Fierce competition for Fall 2021 admissions, if lots of current seniors defer?

[Anonymous]

If you are wondering about foreign students, I happen to know that colleges are actively recruiting from all continents and countries, for the record. This does not bode well for deferrals, at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is stressing their kid out except the parents who insist on the ritualistic stuff, that won't matter in six months.

Maybe in your world the parents rely on "4 SATs" or sports, which you have cited, but not in my world.

And the academics are not fair, because everyone is getting a boost, but the smart kids. How on earth it that fair? Hint: it is not.

Do you know whether that's happening? Hopefully teachers won't do that. They have an increased role to play to separate out the A students from B students. Colleges will rely more on HS transcript.

Not PP, but many high schools have gone to P/F or intentional grade inflation for this semester, each of which have different consequences. I think the bottom line is that colleges won't rely much on second semester junior yr grades.

If second semester junior year grades are taken with a massive grain of salt or not counted at all, the upward-trend, late-bloomer student may not have enough grades on the transcript for EA/ED1. Maybe they get deferred to RD?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is stressing their kid out except the parents who insist on the ritualistic stuff, that won't matter in six months.

Maybe in your world the parents rely on "4 SATs" or sports, which you have cited, but not in my world.

And the academics are not fair, because everyone is getting a boost, but the smart kids. How on earth it that fair? Hint: it is not.

Do you know whether that's happening? Hopefully teachers won't do that. They have an increased role to play to separate out the A students from B students. Colleges will rely more on HS transcript.

Not PP, but many high schools have gone to P/F or intentional grade inflation for this semester, each of which have different consequences. I think the bottom line is that colleges won't rely much on second semester junior yr grades.

If second semester junior year grades are taken with a massive grain of salt or not counted at all, the upward-trend, late-bloomer student may not have enough grades on the transcript for EA/ED1. Maybe they get deferred to RD?

HS transcript only shows the final grade, not semester grade. Colleges won't see a breakdown of first and second semester grade for junior year. The intentional grade inflation will be an issue for colleges to sort out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is stressing their kid out except the parents who insist on the ritualistic stuff, that won't matter in six months.

Maybe in your world the parents rely on "4 SATs" or sports, which you have cited, but not in my world.

And the academics are not fair, because everyone is getting a boost, but the smart kids. How on earth it that fair? Hint: it is not.

Do you know whether that's happening? Hopefully teachers won't do that. They have an increased role to play to separate out the A students from B students. Colleges will rely more on HS transcript.

Not PP, but many high schools have gone to P/F or intentional grade inflation for this semester, each of which have different consequences. I think the bottom line is that colleges won't rely much on second semester junior yr grades.

If second semester junior year grades are taken with a massive grain of salt or not counted at all, the upward-trend, late-bloomer student may not have enough grades on the transcript for EA/ED1. Maybe they get deferred to RD?

There are some kids who earned A's, and the recommendations will reflect that. Hard for you to believe, I know.

[Anonymous]

Who is getting grade inflation? I have a sophomore in FCPS. Some of her teachers say they grade on a trend, others say they do standards based grading, and only two do a straight average. Her grades are lower than they would have been if she had actually had a fourth quarter. The fourth quarter is always the highest.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No one is stressing their kid out except the parents who insist on the ritualistic stuff, that won't matter in six months.

Maybe in your world the parents rely on "4 SATs" or sports, which you have cited, but not in my world.

And the academics are not fair, because everyone is getting a boost, but the smart kids. How on earth it that fair? Hint: it is not.

Do you know whether that's happening? Hopefully teachers won't do that. They have an increased role to play to separate out the A students from B students. Colleges will rely more on HS transcript.

Not PP, but many high schools have gone to P/F or intentional grade inflation for this semester, each of which have different consequences. I think the bottom line is that colleges won't rely much on second semester junior yr grades.

If second semester junior year grades are taken with a massive grain of salt or not counted at all, the upward-trend, late-bloomer student may not have enough grades on the transcript for EA/ED1. Maybe they get deferred to RD?

HS transcript only shows the final grade, not semester grade. Colleges won't see a breakdown of first and second semester grade for junior year. The intentional grade inflation will be an issue for colleges to sort out.

For what it's worth, many high schools - all the ones in my area (public and private) - include only semester grades on the transcript. There is no single, final grade for the year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Who is getting grade inflation? I have a sophomore in FCPS. Some of her teachers say they grade on a trend, others say they do standards based grading, and only two do a straight average. Her grades are lower than they would have been if she had actually had a fourth quarter. The fourth quarter is always the highest.

+1

The other PP who mentioned grade inflation either does not understand grading, has an "F" student, doesn't believe that some students do well, or all of the above. Don't bother trying to explain to stupid. Your (other PP's) "F" student isn't going to be getting the A's.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is getting grade inflation? I have a sophomore in FCPS. Some of her teachers say they grade on a trend, others say they do standards based grading, and only two do a straight average. Her grades are lower than they would have been if she had actually had a fourth quarter. The fourth quarter is always the highest.

+1

The other PP who mentioned grade inflation either does not understand grading, has an "F" student, doesn't believe that some students do well, or all of the above. Don't bother trying to explain to stupid. Your (other PP's) "F" student isn't going to be getting the A's.

Not sure what you all are so upset about. I was referring to a change in the high school's official scoring scale. Under the high school's normal scale, 93 = A = 4.0, 90-92 = A- = 3.67, 87-89 = B+ = 3.33. Under the scale for this semester only, there will be no +/- grades, 85 = A = 4.0, 75-84 = B = 3.0. Each high school is doing its own thing, but I know ours is not the only one with this type of policy. Colleges definitely will be made aware of this, so I'm not sure how much it helps anyone, and isn't awesome for the top students either. I suspect it'll help B+ students because they'll get bumped to an A, except that this semester's grades will be taken with a grain of salt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is getting grade inflation? I have a sophomore in FCPS. Some of her teachers say they grade on a trend, others say they do standards based grading, and only two do a straight average. Her grades are lower than they would have been if she had actually had a fourth quarter. The fourth quarter is always the highest.

+1

The other PP who mentioned grade inflation either does not understand grading, has an "F" student, doesn't believe that some students do well, or all of the above. Don't bother trying to explain to stupid. Your (other PP's) "F" student isn't going to be getting the A's.

Not sure what you all are so upset about. I was referring to a change in the high school's official scoring scale. Under the high school's normal scale, 93 = A = 4.0, 90-92 = A- = 3.67, 87-89 = B+ = 3.33. Under the scale for this semester only, there will be no +/- grades, 85 = A = 4.0, 75-84 = B = 3.0. Each high school is doing its own thing, but I know ours is not the only one with this type of policy. Colleges definitely will be made aware of this, so I'm not sure how much it helps anyone, and isn't awesome for the top students either. I suspect it'll help B+ students because they'll get bumped to an A, except that this semester's grades will be taken with a grain of salt.

Different schools have different procedures - so you will be SOL.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is getting grade inflation? I have a sophomore in FCPS. Some of her teachers say they grade on a trend, others say they do standards based grading, and only two do a straight average. Her grades are lower than they would have been if she had actually had a fourth quarter. The fourth quarter is always the highest.

+1

The other PP who mentioned grade inflation either does not understand grading, has an "F" student, doesn't believe that some students do well, or all of the above. Don't bother trying to explain to stupid. Your (other PP's) "F" student isn't going to be getting the A's.

Not sure what you all are so upset about. I was referring to a change in the high school's official scoring scale. Under the high school's normal scale, 93 = A = 4.0, 90-92 = A- = 3.67, 87-89 = B+ = 3.33. Under the scale for this semester only, there will be no +/- grades, 85 = A = 4.0, 75-84 = B = 3.0. Each high school is doing its own thing, but I know ours is not the only one with this type of policy. Colleges definitely will be made aware of this, so I'm not sure how much it helps anyone, and isn't awesome for the top students either. I suspect it'll help B+ students because they'll get bumped to an A, except that this semester's grades will be taken with a grain of salt.

Different schools have different procedures - so you will be SOL.

Who are you talking to about being SOL? Why the constant urge to insult and provoke? I'm merely offering factual observations on different high school grading scenarios for other PPs who might be interested in such information.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Save your money folks. With more deferments than usual and no international students to fill the coffers, full pay is going to be more and more important.

This.

Agree. It’s all about revenue. I think the colleges are allowing what will be a higher % of 2020 scholarship students to defer and admitting full pay (and OOS for publics) off the waitlist to fill those spots and fill in for the missing international students. The 2021 scholarship students will be screwed. Full pay may be advantaged in 2021, especially if the international students aren’t back.

Maybe. But there will be no fewer slots for the rightful Class of 2021 - there will be fewer slots for deferrals and transfers, as always.

That may or may not be true. However, I do think that a college that is taking a financial hit would be happy to let a scholarship student defer if they can replace them with a full-pay student for this fall. It's not clear what happens to scholarships for those who choose to defer, but I'm pretty sure some number of kids who defer never show up at all.

Let’s just say the colleges bank on the deferrals not showing up and leave it at that because y’all are dense.

Apparently you're too dense to explain what you really mean, but the point is that the colleges are just focusing on filling the class of 2020 with as many full-pay students as possible and aren't really worrying too much about 2021. If they can defer a scholarship student and replace them with a full pay student, great. Who knows what the situation with COVID/the economy/international students will be then? Some of the deferred kids may never come, many of them may. They'll just cross that bridge when they come to it. It could be a massive cluster**** and totally screw the 2021 grads, but they don't care about that. They just care about keeping the $$ coming in now.

[Anonymous]

I agree that colleges are in crisis-management mode and being "fair" to the next class of applicants is probably low priority. As the parent of a junior, I am certainly anxious about how it will play out. But a lot can happen in a year, and most of it is out of my or my kid's control. All we can do is keep on looking at schools that might be a good fit (and maybe broaden the list a bit just in case). Freaking out is not a good strategy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I agree that colleges are in crisis-management mode and being "fair" to the next class of applicants is probably low priority. As the parent of a junior, I am certainly anxious about how it will play out. But a lot can happen in a year, and most of it is out of my or my kid's control. All we can do is keep on looking at schools that might be a good fit (and maybe broaden the list a bit just in case). Freaking out is not a good strategy.

You are correct. Filling the seats is a high priority. Which is why there will only be so many deferrals and transfers. What about this don't you get?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Save your money folks. With more deferments than usual and no international students to fill the coffers, full pay is going to be more and more important.

This.

Agree. It’s all about revenue. I think the colleges are allowing what will be a higher % of 2020 scholarship students to defer and admitting full pay (and OOS for publics) off the waitlist to fill those spots and fill in for the missing international students. The 2021 scholarship students will be screwed. Full pay may be advantaged in 2021, especially if the international students aren’t back.

Maybe. But there will be no fewer slots for the rightful Class of 2021 - there will be fewer slots for deferrals and transfers, as always.

That may or may not be true. However, I do think that a college that is taking a financial hit would be happy to let a scholarship student defer if they can replace them with a full-pay student for this fall. It's not clear what happens to scholarships for those who choose to defer, but I'm pretty sure some number of kids who defer never show up at all.

Let’s just say the colleges bank on the deferrals not showing up and leave it at that because y’all are dense.

Apparently you're too dense to explain what you really mean, but the point is that the colleges are just focusing on filling the class of 2020 with as many full-pay students as possible and aren't really worrying too much about 2021. If they can defer a scholarship student and replace them with a full pay student, great. Who knows what the situation with COVID/the economy/international students will be then? Some of the deferred kids may never come, many of them may. They'll just cross that bridge when they come to it. It could be a massive cluster**** and totally screw the 2021 grads, but they don't care about that. They just care about keeping the $$ coming in now.

Look, colleges are A-1 in the area of damage control. Those seats will be filled, and there will not be nearly as many deferrals as some of the PP's think there will be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is getting grade inflation? I have a sophomore in FCPS. Some of her teachers say they grade on a trend, others say they do standards based grading, and only two do a straight average. Her grades are lower than they would have been if she had actually had a fourth quarter. The fourth quarter is always the highest.

+1

The other PP who mentioned grade inflation either does not understand grading, has an "F" student, doesn't believe that some students do well, or all of the above. Don't bother trying to explain to stupid. Your (other PP's) "F" student isn't going to be getting the A's.

Not sure what you all are so upset about. I was referring to a change in the high school's official scoring scale. Under the high school's normal scale, 93 = A = 4.0, 90-92 = A- = 3.67, 87-89 = B+ = 3.33. Under the scale for this semester only, there will be no +/- grades, 85 = A = 4.0, 75-84 = B = 3.0. Each high school is doing its own thing, but I know ours is not the only one with this type of policy. Colleges definitely will be made aware of this, so I'm not sure how much it helps anyone, and isn't awesome for the top students either. I suspect it'll help B+ students because they'll get bumped to an A, except that this semester's grades will be taken with a grain of salt.

Different schools have different procedures - so you will be SOL.

Who are you talking to about being SOL? Why the constant urge to insult and provoke? I'm merely offering factual observations on different high school grading scenarios for other PPs who might be interested in such information.

Not all schools do grading the way that yours does. Why do you want information on the competition so bad? Why so insecure?