Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

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Anonymous wrote: Every dictatorship comes with an expiration date . The small Russian despot has no way out of the sh!thole he's dug himself in .

Yes, because he's now ruling entirely by fear. He has ordered any oligarch in position of power who voices the least doubt, thrown out of windows or otherwise assassinated, to avoid a coup d'etat. His new laws restricting freedom of speech have pulled tons of people into jail, some of whom were sent to the front to fight. An entire generation of young men is being traumatized in Ukraine, because they are being forced to kill innocent people.

Russians hate Putin. But they've never had an uprising that turned out well for them in their history, so they're not about to mount a revolution now. But when Putin inevitably weakens, he will die and Russians won't mourn him.

You are not entirely correct. The Russians have no special love for Putin but that's not the reason there won't be a revolution. The reason is that life in Russia is not so bad if you have a job, a place to live, a family and all the creature comforts. They don't care about political restrictions because most of them don't have an interest in politics.

You are describing pre 2022. It’s becoming much more real for many more people now. It’s like watching a train wreck. People who were oblivious are now, ahem, worried.
-DP

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Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

History shows the retreating side blows the dam.

That would be Russia. They're spent, have made no significant progress in 8 months, whereas the Ukrainians are replenished and ready to go on the offensive.

Remember when the US fought a twenty year war in Afghanistan and in the end nothing changed.

So far, this Ukraine war is almost ten years on... why not another ten?

The reason nothing changed in Afghanistan was because the us wasn’t willing to do what the Chinese do in xinjiang.

It wasn’t a capability issue but an issue of will/resolve and self imposed guardrails

Ukraine will grind on for a decade more because neither side has the capability.

In other words, the US will make sure Ukraine goes back to the stone age.

Great job Biden lads.

The US is not running this war or Ukraine.

The US is not running the war, just providing the money, equipment, logistical support, intelligence, satellites, rules of engagement and strategy. The war is over in two weeks if the US bows out.

In that scenario, millions of Ukrainians are killed under Russia goal of genocide.

Why is this a good thing, comrade?

Russia has never said it wanted to exterminate Ukrainians, and their actions within occupied territories are not consistent with genocidal intent. But I understand you need to believe that.

I am sure that Russia would prefer that Ukrainians simply accept their subservient status as part of the Russian empire. But given that Ukraine is not going to surrender, Russia believes that it has no choice but to commit genocide.

https://www.justsecurity.org/81789/russias-eliminationist-rhetoric-against-ukraine-a-collection/

Rhetoric means nothing. I mean the US says it's all about democracy and human rights, but their international posture and choice of friends speaks otherwise, don't you think?

Look at actions, not words.

The Russian Government and military are guilty of War Crimes, chooses North Korea, Iraq and other dictatorships as "friends", so what does that make Russia? Besides, according to Shoigu, Russia is doing just fine.

"The attempts at an offensive were thwarted, the enemy was stopped," he added. "The enemy did not achieve its goals but suffered significant and incomparable losses."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-shoigu-ukraines-counter-offensive-155226283.html

If Shoigu is right, then you shouldn't need to post anymore! Actions are what matter. Go do something else. Go back to work! Have fun! Drink some Vodka and toast Russia's victory!

I think you use too few exclamation points. Use more! That'll make you sound more passionate.

So you're saying it's bad to count dictatorships amongst friends? Very well. I'm going to tune into the DOS briefing to hear them say they are severing relations with KSA, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar and Bahrain. Khalas. No more trade, no more weapons trading, no more oil, no more nothing. They are dictators and dictators cannot be our friends.

Cue "well THAT"s different."

Meh, we criticize those regimes all the time for human rights stuff. That's not a reason to accept russian barbarity. Or maybe we're just racist? Isn't that what you usually say? That it's ok for brown people to be authoritarian but not white. The Dagestanis need to be ruled with an iron fist otherwise they'll just rape and murder each other.

But as much as this is a lovely distraction let's not lose sight of what we're talking about. russia invaded Ukraine in a war of imperial conquest with express goal of erasing Ukraine and Ukrainian identity from history. russia has committed mass war crimes and crimes against humanity as part of this effort. russia has also committed hilarious acts of corruption and incompetency that have made it the laughingstock of the world. Nevertheless despite the odds being greatly against them Ukraine has perservered, still stands, and is making gains as we speak. Meanwhile russia is in disarray, panicking, and destroying its own future for nothing.

Your non capitalized spelling of a country name kinda gives you away…

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Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

History shows the retreating side blows the dam.

That would be Russia. They're spent, have made no significant progress in 8 months, whereas the Ukrainians are replenished and ready to go on the offensive.

Remember when the US fought a twenty year war in Afghanistan and in the end nothing changed.

So far, this Ukraine war is almost ten years on... why not another ten?

The reason nothing changed in Afghanistan was because the us wasn’t willing to do what the Chinese do in xinjiang.

It wasn’t a capability issue but an issue of will/resolve and self imposed guardrails

Ukraine will grind on for a decade more because neither side has the capability.

In other words, the US will make sure Ukraine goes back to the stone age.

Great job Biden lads.

The US is not running this war or Ukraine.

The US is not running the war, just providing the money, equipment, logistical support, intelligence, satellites, rules of engagement and strategy. The war is over in two weeks if the US bows out.

^ bot spewing moral lowering propaganda designed to grind down and influence others to simply “give in” to the invasion. Fk off.

That's the truth, not propaganda. Without the Western weapons, money and materiel, the war would have been over quickly. I don't know why you argue with the obvious.

Dp- Right… that’s right. I remember Russia taking Kiev in 3 days 😂

+1 I remember listening to Radio Sputnik on 2/24/2022. They said the defeat of Ukraine was a fait accompli. There was no use discussing whether the invasion was right or wrong. It has simply happened, and now the only question was how do we adjust to a world without Ukraine.

If the West was confident that Ukraine would prevail by itself, they wouldn't be sending weapons.

We are sending weapons just because it is fun. Have you watched the videos of Russian stuff getting blown up? They are hilarious!

It is our past time since most major sports are just about done here and in Europe.

You're a sicko. They're definitely not hilarious. I don't care who it is... getting blown apart, burned alive, dismembered, etc. is never hilarious.

Lots of sick stuff like that in Ukrainian language groups and forums. Understandable I guess but…

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Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

History shows the retreating side blows the dam.

That would be Russia. They're spent, have made no significant progress in 8 months, whereas the Ukrainians are replenished and ready to go on the offensive.

Remember when the US fought a twenty year war in Afghanistan and in the end nothing changed.

So far, this Ukraine war is almost ten years on... why not another ten?

The reason nothing changed in Afghanistan was because the us wasn’t willing to do what the Chinese do in xinjiang.

It wasn’t a capability issue but an issue of will/resolve and self imposed guardrails

Ukraine will grind on for a decade more because neither side has the capability.

In other words, the US will make sure Ukraine goes back to the stone age.

Great job Biden lads.

The US is not running this war or Ukraine.

The US is not running the war, just providing the money, equipment, logistical support, intelligence, satellites, rules of engagement and strategy. The war is over in two weeks if the US bows out.

In that scenario, millions of Ukrainians are killed under Russia goal of genocide.

Why is this a good thing, comrade?

Russia has never said it wanted to exterminate Ukrainians, and their actions within occupied territories are not consistent with genocidal intent. But I understand you need to believe that.

I am sure that Russia would prefer that Ukrainians simply accept their subservient status as part of the Russian empire. But given that Ukraine is not going to surrender, Russia believes that it has no choice but to commit genocide.

https://www.justsecurity.org/81789/russias-eliminationist-rhetoric-against-ukraine-a-collection/

Rhetoric means nothing. I mean the US says it's all about democracy and human rights, but their international posture and choice of friends speaks otherwise, don't you think?

Look at actions, not words.

The Russian Government and military are guilty of War Crimes, chooses North Korea, Iraq and other dictatorships as "friends", so what does that make Russia? Besides, according to Shoigu, Russia is doing just fine.

"The attempts at an offensive were thwarted, the enemy was stopped," he added. "The enemy did not achieve its goals but suffered significant and incomparable losses."
https://www.yahoo.com/news/russias-shoigu-ukraines-counter-offensive-155226283.html

If Shoigu is right, then you shouldn't need to post anymore! Actions are what matter. Go do something else. Go back to work! Have fun! Drink some Vodka and toast Russia's victory!

I think you use too few exclamation points. Use more! That'll make you sound more passionate.

So you're saying it's bad to count dictatorships amongst friends? Very well. I'm going to tune into the DOS briefing to hear them say they are severing relations with KSA, Kuwait, UAE, Qatar and Bahrain. Khalas. No more trade, no more weapons trading, no more oil, no more nothing. They are dictators and dictators cannot be our friends.

Cue "well THAT"s different."

Do you know what's the difference between Gulf State Arabs and russians? Indoor plumbing

As long as the autocratic country has toilets it's ok.

russia, Afghanistan and North Korea: no toilets = bad
Saudi Arabia, Qatar and China: toilets = good

I feel sorry for the itinerant Bangladeshis and Phillippinos in the Gulf States because the russians are about to take all their menial jobs.

"Because they have toilets" seems like a really dumb take. It's much more about whether they actually work with and cooperate with the West on mutual aims or not. Russia and North Korea not so much lately.

Isn't that what I said upthread? Democracy, human rights, that's unimportant. What's important? Compliance.

This is very true. No problem with the Russians even, while they were compliant. Now they are a problem.

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Who are the Nazis in Ukraine?

We could start with the people who tried to assassinate the Chief Rabbi of Ukraine while he was trying to help evacuated flooded families.

Hint: It's the Russians. And, what kind of sick bastards would fire at civilians trying to evacuate from a flood?

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Anonymous wrote:Russia didn’t blow up its own pipeline and it didn’t blow up its own dam either.

Russia blew up the dam...it is their way of screwing Ukraine on the way out.

Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? Ok they may well have done it and it makes me worried about the nuclear power plant! That’s what matters and not whodunnit

Russia has been thinking about it, they even stored explosives and ammunition at the ZNPP. And Russia will also get plenty of the radioactive fallout if they do blow it up. But then again, they don't care. They don't care about Russians in Crimea, they don't care about Russians in Belgorod, they didn't care about Russian troops getting sick and burned digging trenches in the radioactive soil of Chernobyl. The Kremlin is nothing but a bunch of sick delusional sociopaths drunk on their own power and their own hubris, and it's all just some sick and demented game to them. And the sooner the average Russian wakes up and understands this, the better.

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Anonymous wrote:I still don’t get all the toadies for Russia on here. Ukraine was attacked, unprovoked, and there are many sycophants cheering on the aggressor. Or glibly throwing shade a Ukrainian efforts to save their country. What gives?

And spare me the “we just want peace!” Pacifist folks who seem to be onboard with unilateral occupation of Ukraine by Russia.

Toadies? Are people here really cheering on Russia? This isn't a fan forum. Some people are just trying to assess things as they see it. That doesn't mean they love Russia or Russians. Ukraine couldn't end a minor rebellion. It's reasonable to assume victory is not inevitable, at least any time soon.

Lots of people would also rather avoid a great-power confrontation and all the consequences foreseeable and unforeseeable that would come from it. At the end of the day whether some Russians pay their taxes to Moscow or Kiev isn't really that big of a deal, and not one to risk a major conflict over.

Yes, I am sure it’s true for my distant relatives in ukraine. The most ire is coming from Ukrainian expats on my circle. People on the ground want to be left alone

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Anonymous wrote:It is in americas best interest for Russia to escalate the war. Nuclear or not; Russia is a wounded animal that we can put off of the world’s misery and send a strong message to China.

Kind of sorry for the Russian people (but not really); saw video of a Russian being eaten by a shark off the coast of Egypt and normally that freaks me out to see that - but since it was a Russian my standards have changed.

Decimating russia may save American lives against China.

Now this pre-closing paragraph is crazy. The 23 yo wasn’t supporting the war I am pretty sure.

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Anonymous wrote:I read there were wargames with America where Ukraine blew up the dam to stop the Soviets.

People on here were talking about an inevitable Ukraine counteroffensive that would push Russia back. If this counteroffensive failed, then blowing the dam would stop Russia from going further after beating the counteroffensive.

History shows the retreating side blows the dam.

That would be Russia. They're spent, have made no significant progress in 8 months, whereas the Ukrainians are replenished and ready to go on the offensive.

Remember when the US fought a twenty year war in Afghanistan and in the end nothing changed.

So far, this Ukraine war is almost ten years on... why not another ten?

The reason nothing changed in Afghanistan was because the us wasn’t willing to do what the Chinese do in xinjiang.

It wasn’t a capability issue but an issue of will/resolve and self imposed guardrails

Ukraine will grind on for a decade more because neither side has the capability.

In other words, the US will make sure Ukraine goes back to the stone age.

Great job Biden lads.

The US is not running this war or Ukraine.

The US is not running the war, just providing the money, equipment, logistical support, intelligence, satellites, rules of engagement and strategy. The war is over in two weeks if the US bows out.

^ bot spewing moral lowering propaganda designed to grind down and influence others to simply “give in” to the invasion. Fk off.

That's the truth, not propaganda. Without the Western weapons, money and materiel, the war would have been over quickly. I don't know why you argue with the obvious.

Dp- Right… that’s right. I remember Russia taking Kiev in 3 days 😂

+1 I remember listening to Radio Sputnik on 2/24/2022. They said the defeat of Ukraine was a fait accompli. There was no use discussing whether the invasion was right or wrong. It has simply happened, and now the only question was how do we adjust to a world without Ukraine.

If the West was confident that Ukraine would prevail by itself, they wouldn't be sending weapons.

We are sending weapons just because it is fun. Have you watched the videos of Russian stuff getting blown up? They are hilarious!

It is our past time since most major sports are just about done here and in Europe.

You're a sicko. They're definitely not hilarious. I don't care who it is... getting blown apart, burned alive, dismembered, etc. is never hilarious.

Lots of sick stuff like that in Ukrainian language groups and forums. Understandable I guess but…

DP. The Russians are running death squad and shipping children who they don’t kill off to who knows where but it’s sick to talk about killing Russians? Sure.

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Anonymous wrote:Despite anything Russian media claims, there are numerous reports of the Free Russia Legion still marauding throughout southern Belgorod Oblast, still in control of a few villages almost a week in, still destroying Russian military equipment and warehouses. And along with it, reports of the oblast descending into anarchy, with looting and other things going on. People are starting to wonder if the Kremlin even cares about anyone outside of Moscow.

Of course they don’t care and people know it! Have known forever.
It’s just hard to accept, like “mommy doesn’t love you”. Now they are reminded of the harsh truth.
I don’t know if the Shebekino ordeal has any bearing on the overall conflict though, in the grand scheme of things

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Anonymous wrote: Every dictatorship comes with an expiration date . The small Russian despot has no way out of the sh!thole he's dug himself in .

Does it? The Al-Saud is doing quite well. And America is delighted with it. Same with Al-Sabah, Al-Khalifah, Al-Maktoum.

And even if we take the ones not supported by the US, N Korea and Cuba has been holding up for decades

Oh sure... North Korea's a real paradise. And Cuba... I guess at least you could say they don't have any oligarchs in Cuba... /s

* /s means sarcasm for you foreign trolls. You're being mocked. And rightly so.

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Anonymous wrote:Russia didn’t blow up its own pipeline and it didn’t blow up its own dam either.

Russia blew up the dam...it is their way of screwing Ukraine on the way out.

Does it really matter in the grand scheme of things? Ok they may well have done it and it makes me worried about the nuclear power plant! That’s what matters and not whodunnit

Russia has been thinking about it, they even stored explosives and ammunition at the ZNPP. And Russia will also get plenty of the radioactive fallout if they do blow it up. But then again, they don't care. They don't care about Russians in Crimea, they don't care about Russians in Belgorod, they didn't care about Russian troops getting sick and burned digging trenches in the radioactive soil of Chernobyl. The Kremlin is nothing but a bunch of sick delusional sociopaths drunk on their own power and their own hubris, and it's all just some sick and demented game to them. And the sooner the average Russian wakes up and understands this, the better.

Oh trust me Russians understand it! They can’t accept the hard truth though, and so they won’t change anything. Throw in the 90s trauma and boom.
So who will think of Europe that will inevitably get the fallout if Chernobyl 2.0 happens?

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Anonymous wrote: Every dictatorship comes with an expiration date . The small Russian despot has no way out of the sh!thole he's dug himself in .

Does it? The Al-Saud is doing quite well. And America is delighted with it. Same with Al-Sabah, Al-Khalifah, Al-Maktoum.

And even if we take the ones not supported by the US, N Korea and Cuba has been holding up for decades

Oh sure... North Korea's a real paradise. And Cuba... I guess at least you could say they don't have any oligarchs in Cuba... /s

* /s means sarcasm for you foreign trolls. You're being mocked. And rightly so.

What I mean is that there was no regime change.
I am not using toilets as the definition of success. Just the regime that’s still there.

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Anonymous wrote:Despite anything Russian media claims, there are numerous reports of the Free Russia Legion still marauding throughout southern Belgorod Oblast, still in control of a few villages almost a week in, still destroying Russian military equipment and warehouses. And along with it, reports of the oblast descending into anarchy, with looting and other things going on. People are starting to wonder if the Kremlin even cares about anyone outside of Moscow.

Of course they don’t care and people know it! Have known forever.
It’s just hard to accept, like “mommy doesn’t love you”. Now they are reminded of the harsh truth.
I don’t know if the Shebekino ordeal has any bearing on the overall conflict though, in the grand scheme of things

On one hand it's a play to see if Russia relocates troops to secure its own damn border. If they don't, it shows they are overextended and can't even protect themselves, let alone wage war on someone else. And the longer it goes on, the more it shows the emperor Putin has no clothes. And, some of the folks in Bashkort and many other places are taking note of it.

The big lie was that as "One Russia" the Russian Federation would protect all. The truth of it was more like the Russian Federation would keep everyone in line by threat. But if they can't even deal with some bunch of goons in Belgorod their ability to threaten is rapidly drying up.

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Anonymous wrote: Every dictatorship comes with an expiration date . The small Russian despot has no way out of the sh!thole he's dug himself in .

Does it? The Al-Saud is doing quite well. And America is delighted with it. Same with Al-Sabah, Al-Khalifah, Al-Maktoum.

And even if we take the ones not supported by the US, N Korea and Cuba has been holding up for decades

Oh sure... North Korea's a real paradise. And Cuba... I guess at least you could say they don't have any oligarchs in Cuba... /s

* /s means sarcasm for you foreign trolls. You're being mocked. And rightly so.

What I mean is that there was no regime change.
I am not using toilets as the definition of success. Just the regime that’s still there.

I certainly hope we've moved on from that dumb "has toilets versus does not have toilets" notion that surfaced here a day or two ago.