FCPS Skyview Boundary Revised Scenario 1 / 2

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the thousand students for Centreville's supposed expansion going to come from if they can't find students to keep Westfield within FCPS's own margins for building usage?

Seems to me that the neighborhood behind Centreville that is sent to Fairfax would be perfect for Centreville.

Then you have open seats to fill at Fairfax HS.
The most financially prudent decision is not to expand Centreville at all.

Fairfax can take some of Woodson. There are currently kids very close to Centreville getting sent to Fairfax when it’s much farther away.

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Anonymous wrote:The entire Walney area should be moved to Westfield. Brookfield should be a 50% split feeder. The Chantilly Mews kids should be moved back to CHS. The rest of Bull Run should be moved to Westfield. That would give Westfield around 2300-2400 students.

What would that do to Centreville? If people are worried about what Westfield can offer with 2100 kids they should ask what Centreville could offer with 1800 kids.

The bigger problem here is that they should have taken a harder look at the Oakton boundaries. When you open Skyview but leave Oakton with over 2700 kids you are ensuring some other schools serving western Fairfax are going to shrink drastically.

Instead they followed their typical approach of saying they want to move as few kids as possible. But when their starting point is moving over 1000 kids out of Westfield to populate Skyview, that approach no longer makes sense.

These people screw everything up, over and over again. And they pay themselves on the back for doing it.

Centreville is already a very small school. I think they have around 2100 students right now, and that's overcrowded. I don't think losing half of Bull Run would make much difference.

It would actually bring them into FCPS's "ideal capacity" zone. The capacity is only 1943 students.

And yet there was and perhaps still is a plan to expand Centreville to 3000.

If you think it’s the natural order of things to leave CVHS with 1943 or fewer seats you have to ask why we bothered to expand Oakton so much, or why it would be a problem for Westfield to have 2150 kids but OK for Centreville to have hundreds fewer.

People here are so blatantly transparent in advocating for changes that benefit their schools to the detriment of others.

The current scenario brings Westfield down from 2750 to 2083 students with a program capacity of 2800 and a building capacity of over 3000.
Centreville currently has 2181 and the scenario brings it down to 2118 with a program capacity of 1943.

Obsessing over current building and program capacities is the opposite of smart or proactive thinking, when those capacities are largely a product of ad hoc decisions made in the past and the timing of when a school came up in a renovation queue developed almost 20 years ago.

Not sure what you mean by "obsessing". Are you saying it makes financial sense to expand Centreville for a thousand more kids when FCPS can't find kids to attend Westfield, which borders Centreville?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Where are the thousand students for Centreville's supposed expansion going to come from if they can't find students to keep Westfield within FCPS's own margins for building usage?

Seems to me that the neighborhood behind Centreville that is sent to Fairfax would be perfect for Centreville.

Then you have open seats to fill at Fairfax HS.
The most financially prudent decision is not to expand Centreville at all.

Fairfax can take some of Woodson. There are currently kids very close to Centreville getting sent to Fairfax when it’s much farther away.

Then you are upsetting Fairfax parents who want to stay at Fairfax AND Woodson parents who want to stay at Woodson. I'm sure the SB will really go for that.

[Anonymous]

Aren't there problems with getting the permits to start the Centreville expansion? Something regarding the County not wanting to give them any more land? They would need County parkland to expand.

[Anonymous]

If Centreville families want to attend a huge building that is half-full, they can transfer to Westfield and get that experience, I guess. No need to spend a fortune adding seats to a building when seats aren't needed.

Do a very basic update of important systems like HVAC and move on to the next school.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The entire Walney area should be moved to Westfield. Brookfield should be a 50% split feeder. The Chantilly Mews kids should be moved back to CHS. The rest of Bull Run should be moved to Westfield. That would give Westfield around 2300-2400 students.

What would that do to Centreville? If people are worried about what Westfield can offer with 2100 kids they should ask what Centreville could offer with 1800 kids.

The bigger problem here is that they should have taken a harder look at the Oakton boundaries. When you open Skyview but leave Oakton with over 2700 kids you are ensuring some other schools serving western Fairfax are going to shrink drastically.

Instead they followed their typical approach of saying they want to move as few kids as possible. But when their starting point is moving over 1000 kids out of Westfield to populate Skyview, that approach no longer makes sense.

These people screw everything up, over and over again. And they pay themselves on the back for doing it.

Centreville is already a very small school. I think they have around 2100 students right now, and that's overcrowded. I don't think losing half of Bull Run would make much difference.

It would actually bring them into FCPS's "ideal capacity" zone. The capacity is only 1943 students.

And yet there was and perhaps still is a plan to expand Centreville to 3000.

If you think it’s the natural order of things to leave CVHS with 1943 or fewer seats you have to ask why we bothered to expand Oakton so much, or why it would be a problem for Westfield to have 2150 kids but OK for Centreville to have hundreds fewer.

People here are so blatantly transparent in advocating for changes that benefit their schools to the detriment of others.

The current scenario brings Westfield down from 2750 to 2083 students with a program capacity of 2800 and a building capacity of over 3000.
Centreville currently has 2181 and the scenario brings it down to 2118 with a program capacity of 1943.

Obsessing over current building and program capacities is the opposite of smart or proactive thinking, when those capacities are largely a product of ad hoc decisions made in the past and the timing of when a school came up in a renovation queue developed almost 20 years ago.

Not sure what you mean by "obsessing". Are you saying it makes financial sense to expand Centreville for a thousand more kids when FCPS can't find kids to attend Westfield, which borders Centreville?

It’s not that they can’t find kids to attend Westfield, it’s that they won’t.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire Walney area should be moved to Westfield. Brookfield should be a 50% split feeder. The Chantilly Mews kids should be moved back to CHS. The rest of Bull Run should be moved to Westfield. That would give Westfield around 2300-2400 students.

What would that do to Centreville? If people are worried about what Westfield can offer with 2100 kids they should ask what Centreville could offer with 1800 kids.

The bigger problem here is that they should have taken a harder look at the Oakton boundaries. When you open Skyview but leave Oakton with over 2700 kids you are ensuring some other schools serving western Fairfax are going to shrink drastically.

Instead they followed their typical approach of saying they want to move as few kids as possible. But when their starting point is moving over 1000 kids out of Westfield to populate Skyview, that approach no longer makes sense.

These people screw everything up, over and over again. And they pay themselves on the back for doing it.

Centreville is already a very small school. I think they have around 2100 students right now, and that's overcrowded. I don't think losing half of Bull Run would make much difference.

It would actually bring them into FCPS's "ideal capacity" zone. The capacity is only 1943 students.

And yet there was and perhaps still is a plan to expand Centreville to 3000.

If you think it’s the natural order of things to leave CVHS with 1943 or fewer seats you have to ask why we bothered to expand Oakton so much, or why it would be a problem for Westfield to have 2150 kids but OK for Centreville to have hundreds fewer.

People here are so blatantly transparent in advocating for changes that benefit their schools to the detriment of others.

The current scenario brings Westfield down from 2750 to 2083 students with a program capacity of 2800 and a building capacity of over 3000.
Centreville currently has 2181 and the scenario brings it down to 2118 with a program capacity of 1943.

Obsessing over current building and program capacities is the opposite of smart or proactive thinking, when those capacities are largely a product of ad hoc decisions made in the past and the timing of when a school came up in a renovation queue developed almost 20 years ago.

Not sure what you mean by "obsessing". Are you saying it makes financial sense to expand Centreville for a thousand more kids when FCPS can't find kids to attend Westfield, which borders Centreville?

It’s not that they can’t find kids to attend Westfield, it’s that they won’t.

Same practice result: tons of space for students at Westfield means no need to add tons of space at Centreville.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are the thousand students for Centreville's supposed expansion going to come from if they can't find students to keep Westfield within FCPS's own margins for building usage?

Seems to me that the neighborhood behind Centreville that is sent to Fairfax would be perfect for Centreville.

Then you have open seats to fill at Fairfax HS.
The most financially prudent decision is not to expand Centreville at all.

Fairfax can take some of Woodson. There are currently kids very close to Centreville getting sent to Fairfax when it’s much farther away.

Then you are upsetting Fairfax parents who want to stay at Fairfax AND Woodson parents who want to stay at Woodson. I'm sure the SB will really go for that.

There have long been families that would like to attend closer Centreville rather than Fairfax, just as there are now families who are happy to attend Skyview because it is closer than their current schools.

Woodson, unlike Centreville, has already been renovated and expanded, so if it’s still overcrowded it would be perfectly defensible to move some kids to Fairfax if FHS has space.

[Anonymous]

You think this SB is eager to jump back into
more rezoning drama? LOL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire Walney area should be moved to Westfield. Brookfield should be a 50% split feeder. The Chantilly Mews kids should be moved back to CHS. The rest of Bull Run should be moved to Westfield. That would give Westfield around 2300-2400 students.

What would that do to Centreville? If people are worried about what Westfield can offer with 2100 kids they should ask what Centreville could offer with 1800 kids.

The bigger problem here is that they should have taken a harder look at the Oakton boundaries. When you open Skyview but leave Oakton with over 2700 kids you are ensuring some other schools serving western Fairfax are going to shrink drastically.

Instead they followed their typical approach of saying they want to move as few kids as possible. But when their starting point is moving over 1000 kids out of Westfield to populate Skyview, that approach no longer makes sense.

These people screw everything up, over and over again. And they pay themselves on the back for doing it.

Centreville is already a very small school. I think they have around 2100 students right now, and that's overcrowded. I don't think losing half of Bull Run would make much difference.

It would actually bring them into FCPS's "ideal capacity" zone. The capacity is only 1943 students.

And yet there was and perhaps still is a plan to expand Centreville to 3000.

If you think it’s the natural order of things to leave CVHS with 1943 or fewer seats you have to ask why we bothered to expand Oakton so much, or why it would be a problem for Westfield to have 2150 kids but OK for Centreville to have hundreds fewer.

People here are so blatantly transparent in advocating for changes that benefit their schools to the detriment of others.

The current scenario brings Westfield down from 2750 to 2083 students with a program capacity of 2800 and a building capacity of over 3000.
Centreville currently has 2181 and the scenario brings it down to 2118 with a program capacity of 1943.

Obsessing over current building and program capacities is the opposite of smart or proactive thinking, when those capacities are largely a product of ad hoc decisions made in the past and the timing of when a school came up in a renovation queue developed almost 20 years ago.

Not sure what you mean by "obsessing". Are you saying it makes financial sense to expand Centreville for a thousand more kids when FCPS can't find kids to attend Westfield, which borders Centreville?

It’s not that they can’t find kids to attend Westfield, it’s that they won’t.

Same practice result: tons of space for students at Westfield means no need to add tons of space at Centreville.

By that logic empty seats at Herndon should have meant KAA was never acquired.

Obviously the SB didn’t agree.

And it’s not 3000 or nothing when it comes to Centreville. They can add some capacity to bring it in line with the majority of high schools.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are the thousand students for Centreville's supposed expansion going to come from if they can't find students to keep Westfield within FCPS's own margins for building usage?

Seems to me that the neighborhood behind Centreville that is sent to Fairfax would be perfect for Centreville.

Then you have open seats to fill at Fairfax HS.
The most financially prudent decision is not to expand Centreville at all.

Fairfax can take some of Woodson. There are currently kids very close to Centreville getting sent to Fairfax when it’s much farther away.

Then you are upsetting Fairfax parents who want to stay at Fairfax AND Woodson parents who want to stay at Woodson. I'm sure the SB will really go for that.

There have long been families that would like to attend closer Centreville rather than Fairfax, just as there are now families who are happy to attend Skyview because it is closer than their current schools.

Woodson, unlike Centreville, has already been renovated and expanded, so if it’s still overcrowded it would be perfectly defensible to move some kids to Fairfax if FHS has space.

Annnnnnd lots of families who prefer Fairfax. Annnnd all the angry Woodson parents who don't want to be downgraded to FHS. That's a lot of unnecessary drama for FCPS.

[Anonymous]

There is a very small area from Fairfax being rezoned to Chantilly--and yet close neighbors remain at Fairfax. Does anyone know the story on that decision?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:There is a very small area from Fairfax being rezoned to Chantilly--and yet close neighbors remain at Fairfax. Does anyone know the story on that decision?

I assumed someone Important lived in that neighborhood and wanted to get moved to Chantilly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Where are the thousand students for Centreville's supposed expansion going to come from if they can't find students to keep Westfield within FCPS's own margins for building usage?

Seems to me that the neighborhood behind Centreville that is sent to Fairfax would be perfect for Centreville.

Then you have open seats to fill at Fairfax HS.
The most financially prudent decision is not to expand Centreville at all.

Fairfax can take some of Woodson. There are currently kids very close to Centreville getting sent to Fairfax when it’s much farther away.

Then you are upsetting Fairfax parents who want to stay at Fairfax AND Woodson parents who want to stay at Woodson. I'm sure the SB will really go for that.

There have long been families that would like to attend closer Centreville rather than Fairfax, just as there are now families who are happy to attend Skyview because it is closer than their current schools.

Woodson, unlike Centreville, has already been renovated and expanded, so if it’s still overcrowded it would be perfectly defensible to move some kids to Fairfax if FHS has space.

Annnnnnd lots of families who prefer Fairfax. Annnnd all the angry Woodson parents who don't want to be downgraded to FHS. That's a lot of unnecessary drama for FCPS.

If and when the SB ever puts their big boy pants on again the drama will subside. Most of the drama exists because the SB gives all the circus performers a big stage.

But screwing Westfield and then using that as the basis to shortchange Centreville - all while bending over backwards to placate people at Oakton and a few other schools - is a recipe for disaster.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The entire Walney area should be moved to Westfield. Brookfield should be a 50% split feeder. The Chantilly Mews kids should be moved back to CHS. The rest of Bull Run should be moved to Westfield. That would give Westfield around 2300-2400 students.

What would that do to Centreville? If people are worried about what Westfield can offer with 2100 kids they should ask what Centreville could offer with 1800 kids.

The bigger problem here is that they should have taken a harder look at the Oakton boundaries. When you open Skyview but leave Oakton with over 2700 kids you are ensuring some other schools serving western Fairfax are going to shrink drastically.

Instead they followed their typical approach of saying they want to move as few kids as possible. But when their starting point is moving over 1000 kids out of Westfield to populate Skyview, that approach no longer makes sense.

These people screw everything up, over and over again. And they pay themselves on the back for doing it.

Centreville is already a very small school. I think they have around 2100 students right now, and that's overcrowded. I don't think losing half of Bull Run would make much difference.

It would actually bring them into FCPS's "ideal capacity" zone. The capacity is only 1943 students.

And yet there was and perhaps still is a plan to expand Centreville to 3000.

If you think it’s the natural order of things to leave CVHS with 1943 or fewer seats you have to ask why we bothered to expand Oakton so much, or why it would be a problem for Westfield to have 2150 kids but OK for Centreville to have hundreds fewer.

People here are so blatantly transparent in advocating for changes that benefit their schools to the detriment of others.

The current scenario brings Westfield down from 2750 to 2083 students with a program capacity of 2800 and a building capacity of over 3000.
Centreville currently has 2181 and the scenario brings it down to 2118 with a program capacity of 1943.

Obsessing over current building and program capacities is the opposite of smart or proactive thinking, when those capacities are largely a product of ad hoc decisions made in the past and the timing of when a school came up in a renovation queue developed almost 20 years ago.

Not sure what you mean by "obsessing". Are you saying it makes financial sense to expand Centreville for a thousand more kids when FCPS can't find kids to attend Westfield, which borders Centreville?

It’s not that they can’t find kids to attend Westfield, it’s that they won’t.

Same practice result: tons of space for students at Westfield means no need to add tons of space at Centreville.

By that logic empty seats at Herndon should have meant KAA was never acquired.

Obviously the SB didn’t agree.

And it’s not 3000 or nothing when it comes to Centreville. They can add some capacity to bring it in line with the majority of high schools.

How much capacity do you think they should add, with 800 empty seats ten minutes away at Westfield?