Fierce competition for Fall 2021 admissions, if lots of current seniors defer?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The whole world is going to strongly reevaluate their relationships with China, not just the US. Sweden ordered all Confucius Institute chapters at at Swedish universities to shut down.

Let's not be blase about China here. No one wants to punish Chinese people who are just as innocent as anyone else, but the Chinese regime is not trustworthy in any meaningful sense. It may have repercussions for American colleges that relied heavily on Chinese funding/donations.

Don’t be silly. The ones who are allowed to come here aren’t “innocent” at all. They are the children of the ultra-elite Communists. Americans are SO clueless!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The bottom line questions seem to be (1) are more students actually deferring this year than is typical, and (2) if so, will highly selective colleges limit deferments. While we are all speculating, and plenty of 2020 kids are considering their options, I don't think we've seen any good data yet on these questions.

Internationals may be the bigger concern with deferments, as those admitted may have no choice due to the visa process, but even for those, there is a lack of clarity.

There have been a few surveys, though the more significant problem with 2020 kids not attending may be more permanent than a selective college deferment - not attending at all or choosing an in-state public university due to financial considerations - rather than the reluctance to have an online first semester experience vs in person. E.g. https://www.insidehighered.com/admissions/article/2020/04/29/colleges-could-lose-20-percent-students-analysis-says

All colleges have no choice but to limit the number of deferrals. You can quote me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Any insight on deferral availability in state schools?

UMD-CP?
UVA?
Virginia Tech?
Michigan?
UC system?
Etc

Thanks!

Yes. Deferrals are limited at ALL colleges. You may not want to believe this, but it is fact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Who is getting grade inflation? I have a sophomore in FCPS. Some of her teachers say they grade on a trend, others say they do standards based grading, and only two do a straight average. Her grades are lower than they would have been if she had actually had a fourth quarter. The fourth quarter is always the highest.

The B+ and B students are getting the grade inflation. At FCPS, you get one letter bump in the 4th quarter. It is not fair to the A students.

Our fcps is only giving one bump. A B would go to a B +, a B + would go to an A - and so on

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is getting grade inflation? I have a sophomore in FCPS. Some of her teachers say they grade on a trend, others say they do standards based grading, and only two do a straight average. Her grades are lower than they would have been if she had actually had a fourth quarter. The fourth quarter is always the highest.

The B+ and B students are getting the grade inflation. At FCPS, you get one letter bump in the 4th quarter. It is not fair to the A students.

Our fcps is only giving one bump. A B would go to a B +, a B + would go to an A - and so on

No one will get a worse grade per FCPS policy. It can only go up. Obviously the policy is not fair to the top students.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is getting grade inflation? I have a sophomore in FCPS. Some of her teachers say they grade on a trend, others say they do standards based grading, and only two do a straight average. Her grades are lower than they would have been if she had actually had a fourth quarter. The fourth quarter is always the highest.

The B+ and B students are getting the grade inflation. At FCPS, you get one letter bump in the 4th quarter. It is not fair to the A students.

Our fcps is only giving one bump. A B would go to a B +, a B + would go to an A - and so on

No one will get a worse grade per FCPS policy. It can only go up. Obviously the policy is not fair to the top students.

most schools are doing this. College admissions will know and understand this when they look at the grades from this spring.
The top students will still be top, at least in my FCPS. The rank is communicated by percentile, so a student with a couple of A- is not going to affect the A student that much. A straight A student is going to be fine if my B+ student get a couple of A-.

[Anonymous]

https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2020/05/final-cpuc-administrators-discuss-gap-years

Due to housing and enrollment constraints, students who take gap years this fall may not be guaranteed immediate return to the University, according to a response from Dean Jill Dolan at the Council of the Princeton University Community (CPUC) meeting on Monday.

“We are not changing the policy for returning students or for newly admitted students,” Dolan said during the Q&A portion of the meeting. “If students do take a leave [of absence] or defer, we cannot guarantee that they’ll all be able to return in one year.”

Her response comes after some students, both at Princeton and across the nation, have expressed that they would prefer to take a gap year over participating in an online fall semester. If too many students choose to take leaves of absence for the 2020–21 school year, over-enrollment could occur the following year, putting a strain on housing and dining services.

Dolan went on to explain that returning students must contact their residential college deans about potential gap years, and newly admitted students must contact the admission office.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2020/05/final-cpuc-administrators-discuss-gap-years

Due to housing and enrollment constraints, students who take gap years this fall may not be guaranteed immediate return to the University, according to a response from Dean Jill Dolan at the Council of the Princeton University Community (CPUC) meeting on Monday.

“We are not changing the policy for returning students or for newly admitted students,” Dolan said during the Q&A portion of the meeting. “If students do take a leave [of absence] or defer, we cannot guarantee that they’ll all be able to return in one year.”

Her response comes after some students, both at Princeton and across the nation, have expressed that they would prefer to take a gap year over participating in an online fall semester. If too many students choose to take leaves of absence for the 2020–21 school year, over-enrollment could occur the following year, putting a strain on housing and dining services.

Dolan went on to explain that returning students must contact their residential college deans about potential gap years, and newly admitted students must contact the admission office.

+1

Exactly. Why on earth would parents expect the schools to "hold" their place? Ridiculous. Schools are a business, the will only be so many deferments. Why would parnts think otherwise? Genuinely curious. Not a realistic expectation, at all.

[Anonymous]

There is going to be a huge drop in new grants of merit aid over the next few years, it is an easy place to cut. Not clear How long for international students to come back, but being full pay is going to be a bigger advantage for the immediate future.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is getting grade inflation? I have a sophomore in FCPS. Some of her teachers say they grade on a trend, others say they do standards based grading, and only two do a straight average. Her grades are lower than they would have been if she had actually had a fourth quarter. The fourth quarter is always the highest.

The B+ and B students are getting the grade inflation. At FCPS, you get one letter bump in the 4th quarter. It is not fair to the A students.

Our fcps is only giving one bump. A B would go to a B +, a B + would go to an A - and so on

No one will get a worse grade per FCPS policy. It can only go up. Obviously the policy is not fair to the top students.

most schools are doing this. College admissions will know and understand this when they look at the grades from this spring.
The top students will still be top, at least in my FCPS. The rank is communicated by percentile, so a student with a couple of A- is not going to affect the A student that much. A straight A student is going to be fine if my B+ student get a couple of A-.

Private schools are not doing this. They are getting grades as always with no free pass. Colleges will hopefully know this.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is getting grade inflation? I have a sophomore in FCPS. Some of her teachers say they grade on a trend, others say they do standards based grading, and only two do a straight average. Her grades are lower than they would have been if she had actually had a fourth quarter. The fourth quarter is always the highest.

The B+ and B students are getting the grade inflation. At FCPS, you get one letter bump in the 4th quarter. It is not fair to the A students.

Our fcps is only giving one bump. A B would go to a B +, a B + would go to an A - and so on

No one will get a worse grade per FCPS policy. It can only go up. Obviously the policy is not fair to the top students.

How in the world is not that fair to "top" students?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2020/05/final-cpuc-administrators-discuss-gap-years

Due to housing and enrollment constraints, students who take gap years this fall may not be guaranteed immediate return to the University, according to a response from Dean Jill Dolan at the Council of the Princeton University Community (CPUC) meeting on Monday.

“We are not changing the policy for returning students or for newly admitted students,” Dolan said during the Q&A portion of the meeting. “If students do take a leave [of absence] or defer, we cannot guarantee that they’ll all be able to return in one year.”

Her response comes after some students, both at Princeton and across the nation, have expressed that they would prefer to take a gap year over participating in an online fall semester. If too many students choose to take leaves of absence for the 2020–21 school year, over-enrollment could occur the following year, putting a strain on housing and dining services.

Dolan went on to explain that returning students must contact their residential college deans about potential gap years, and newly admitted students must contact the admission office.

Good for Princeton. In my opinion, any freshman who takes deferment just because things don't go the way they wanted is entitled and spoiled. None of life is going the way any of us want it to, most of us are not given a choice on how to proceed. If you defer, that's on you, not on those who keep moving forward. Why would Princeton want students who aren't resilient and strong enough to go with the flow and suck it up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Who is getting grade inflation? I have a sophomore in FCPS. Some of her teachers say they grade on a trend, others say they do standards based grading, and only two do a straight average. Her grades are lower than they would have been if she had actually had a fourth quarter. The fourth quarter is always the highest.

The B+ and B students are getting the grade inflation. At FCPS, you get one letter bump in the 4th quarter. It is not fair to the A students.

Our fcps is only giving one bump. A B would go to a B +, a B + would go to an A - and so on

No one will get a worse grade per FCPS policy. It can only go up. Obviously the policy is not fair to the top students.

most schools are doing this. College admissions will know and understand this when they look at the grades from this spring.
The top students will still be top, at least in my FCPS. The rank is communicated by percentile, so a student with a couple of A- is not going to affect the A student that much. A straight A student is going to be fine if my B+ student get a couple of A-.

I know someone who had an A first semester. The course got significantly harder third quarter and that person has a B for third quarter. That person would average to a B+ but will end up with an A. It is what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2020/05/final-cpuc-administrators-discuss-gap-years

Due to housing and enrollment constraints, students who take gap years this fall may not be guaranteed immediate return to the University, according to a response from Dean Jill Dolan at the Council of the Princeton University Community (CPUC) meeting on Monday.

“We are not changing the policy for returning students or for newly admitted students,” Dolan said during the Q&A portion of the meeting. “If students do take a leave [of absence] or defer, we cannot guarantee that they’ll all be able to return in one year.”

Her response comes after some students, both at Princeton and across the nation, have expressed that they would prefer to take a gap year over participating in an online fall semester. If too many students choose to take leaves of absence for the 2020–21 school year, over-enrollment could occur the following year, putting a strain on housing and dining services.

Dolan went on to explain that returning students must contact their residential college deans about potential gap years, and newly admitted students must contact the admission office.

Good for Princeton. In my opinion, any freshman who takes deferment just because things don't go the way they wanted is entitled and spoiled. None of life is going the way any of us want it to, most of us are not given a choice on how to proceed. If you defer, that's on you, not on those who keep moving forward. Why would Princeton want students who aren't resilient and strong enough to go with the flow and suck it up.

[Anonymous]

It is not the responsibility not within the capacity of the HS class of 2020 to solve the issues of the global pandemic's effect on college education. Some may be able to make lemons out of lemonade and thrive in a completely upside down experience of freshman year at college and some be undone by it. And some anonymous chat poster has no qualifications to determine which is which regardless if the student is Princeton bound or headed elsewhere