meetings to explain their views.
I don't ever recall demeaning another school based on property values and elitism.
The SB members NEVER made a promise to us. (In one of these studies, our SB member supported a different neighborhood to stay put over ours. However, we had a strong argument based on objective reasons for our school to stay over the other neighborhood. )

I have always been a proponent for proximity/community over status.

It is the SB member's job to look out for all their constituents. It is clear that Dixit does not understand that.

I agree. This is the most insane and corrupt redistricting process I have ever seen. The "winners" are the ones who got promises "first", or have access to insider information, or donated to SB members re-elections? Rounds and rounds and rounds of "drafty drafts"? Maps being published and then hastily pulled down and edited on Reid's whims? No normal organization would go about things in this manner.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The entire Walney area should be moved to Westfield. Brookfield should be a 50% split feeder. The Chantilly Mews kids should be moved back to CHS. The rest of Bull Run should be moved to Westfield. That would give Westfield around 2300-2400 students.

What would that do to Centreville? If people are worried about what Westfield can offer with 2100 kids they should ask what Centreville could offer with 1800 kids.

The bigger problem here is that they should have taken a harder look at the Oakton boundaries. When you open Skyview but leave Oakton with over 2700 kids you are ensuring some other schools serving western Fairfax are going to shrink drastically.

Instead they followed their typical approach of saying they want to move as few kids as possible. But when their starting point is moving over 1000 kids out of Westfield to populate Skyview, that approach no longer makes sense.

These people screw everything up, over and over again. And they pay themselves on the back for doing it.

There is no parallel here. Whether or not kids from the Oakton boundary were moved to Skyview or not has nothing to do with the movement of students out of Westfield.

You are missing the point completely and likely intentionally.

We understand. You got what you wanted at Oakton, at least for now. And it helps ensure that some other school emerges from this far weaker.

I am NOT an Oakton parent. I think Oakton should be at Skyview. However, this has nothing to do with backfilling Westfield. Except for the fact that they set the tone with the help of staff and SB. I have NEVER seen them so openly supported the loudest voices (except, of course, for Great Falls.)

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Anonymous wrote:The entire Walney area should be moved to Westfield. Brookfield should be a 50% split feeder. The Chantilly Mews kids should be moved back to CHS. The rest of Bull Run should be moved to Westfield. That would give Westfield around 2300-2400 students.

What would that do to Centreville? If people are worried about what Westfield can offer with 2100 kids they should ask what Centreville could offer with 1800 kids.

The bigger problem here is that they should have taken a harder look at the Oakton boundaries. When you open Skyview but leave Oakton with over 2700 kids you are ensuring some other schools serving western Fairfax are going to shrink drastically.

Instead they followed their typical approach of saying they want to move as few kids as possible. But when their starting point is moving over 1000 kids out of Westfield to populate Skyview, that approach no longer makes sense.

These people screw everything up, over and over again. And they pay themselves on the back for doing it.

Centreville is already a very small school. I think they have around 2100 students right now, and that's overcrowded. I don't think losing half of Bull Run would make much difference.

It would actually bring them into FCPS's "ideal capacity" zone. The capacity is only 1943 students.

And yet there was and perhaps still is a plan to expand Centreville to 3000.

If you think it’s the natural order of things to leave CVHS with 1943 or fewer seats you have to ask why we bothered to expand Oakton so much, or why it would be a problem for Westfield to have 2150 kids but OK for Centreville to have hundreds fewer.

People here are so blatantly transparent in advocating for changes that benefit their schools to the detriment of others.

Centreville was built for less than 2000 students. There is no need to expand it to 3000 with open seats all over the Western part of the county. Its a huge waste of money. Where are you gong to get 1000 more students to fill up that building?

Westfield was built for 2800-3000 students.

If you don't see the difference between pulling out 800+ students (and the associated teachers, and programming) from an existing school and keeping a school where its designed for and been at for years, I don't really know how to explain it to you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The entire Walney area should be moved to Westfield. Brookfield should be a 50% split feeder. The Chantilly Mews kids should be moved back to CHS. The rest of Bull Run should be moved to Westfield. That would give Westfield around 2300-2400 students.

What would that do to Centreville? If people are worried about what Westfield can offer with 2100 kids they should ask what Centreville could offer with 1800 kids.

The bigger problem here is that they should have taken a harder look at the Oakton boundaries. When you open Skyview but leave Oakton with over 2700 kids you are ensuring some other schools serving western Fairfax are going to shrink drastically.

Instead they followed their typical approach of saying they want to move as few kids as possible. But when their starting point is moving over 1000 kids out of Westfield to populate Skyview, that approach no longer makes sense.

These people screw everything up, over and over again. And they pay themselves on the back for doing it.

There is no parallel here. Whether or not kids from the Oakton boundary were moved to Skyview or not has nothing to do with the movement of students out of Westfield.

If they were looking at this more sensibly they’d be moving some Oakton kids to Chantilly and moving some Chantilly kids to Westfield, so that Westfield ends up with closer to 2300 kids. We wouldn’t simply be gutting Westfield or proposing an alternative to shore up Westfield that guts Centreville.

It’s all fine and dandy for them to boast about moving as few kids as possible, but when they are moving over 1000 out of Westfield it’s a game changer for that school and they should have been thinking about a broader approach that wouldn’t end up turning Westfield into the next Lewis. Instead we’re leaving Oakton super-sized and trashing Westfield.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The entire Walney area should be moved to Westfield. Brookfield should be a 50% split feeder. The Chantilly Mews kids should be moved back to CHS. The rest of Bull Run should be moved to Westfield. That would give Westfield around 2300-2400 students.

What would that do to Centreville? If people are worried about what Westfield can offer with 2100 kids they should ask what Centreville could offer with 1800 kids.

The bigger problem here is that they should have taken a harder look at the Oakton boundaries. When you open Skyview but leave Oakton with over 2700 kids you are ensuring some other schools serving western Fairfax are going to shrink drastically.

Instead they followed their typical approach of saying they want to move as few kids as possible. But when their starting point is moving over 1000 kids out of Westfield to populate Skyview, that approach no longer makes sense.

These people screw everything up, over and over again. And they pay themselves on the back for doing it.

Centreville is already a very small school. I think they have around 2100 students right now, and that's overcrowded. I don't think losing half of Bull Run would make much difference.

It would actually bring them into FCPS's "ideal capacity" zone. The capacity is only 1943 students.

And yet there was and perhaps still is a plan to expand Centreville to 3000.

If you think it’s the natural order of things to leave CVHS with 1943 or fewer seats you have to ask why we bothered to expand Oakton so much, or why it would be a problem for Westfield to have 2150 kids but OK for Centreville to have hundreds fewer.

People here are so blatantly transparent in advocating for changes that benefit their schools to the detriment of others.

The current scenario brings Westfield down from 2750 to 2083 students with a program capacity of 2800 and a building capacity of over 3000.
Centreville currently has 2181 and the scenario brings it down to 2118 with a program capacity of 1943.

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As a former teacher, I agree that there are pluses and minuses for higher SES.
While I never taught in a high SES school, I did teach some kids who were higher SES. Most of the parents were just fine, but there are SOME who think their kid is the smartest, brightest, and fastest and deserve extra special attention.

The RIO people reflect that elitist attitude. Because, honestly, Skyview will be able to meet the needs of their kids just fine. It will be a well-balanced and diverse school. But, they are far more concerned about "status."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire Walney area should be moved to Westfield. Brookfield should be a 50% split feeder. The Chantilly Mews kids should be moved back to CHS. The rest of Bull Run should be moved to Westfield. That would give Westfield around 2300-2400 students.

What would that do to Centreville? If people are worried about what Westfield can offer with 2100 kids they should ask what Centreville could offer with 1800 kids.

The bigger problem here is that they should have taken a harder look at the Oakton boundaries. When you open Skyview but leave Oakton with over 2700 kids you are ensuring some other schools serving western Fairfax are going to shrink drastically.

Instead they followed their typical approach of saying they want to move as few kids as possible. But when their starting point is moving over 1000 kids out of Westfield to populate Skyview, that approach no longer makes sense.

These people screw everything up, over and over again. And they pay themselves on the back for doing it.

Centreville is already a very small school. I think they have around 2100 students right now, and that's overcrowded. I don't think losing half of Bull Run would make much difference.

It would actually bring them into FCPS's "ideal capacity" zone. The capacity is only 1943 students.

And yet there was and perhaps still is a plan to expand Centreville to 3000.

If you think it’s the natural order of things to leave CVHS with 1943 or fewer seats you have to ask why we bothered to expand Oakton so much, or why it would be a problem for Westfield to have 2150 kids but OK for Centreville to have hundreds fewer.

People here are so blatantly transparent in advocating for changes that benefit their schools to the detriment of others.

The school was built for 1943 students. I don't see why you are so upset at leaving the school at 1943 students. Its literally the correct size for the building.

[Anonymous]

Where are the thousand students for Centreville's supposed expansion going to come from if they can't find students to keep Westfield within FCPS's own margins for building usage?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire Walney area should be moved to Westfield. Brookfield should be a 50% split feeder. The Chantilly Mews kids should be moved back to CHS. The rest of Bull Run should be moved to Westfield. That would give Westfield around 2300-2400 students.

What would that do to Centreville? If people are worried about what Westfield can offer with 2100 kids they should ask what Centreville could offer with 1800 kids.

The bigger problem here is that they should have taken a harder look at the Oakton boundaries. When you open Skyview but leave Oakton with over 2700 kids you are ensuring some other schools serving western Fairfax are going to shrink drastically.

Instead they followed their typical approach of saying they want to move as few kids as possible. But when their starting point is moving over 1000 kids out of Westfield to populate Skyview, that approach no longer makes sense.

These people screw everything up, over and over again. And they pay themselves on the back for doing it.

Centreville is already a very small school. I think they have around 2100 students right now, and that's overcrowded. I don't think losing half of Bull Run would make much difference.

It would actually bring them into FCPS's "ideal capacity" zone. The capacity is only 1943 students.

And yet there was and perhaps still is a plan to expand Centreville to 3000.

If you think it’s the natural order of things to leave CVHS with 1943 or fewer seats you have to ask why we bothered to expand Oakton so much, or why it would be a problem for Westfield to have 2150 kids but OK for Centreville to have hundreds fewer.

People here are so blatantly transparent in advocating for changes that benefit their schools to the detriment of others.

Centreville was built for less than 2000 students. There is no need to expand it to 3000 with open seats all over the Western part of the county. Its a huge waste of money. Where are you gong to get 1000 more students to fill up that building?

Westfield was built for 2800-3000 students.

If you don't see the difference between pulling out 800+ students (and the associated teachers, and programming) from an existing school and keeping a school where its designed for and been at for years, I don't really know how to explain it to you.

I would scale back the scope of the Centreville expansion significantly but not entirely.

If you don’t see the inconsistency between claiming Westfield will flounder if it’s down to 2100 kids and asserting Centreville will be fine with 1800 or 1900 kids just because it currently has a shitty, under-sized facility, I don’t know how to explain it to you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where are the thousand students for Centreville's supposed expansion going to come from if they can't find students to keep Westfield within FCPS's own margins for building usage?

Seems to me that the neighborhood behind Centreville that is sent to Fairfax would be perfect for Centreville.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire Walney area should be moved to Westfield. Brookfield should be a 50% split feeder. The Chantilly Mews kids should be moved back to CHS. The rest of Bull Run should be moved to Westfield. That would give Westfield around 2300-2400 students.

What would that do to Centreville? If people are worried about what Westfield can offer with 2100 kids they should ask what Centreville could offer with 1800 kids.

The bigger problem here is that they should have taken a harder look at the Oakton boundaries. When you open Skyview but leave Oakton with over 2700 kids you are ensuring some other schools serving western Fairfax are going to shrink drastically.

Instead they followed their typical approach of saying they want to move as few kids as possible. But when their starting point is moving over 1000 kids out of Westfield to populate Skyview, that approach no longer makes sense.

These people screw everything up, over and over again. And they pay themselves on the back for doing it.

Centreville is already a very small school. I think they have around 2100 students right now, and that's overcrowded. I don't think losing half of Bull Run would make much difference.

It would actually bring them into FCPS's "ideal capacity" zone. The capacity is only 1943 students.

And yet there was and perhaps still is a plan to expand Centreville to 3000.

If you think it’s the natural order of things to leave CVHS with 1943 or fewer seats you have to ask why we bothered to expand Oakton so much, or why it would be a problem for Westfield to have 2150 kids but OK for Centreville to have hundreds fewer.

People here are so blatantly transparent in advocating for changes that benefit their schools to the detriment of others.

Centreville was built for less than 2000 students. There is no need to expand it to 3000 with open seats all over the Western part of the county. Its a huge waste of money. Where are you gong to get 1000 more students to fill up that building?

Westfield was built for 2800-3000 students.

If you don't see the difference between pulling out 800+ students (and the associated teachers, and programming) from an existing school and keeping a school where its designed for and been at for years, I don't really know how to explain it to you.

I would scale back the scope of the Centreville expansion significantly but not entirely.

If you don’t see the inconsistency between claiming Westfield will flounder if it’s down to 2100 kids and asserting Centreville will be fine with 1800 or 1900 kids just because it currently has a shitty, under-sized facility, I don’t know how to explain it to you.

The school has the correct number of students for the building size
Expanding makes no financial sense when there are going to be 800 open seats right next door. Who is going to fill up all those seats?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the thousand students for Centreville's supposed expansion going to come from if they can't find students to keep Westfield within FCPS's own margins for building usage?

Seems to me that the neighborhood behind Centreville that is sent to Fairfax would be perfect for Centreville.

Then you have open seats to fill at Fairfax HS.
The most financially prudent decision is not to expand Centreville at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire Walney area should be moved to Westfield. Brookfield should be a 50% split feeder. The Chantilly Mews kids should be moved back to CHS. The rest of Bull Run should be moved to Westfield. That would give Westfield around 2300-2400 students.

What would that do to Centreville? If people are worried about what Westfield can offer with 2100 kids they should ask what Centreville could offer with 1800 kids.

The bigger problem here is that they should have taken a harder look at the Oakton boundaries. When you open Skyview but leave Oakton with over 2700 kids you are ensuring some other schools serving western Fairfax are going to shrink drastically.

Instead they followed their typical approach of saying they want to move as few kids as possible. But when their starting point is moving over 1000 kids out of Westfield to populate Skyview, that approach no longer makes sense.

These people screw everything up, over and over again. And they pay themselves on the back for doing it.

Centreville is already a very small school. I think they have around 2100 students right now, and that's overcrowded. I don't think losing half of Bull Run would make much difference.

It would actually bring them into FCPS's "ideal capacity" zone. The capacity is only 1943 students.

And yet there was and perhaps still is a plan to expand Centreville to 3000.

If you think it’s the natural order of things to leave CVHS with 1943 or fewer seats you have to ask why we bothered to expand Oakton so much, or why it would be a problem for Westfield to have 2150 kids but OK for Centreville to have hundreds fewer.

People here are so blatantly transparent in advocating for changes that benefit their schools to the detriment of others.

The current scenario brings Westfield down from 2750 to 2083 students with a program capacity of 2800 and a building capacity of over 3000.
Centreville currently has 2181 and the scenario brings it down to 2118 with a program capacity of 1943.

Obsessing over current building and program capacities is the opposite of smart or proactive thinking, when those capacities are largely a product of ad hoc decisions made in the past and the timing of when a school came up in a renovation queue developed almost 20 years ago.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the thousand students for Centreville's supposed expansion going to come from if they can't find students to keep Westfield within FCPS's own margins for building usage?

Seems to me that the neighborhood behind Centreville that is sent to Fairfax would be perfect for Centreville.

Yes, I'm sure Seema would be happy to add that wealthy neighborhood to their school boundary. Maybe she can bus their few remaining low income kids over to Westfield to make space.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire Walney area should be moved to Westfield. Brookfield should be a 50% split feeder. The Chantilly Mews kids should be moved back to CHS. The rest of Bull Run should be moved to Westfield. That would give Westfield around 2300-2400 students.

What would that do to Centreville? If people are worried about what Westfield can offer with 2100 kids they should ask what Centreville could offer with 1800 kids.

The bigger problem here is that they should have taken a harder look at the Oakton boundaries. When you open Skyview but leave Oakton with over 2700 kids you are ensuring some other schools serving western Fairfax are going to shrink drastically.

Instead they followed their typical approach of saying they want to move as few kids as possible. But when their starting point is moving over 1000 kids out of Westfield to populate Skyview, that approach no longer makes sense.

These people screw everything up, over and over again. And they pay themselves on the back for doing it.

There is no parallel here. Whether or not kids from the Oakton boundary were moved to Skyview or not has nothing to do with the movement of students out of Westfield.

If they were looking at this more sensibly they’d be moving some Oakton kids to Chantilly and moving some Chantilly kids to Westfield, so that Westfield ends up with closer to 2300 kids. We wouldn’t simply be gutting Westfield or proposing an alternative to shore up Westfield that guts Centreville.

It’s all fine and dandy for them to boast about moving as few kids as possible, but when they are moving over 1000 out of Westfield it’s a game changer for that school and they should have been thinking about a broader approach that wouldn’t end up turning Westfield into the next Lewis. Instead we’re leaving Oakton super-sized and trashing Westfield.

No. They don't need Oakton kids at Chantilly. They just need to move Walney area to Westfield. They are exactly halfway between Westfield and Chantilly high schools. Some already go to Cub Run. Done. They should leave Chantilly Mews area at Chantilly.

They should also move more of Bull Run to Westfield.