Malaysia Airlines Flight Goes Missing En Route to China

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn't record everything.It overwrites and only saves the last 2 hours

The 2 PPs are talking about different things. The black box voice recorder only keeps the last 2 hours. The other part records thousands of data points about the plane for the entire trip, I understand.

Yes, by "records everything" I meant it records a ton of operational data. That should be enough to give us an idea of what happened.

I don't think that's enough. If they find that this was deliberate , they will just blame the pilots. How do we know he wasnt forced into it? How do we know it wasn't someone else in the cockpit? The only way to know is to have a recording of what people are saying in the cockpit. It s crazy that nobody thought about this and that people thought recording just 2 hours is enough. We have the technology to wiretap civilians for hours and days but can only record 2 hours of voice in the cockpit? That's insane

The Flight Data Recorder (aka FDR or "black box") records inputs & data from most of the airplane's systems. It has a continuous loop of about 20 hours, give or take 20%. For most cases, this is adequate for determining a cause (when taken in conjunction with other evidence).

The Cockpit Voice Recorder, or CVR, is actually only required to store 30 min of sound data, but most modern systems can store around 2 hours. Why not longer? Two reasons: 1) the airlines don't want to spend money to upgrade their systems every few years as the technology improves - after all, it's already capable of 4 times the legal requirement, and 2) the pilot unions have long fought against longer recording times - they don't want the pilots to be subjected to hours and hours of recordings that the airlines could conceivably use for disciplining pilots, etc. The unions have a lot of power, and are solely focused on protecting the pilots. There is a similar controversy over video recording in the cockpit - airlines and safety experts would love it, but the unions won't allow it.

I'm not a union-basher in general, I've been a union member (different industry) and understand many of the benefits. But I strongly disagree with the pilots' unions on this point. If one good thing can come from this accident, perhaps it will be a change to these rules.

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Anonymous wrote:Just popping in, have not read most of the 130 pages so excuse me in advance if this has been rattled around already.

I think it is SO odd that they keep saying "floating debris" for a plane that they have no proof of actually crashing into the ocean. And everytime someone goes out to investigate "said debris", there is not trace of it?!?

Now I'm reading that experts - one in particular that studies litter in oceans and he's saying its merely "trash/litter/garbage" and that several freighters lose their "freight" in the ocean all the time due to rough seas.

And NO I am not a birther or a conspiracy theorist. I just find this so odd and pieces are not adding up.

+1 I don't understand how they can declare that it crashed in the Indian Ocean if they still can't find ANY debris from the actual plane or its contents. Things aren't adding up here!

Agree. The "likely" scenario that is emerging is that the lead pilot was depressed or disgruntled enough to set into action an incredibly complex and devious plan to incapacitate his co-pilot, incapacitate or fool 239 passengers, switch off all systems, and fly under radar for seven hours to ensure that no communication is made to anyone to reach without intervention or detection the most desolate and most inhospitable part of the ocean in which to crash to ensure that any evidence that this ever happened is never collected. If we are to believe this, then my next question is why did this guy turn out to be just a commercial airline pilot? He should have been ruling the world.

Of all the information that has come out about the pilot or the co-pilot, no one has talked about what absolute geniuses they are.

My DH has been convinced for a while now that the pilot was responsible for this. Based on the fact that he specifically flew a route to not be detected by radar and flew to one of the most remote places in the world to crash the plane knowing that it would be incredibly difficult for anyone to find evidence of the plane - kind of like he just wanted to plane to disappear. It was so diabolical and god knows what was going on in his mind to do this. I just wonder what he was doing in the cockpit for all those hours before the crash, unless he made his last turn toward the Indian Ocean and then took his own life in the cockpit somehow and let the plane fly on autopilot until it ran out of fuel.

[Anonymous]

Breaking news - back to square one. New data has determined that the search area is actually 685 miles north east from where all the search planes have been looking. So all that debris that the satellites have been focusing on are not related to the plane crash. This is getting so bizarre.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Breaking news - back to square one. New data has determined that the search area is actually 685 miles north east from where all the search planes have been looking. So all that debris that the satellites have been focusing on are not related to the plane crash. This is getting so bizarre.

I thought you were joking until I checked out CNN. WTF?????

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When men commit suicide, they do it in a quick and lethal way. It seems odd that a man would wait and fly around for 7 hours to do it.

Not odd to me.

Quiet time to think. Seeing the sunrise one last time. Flying, since it's what you love.
Revenge. Costing the world and your government millions. Destroys your former employer. Your government looses face in front of the world. Creating a real mystery. (Don't forget, if it wasn't for the entertainment system on board, we still would not be looking in the right place!) Accomplishing a vanishing act the world has never seen.
Glimpsing Antarctica once from the distance?

Who knows?

Never underestimate a sick mind!!!!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When men commit suicide, they do it in a quick and lethal way. It seems odd that a man would wait and fly around for 7 hours to do it.

Not odd to me.

Quiet time to think. Seeing the sunrise one last time. Flying, since it's what you love.
Revenge. Costing the world and your government millions. Destroys your former employer. Your government looses face in front of the world. Creating a real mystery. (Don't forget, if it wasn't for the entertainment system on board, we still would not be looking in the right place!) Accomplishing a vanishing act the world has never seen.
Glimpsing Antarctica once from the distance?

Who knows?

Never underestimate a sick mind!!!!

But what did he do with the crew and the passengers during his "last" flight?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When men commit suicide, they do it in a quick and lethal way. It seems odd that a man would wait and fly around for 7 hours to do it.

Not odd to me.

Quiet time to think. Seeing the sunrise one last time. Flying, since it's what you love.
Revenge. Costing the world and your government millions. Destroys your former employer. Your government looses face in front of the world. Creating a real mystery. (Don't forget, if it wasn't for the entertainment system on board, we still would not be looking in the right place!) Accomplishing a vanishing act the world has never seen.
Glimpsing Antarctica once from the distance?

Who knows?

Never underestimate a sick mind!!!!

But what did he do with the crew and the passengers during his "last" flight?

They were unconscious or dead at that point. Or, worse, desperately tried to get into the cockpit.

It's horrible.

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Yeah, the suicide theory has never made sense to me either.

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Creating a real mystery. (Don't forget, if it wasn't for the entertainment system on board, we still would not be looking in the right place!) Accomplishing a vanishing act the world has never seen.

In fact , if it wasn't for Inmarsat, and that 'handshake' with the satellite, which likely no one on board was aware of, this would be a true vanishing act! We wouldn't even know where to look on the planet, after the plane had vanished of the primary radar. No person would analyze these satellite images in the Southern Indian Ocean. The search would still be focused somewhere else!

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I'm now convinced they will never find the plane.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When men commit suicide, they do it in a quick and lethal way. It seems odd that a man would wait and fly around for 7 hours to do it.

Not odd to me.

Quiet time to think. Seeing the sunrise one last time. Flying, since it's what you love.
Revenge. Costing the world and your government millions. Destroys your former employer. Your government looses face in front of the world. Creating a real mystery. (Don't forget, if it wasn't for the entertainment system on board, we still would not be looking in the right place!) Accomplishing a vanishing act the world has never seen.
Glimpsing Antarctica once from the distance?

Who knows?

Never underestimate a sick mind!!!!

+1000

[Anonymous]

Depression severe enough to commit suicide is not compatible with a diabolical plan that takes 7 hours to unfold.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Breaking news - back to square one. New data has determined that the search area is actually 685 miles north east from where all the search planes have been looking. So all that debris that the satellites have been focusing on are not related to the plane crash. This is getting so bizarre.

...which is exactly what I've been saying all along. This story is far from over.

[Anonymous]

5 planes spotted various objects in today's search. They got pictures so hopefully they can positively identify at least something from the plane.
https://www.amsa.gov.au/media/documents/28032014MH370Media_Update25.pdf

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Breaking news - back to square one. New data has determined that the search area is actually 685 miles north east from where all the search planes have been looking. So all that debris that the satellites have been focusing on are not related to the plane crash. This is getting so bizarre.

Girlfriend, this has been bizarre!