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Anonymous wrote:Their story about South Lakes is that 7000 housing "units" are being proposed. Who knows how many of those are actually going to be built and most of those will not be the type of housing that high schoolers live in, but that's their cover story for SLHS.

SLHS is at a reasonable capacity level after the move. There has been a lot of new housing in the area, to include apartments and townhouses and single family homes. It also shares borders with Oakton and can take students from Oakton if needed. I know that there are Crossfield families that hate hearing this, but Crossfield is likely to be moved to SLHS in a few years when Oakton is well over capacity.

SLHS has a great community and is a good school. It's biggest downside is IB but the School Board doesn't want to hear that. They could easily set up an IB academy or two in the county and bus kids who want IB to those schools and probably have a pretty robust IB program. The way they run IB right now, they can't even get the equivalent of one HS graduating class out of all the IB Diplomas across all the IB schools. I am not counting the specialized IB certificates that they have brought in to make the IB numbers look better but the actual IB diplomas.

SLHS share borders with 5 other pyramids

There are ES at all of those schools that could be moved to SLHS but the main one that I hear about is Oakton. Crossfield is at Oakton and already has students at SLHS so it makes sense that those kids would shift to SLHS when Oakton is deemed too over crowded. Madison and Marshall are close enough that I can see them swapping schools, I know that some just moved between the two but it seems like that caused some controversy. Langley is most likely to send kids to Herndon if it becomes too overcrowded. Herndon is not going to have to worry about getting to capacity any time soon and already sends a bunch of kids to SLHS for IB.

If Crossfield kids zoned to Oakton get moved to Franklin right now and then South Lakes in the future, where would they attend Middle School? Make Franklin into a three way split?

Based on what they are trying to do in this rezoning, I would imagine they would get moved to Hughes to avoid a split feeder.

Yes, move an ES to two different middle schools in a five-year period seems likely...

Doesn't Crossfield already have some kids at Hughes? Moving the rest there would eliminate another split feeder.

There is no room to do so, and that area of Crossfield is in Reston.

Just eliminate AAP center. There will be room.

You make a good point. Here's my prediction:

In 4-5 years (just in time for another comprehensive boundary review) AAP centers will be at all middle schools, meaning (1) Hughes will have capacity because the Herndon kids will be back at Herndon and (2) Franklin will be overcapacity because the Navy and Waples kids will return from Carson. Guess what the perfect school to move out of Franklin into Hughes-South Lakes will be? Crossfield!

At the same time, Carson will be well under capacity and overcapacity elementary schools like Floris, McNair, and Coates will be in the perfect position to move their 6th graders into a 6-8 middle school at Carson.

Carson will not be underserved. There will be plenty of kids there. Five elementary schools.

That's how many are there now PLUS AAP from I think three other schools. When those AAP kids go back to their base middle schools, Carson will in fact be under capacity.

The additional AAP is from Oak Hill, Lees Corner, and Navy/Waples Mill. So the current AAP includes Crossfield which is already there. That will be switched out with Oak Hill. So, the only current AAP not assigned in bounds. to Carson that will no longer be there is Lee's Corner and Navy/Waples Mill. Carson will be fine and not underserved.
Crossfield is switching with Oak Hill.

I don't know why you keep arguing with me and why you keep using the word "underserved" which does not mean the same thing as "under capacity." If you take a look at the slides from the presentation about middle school AAP, you can see the actual capacity percentages that prove my point.

The problem is not whether Carson will be under capacity. The problem is that Franklin doesn't have capacity for all the aap kids for its feeder schools. Lees corner, waples mill, crossfield and navy are known for yielding a lot of aap kids.

You need to scroll up and read, friend. That is LITERALLY what this thread is about. Comprehension and context. Both are so helpful.

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Sounds like long term Thoreau will need to shed kids and Oakton kids can go back to Jackson.

If Oakton is going to have a gazillion kids they really shouldn't complain if kids end up coming from Jackson, Franklin, and yet another middle school, whether it's Carson or Rocky Run.

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Anonymous wrote:Their story about South Lakes is that 7000 housing "units" are being proposed. Who knows how many of those are actually going to be built and most of those will not be the type of housing that high schoolers live in, but that's their cover story for SLHS.

SLHS is at a reasonable capacity level after the move. There has been a lot of new housing in the area, to include apartments and townhouses and single family homes. It also shares borders with Oakton and can take students from Oakton if needed. I know that there are Crossfield families that hate hearing this, but Crossfield is likely to be moved to SLHS in a few years when Oakton is well over capacity.

SLHS has a great community and is a good school. It's biggest downside is IB but the School Board doesn't want to hear that. They could easily set up an IB academy or two in the county and bus kids who want IB to those schools and probably have a pretty robust IB program. The way they run IB right now, they can't even get the equivalent of one HS graduating class out of all the IB Diplomas across all the IB schools. I am not counting the specialized IB certificates that they have brought in to make the IB numbers look better but the actual IB diplomas.

SLHS share borders with 5 other pyramids

There are ES at all of those schools that could be moved to SLHS but the main one that I hear about is Oakton. Crossfield is at Oakton and already has students at SLHS so it makes sense that those kids would shift to SLHS when Oakton is deemed too over crowded. Madison and Marshall are close enough that I can see them swapping schools, I know that some just moved between the two but it seems like that caused some controversy. Langley is most likely to send kids to Herndon if it becomes too overcrowded. Herndon is not going to have to worry about getting to capacity any time soon and already sends a bunch of kids to SLHS for IB.

If Crossfield kids zoned to Oakton get moved to Franklin right now and then South Lakes in the future, where would they attend Middle School? Make Franklin into a three way split?

Based on what they are trying to do in this rezoning, I would imagine they would get moved to Hughes to avoid a split feeder.

Yes, move an ES to two different middle schools in a five-year period seems likely...

Doesn't Crossfield already have some kids at Hughes? Moving the rest there would eliminate another split feeder.

There is no room to do so, and that area of Crossfield is in Reston.

Just eliminate AAP center. There will be room.

You make a good point. Here's my prediction:

In 4-5 years (just in time for another comprehensive boundary review) AAP centers will be at all middle schools, meaning (1) Hughes will have capacity because the Herndon kids will be back at Herndon and (2) Franklin will be overcapacity because the Navy and Waples kids will return from Carson. Guess what the perfect school to move out of Franklin into Hughes-South Lakes will be? Crossfield!

At the same time, Carson will be well under capacity and overcapacity elementary schools like Floris, McNair, and Coates will be in the perfect position to move their 6th graders into a 6-8 middle school at Carson.

Carson will not be underserved. There will be plenty of kids there. Five elementary schools.

That's how many are there now PLUS AAP from I think three other schools. When those AAP kids go back to their base middle schools, Carson will in fact be under capacity.

The additional AAP is from Oak Hill, Lees Corner, and Navy/Waples Mill. So the current AAP includes Crossfield which is already there. That will be switched out with Oak Hill. So, the only current AAP not assigned in bounds. to Carson that will no longer be there is Lee's Corner and Navy/Waples Mill. Carson will be fine and not underserved.
Crossfield is switching with Oak Hill.

I don't know why you keep arguing with me and why you keep using the word "underserved" which does not mean the same thing as "under capacity." If you take a look at the slides from the presentation about middle school AAP, you can see the actual capacity percentages that prove my point.

The problem is not whether Carson will be under capacity. The problem is that Franklin doesn't have capacity for all the aap kids for its feeder schools. Lees corner, waples mill, crossfield and navy are known for yielding a lot of aap kids.

You need to scroll up and read, friend. That is LITERALLY what this thread is about. Comprehension and context. Both are so helpful.

???Franklin will have Lee's Corner, Crossfield, Navy, and Waples Mill. There will be plenty of room. The AAP kids will be there along with the other kids from their schools. This is not that hard.
It will no longer have the kids from Cub Run.

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Anonymous wrote:Their story about South Lakes is that 7000 housing "units" are being proposed. Who knows how many of those are actually going to be built and most of those will not be the type of housing that high schoolers live in, but that's their cover story for SLHS.

SLHS is at a reasonable capacity level after the move. There has been a lot of new housing in the area, to include apartments and townhouses and single family homes. It also shares borders with Oakton and can take students from Oakton if needed. I know that there are Crossfield families that hate hearing this, but Crossfield is likely to be moved to SLHS in a few years when Oakton is well over capacity.

SLHS has a great community and is a good school. It's biggest downside is IB but the School Board doesn't want to hear that. They could easily set up an IB academy or two in the county and bus kids who want IB to those schools and probably have a pretty robust IB program. The way they run IB right now, they can't even get the equivalent of one HS graduating class out of all the IB Diplomas across all the IB schools. I am not counting the specialized IB certificates that they have brought in to make the IB numbers look better but the actual IB diplomas.

SLHS share borders with 5 other pyramids

There are ES at all of those schools that could be moved to SLHS but the main one that I hear about is Oakton. Crossfield is at Oakton and already has students at SLHS so it makes sense that those kids would shift to SLHS when Oakton is deemed too over crowded. Madison and Marshall are close enough that I can see them swapping schools, I know that some just moved between the two but it seems like that caused some controversy. Langley is most likely to send kids to Herndon if it becomes too overcrowded. Herndon is not going to have to worry about getting to capacity any time soon and already sends a bunch of kids to SLHS for IB.

If Crossfield kids zoned to Oakton get moved to Franklin right now and then South Lakes in the future, where would they attend Middle School? Make Franklin into a three way split?

Based on what they are trying to do in this rezoning, I would imagine they would get moved to Hughes to avoid a split feeder.

Yes, move an ES to two different middle schools in a five-year period seems likely...

Doesn't Crossfield already have some kids at Hughes? Moving the rest there would eliminate another split feeder.

There is no room to do so, and that area of Crossfield is in Reston.

Just eliminate AAP center. There will be room.

You make a good point. Here's my prediction:

In 4-5 years (just in time for another comprehensive boundary review) AAP centers will be at all middle schools, meaning (1) Hughes will have capacity because the Herndon kids will be back at Herndon and (2) Franklin will be overcapacity because the Navy and Waples kids will return from Carson. Guess what the perfect school to move out of Franklin into Hughes-South Lakes will be? Crossfield!

At the same time, Carson will be well under capacity and overcapacity elementary schools like Floris, McNair, and Coates will be in the perfect position to move their 6th graders into a 6-8 middle school at Carson.

Carson will not be underserved. There will be plenty of kids there. Five elementary schools.

That's how many are there now PLUS AAP from I think three other schools. When those AAP kids go back to their base middle schools, Carson will in fact be under capacity.

This area is growing which is why a new school was needed. Carson will not be under capacity.

Carson is a middle school, Skyview is a high school. Carson's capacity is larger than Skyview's will be. Why is this so challenging from you? Are you some random person who doesn't even live in western Fairfax County? You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

You need to take a break from these threads for your own peace.

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Anonymous wrote:Their story about South Lakes is that 7000 housing "units" are being proposed. Who knows how many of those are actually going to be built and most of those will not be the type of housing that high schoolers live in, but that's their cover story for SLHS.

SLHS is at a reasonable capacity level after the move. There has been a lot of new housing in the area, to include apartments and townhouses and single family homes. It also shares borders with Oakton and can take students from Oakton if needed. I know that there are Crossfield families that hate hearing this, but Crossfield is likely to be moved to SLHS in a few years when Oakton is well over capacity.

SLHS has a great community and is a good school. It's biggest downside is IB but the School Board doesn't want to hear that. They could easily set up an IB academy or two in the county and bus kids who want IB to those schools and probably have a pretty robust IB program. The way they run IB right now, they can't even get the equivalent of one HS graduating class out of all the IB Diplomas across all the IB schools. I am not counting the specialized IB certificates that they have brought in to make the IB numbers look better but the actual IB diplomas.

SLHS share borders with 5 other pyramids

There are ES at all of those schools that could be moved to SLHS but the main one that I hear about is Oakton. Crossfield is at Oakton and already has students at SLHS so it makes sense that those kids would shift to SLHS when Oakton is deemed too over crowded. Madison and Marshall are close enough that I can see them swapping schools, I know that some just moved between the two but it seems like that caused some controversy. Langley is most likely to send kids to Herndon if it becomes too overcrowded. Herndon is not going to have to worry about getting to capacity any time soon and already sends a bunch of kids to SLHS for IB.

If Crossfield kids zoned to Oakton get moved to Franklin right now and then South Lakes in the future, where would they attend Middle School? Make Franklin into a three way split?

Based on what they are trying to do in this rezoning, I would imagine they would get moved to Hughes to avoid a split feeder.

Yes, move an ES to two different middle schools in a five-year period seems likely...

Doesn't Crossfield already have some kids at Hughes? Moving the rest there would eliminate another split feeder.

There is no room to do so, and that area of Crossfield is in Reston.

Just eliminate AAP center. There will be room.

You make a good point. Here's my prediction:

In 4-5 years (just in time for another comprehensive boundary review) AAP centers will be at all middle schools, meaning (1) Hughes will have capacity because the Herndon kids will be back at Herndon and (2) Franklin will be overcapacity because the Navy and Waples kids will return from Carson. Guess what the perfect school to move out of Franklin into Hughes-South Lakes will be? Crossfield!

At the same time, Carson will be well under capacity and overcapacity elementary schools like Floris, McNair, and Coates will be in the perfect position to move their 6th graders into a 6-8 middle school at Carson.

Carson will not be underserved. There will be plenty of kids there. Five elementary schools.

That's how many are there now PLUS AAP from I think three other schools. When those AAP kids go back to their base middle schools, Carson will in fact be under capacity.

The additional AAP is from Oak Hill, Lees Corner, and Navy/Waples Mill. So the current AAP includes Crossfield which is already there. That will be switched out with Oak Hill. So, the only current AAP not assigned in bounds. to Carson that will no longer be there is Lee's Corner and Navy/Waples Mill. Carson will be fine and not underserved.
Crossfield is switching with Oak Hill.

I don't know why you keep arguing with me and why you keep using the word "underserved" which does not mean the same thing as "under capacity." If you take a look at the slides from the presentation about middle school AAP, you can see the actual capacity percentages that prove my point.

The problem is not whether Carson will be under capacity. The problem is that Franklin doesn't have capacity for all the aap kids for its feeder schools. Lees corner, waples mill, crossfield and navy are known for yielding a lot of aap kids.

You need to scroll up and read, friend. That is LITERALLY what this thread is about. Comprehension and context. Both are so helpful.

???Franklin will have Lee's Corner, Crossfield, Navy, and Waples Mill. There will be plenty of room. The AAP kids will be there along with the other kids from their schools. This is not that hard.
It will no longer have the kids from Cub Run.

If Franklin can have room to house all these aap kids, that will be great. I have always thought it's a waste of money to pick up all these aap kids to Carson when there's aap program in Franklin.

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Anonymous wrote:Their story about South Lakes is that 7000 housing "units" are being proposed. Who knows how many of those are actually going to be built and most of those will not be the type of housing that high schoolers live in, but that's their cover story for SLHS.

SLHS is at a reasonable capacity level after the move. There has been a lot of new housing in the area, to include apartments and townhouses and single family homes. It also shares borders with Oakton and can take students from Oakton if needed. I know that there are Crossfield families that hate hearing this, but Crossfield is likely to be moved to SLHS in a few years when Oakton is well over capacity.

SLHS has a great community and is a good school. It's biggest downside is IB but the School Board doesn't want to hear that. They could easily set up an IB academy or two in the county and bus kids who want IB to those schools and probably have a pretty robust IB program. The way they run IB right now, they can't even get the equivalent of one HS graduating class out of all the IB Diplomas across all the IB schools. I am not counting the specialized IB certificates that they have brought in to make the IB numbers look better but the actual IB diplomas.

SLHS share borders with 5 other pyramids

I don't think silverline es will be needed any time soon. fox mill and oak hill all have excess capacity.

There are ES at all of those schools that could be moved to SLHS but the main one that I hear about is Oakton. Crossfield is at Oakton and already has students at SLHS so it makes sense that those kids would shift to SLHS when Oakton is deemed too over crowded. Madison and Marshall are close enough that I can see them swapping schools, I know that some just moved between the two but it seems like that caused some controversy. Langley is most likely to send kids to Herndon if it becomes too overcrowded. Herndon is not going to have to worry about getting to capacity any time soon and already sends a bunch of kids to SLHS for IB.

If Crossfield kids zoned to Oakton get moved to Franklin right now and then South Lakes in the future, where would they attend Middle School? Make Franklin into a three way split?

Based on what they are trying to do in this rezoning, I would imagine they would get moved to Hughes to avoid a split feeder.

Yes, move an ES to two different middle schools in a five-year period seems likely...

Doesn't Crossfield already have some kids at Hughes? Moving the rest there would eliminate another split feeder.

There is no room to do so, and that area of Crossfield is in Reston.

Just eliminate AAP center. There will be room.

You make a good point. Here's my prediction:

In 4-5 years (just in time for another comprehensive boundary review) AAP centers will be at all middle schools, meaning (1) Hughes will have capacity because the Herndon kids will be back at Herndon and (2) Franklin will be overcapacity because the Navy and Waples kids will return from Carson. Guess what the perfect school to move out of Franklin into Hughes-South Lakes will be? Crossfield!

At the same time, Carson will be well under capacity and overcapacity elementary schools like Floris, McNair, and Coates will be in the perfect position to move their 6th graders into a 6-8 middle school at Carson.

Nope to 6-8. The Silver Line ES will address the Floris etc over capacity.

Fox Mill has capacity and can take some Floris kids. That's what the consultants originally proposed.

Fox Mill can take some Floris kids, there are kids in neighborhoods that attend Floris while their friends are at Fox Mill. I think the school is at 85% utilization.

I suspect the Sliver Line ES will pull kids from Coates and all of the new construction in that area, and also pull back in the Floris kids that were just moved to Coates for the upcoming year and put Floris over capacity.

It’s being built in the “One Sunrise Valley” development which is right across from the townhomes that are being moved to Floris. It’ll definitely relieve all the schools surrounding it. Coates and McNair currently have space to take on those kids in the meantime. I doubt they’ll end up shifting any of the Floris boundaries because of this but who knows.

The townhouses they just moved from Coates to Floris are right across Frying Pan from the site. (Additional evidence of how uncoordinated the redistricting was with FCPS's actual capital planning processes.)

You people are ridiculous. It's like you've never seen new development before and think school will get overcrowded and boundaries will need to be adjusted every time there's some new construction.

Yes, new construction can yield students. But there could be a host of existing neighborhoods that are sending fewer kids to a school.

Obviously that didn't happen at Floris, which saw a big increase in recent years. But there are plenty of other situations where there's new construction in one part of a school's catchment area and the enrollment has nevertheless declined.

You misunderstood. FCPS CIP has $84M in FY27-29 for the Silver Line ES. The ES site is literally across the street from the townhouses they're in the process of moving from Coates to Floris. The townhouses have no reasonable physical connection to any of the rest of Floris. Why would they ever move those townhouses to Floris now when they're obvious candidates for the Silver Line ES?

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Anonymous wrote:Their story about South Lakes is that 7000 housing "units" are being proposed. Who knows how many of those are actually going to be built and most of those will not be the type of housing that high schoolers live in, but that's their cover story for SLHS.

SLHS is at a reasonable capacity level after the move. There has been a lot of new housing in the area, to include apartments and townhouses and single family homes. It also shares borders with Oakton and can take students from Oakton if needed. I know that there are Crossfield families that hate hearing this, but Crossfield is likely to be moved to SLHS in a few years when Oakton is well over capacity.

SLHS has a great community and is a good school. It's biggest downside is IB but the School Board doesn't want to hear that. They could easily set up an IB academy or two in the county and bus kids who want IB to those schools and probably have a pretty robust IB program. The way they run IB right now, they can't even get the equivalent of one HS graduating class out of all the IB Diplomas across all the IB schools. I am not counting the specialized IB certificates that they have brought in to make the IB numbers look better but the actual IB diplomas.

SLHS share borders with 5 other pyramids

I don't think silverline es will be needed any time soon. fox mill and oak hill all have excess capacity.

There are ES at all of those schools that could be moved to SLHS but the main one that I hear about is Oakton. Crossfield is at Oakton and already has students at SLHS so it makes sense that those kids would shift to SLHS when Oakton is deemed too over crowded. Madison and Marshall are close enough that I can see them swapping schools, I know that some just moved between the two but it seems like that caused some controversy. Langley is most likely to send kids to Herndon if it becomes too overcrowded. Herndon is not going to have to worry about getting to capacity any time soon and already sends a bunch of kids to SLHS for IB.

If Crossfield kids zoned to Oakton get moved to Franklin right now and then South Lakes in the future, where would they attend Middle School? Make Franklin into a three way split?

Based on what they are trying to do in this rezoning, I would imagine they would get moved to Hughes to avoid a split feeder.

Yes, move an ES to two different middle schools in a five-year period seems likely...

Doesn't Crossfield already have some kids at Hughes? Moving the rest there would eliminate another split feeder.

There is no room to do so, and that area of Crossfield is in Reston.

Just eliminate AAP center. There will be room.

You make a good point. Here's my prediction:

In 4-5 years (just in time for another comprehensive boundary review) AAP centers will be at all middle schools, meaning (1) Hughes will have capacity because the Herndon kids will be back at Herndon and (2) Franklin will be overcapacity because the Navy and Waples kids will return from Carson. Guess what the perfect school to move out of Franklin into Hughes-South Lakes will be? Crossfield!

At the same time, Carson will be well under capacity and overcapacity elementary schools like Floris, McNair, and Coates will be in the perfect position to move their 6th graders into a 6-8 middle school at Carson.

Nope to 6-8. The Silver Line ES will address the Floris etc over capacity.

Fox Mill has capacity and can take some Floris kids. That's what the consultants originally proposed.

Fox Mill can take some Floris kids, there are kids in neighborhoods that attend Floris while their friends are at Fox Mill. I think the school is at 85% utilization.

I suspect the Sliver Line ES will pull kids from Coates and all of the new construction in that area, and also pull back in the Floris kids that were just moved to Coates for the upcoming year and put Floris over capacity.

It’s being built in the “One Sunrise Valley” development which is right across from the townhomes that are being moved to Floris. It’ll definitely relieve all the schools surrounding it. Coates and McNair currently have space to take on those kids in the meantime. I doubt they’ll end up shifting any of the Floris boundaries because of this but who knows.

The townhouses they just moved from Coates to Floris are right across Frying Pan from the site. (Additional evidence of how uncoordinated the redistricting was with FCPS's actual capital planning processes.)

You people are ridiculous. It's like you've never seen new development before and think school will get overcrowded and boundaries will need to be adjusted every time there's some new construction.

Yes, new construction can yield students. But there could be a host of existing neighborhoods that are sending fewer kids to a school.

Obviously that didn't happen at Floris, which saw a big increase in recent years. But there are plenty of other situations where there's new construction in one part of a school's catchment area and the enrollment has nevertheless declined.

You misunderstood. FCPS CIP has $84M in FY27-29 for the Silver Line ES. The ES site is literally across the street from the townhouses they're in the process of moving from Coates to Floris. The townhouses have no reasonable physical connection to any of the rest of Floris. Why would they ever move those townhouses to Floris now when they're obvious candidates for the Silver Line ES?

It will take years before silver line will be ready. They haven't broken ground yet.

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I give up with the person who doesn't understand math and capacity.

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Anonymous wrote:When the public hearing is just three days before the School Board vote, they are sending you a message that the hearing is pro forma and that nothing you might say at the hearing will make the slightest difference.

They are anything but nimble and have zero ability or willingness to adjust their plans over three days.

Pick a time when a good number of people will be on vacation, give those that remain the impression their comments will be considered (what will be changed over 3 days that has taken months to achieve (nothing) and then do what you planned to do anyway.

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Anonymous wrote:When the public hearing is just three days before the School Board vote, they are sending you a message that the hearing is pro forma and that nothing you might say at the hearing will make the slightest difference.

They are anything but nimble and have zero ability or willingness to adjust their plans over three days.

Pick a time when a good number of people will be on vacation, give those that remain the impression their comments will be considered (what will be changed over 3 days that has taken months to achieve (nothing) and then do what you planned to do anyway.

Exactly.