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Anonymous wrote:Meghan is always going to be too much or not enough for middle aged women. It's because they envy her. Her husband gave up everything for her, he protects her and their kids, he is a family man, and he supports her independent projects. She is beautiful, educated, well spoken, has her own career and money and ALL of that was before she met Harry. Together they've most made each other better.

If you look at the women who loudly and proudly talk shit about Meghan... you can see why they are mad. Jealousy makes you ugly on the inside and outside... and the outside of these women is NOT pretty.

Giving up everything (your friends and family) is a red flag. This Hollywood drama isn't what makes a healthy happy marriage.

That said, I am sure plenty of people are jealous of her, and I agree she is stunning.

Babe going no contact because your family is toxic towards you and toxic towards your spouse and kids IS NOT a red flag it's actually the healthiest response. If my family turned the toxic British press on my husband to cover their shenanigans, I would absolutely take him, my kid and leave. Period.

Harry and Meghan did the right thing and certain people will never be over it. So sad for those who cannot live in reality and waste their time spewing hate towards a woman they'll never know and who doesn't know they exist.

Some of these women would've done more for their own lives if they had focused on the elections at home (presidential in the US and Brexit in the UK) and voted their interests. Instead they stay stalking a woman who is minding her own business. Sad.

It is NOT normal to cut your whole family and social circle off. Cutting off 1 person (looking at you, Prince Andrew) or going low contact, sure. But losing your entire social circle and family wouldn't be something most therapists would recommend.

Remember Catherine's black sheep uncle who eventually went on a reality show? Even he hasn't been cut off. It is very extreme to cut multiple family members and friends off, and any good therapist will tell you this. Unfortunately today people act like that is "normal."

Also what's with the "Babe" thing?

DP here.

It's healthy to cut off people who refuse to try and understand or communicate with you as an equal. It's healthy to cut people off when they don't respect your spouse or children. I don't think it's "normal" but the dysfunction in both Harry's family and in Meghan's dad's family is also not "normal" and if they feel they need distance in order to protect themselves and their kids, that's healthy.

I'll also note that Harry actually has not cut off his family. He still sees and is friendly with his cousins and multiple of his friends from pre-Meghan. He has also spoken to his dad. It's a very strained relationship. But it's not like Harry has totally cut these people out of his life forever. He's set boundaries. That's all.

This is a very popular opinion: to “cut off” family who don’t communicate with you as a perceived “equal”.

Unpopular opinion: I disagree and think sometimes maintaining contact on your own terms is best. I was the child of an abusive father and when I became an adult, I learned to structure my visits to my parents very carefully. I didn’t stay in their house, and would visit at the house for a quick meal or meet my parents at a restaurant while I stayed with friends or in a hotel.
This was hard because I was poor as a young adult, but we all made it work.

Harry and Meghan are not poor and could easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms. They have opted to write a tell all book and try to make demands when they visit. Their version of boundaries hurt their families (both my keeping grandkids away from grandparents and cousins) and themselves rather than setting boundaries that help all. It is possible and healthier.

Again, they haven't cut off Harry's whole family. They are friends with Harry's cousins and appear to vacation with them in Portugal where their kids hang out. Harry has been back to visit more than once, including for his dad's coronation, and has spoken to him since his cancer diagnosis. No one in Harry's family has come to visit him in the US, however, and even when Will and Catherine came to the US recently, they made no effort to go see Harry and Meghan. So it actually looks like either Will and Harry have mutually decided not to interact, or Will and Catherine have cut off Harry.

Also, it's hilarious to me that you say they could "easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms" but then criticize them for trying "to make demands when they visit." Which is it? You are advocating for Harry to set boundaries with his family. Well, he's done that (again, while still maintaining contact and visiting them). Yet apparently he's still in the wrong. Why is there no expectation that Charles or William would also make an effort? It's baffling to me. This schism is quite clearly multi-sided, yet Harry (and really, Meghan) is blamed for the entire thing. As though Charles and William don't have any responsibility. Makes no sense.

Why would William and Catherine go all the way to California to see Harry and Meghan. They represent the U.K, not the U.S. Meghan and Harry burned the bridge by going on TV and insulting members of the royal family. It is understandable that no one wants to see them in England or travel all the way from England to California to see them.

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan is always going to be too much or not enough for middle aged women. It's because they envy her. Her husband gave up everything for her, he protects her and their kids, he is a family man, and he supports her independent projects. She is beautiful, educated, well spoken, has her own career and money and ALL of that was before she met Harry. Together they've most made each other better.

If you look at the women who loudly and proudly talk shit about Meghan... you can see why they are mad. Jealousy makes you ugly on the inside and outside... and the outside of these women is NOT pretty.

Giving up everything (your friends and family) is a red flag. This Hollywood drama isn't what makes a healthy happy marriage.

That said, I am sure plenty of people are jealous of her, and I agree she is stunning.

Babe going no contact because your family is toxic towards you and toxic towards your spouse and kids IS NOT a red flag it's actually the healthiest response. If my family turned the toxic British press on my husband to cover their shenanigans, I would absolutely take him, my kid and leave. Period.

Harry and Meghan did the right thing and certain people will never be over it. So sad for those who cannot live in reality and waste their time spewing hate towards a woman they'll never know and who doesn't know they exist.

Some of these women would've done more for their own lives if they had focused on the elections at home (presidential in the US and Brexit in the UK) and voted their interests. Instead they stay stalking a woman who is minding her own business. Sad.

It is NOT normal to cut your whole family and social circle off. Cutting off 1 person (looking at you, Prince Andrew) or going low contact, sure. But losing your entire social circle and family wouldn't be something most therapists would recommend.

Remember Catherine's black sheep uncle who eventually went on a reality show? Even he hasn't been cut off. It is very extreme to cut multiple family members and friends off, and any good therapist will tell you this. Unfortunately today people act like that is "normal."

Also what's with the "Babe" thing?

DP here.

It's healthy to cut off people who refuse to try and understand or communicate with you as an equal. It's healthy to cut people off when they don't respect your spouse or children. I don't think it's "normal" but the dysfunction in both Harry's family and in Meghan's dad's family is also not "normal" and if they feel they need distance in order to protect themselves and their kids, that's healthy.

I'll also note that Harry actually has not cut off his family. He still sees and is friendly with his cousins and multiple of his friends from pre-Meghan. He has also spoken to his dad. It's a very strained relationship. But it's not like Harry has totally cut these people out of his life forever. He's set boundaries. That's all.

This is a very popular opinion: to “cut off” family who don’t communicate with you as a perceived “equal”.

Unpopular opinion: I disagree and think sometimes maintaining contact on your own terms is best. I was the child of an abusive father and when I became an adult, I learned to structure my visits to my parents very carefully. I didn’t stay in their house, and would visit at the house for a quick meal or meet my parents at a restaurant while I stayed with friends or in a hotel.
This was hard because I was poor as a young adult, but we all made it work.

Harry and Meghan are not poor and could easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms. They have opted to write a tell all book and try to make demands when they visit. Their version of boundaries hurt their families (both my keeping grandkids away from grandparents and cousins) and themselves rather than setting boundaries that help all. It is possible and healthier.

Again, they haven't cut off Harry's whole family. They are friends with Harry's cousins and appear to vacation with them in Portugal where their kids hang out. Harry has been back to visit more than once, including for his dad's coronation, and has spoken to him since his cancer diagnosis. No one in Harry's family has come to visit him in the US, however, and even when Will and Catherine came to the US recently, they made no effort to go see Harry and Meghan. So it actually looks like either Will and Harry have mutually decided not to interact, or Will and Catherine have cut off Harry.

Also, it's hilarious to me that you say they could "easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms" but then criticize them for trying "to make demands when they visit." Which is it? You are advocating for Harry to set boundaries with his family. Well, he's done that (again, while still maintaining contact and visiting them). Yet apparently he's still in the wrong. Why is there no expectation that Charles or William would also make an effort? It's baffling to me. This schism is quite clearly multi-sided, yet Harry (and really, Meghan) is blamed for the entire thing. As though Charles and William don't have any responsibility. Makes no sense.

Why would William and Catherine go all the way to California to see Harry and Meghan. They represent the U.K, not the U.S. Meghan and Harry burned the bridge by going on TV and insulting members of the royal family. It is understandable that no one wants to see them in England or travel all the way from England to California to see them.

It’s not like W&C are bound to the island. They regularly “slip away” to the Caribbean for vacations with and without the kids.

And most of the royal cousins plus Diana’s family have kept in contact with them, Charles has FaceTimed the kids etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan is always going to be too much or not enough for middle aged women. It's because they envy her. Her husband gave up everything for her, he protects her and their kids, he is a family man, and he supports her independent projects. She is beautiful, educated, well spoken, has her own career and money and ALL of that was before she met Harry. Together they've most made each other better.

If you look at the women who loudly and proudly talk shit about Meghan... you can see why they are mad. Jealousy makes you ugly on the inside and outside... and the outside of these women is NOT pretty.

Giving up everything (your friends and family) is a red flag. This Hollywood drama isn't what makes a healthy happy marriage.

That said, I am sure plenty of people are jealous of her, and I agree she is stunning.

Babe going no contact because your family is toxic towards you and toxic towards your spouse and kids IS NOT a red flag it's actually the healthiest response. If my family turned the toxic British press on my husband to cover their shenanigans, I would absolutely take him, my kid and leave. Period.

Harry and Meghan did the right thing and certain people will never be over it. So sad for those who cannot live in reality and waste their time spewing hate towards a woman they'll never know and who doesn't know they exist.

Some of these women would've done more for their own lives if they had focused on the elections at home (presidential in the US and Brexit in the UK) and voted their interests. Instead they stay stalking a woman who is minding her own business. Sad.

It is NOT normal to cut your whole family and social circle off. Cutting off 1 person (looking at you, Prince Andrew) or going low contact, sure. But losing your entire social circle and family wouldn't be something most therapists would recommend.

Remember Catherine's black sheep uncle who eventually went on a reality show? Even he hasn't been cut off. It is very extreme to cut multiple family members and friends off, and any good therapist will tell you this. Unfortunately today people act like that is "normal."

Also what's with the "Babe" thing?

DP here.

It's healthy to cut off people who refuse to try and understand or communicate with you as an equal. It's healthy to cut people off when they don't respect your spouse or children. I don't think it's "normal" but the dysfunction in both Harry's family and in Meghan's dad's family is also not "normal" and if they feel they need distance in order to protect themselves and their kids, that's healthy.

I'll also note that Harry actually has not cut off his family. He still sees and is friendly with his cousins and multiple of his friends from pre-Meghan. He has also spoken to his dad. It's a very strained relationship. But it's not like Harry has totally cut these people out of his life forever. He's set boundaries. That's all.

This is a very popular opinion: to “cut off” family who don’t communicate with you as a perceived “equal”.

Unpopular opinion: I disagree and think sometimes maintaining contact on your own terms is best. I was the child of an abusive father and when I became an adult, I learned to structure my visits to my parents very carefully. I didn’t stay in their house, and would visit at the house for a quick meal or meet my parents at a restaurant while I stayed with friends or in a hotel.
This was hard because I was poor as a young adult, but we all made it work.

Harry and Meghan are not poor and could easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms. They have opted to write a tell all book and try to make demands when they visit. Their version of boundaries hurt their families (both my keeping grandkids away from grandparents and cousins) and themselves rather than setting boundaries that help all. It is possible and healthier.

Again, they haven't cut off Harry's whole family. They are friends with Harry's cousins and appear to vacation with them in Portugal where their kids hang out. Harry has been back to visit more than once, including for his dad's coronation, and has spoken to him since his cancer diagnosis. No one in Harry's family has come to visit him in the US, however, and even when Will and Catherine came to the US recently, they made no effort to go see Harry and Meghan. So it actually looks like either Will and Harry have mutually decided not to interact, or Will and Catherine have cut off Harry.

Also, it's hilarious to me that you say they could "easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms" but then criticize them for trying "to make demands when they visit." Which is it? You are advocating for Harry to set boundaries with his family. Well, he's done that (again, while still maintaining contact and visiting them). Yet apparently he's still in the wrong. Why is there no expectation that Charles or William would also make an effort? It's baffling to me. This schism is quite clearly multi-sided, yet Harry (and really, Meghan) is blamed for the entire thing. As though Charles and William don't have any responsibility. Makes no sense.

Oh- I thought they were trying to stay in a certain location when Harry came for the coronation and wanted the BRF to pay for security etc during their visit. I am a very casual follower, so I could be remembering wrong.

Charles and William have like cancer/a spouse with cancer and probably can’t take off to California without it becoming a state event, so I give them a pass, but if you don’t see it that way, okay!

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan is always going to be too much or not enough for middle aged women. It's because they envy her. Her husband gave up everything for her, he protects her and their kids, he is a family man, and he supports her independent projects. She is beautiful, educated, well spoken, has her own career and money and ALL of that was before she met Harry. Together they've most made each other better.

If you look at the women who loudly and proudly talk shit about Meghan... you can see why they are mad. Jealousy makes you ugly on the inside and outside... and the outside of these women is NOT pretty.

Giving up everything (your friends and family) is a red flag. This Hollywood drama isn't what makes a healthy happy marriage.

That said, I am sure plenty of people are jealous of her, and I agree she is stunning.

Babe going no contact because your family is toxic towards you and toxic towards your spouse and kids IS NOT a red flag it's actually the healthiest response. If my family turned the toxic British press on my husband to cover their shenanigans, I would absolutely take him, my kid and leave. Period.

Harry and Meghan did the right thing and certain people will never be over it. So sad for those who cannot live in reality and waste their time spewing hate towards a woman they'll never know and who doesn't know they exist.

Some of these women would've done more for their own lives if they had focused on the elections at home (presidential in the US and Brexit in the UK) and voted their interests. Instead they stay stalking a woman who is minding her own business. Sad.

It is NOT normal to cut your whole family and social circle off. Cutting off 1 person (looking at you, Prince Andrew) or going low contact, sure. But losing your entire social circle and family wouldn't be something most therapists would recommend.

Remember Catherine's black sheep uncle who eventually went on a reality show? Even he hasn't been cut off. It is very extreme to cut multiple family members and friends off, and any good therapist will tell you this. Unfortunately today people act like that is "normal."

Also what's with the "Babe" thing?

DP here.

It's healthy to cut off people who refuse to try and understand or communicate with you as an equal. It's healthy to cut people off when they don't respect your spouse or children. I don't think it's "normal" but the dysfunction in both Harry's family and in Meghan's dad's family is also not "normal" and if they feel they need distance in order to protect themselves and their kids, that's healthy.

I'll also note that Harry actually has not cut off his family. He still sees and is friendly with his cousins and multiple of his friends from pre-Meghan. He has also spoken to his dad. It's a very strained relationship. But it's not like Harry has totally cut these people out of his life forever. He's set boundaries. That's all.

This is a very popular opinion: to “cut off” family who don’t communicate with you as a perceived “equal”.

Unpopular opinion: I disagree and think sometimes maintaining contact on your own terms is best. I was the child of an abusive father and when I became an adult, I learned to structure my visits to my parents very carefully. I didn’t stay in their house, and would visit at the house for a quick meal or meet my parents at a restaurant while I stayed with friends or in a hotel.
This was hard because I was poor as a young adult, but we all made it work.

Harry and Meghan are not poor and could easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms. They have opted to write a tell all book and try to make demands when they visit. Their version of boundaries hurt their families (both my keeping grandkids away from grandparents and cousins) and themselves rather than setting boundaries that help all. It is possible and healthier.

Again, they haven't cut off Harry's whole family. They are friends with Harry's cousins and appear to vacation with them in Portugal where their kids hang out. Harry has been back to visit more than once, including for his dad's coronation, and has spoken to him since his cancer diagnosis. No one in Harry's family has come to visit him in the US, however, and even when Will and Catherine came to the US recently, they made no effort to go see Harry and Meghan. So it actually looks like either Will and Harry have mutually decided not to interact, or Will and Catherine have cut off Harry.

Also, it's hilarious to me that you say they could "easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms" but then criticize them for trying "to make demands when they visit." Which is it? You are advocating for Harry to set boundaries with his family. Well, he's done that (again, while still maintaining contact and visiting them). Yet apparently he's still in the wrong. Why is there no expectation that Charles or William would also make an effort? It's baffling to me. This schism is quite clearly multi-sided, yet Harry (and really, Meghan) is blamed for the entire thing. As though Charles and William don't have any responsibility. Makes no sense.

Why would William and Catherine go all the way to California to see Harry and Meghan. They represent the U.K, not the U.S. Meghan and Harry burned the bridge by going on TV and insulting members of the royal family. It is understandable that no one wants to see them in England or travel all the way from England to California to see them.

It’s not like W&C are bound to the island. They regularly “slip away” to the Caribbean for vacations with and without the kids.

And most of the royal cousins plus Diana’s family have kept in contact with them, Charles has FaceTimed the kids etc.

If Charles FaceTime the kids Meg would have posted it on social media. Charles is not talking to her or Princess Lillibick.

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan is always going to be too much or not enough for middle aged women. It's because they envy her. Her husband gave up everything for her, he protects her and their kids, he is a family man, and he supports her independent projects. She is beautiful, educated, well spoken, has her own career and money and ALL of that was before she met Harry. Together they've most made each other better.

If you look at the women who loudly and proudly talk shit about Meghan... you can see why they are mad. Jealousy makes you ugly on the inside and outside... and the outside of these women is NOT pretty.

Giving up everything (your friends and family) is a red flag. This Hollywood drama isn't what makes a healthy happy marriage.

That said, I am sure plenty of people are jealous of her, and I agree she is stunning.

Babe going no contact because your family is toxic towards you and toxic towards your spouse and kids IS NOT a red flag it's actually the healthiest response. If my family turned the toxic British press on my husband to cover their shenanigans, I would absolutely take him, my kid and leave. Period.

Harry and Meghan did the right thing and certain people will never be over it. So sad for those who cannot live in reality and waste their time spewing hate towards a woman they'll never know and who doesn't know they exist.

Some of these women would've done more for their own lives if they had focused on the elections at home (presidential in the US and Brexit in the UK) and voted their interests. Instead they stay stalking a woman who is minding her own business. Sad.

It is NOT normal to cut your whole family and social circle off. Cutting off 1 person (looking at you, Prince Andrew) or going low contact, sure. But losing your entire social circle and family wouldn't be something most therapists would recommend.

Remember Catherine's black sheep uncle who eventually went on a reality show? Even he hasn't been cut off. It is very extreme to cut multiple family members and friends off, and any good therapist will tell you this. Unfortunately today people act like that is "normal."

Also what's with the "Babe" thing?

DP here.

It's healthy to cut off people who refuse to try and understand or communicate with you as an equal. It's healthy to cut people off when they don't respect your spouse or children. I don't think it's "normal" but the dysfunction in both Harry's family and in Meghan's dad's family is also not "normal" and if they feel they need distance in order to protect themselves and their kids, that's healthy.

I'll also note that Harry actually has not cut off his family. He still sees and is friendly with his cousins and multiple of his friends from pre-Meghan. He has also spoken to his dad. It's a very strained relationship. But it's not like Harry has totally cut these people out of his life forever. He's set boundaries. That's all.

This is a very popular opinion: to “cut off” family who don’t communicate with you as a perceived “equal”.

Unpopular opinion: I disagree and think sometimes maintaining contact on your own terms is best. I was the child of an abusive father and when I became an adult, I learned to structure my visits to my parents very carefully. I didn’t stay in their house, and would visit at the house for a quick meal or meet my parents at a restaurant while I stayed with friends or in a hotel.
This was hard because I was poor as a young adult, but we all made it work.

Harry and Meghan are not poor and could easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms. They have opted to write a tell all book and try to make demands when they visit. Their version of boundaries hurt their families (both my keeping grandkids away from grandparents and cousins) and themselves rather than setting boundaries that help all. It is possible and healthier.

How do you know they haven't tried to renew contact on their own terms? Harry tried to meet with Charles who refused a meeting. Apparently they exchange kids' Christmas gifts. And, Harry wrote the book to set the record straight because Charles, Camilla, William and Kate either gave the tabloids the ugly stories about Harry and Meghan or refused to deny the ugly stories (see the flower girl dresses).

-- somebody with an abusive sister (as in, threw me against a bookcase, for starters) who also maintains contact by structuring that contact very carefully

ITA. Harry has not been perfect but I find that understandable because his family is SO AWFUL to him. I find the whole royal family ridiculous and think most of these people would be better off, and more personally fulfilled, if they could have just had normal lives with normal jobs. Being a royal should be in the DSM-V. It's a stupid "job" and I think gives you serious mental health issues. So I actually have empathy for all of them. But Harry at least acknowledges what's awful about it publicly. Which is also what his mom did, and she is posthumously beloved for it (she got plenty of criticism for when she was alive).

I think the same will happen with Harry. 50 years from now people will look back on this whole incident and I think Harry will look like the canary in the coal mine, Meghan will look like an innocent bystander, and Charles, Camilla, William, and Kate will look like the dinosaurs they are, trying to defend an inexcusable and outdated system. And the sad thing is that Charles really did want to modernize the monarchy. But I actually think it is William standing in his way -- William and Kate want to be old style royals, where they are adored from afar and held accountable for nothing.

You can’t extrapolate what happens your regular-level dysfunctional family with the BRF. Harry has said he believes the BRF killed his mother to silence her. They have said the way the BRF works to their own members is to feed stories to the tabloids of the lower members to protect the higher ones. Harry didn’t want to deal with that. Meghan knew it was a life of public scrutiny but not one of them eating their own. It’s not a healthy way to raise kids at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan is always going to be too much or not enough for middle aged women. It's because they envy her. Her husband gave up everything for her, he protects her and their kids, he is a family man, and he supports her independent projects. She is beautiful, educated, well spoken, has her own career and money and ALL of that was before she met Harry. Together they've most made each other better.

If you look at the women who loudly and proudly talk shit about Meghan... you can see why they are mad. Jealousy makes you ugly on the inside and outside... and the outside of these women is NOT pretty.

Giving up everything (your friends and family) is a red flag. This Hollywood drama isn't what makes a healthy happy marriage.

That said, I am sure plenty of people are jealous of her, and I agree she is stunning.

Babe going no contact because your family is toxic towards you and toxic towards your spouse and kids IS NOT a red flag it's actually the healthiest response. If my family turned the toxic British press on my husband to cover their shenanigans, I would absolutely take him, my kid and leave. Period.

Harry and Meghan did the right thing and certain people will never be over it. So sad for those who cannot live in reality and waste their time spewing hate towards a woman they'll never know and who doesn't know they exist.

Some of these women would've done more for their own lives if they had focused on the elections at home (presidential in the US and Brexit in the UK) and voted their interests. Instead they stay stalking a woman who is minding her own business. Sad.

It is NOT normal to cut your whole family and social circle off. Cutting off 1 person (looking at you, Prince Andrew) or going low contact, sure. But losing your entire social circle and family wouldn't be something most therapists would recommend.

Remember Catherine's black sheep uncle who eventually went on a reality show? Even he hasn't been cut off. It is very extreme to cut multiple family members and friends off, and any good therapist will tell you this. Unfortunately today people act like that is "normal."

Also what's with the "Babe" thing?

DP here.

It's healthy to cut off people who refuse to try and understand or communicate with you as an equal. It's healthy to cut people off when they don't respect your spouse or children. I don't think it's "normal" but the dysfunction in both Harry's family and in Meghan's dad's family is also not "normal" and if they feel they need distance in order to protect themselves and their kids, that's healthy.

I'll also note that Harry actually has not cut off his family. He still sees and is friendly with his cousins and multiple of his friends from pre-Meghan. He has also spoken to his dad. It's a very strained relationship. But it's not like Harry has totally cut these people out of his life forever. He's set boundaries. That's all.

This is a very popular opinion: to “cut off” family who don’t communicate with you as a perceived “equal”.

Unpopular opinion: I disagree and think sometimes maintaining contact on your own terms is best. I was the child of an abusive father and when I became an adult, I learned to structure my visits to my parents very carefully. I didn’t stay in their house, and would visit at the house for a quick meal or meet my parents at a restaurant while I stayed with friends or in a hotel.
This was hard because I was poor as a young adult, but we all made it work.

Harry and Meghan are not poor and could easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms. They have opted to write a tell all book and try to make demands when they visit. Their version of boundaries hurt their families (both my keeping grandkids away from grandparents and cousins) and themselves rather than setting boundaries that help all. It is possible and healthier.

How do you know they haven't tried to renew contact on their own terms? Harry tried to meet with Charles who refused a meeting. Apparently they exchange kids' Christmas gifts. And, Harry wrote the book to set the record straight because Charles, Camilla, William and Kate either gave the tabloids the ugly stories about Harry and Meghan or refused to deny the ugly stories (see the flower girl dresses).

-- somebody with an abusive sister (as in, threw me against a bookcase, for starters) who also maintains contact by structuring that contact very carefully

ITA. Harry has not been perfect but I find that understandable because his family is SO AWFUL to him. I find the whole royal family ridiculous and think most of these people would be better off, and more personally fulfilled, if they could have just had normal lives with normal jobs. Being a royal should be in the DSM-V. It's a stupid "job" and I think gives you serious mental health issues. So I actually have empathy for all of them. But Harry at least acknowledges what's awful about it publicly. Which is also what his mom did, and she is posthumously beloved for it (she got plenty of criticism for when she was alive).

I think the same will happen with Harry. 50 years from now people will look back on this whole incident and I think Harry will look like the canary in the coal mine, Meghan will look like an innocent bystander, and Charles, Camilla, William, and Kate will look like the dinosaurs they are, trying to defend an inexcusable and outdated system. And the sad thing is that Charles really did want to modernize the monarchy. But I actually think it is William standing in his way -- William and Kate want to be old style royals, where they are adored from afar and held accountable for nothing.

You can’t extrapolate what happens your regular-level dysfunctional family with the BRF. Harry has said he believes the BRF killed his mother to silence her. They have said the way the BRF works to their own members is to feed stories to the tabloids of the lower members to protect the higher ones. Harry didn’t want to deal with that. Meghan knew it was a life of public scrutiny but not one of them eating their own. It’s not a healthy way to raise kids at all.

But Meghan was right to extrapolate that her life would be great in the BRF? I just can’t buy that any woman who cares about women’s rights would think being a princess (whose job is to look attractive and be nice) isn’t a job loaded with misogynistic and imperialist overtones. It isn’t just the public scrutiny it is that within the royal family, the expectations to “be a lady’ and not buck social conventions is THE entire job. Of course it is toxic and any family member raised in it would be toxic.

Haven’t we all seen enough Disney movies to know being a princess has its down sides too? Meghan seems fairly intelligent, and for her not to be able to put that together is silly. Harry couldn’t find anyone to marry him becuase of his toxic family. Why does Meghan get a pass from you for not seeing that? You see it, why not expect her (a self proclaimed champion of women) to see it?

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan is always going to be too much or not enough for middle aged women. It's because they envy her. Her husband gave up everything for her, he protects her and their kids, he is a family man, and he supports her independent projects. She is beautiful, educated, well spoken, has her own career and money and ALL of that was before she met Harry. Together they've most made each other better.

If you look at the women who loudly and proudly talk shit about Meghan... you can see why they are mad. Jealousy makes you ugly on the inside and outside... and the outside of these women is NOT pretty.

Giving up everything (your friends and family) is a red flag. This Hollywood drama isn't what makes a healthy happy marriage.

That said, I am sure plenty of people are jealous of her, and I agree she is stunning.

Babe going no contact because your family is toxic towards you and toxic towards your spouse and kids IS NOT a red flag it's actually the healthiest response. If my family turned the toxic British press on my husband to cover their shenanigans, I would absolutely take him, my kid and leave. Period.

Harry and Meghan did the right thing and certain people will never be over it. So sad for those who cannot live in reality and waste their time spewing hate towards a woman they'll never know and who doesn't know they exist.

Some of these women would've done more for their own lives if they had focused on the elections at home (presidential in the US and Brexit in the UK) and voted their interests. Instead they stay stalking a woman who is minding her own business. Sad.

It is NOT normal to cut your whole family and social circle off. Cutting off 1 person (looking at you, Prince Andrew) or going low contact, sure. But losing your entire social circle and family wouldn't be something most therapists would recommend.

Remember Catherine's black sheep uncle who eventually went on a reality show? Even he hasn't been cut off. It is very extreme to cut multiple family members and friends off, and any good therapist will tell you this. Unfortunately today people act like that is "normal."

Also what's with the "Babe" thing?

DP here.

It's healthy to cut off people who refuse to try and understand or communicate with you as an equal. It's healthy to cut people off when they don't respect your spouse or children. I don't think it's "normal" but the dysfunction in both Harry's family and in Meghan's dad's family is also not "normal" and if they feel they need distance in order to protect themselves and their kids, that's healthy.

I'll also note that Harry actually has not cut off his family. He still sees and is friendly with his cousins and multiple of his friends from pre-Meghan. He has also spoken to his dad. It's a very strained relationship. But it's not like Harry has totally cut these people out of his life forever. He's set boundaries. That's all.

This is a very popular opinion: to “cut off” family who don’t communicate with you as a perceived “equal”.

Unpopular opinion: I disagree and think sometimes maintaining contact on your own terms is best. I was the child of an abusive father and when I became an adult, I learned to structure my visits to my parents very carefully. I didn’t stay in their house, and would visit at the house for a quick meal or meet my parents at a restaurant while I stayed with friends or in a hotel.
This was hard because I was poor as a young adult, but we all made it work.

Harry and Meghan are not poor and could easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms. They have opted to write a tell all book and try to make demands when they visit. Their version of boundaries hurt their families (both my keeping grandkids away from grandparents and cousins) and themselves rather than setting boundaries that help all. It is possible and healthier.

How do you know they haven't tried to renew contact on their own terms? Harry tried to meet with Charles who refused a meeting. Apparently they exchange kids' Christmas gifts. And, Harry wrote the book to set the record straight because Charles, Camilla, William and Kate either gave the tabloids the ugly stories about Harry and Meghan or refused to deny the ugly stories (see the flower girl dresses).

-- somebody with an abusive sister (as in, threw me against a bookcase, for starters) who also maintains contact by structuring that contact very carefully

ITA. Harry has not been perfect but I find that understandable because his family is SO AWFUL to him. I find the whole royal family ridiculous and think most of these people would be better off, and more personally fulfilled, if they could have just had normal lives with normal jobs. Being a royal should be in the DSM-V. It's a stupid "job" and I think gives you serious mental health issues. So I actually have empathy for all of them. But Harry at least acknowledges what's awful about it publicly. Which is also what his mom did, and she is posthumously beloved for it (she got plenty of criticism for when she was alive).

I think the same will happen with Harry. 50 years from now people will look back on this whole incident and I think Harry will look like the canary in the coal mine, Meghan will look like an innocent bystander, and Charles, Camilla, William, and Kate will look like the dinosaurs they are, trying to defend an inexcusable and outdated system. And the sad thing is that Charles really did want to modernize the monarchy. But I actually think it is William standing in his way -- William and Kate want to be old style royals, where they are adored from afar and held accountable for nothing.

You can’t extrapolate what happens your regular-level dysfunctional family with the BRF. Harry has said he believes the BRF killed his mother to silence her. They have said the way the BRF works to their own members is to feed stories to the tabloids of the lower members to protect the higher ones. Harry didn’t want to deal with that. Meghan knew it was a life of public scrutiny but not one of them eating their own. It’s not a healthy way to raise kids at all.

But Meghan was right to extrapolate that her life would be great in the BRF? I just can’t buy that any woman who cares about women’s rights would think being a princess (whose job is to look attractive and be nice) isn’t a job loaded with misogynistic and imperialist overtones. It isn’t just the public scrutiny it is that within the royal family, the expectations to “be a lady’ and not buck social conventions is THE entire job. Of course it is toxic and any family member raised in it would be toxic.

Haven’t we all seen enough Disney movies to know being a princess has its down sides too? Meghan seems fairly intelligent, and for her not to be able to put that together is silly. Harry couldn’t find anyone to marry him becuase of his toxic family. Why does Meghan get a pass from you for not seeing that? You see it, why not expect her (a self proclaimed champion of women) to see it?

DP this is why she seems disingenuous and inauthentic.

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan is always going to be too much or not enough for middle aged women. It's because they envy her. Her husband gave up everything for her, he protects her and their kids, he is a family man, and he supports her independent projects. She is beautiful, educated, well spoken, has her own career and money and ALL of that was before she met Harry. Together they've most made each other better.

If you look at the women who loudly and proudly talk shit about Meghan... you can see why they are mad. Jealousy makes you ugly on the inside and outside... and the outside of these women is NOT pretty.

Giving up everything (your friends and family) is a red flag. This Hollywood drama isn't what makes a healthy happy marriage.

That said, I am sure plenty of people are jealous of her, and I agree she is stunning.

Babe going no contact because your family is toxic towards you and toxic towards your spouse and kids IS NOT a red flag it's actually the healthiest response. If my family turned the toxic British press on my husband to cover their shenanigans, I would absolutely take him, my kid and leave. Period.

Harry and Meghan did the right thing and certain people will never be over it. So sad for those who cannot live in reality and waste their time spewing hate towards a woman they'll never know and who doesn't know they exist.

Some of these women would've done more for their own lives if they had focused on the elections at home (presidential in the US and Brexit in the UK) and voted their interests. Instead they stay stalking a woman who is minding her own business. Sad.

It is NOT normal to cut your whole family and social circle off. Cutting off 1 person (looking at you, Prince Andrew) or going low contact, sure. But losing your entire social circle and family wouldn't be something most therapists would recommend.

Remember Catherine's black sheep uncle who eventually went on a reality show? Even he hasn't been cut off. It is very extreme to cut multiple family members and friends off, and any good therapist will tell you this. Unfortunately today people act like that is "normal."

Also what's with the "Babe" thing?

DP here.

It's healthy to cut off people who refuse to try and understand or communicate with you as an equal. It's healthy to cut people off when they don't respect your spouse or children. I don't think it's "normal" but the dysfunction in both Harry's family and in Meghan's dad's family is also not "normal" and if they feel they need distance in order to protect themselves and their kids, that's healthy.

I'll also note that Harry actually has not cut off his family. He still sees and is friendly with his cousins and multiple of his friends from pre-Meghan. He has also spoken to his dad. It's a very strained relationship. But it's not like Harry has totally cut these people out of his life forever. He's set boundaries. That's all.

This is a very popular opinion: to “cut off” family who don’t communicate with you as a perceived “equal”.

Unpopular opinion: I disagree and think sometimes maintaining contact on your own terms is best. I was the child of an abusive father and when I became an adult, I learned to structure my visits to my parents very carefully. I didn’t stay in their house, and would visit at the house for a quick meal or meet my parents at a restaurant while I stayed with friends or in a hotel.
This was hard because I was poor as a young adult, but we all made it work.

Harry and Meghan are not poor and could easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms. They have opted to write a tell all book and try to make demands when they visit. Their version of boundaries hurt their families (both my keeping grandkids away from grandparents and cousins) and themselves rather than setting boundaries that help all. It is possible and healthier.

Again, they haven't cut off Harry's whole family. They are friends with Harry's cousins and appear to vacation with them in Portugal where their kids hang out. Harry has been back to visit more than once, including for his dad's coronation, and has spoken to him since his cancer diagnosis. No one in Harry's family has come to visit him in the US, however, and even when Will and Catherine came to the US recently, they made no effort to go see Harry and Meghan. So it actually looks like either Will and Harry have mutually decided not to interact, or Will and Catherine have cut off Harry.

Also, it's hilarious to me that you say they could "easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms" but then criticize them for trying "to make demands when they visit." Which is it? You are advocating for Harry to set boundaries with his family. Well, he's done that (again, while still maintaining contact and visiting them). Yet apparently he's still in the wrong. Why is there no expectation that Charles or William would also make an effort? It's baffling to me. This schism is quite clearly multi-sided, yet Harry (and really, Meghan) is blamed for the entire thing. As though Charles and William don't have any responsibility. Makes no sense.

Oh- I thought they were trying to stay in a certain location when Harry came for the coronation and wanted the BRF to pay for security etc during their visit. I am a very casual follower, so I could be remembering wrong.

Charles and William have like cancer/a spouse with cancer and probably can’t take off to California without it becoming a state event, so I give them a pass, but if you don’t see it that way, okay!

Actually, they wanted to pay for police protection themselves, but were told that they couldn't do that. They weren't asking the BRF for anything.

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan is always going to be too much or not enough for middle aged women. It's because they envy her. Her husband gave up everything for her, he protects her and their kids, he is a family man, and he supports her independent projects. She is beautiful, educated, well spoken, has her own career and money and ALL of that was before she met Harry. Together they've most made each other better.

If you look at the women who loudly and proudly talk shit about Meghan... you can see why they are mad. Jealousy makes you ugly on the inside and outside... and the outside of these women is NOT pretty.

Giving up everything (your friends and family) is a red flag. This Hollywood drama isn't what makes a healthy happy marriage.

That said, I am sure plenty of people are jealous of her, and I agree she is stunning.

Babe going no contact because your family is toxic towards you and toxic towards your spouse and kids IS NOT a red flag it's actually the healthiest response. If my family turned the toxic British press on my husband to cover their shenanigans, I would absolutely take him, my kid and leave. Period.

Harry and Meghan did the right thing and certain people will never be over it. So sad for those who cannot live in reality and waste their time spewing hate towards a woman they'll never know and who doesn't know they exist.

Some of these women would've done more for their own lives if they had focused on the elections at home (presidential in the US and Brexit in the UK) and voted their interests. Instead they stay stalking a woman who is minding her own business. Sad.

It is NOT normal to cut your whole family and social circle off. Cutting off 1 person (looking at you, Prince Andrew) or going low contact, sure. But losing your entire social circle and family wouldn't be something most therapists would recommend.

Remember Catherine's black sheep uncle who eventually went on a reality show? Even he hasn't been cut off. It is very extreme to cut multiple family members and friends off, and any good therapist will tell you this. Unfortunately today people act like that is "normal."

Also what's with the "Babe" thing?

DP here.

It's healthy to cut off people who refuse to try and understand or communicate with you as an equal. It's healthy to cut people off when they don't respect your spouse or children. I don't think it's "normal" but the dysfunction in both Harry's family and in Meghan's dad's family is also not "normal" and if they feel they need distance in order to protect themselves and their kids, that's healthy.

I'll also note that Harry actually has not cut off his family. He still sees and is friendly with his cousins and multiple of his friends from pre-Meghan. He has also spoken to his dad. It's a very strained relationship. But it's not like Harry has totally cut these people out of his life forever. He's set boundaries. That's all.

This is a very popular opinion: to “cut off” family who don’t communicate with you as a perceived “equal”.

Unpopular opinion: I disagree and think sometimes maintaining contact on your own terms is best. I was the child of an abusive father and when I became an adult, I learned to structure my visits to my parents very carefully. I didn’t stay in their house, and would visit at the house for a quick meal or meet my parents at a restaurant while I stayed with friends or in a hotel.
This was hard because I was poor as a young adult, but we all made it work.

Harry and Meghan are not poor and could easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms. They have opted to write a tell all book and try to make demands when they visit. Their version of boundaries hurt their families (both my keeping grandkids away from grandparents and cousins) and themselves rather than setting boundaries that help all. It is possible and healthier.

Again, they haven't cut off Harry's whole family. They are friends with Harry's cousins and appear to vacation with them in Portugal where their kids hang out. Harry has been back to visit more than once, including for his dad's coronation, and has spoken to him since his cancer diagnosis. No one in Harry's family has come to visit him in the US, however, and even when Will and Catherine came to the US recently, they made no effort to go see Harry and Meghan. So it actually looks like either Will and Harry have mutually decided not to interact, or Will and Catherine have cut off Harry.

Also, it's hilarious to me that you say they could "easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms" but then criticize them for trying "to make demands when they visit." Which is it? You are advocating for Harry to set boundaries with his family. Well, he's done that (again, while still maintaining contact and visiting them). Yet apparently he's still in the wrong. Why is there no expectation that Charles or William would also make an effort? It's baffling to me. This schism is quite clearly multi-sided, yet Harry (and really, Meghan) is blamed for the entire thing. As though Charles and William don't have any responsibility. Makes no sense.

Oh- I thought they were trying to stay in a certain location when Harry came for the coronation and wanted the BRF to pay for security etc during their visit. I am a very casual follower, so I could be remembering wrong.

Charles and William have like cancer/a spouse with cancer and probably can’t take off to California without it becoming a state event, so I give them a pass, but if you don’t see it that way, okay!

Actually, they wanted to pay for police protection themselves, but were told that they couldn't do that. They weren't asking the BRF for anything.

Let's get real. Meghan is never going back there after being loudly booed by the crowd when they walked out of the cathedral in London.

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And I realize Meghan's friend is going to get on here and tell me that Meghan is not responsible for any of her behavior. She is just a poor, sad, victim of all the hate. Poor Meg, if only she had been given a fair shake inside life, things would have been so much better.

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan is always going to be too much or not enough for middle aged women. It's because they envy her. Her husband gave up everything for her, he protects her and their kids, he is a family man, and he supports her independent projects. She is beautiful, educated, well spoken, has her own career and money and ALL of that was before she met Harry. Together they've most made each other better.

If you look at the women who loudly and proudly talk shit about Meghan... you can see why they are mad. Jealousy makes you ugly on the inside and outside... and the outside of these women is NOT pretty.

Giving up everything (your friends and family) is a red flag. This Hollywood drama isn't what makes a healthy happy marriage.

That said, I am sure plenty of people are jealous of her, and I agree she is stunning.

Babe going no contact because your family is toxic towards you and toxic towards your spouse and kids IS NOT a red flag it's actually the healthiest response. If my family turned the toxic British press on my husband to cover their shenanigans, I would absolutely take him, my kid and leave. Period.

Harry and Meghan did the right thing and certain people will never be over it. So sad for those who cannot live in reality and waste their time spewing hate towards a woman they'll never know and who doesn't know they exist.

Some of these women would've done more for their own lives if they had focused on the elections at home (presidential in the US and Brexit in the UK) and voted their interests. Instead they stay stalking a woman who is minding her own business. Sad.

It is NOT normal to cut your whole family and social circle off. Cutting off 1 person (looking at you, Prince Andrew) or going low contact, sure. But losing your entire social circle and family wouldn't be something most therapists would recommend.

Remember Catherine's black sheep uncle who eventually went on a reality show? Even he hasn't been cut off. It is very extreme to cut multiple family members and friends off, and any good therapist will tell you this. Unfortunately today people act like that is "normal."

Also what's with the "Babe" thing?

DP here.

It's healthy to cut off people who refuse to try and understand or communicate with you as an equal. It's healthy to cut people off when they don't respect your spouse or children. I don't think it's "normal" but the dysfunction in both Harry's family and in Meghan's dad's family is also not "normal" and if they feel they need distance in order to protect themselves and their kids, that's healthy.

I'll also note that Harry actually has not cut off his family. He still sees and is friendly with his cousins and multiple of his friends from pre-Meghan. He has also spoken to his dad. It's a very strained relationship. But it's not like Harry has totally cut these people out of his life forever. He's set boundaries. That's all.

This is a very popular opinion: to “cut off” family who don’t communicate with you as a perceived “equal”.

Unpopular opinion: I disagree and think sometimes maintaining contact on your own terms is best. I was the child of an abusive father and when I became an adult, I learned to structure my visits to my parents very carefully. I didn’t stay in their house, and would visit at the house for a quick meal or meet my parents at a restaurant while I stayed with friends or in a hotel.
This was hard because I was poor as a young adult, but we all made it work.

Harry and Meghan are not poor and could easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms. They have opted to write a tell all book and try to make demands when they visit. Their version of boundaries hurt their families (both my keeping grandkids away from grandparents and cousins) and themselves rather than setting boundaries that help all. It is possible and healthier.

Again, they haven't cut off Harry's whole family. They are friends with Harry's cousins and appear to vacation with them in Portugal where their kids hang out. Harry has been back to visit more than once, including for his dad's coronation, and has spoken to him since his cancer diagnosis. No one in Harry's family has come to visit him in the US, however, and even when Will and Catherine came to the US recently, they made no effort to go see Harry and Meghan. So it actually looks like either Will and Harry have mutually decided not to interact, or Will and Catherine have cut off Harry.

Also, it's hilarious to me that you say they could "easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms" but then criticize them for trying "to make demands when they visit." Which is it? You are advocating for Harry to set boundaries with his family. Well, he's done that (again, while still maintaining contact and visiting them). Yet apparently he's still in the wrong. Why is there no expectation that Charles or William would also make an effort? It's baffling to me. This schism is quite clearly multi-sided, yet Harry (and really, Meghan) is blamed for the entire thing. As though Charles and William don't have any responsibility. Makes no sense.

Oh- I thought they were trying to stay in a certain location when Harry came for the coronation and wanted the BRF to pay for security etc during their visit. I am a very casual follower, so I could be remembering wrong.

Charles and William have like cancer/a spouse with cancer and probably can’t take off to California without it becoming a state event, so I give them a pass, but if you don’t see it that way, okay!

Actually, they wanted to pay for police protection themselves, but were told that they couldn't do that. They weren't asking the BRF for anything.

They were asking the UK Government. You cannot hire police officers to work as your armed bodyguards even if you pay for it. They wanted armed guards and only specific UK police are allowed to carry weapons. They can have unnarmed bodyguards they hire like everyone other celebrity who wants to in the UK.

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan is always going to be too much or not enough for middle aged women. It's because they envy her. Her husband gave up everything for her, he protects her and their kids, he is a family man, and he supports her independent projects. She is beautiful, educated, well spoken, has her own career and money and ALL of that was before she met Harry. Together they've most made each other better.

If you look at the women who loudly and proudly talk shit about Meghan... you can see why they are mad. Jealousy makes you ugly on the inside and outside... and the outside of these women is NOT pretty.

Giving up everything (your friends and family) is a red flag. This Hollywood drama isn't what makes a healthy happy marriage.

That said, I am sure plenty of people are jealous of her, and I agree she is stunning.

Babe going no contact because your family is toxic towards you and toxic towards your spouse and kids IS NOT a red flag it's actually the healthiest response. If my family turned the toxic British press on my husband to cover their shenanigans, I would absolutely take him, my kid and leave. Period.

Harry and Meghan did the right thing and certain people will never be over it. So sad for those who cannot live in reality and waste their time spewing hate towards a woman they'll never know and who doesn't know they exist.

Some of these women would've done more for their own lives if they had focused on the elections at home (presidential in the US and Brexit in the UK) and voted their interests. Instead they stay stalking a woman who is minding her own business. Sad.

It is NOT normal to cut your whole family and social circle off. Cutting off 1 person (looking at you, Prince Andrew) or going low contact, sure. But losing your entire social circle and family wouldn't be something most therapists would recommend.

Remember Catherine's black sheep uncle who eventually went on a reality show? Even he hasn't been cut off. It is very extreme to cut multiple family members and friends off, and any good therapist will tell you this. Unfortunately today people act like that is "normal."

Also what's with the "Babe" thing?

DP here.

It's healthy to cut off people who refuse to try and understand or communicate with you as an equal. It's healthy to cut people off when they don't respect your spouse or children. I don't think it's "normal" but the dysfunction in both Harry's family and in Meghan's dad's family is also not "normal" and if they feel they need distance in order to protect themselves and their kids, that's healthy.

I'll also note that Harry actually has not cut off his family. He still sees and is friendly with his cousins and multiple of his friends from pre-Meghan. He has also spoken to his dad. It's a very strained relationship. But it's not like Harry has totally cut these people out of his life forever. He's set boundaries. That's all.

This is a very popular opinion: to “cut off” family who don’t communicate with you as a perceived “equal”.

Unpopular opinion: I disagree and think sometimes maintaining contact on your own terms is best. I was the child of an abusive father and when I became an adult, I learned to structure my visits to my parents very carefully. I didn’t stay in their house, and would visit at the house for a quick meal or meet my parents at a restaurant while I stayed with friends or in a hotel.
This was hard because I was poor as a young adult, but we all made it work.

Harry and Meghan are not poor and could easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms. They have opted to write a tell all book and try to make demands when they visit. Their version of boundaries hurt their families (both my keeping grandkids away from grandparents and cousins) and themselves rather than setting boundaries that help all. It is possible and healthier.

Again, they haven't cut off Harry's whole family. They are friends with Harry's cousins and appear to vacation with them in Portugal where their kids hang out. Harry has been back to visit more than once, including for his dad's coronation, and has spoken to him since his cancer diagnosis. No one in Harry's family has come to visit him in the US, however, and even when Will and Catherine came to the US recently, they made no effort to go see Harry and Meghan. So it actually looks like either Will and Harry have mutually decided not to interact, or Will and Catherine have cut off Harry.

Also, it's hilarious to me that you say they could "easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms" but then criticize them for trying "to make demands when they visit." Which is it? You are advocating for Harry to set boundaries with his family. Well, he's done that (again, while still maintaining contact and visiting them). Yet apparently he's still in the wrong. Why is there no expectation that Charles or William would also make an effort? It's baffling to me. This schism is quite clearly multi-sided, yet Harry (and really, Meghan) is blamed for the entire thing. As though Charles and William don't have any responsibility. Makes no sense.

Oh- I thought they were trying to stay in a certain location when Harry came for the coronation and wanted the BRF to pay for security etc during their visit. I am a very casual follower, so I could be remembering wrong.

Charles and William have like cancer/a spouse with cancer and probably can’t take off to California without it becoming a state event, so I give them a pass, but if you don’t see it that way, okay!

Actually, they wanted to pay for police protection themselves, but were told that they couldn't do that. They weren't asking the BRF for anything.

Let's get real. Meghan is never going back there after being loudly booed by the crowd when they walked out of the cathedral in London.

Except for how she did go back a few months later? Jubilee was in June 2022, Queen’s funeral was September 2022.

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan is always going to be too much or not enough for middle aged women. It's because they envy her. Her husband gave up everything for her, he protects her and their kids, he is a family man, and he supports her independent projects. She is beautiful, educated, well spoken, has her own career and money and ALL of that was before she met Harry. Together they've most made each other better.

If you look at the women who loudly and proudly talk shit about Meghan... you can see why they are mad. Jealousy makes you ugly on the inside and outside... and the outside of these women is NOT pretty.

Giving up everything (your friends and family) is a red flag. This Hollywood drama isn't what makes a healthy happy marriage.

That said, I am sure plenty of people are jealous of her, and I agree she is stunning.

Babe going no contact because your family is toxic towards you and toxic towards your spouse and kids IS NOT a red flag it's actually the healthiest response. If my family turned the toxic British press on my husband to cover their shenanigans, I would absolutely take him, my kid and leave. Period.

Harry and Meghan did the right thing and certain people will never be over it. So sad for those who cannot live in reality and waste their time spewing hate towards a woman they'll never know and who doesn't know they exist.

Some of these women would've done more for their own lives if they had focused on the elections at home (presidential in the US and Brexit in the UK) and voted their interests. Instead they stay stalking a woman who is minding her own business. Sad.

It is NOT normal to cut your whole family and social circle off. Cutting off 1 person (looking at you, Prince Andrew) or going low contact, sure. But losing your entire social circle and family wouldn't be something most therapists would recommend.

Remember Catherine's black sheep uncle who eventually went on a reality show? Even he hasn't been cut off. It is very extreme to cut multiple family members and friends off, and any good therapist will tell you this. Unfortunately today people act like that is "normal."

Also what's with the "Babe" thing?

DP here.

It's healthy to cut off people who refuse to try and understand or communicate with you as an equal. It's healthy to cut people off when they don't respect your spouse or children. I don't think it's "normal" but the dysfunction in both Harry's family and in Meghan's dad's family is also not "normal" and if they feel they need distance in order to protect themselves and their kids, that's healthy.

I'll also note that Harry actually has not cut off his family. He still sees and is friendly with his cousins and multiple of his friends from pre-Meghan. He has also spoken to his dad. It's a very strained relationship. But it's not like Harry has totally cut these people out of his life forever. He's set boundaries. That's all.

This is a very popular opinion: to “cut off” family who don’t communicate with you as a perceived “equal”.

Unpopular opinion: I disagree and think sometimes maintaining contact on your own terms is best. I was the child of an abusive father and when I became an adult, I learned to structure my visits to my parents very carefully. I didn’t stay in their house, and would visit at the house for a quick meal or meet my parents at a restaurant while I stayed with friends or in a hotel.
This was hard because I was poor as a young adult, but we all made it work.

Harry and Meghan are not poor and could easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms. They have opted to write a tell all book and try to make demands when they visit. Their version of boundaries hurt their families (both my keeping grandkids away from grandparents and cousins) and themselves rather than setting boundaries that help all. It is possible and healthier.

How do you know they haven't tried to renew contact on their own terms? Harry tried to meet with Charles who refused a meeting. Apparently they exchange kids' Christmas gifts. And, Harry wrote the book to set the record straight because Charles, Camilla, William and Kate either gave the tabloids the ugly stories about Harry and Meghan or refused to deny the ugly stories (see the flower girl dresses).

-- somebody with an abusive sister (as in, threw me against a bookcase, for starters) who also maintains contact by structuring that contact very carefully

ITA. Harry has not been perfect but I find that understandable because his family is SO AWFUL to him. I find the whole royal family ridiculous and think most of these people would be better off, and more personally fulfilled, if they could have just had normal lives with normal jobs. Being a royal should be in the DSM-V. It's a stupid "job" and I think gives you serious mental health issues. So I actually have empathy for all of them. But Harry at least acknowledges what's awful about it publicly. Which is also what his mom did, and she is posthumously beloved for it (she got plenty of criticism for when she was alive).

I think the same will happen with Harry. 50 years from now people will look back on this whole incident and I think Harry will look like the canary in the coal mine, Meghan will look like an innocent bystander, and Charles, Camilla, William, and Kate will look like the dinosaurs they are, trying to defend an inexcusable and outdated system. And the sad thing is that Charles really did want to modernize the monarchy. But I actually think it is William standing in his way -- William and Kate want to be old style royals, where they are adored from afar and held accountable for nothing.

You can’t extrapolate what happens your regular-level dysfunctional family with the BRF. Harry has said he believes the BRF killed his mother to silence her. They have said the way the BRF works to their own members is to feed stories to the tabloids of the lower members to protect the higher ones. Harry didn’t want to deal with that. Meghan knew it was a life of public scrutiny but not one of them eating their own. It’s not a healthy way to raise kids at all.

But Meghan was right to extrapolate that her life would be great in the BRF? I just can’t buy that any woman who cares about women’s rights would think being a princess (whose job is to look attractive and be nice) isn’t a job loaded with misogynistic and imperialist overtones. It isn’t just the public scrutiny it is that within the royal family, the expectations to “be a lady’ and not buck social conventions is THE entire job. Of course it is toxic and any family member raised in it would be toxic.

Haven’t we all seen enough Disney movies to know being a princess has its down sides too? Meghan seems fairly intelligent, and for her not to be able to put that together is silly. Harry couldn’t find anyone to marry him becuase of his toxic family. Why does Meghan get a pass from you for not seeing that? You see it, why not expect her (a self proclaimed champion of women) to see it?

This is why people dislike Meghan. If you have a modicum of social intelligence you would see right though Meghan's power and status seeking intentions and subsequent behavior.

If Meghan was deeply in love with Harry, she would have understood that marrying him means marrying into the British Royal family. This means that she would access skyrocketing level of privilege and access but she would also be operating within an imperial institution that played a large role in colonial expansion of the British Empire and racism. You can even see her be reasonably OK with playing the part of a princess and getting along with his family as an extension of her love for him. She would have married him, retired queitly into the English country side and had her children and we would see photos of them at polo events and in the occasional royal engagement she and Harry were assigned.

If we were truly a socially conscious bi-racial liberal woman who cherishes her heritage and wants to use her fame to make a difference, she would not have married Harry as he is the clearest and most obvious symbol of an archaic colonialist and racist institution. They would never make it past the first date! She would have dignity and values and walk away to find someone whose values align with hers.

However, Meghan did neither! She saw Harry as castles, tiaras, priviledge and access and status. She wanted to marry him because he was the highest status man and she wanted to be his wife and get her castle and jewels and tiaras and people bowing to her. The dirty history of his family was clearly NOT a deterrent. However, once she joined the institution and realized her dreams of aggrandizement through her marriage would be heavily controlled by his family members....she wanted out!!

Then she makes an escape plan and decides to land in Montecito and sell out his family and friends to make millions of dollars so she can now cosplay as a Princess in Montecito.

She is a cheap status seeking woman who is ready to sell anyone and everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan is always going to be too much or not enough for middle aged women. It's because they envy her. Her husband gave up everything for her, he protects her and their kids, he is a family man, and he supports her independent projects. She is beautiful, educated, well spoken, has her own career and money and ALL of that was before she met Harry. Together they've most made each other better.

If you look at the women who loudly and proudly talk shit about Meghan... you can see why they are mad. Jealousy makes you ugly on the inside and outside... and the outside of these women is NOT pretty.

Giving up everything (your friends and family) is a red flag. This Hollywood drama isn't what makes a healthy happy marriage.

That said, I am sure plenty of people are jealous of her, and I agree she is stunning.

Babe going no contact because your family is toxic towards you and toxic towards your spouse and kids IS NOT a red flag it's actually the healthiest response. If my family turned the toxic British press on my husband to cover their shenanigans, I would absolutely take him, my kid and leave. Period.

Harry and Meghan did the right thing and certain people will never be over it. So sad for those who cannot live in reality and waste their time spewing hate towards a woman they'll never know and who doesn't know they exist.

Some of these women would've done more for their own lives if they had focused on the elections at home (presidential in the US and Brexit in the UK) and voted their interests. Instead they stay stalking a woman who is minding her own business. Sad.

It is NOT normal to cut your whole family and social circle off. Cutting off 1 person (looking at you, Prince Andrew) or going low contact, sure. But losing your entire social circle and family wouldn't be something most therapists would recommend.

Remember Catherine's black sheep uncle who eventually went on a reality show? Even he hasn't been cut off. It is very extreme to cut multiple family members and friends off, and any good therapist will tell you this. Unfortunately today people act like that is "normal."

Also what's with the "Babe" thing?

DP here.

It's healthy to cut off people who refuse to try and understand or communicate with you as an equal. It's healthy to cut people off when they don't respect your spouse or children. I don't think it's "normal" but the dysfunction in both Harry's family and in Meghan's dad's family is also not "normal" and if they feel they need distance in order to protect themselves and their kids, that's healthy.

I'll also note that Harry actually has not cut off his family. He still sees and is friendly with his cousins and multiple of his friends from pre-Meghan. He has also spoken to his dad. It's a very strained relationship. But it's not like Harry has totally cut these people out of his life forever. He's set boundaries. That's all.

This is a very popular opinion: to “cut off” family who don’t communicate with you as a perceived “equal”.

Unpopular opinion: I disagree and think sometimes maintaining contact on your own terms is best. I was the child of an abusive father and when I became an adult, I learned to structure my visits to my parents very carefully. I didn’t stay in their house, and would visit at the house for a quick meal or meet my parents at a restaurant while I stayed with friends or in a hotel.
This was hard because I was poor as a young adult, but we all made it work.

Harry and Meghan are not poor and could easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms. They have opted to write a tell all book and try to make demands when they visit. Their version of boundaries hurt their families (both my keeping grandkids away from grandparents and cousins) and themselves rather than setting boundaries that help all. It is possible and healthier.

Again, they haven't cut off Harry's whole family. They are friends with Harry's cousins and appear to vacation with them in Portugal where their kids hang out. Harry has been back to visit more than once, including for his dad's coronation, and has spoken to him since his cancer diagnosis. No one in Harry's family has come to visit him in the US, however, and even when Will and Catherine came to the US recently, they made no effort to go see Harry and Meghan. So it actually looks like either Will and Harry have mutually decided not to interact, or Will and Catherine have cut off Harry.

Also, it's hilarious to me that you say they could "easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms" but then criticize them for trying "to make demands when they visit." Which is it? You are advocating for Harry to set boundaries with his family. Well, he's done that (again, while still maintaining contact and visiting them). Yet apparently he's still in the wrong. Why is there no expectation that Charles or William would also make an effort? It's baffling to me. This schism is quite clearly multi-sided, yet Harry (and really, Meghan) is blamed for the entire thing. As though Charles and William don't have any responsibility. Makes no sense.

Oh- I thought they were trying to stay in a certain location when Harry came for the coronation and wanted the BRF to pay for security etc during their visit. I am a very casual follower, so I could be remembering wrong.

Charles and William have like cancer/a spouse with cancer and probably can’t take off to California without it becoming a state event, so I give them a pass, but if you don’t see it that way, okay!

Actually, they wanted to pay for police protection themselves, but were told that they couldn't do that. They weren't asking the BRF for anything.

You’re a liar. The issue, and it was broadly reported, is that Harry wanted to pay the police - a public service - for his security, and have access to government security, to secret/security records, and hijack public services for his self-serving whims. He wanted to feel important after quitting his public-facing role and swan about with the Met Police flanking him as a private citizen. No one does this. He’s a POS and I’m sure Meghan on some level feels contempt for him (he’s dumb, less liquid than she assumed, he’s lazy) even though she managed to get married and set courtesy of His Idiotic A$$.

People who take with a single note of seriousness Harry’s apparent belief that Granny cut the brakes to murder poor Mummy in a Parisian tunnel need help. He’s a broken-brained addict who cannot grow up. His mother would be alive if she wore a seat belt and didn’t get into a car with a drunk driver. He is not important. Neither is his wife.

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Anonymous wrote:Meghan is always going to be too much or not enough for middle aged women. It's because they envy her. Her husband gave up everything for her, he protects her and their kids, he is a family man, and he supports her independent projects. She is beautiful, educated, well spoken, has her own career and money and ALL of that was before she met Harry. Together they've most made each other better.

If you look at the women who loudly and proudly talk shit about Meghan... you can see why they are mad. Jealousy makes you ugly on the inside and outside... and the outside of these women is NOT pretty.

Giving up everything (your friends and family) is a red flag. This Hollywood drama isn't what makes a healthy happy marriage.

That said, I am sure plenty of people are jealous of her, and I agree she is stunning.

Babe going no contact because your family is toxic towards you and toxic towards your spouse and kids IS NOT a red flag it's actually the healthiest response. If my family turned the toxic British press on my husband to cover their shenanigans, I would absolutely take him, my kid and leave. Period.

Harry and Meghan did the right thing and certain people will never be over it. So sad for those who cannot live in reality and waste their time spewing hate towards a woman they'll never know and who doesn't know they exist.

Some of these women would've done more for their own lives if they had focused on the elections at home (presidential in the US and Brexit in the UK) and voted their interests. Instead they stay stalking a woman who is minding her own business. Sad.

It is NOT normal to cut your whole family and social circle off. Cutting off 1 person (looking at you, Prince Andrew) or going low contact, sure. But losing your entire social circle and family wouldn't be something most therapists would recommend.

Remember Catherine's black sheep uncle who eventually went on a reality show? Even he hasn't been cut off. It is very extreme to cut multiple family members and friends off, and any good therapist will tell you this. Unfortunately today people act like that is "normal."

Also what's with the "Babe" thing?

DP here.

It's healthy to cut off people who refuse to try and understand or communicate with you as an equal. It's healthy to cut people off when they don't respect your spouse or children. I don't think it's "normal" but the dysfunction in both Harry's family and in Meghan's dad's family is also not "normal" and if they feel they need distance in order to protect themselves and their kids, that's healthy.

I'll also note that Harry actually has not cut off his family. He still sees and is friendly with his cousins and multiple of his friends from pre-Meghan. He has also spoken to his dad. It's a very strained relationship. But it's not like Harry has totally cut these people out of his life forever. He's set boundaries. That's all.

This is a very popular opinion: to “cut off” family who don’t communicate with you as a perceived “equal”.

Unpopular opinion: I disagree and think sometimes maintaining contact on your own terms is best. I was the child of an abusive father and when I became an adult, I learned to structure my visits to my parents very carefully. I didn’t stay in their house, and would visit at the house for a quick meal or meet my parents at a restaurant while I stayed with friends or in a hotel.
This was hard because I was poor as a young adult, but we all made it work.

Harry and Meghan are not poor and could easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms. They have opted to write a tell all book and try to make demands when they visit. Their version of boundaries hurt their families (both my keeping grandkids away from grandparents and cousins) and themselves rather than setting boundaries that help all. It is possible and healthier.

Again, they haven't cut off Harry's whole family. They are friends with Harry's cousins and appear to vacation with them in Portugal where their kids hang out. Harry has been back to visit more than once, including for his dad's coronation, and has spoken to him since his cancer diagnosis. No one in Harry's family has come to visit him in the US, however, and even when Will and Catherine came to the US recently, they made no effort to go see Harry and Meghan. So it actually looks like either Will and Harry have mutually decided not to interact, or Will and Catherine have cut off Harry.

Also, it's hilarious to me that you say they could "easily structure visits with the family on their own time and terms" but then criticize them for trying "to make demands when they visit." Which is it? You are advocating for Harry to set boundaries with his family. Well, he's done that (again, while still maintaining contact and visiting them). Yet apparently he's still in the wrong. Why is there no expectation that Charles or William would also make an effort? It's baffling to me. This schism is quite clearly multi-sided, yet Harry (and really, Meghan) is blamed for the entire thing. As though Charles and William don't have any responsibility. Makes no sense.

Oh- I thought they were trying to stay in a certain location when Harry came for the coronation and wanted the BRF to pay for security etc during their visit. I am a very casual follower, so I could be remembering wrong.

Charles and William have like cancer/a spouse with cancer and probably can’t take off to California without it becoming a state event, so I give them a pass, but if you don’t see it that way, okay!

Actually, they wanted to pay for police protection themselves, but were told that they couldn't do that. They weren't asking the BRF for anything.

Let's get real. Meghan is never going back there after being loudly booed by the crowd when they walked out of the cathedral in London.

Except for how she did go back a few months later? Jubilee was in June 2022, Queen’s funeral was September 2022.

The point is that once she was loudly booed walking out of a cathedral in London she is not going to go back and walk out of an event in London where a lot of people are present. She is happy to represent Sussex from her plush home in Montecito.