Man dies after unprovoked attack by teens at Frederick fair

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work for DJS. I would bet a lot of money - because I see it DAILY - they will be charged as adults, given some long sentencing term that's announced to the media, and then the judge will 'waive them down' to one of the DJS schools, and they'll only have to do 6-9 months. I work in one of the schools and it's DISGUSTING how many of our kids have been 'charged as an adult' but the judges waive them down to juvenile to serve.

I also work for DJS. They were in one of our facilities, then have been transferred to a differerent/2 different facilities.

I also support 1000% what PP said, they'll be dropped to juvenile. ZERO doubt

In your view, why does this happen? Are judges elected? Clearly, their constituents want more accountability for haneous crimes like this so why do they keep passing the buck?

Heinous?

Yes, didn't spell check obviously.

[Anonymous]

6 answers · Law & Ethics
Yahoo answers. Is it murder if you kill someone in a fistfight?
It depends on whether he intended to kill. To murder you must have what is called mens rea (the guilty mind) and actus reus (the guilty act). If he didnt mean to kill him, then he doesnt have the guilty mind, and therefore it isnt murder.

However, it can still be manslaughter. Manslaughter is where you have the guilty act, but not necessary the guilty mind - you may have had reckless indifference as to whether the person would die.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The law states (paraphrased) you must take the victim as you find them. It means during a crime whatever the circumstances of the victim are you are responsible. Usually that is example late term pregnancy you hit with car you are responsible for both the mother AND the unborn child whether you knew it or not when the crime occurred.
In this case there is also premeditation as they planned to film it. Premeditation can be only seconds. With no provocation whatsoever this may escalate to murder 2.

How is this not murder 1? They planned and videotaped this for their own shits and giggles.

I think lesser charge because they did not mean to kill him. So there is premeditation but not intent so that ends up being man slaughter. But likely they won’t serve more than a few months in juvie anyway.

Uhh, wut? They didn't mean to hurt him badly just knock him out and they didn't realize that could kill him? Seriously?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work for DJS. I would bet a lot of money - because I see it DAILY - they will be charged as adults, given some long sentencing term that's announced to the media, and then the judge will 'waive them down' to one of the DJS schools, and they'll only have to do 6-9 months. I work in one of the schools and it's DISGUSTING how many of our kids have been 'charged as an adult' but the judges waive them down to juvenile to serve.

I also work for DJS. They were in one of our facilities, then have been transferred to a differerent/2 different facilities.

I also support 1000% what PP said, they'll be dropped to juvenile. ZERO doubt

In your view, why does this happen? Are judges elected? Clearly, their constituents want more accountability for haneous crimes like this so why do they keep passing the buck?

Because DJS does NOTHING to discipline. The state juvenile system is horrid. The recidivism rate is disgusting. The worst, though, is they know, admit, ACCEPT that they are failing these kids. But nobody gives a damn. They literally publish how poorly they're doing:

http://www.marylandattorneygeneral.gov/JJM%20Documents/19_Quarter1.pdf

Some gems, from the most reason JJMU report from the OIG of MD:

n, “research shows that helping youth grow and develop within
the context of their own families and communities is vital to their long-term success.”2
? The majority of girls and boys in Maryland’s juvenile justice system who are being sent
into institutional settings - located in remote areas of the state and far from their families
and communities - are youth of color.3
It should be noted that juvenile justice
administrators from various states have found that,
for youth of color, this approach perpetuates the country’s enduring history
of racial inequality and oppression, often magnifying the cumulative
disadvantages experienced by youth in communities of color, where
poverty, crime, and violence affect far too many people. In many
instances, youth justice systems – and especially correctional facilities –
have become the default for addressing youth whose needs would be
more effectively served in other systems, including education, child
welfare, and behavioral health.4
? Maryland should move toward establishing a continuum of community-based care for
youth in need of intensive services within the health care, child welfare, and juvenile
justice systems, including regionalization and specialization of placement sites. R

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Anonymous wrote:There's a video - it looks like there was some kind of confrontation. The teens knocked him and he quickly feel to the ground, probably hit his head very hard. It was short, not a prolonged attack. But awful, nevertheless.

For the life of me, I do not understand what compels people with the Y chromosome to do this sort of thing. Yes of course "not all men" but violence (random or otherwise) is an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. And it's a problem.

But you do understand why women drown their children or drive them strapped into a car into a lake. Because you're a woman.

Pregnancy hormones can be severe and can royally F with a woman's head.

What major life event do men experience, that's comparable? That they... just exist?

OK, if hormones are the excuse, men have testosterone, and not just a few times per lifetime as with pregnancy, but all the time after puberty. And believe me, testosterone really Fs with your head (see: teenagers, male, frequent misbehavior of). You could even call this crime a case in point!

Translation: Yes, just by existing and not going through a major hormonal health event, males are violent. Yeah... you're not really helping making the terrible point you're trying to make.

Women who kill their children do not all have postpartum psychosis. Plenty of them are just bad. Bad people. Whatever their hormones or chromosomes.

How many women just kill and randomly attack people without postpartum psychosis, compared to the men who just kill (and assault, and molest, and rape, etc) people because they're bad people... what's that ratio? How do those numbers stack up?

You clearly DO NOT watch ID Discovery. Lots of women kill...lots!

[Anonymous]

I work at Silver Oak Academy. The ONE non-state run juvenile treatment/detention center in the state.

JJMU even says: "Finally, it is important to note that Silver Oak Academy (SOA) - a privately-run staff secure
placement site licensed by DJS - offers a program model that incorporates evidencebased treatment (grounded in cognitive behavioral therapy) and high quality educational
services (including a series of industry-recognized certifications) in a normalized, school
campus-like environment. Silver Oak could serve as a model for DJS-operated placement
sites. "

But they have zero interest in change. Silver Oak has an AMAZING model. It's SO COOL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:6 answers · Law & Ethics
Yahoo answers. Is it murder if you kill someone in a fistfight?
It depends on whether he intended to kill. To murder you must have what is called mens rea (the guilty mind) and actus reus (the guilty act). If he didnt mean to kill him, then he doesnt have the guilty mind, and therefore it isnt murder.

However, it can still be manslaughter. Manslaughter is where you have the guilty act, but not necessary the guilty mind - you may have had reckless indifference as to whether the person would die.

They 100% intended to inflict severe bodily harm on the man.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:There's a video - it looks like there was some kind of confrontation. The teens knocked him and he quickly feel to the ground, probably hit his head very hard. It was short, not a prolonged attack. But awful, nevertheless.

For the life of me, I do not understand what compels people with the Y chromosome to do this sort of thing. Yes of course "not all men" but violence (random or otherwise) is an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. And it's a problem.

But you do understand why women drown their children or drive them strapped into a car into a lake. Because you're a woman.

Pregnancy hormones can be severe and can royally F with a woman's head.

What major life event do men experience, that's comparable? That they... just exist?

OK, if hormones are the excuse, men have testosterone, and not just a few times per lifetime as with pregnancy, but all the time after puberty. And believe me, testosterone really Fs with your head (see: teenagers, male, frequent misbehavior of). You could even call this crime a case in point!

Translation: Yes, just by existing and not going through a major hormonal health event, males are violent. Yeah... you're not really helping making the terrible point you're trying to make.

Women who kill their children do not all have postpartum psychosis. Plenty of them are just bad. Bad people. Whatever their hormones or chromosomes.

How many women just kill and randomly attack people without postpartum psychosis, compared to the men who just kill (and assault, and molest, and rape, etc) people because they're bad people... what's that ratio? How do those numbers stack up?

You clearly DO NOT watch ID Discovery. Lots of women kill...lots!

Lululemon

[Anonymous]

They have been charged with second-degree assault, and the younger boy is facing charges of first-degree assault and reckless endangerment.

The two boys are brothers, and their dad said they are “good kids,”

The parents spoke on their behalf in court.

Prosecutors said the suspects demanded a dollar from the victim at the fair and attacked him when he didn’t give them the money.

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/09/23/fatal-frederick-fair-attack-latest/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's a video - it looks like there was some kind of confrontation. The teens knocked him and he quickly feel to the ground, probably hit his head very hard. It was short, not a prolonged attack. But awful, nevertheless.

For the life of me, I do not understand what compels people with the Y chromosome to do this sort of thing. Yes of course "not all men" but violence (random or otherwise) is an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. And it's a problem.

But you do understand why women drown their children or drive them strapped into a car into a lake. Because you're a woman.

Pregnancy hormones can be severe and can royally F with a woman's head.

What major life event do men experience, that's comparable? That they... just exist?

OK, if hormones are the excuse, men have testosterone, and not just a few times per lifetime as with pregnancy, but all the time after puberty. And believe me, testosterone really Fs with your head (see: teenagers, male, frequent misbehavior of). You could even call this crime a case in point!

Translation: Yes, just by existing and not going through a major hormonal health event, males are violent. Yeah... you're not really helping making the terrible point you're trying to make.

Women who kill their children do not all have postpartum psychosis. Plenty of them are just bad. Bad people. Whatever their hormones or chromosomes.

How many women just kill and randomly attack people without postpartum psychosis, compared to the men who just kill (and assault, and molest, and rape, etc) people because they're bad people... what's that ratio? How do those numbers stack up?

You clearly DO NOT watch ID Discovery. Lots of women kill...lots!

The ratio of killer men to killer women... what's that number?

[Anonymous]

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You clearly DO NOT watch ID Discovery. Lots of women kill...lots!

Earlier in this thread I posted the stats directly from Dept of Justice. Men commit violent crime at about 4x the rate of women.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:There's a video - it looks like there was some kind of confrontation. The teens knocked him and he quickly feel to the ground, probably hit his head very hard. It was short, not a prolonged attack. But awful, nevertheless.

For the life of me, I do not understand what compels people with the Y chromosome to do this sort of thing. Yes of course "not all men" but violence (random or otherwise) is an overwhelmingly male phenomenon. And it's a problem.

But you do understand why women drown their children or drive them strapped into a car into a lake. Because you're a woman.

Pregnancy hormones can be severe and can royally F with a woman's head.

What major life event do men experience, that's comparable? That they... just exist?

OK, if hormones are the excuse, men have testosterone, and not just a few times per lifetime as with pregnancy, but all the time after puberty. And believe me, testosterone really Fs with your head (see: teenagers, male, frequent misbehavior of). You could even call this crime a case in point!

Translation: Yes, just by existing and not going through a major hormonal health event, males are violent. Yeah... you're not really helping making the terrible point you're trying to make.

Women who kill their children do not all have postpartum psychosis. Plenty of them are just bad. Bad people. Whatever their hormones or chromosomes.

How many women just kill and randomly attack people without postpartum psychosis, compared to the men who just kill (and assault, and molest, and rape, etc) people because they're bad people... what's that ratio? How do those numbers stack up?

You clearly DO NOT watch ID Discovery. Lots of women kill...lots!

Lululemon

You know why you remember that story? Because it's unusual.

How many stories do you read about men killing someone in a week? A month? Hell, even a day?

Constant. It's constant. There are too damn many.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:They have been charged with second-degree assault, and the younger boy is facing charges of first-degree assault and reckless endangerment.

The two boys are brothers, and their dad said they are “good kids,”

The parents spoke on their behalf in court.

Prosecutors said the suspects demanded a dollar from the victim at the fair and attacked him when he didn’t give them the money.

https://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2019/09/23/fatal-frederick-fair-attack-latest/

Unless these charges are increased, it’s a joke.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I work for DJS. I would bet a lot of money - because I see it DAILY - they will be charged as adults, given some long sentencing term that's announced to the media, and then the judge will 'waive them down' to one of the DJS schools, and they'll only have to do 6-9 months. I work in one of the schools and it's DISGUSTING how many of our kids have been 'charged as an adult' but the judges waive them down to juvenile to serve.

I also work for DJS. They were in one of our facilities, then have been transferred to a differerent/2 different facilities.

I also support 1000% what PP said, they'll be dropped to juvenile. ZERO doubt

If they do only 9 months for killing a man, the system is entirely ludicrous

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You clearly DO NOT watch ID Discovery. Lots of women kill...lots!

Earlier in this thread I posted the stats directly from Dept of Justice. Men commit violent crime at about 4x the rate of women.

Yes, but women do some crazy stuff too. Have their kids kill for them, their new lover kills their ex, kill their ex's new lover, they also tend to use poison. Think of non-violent deaths and/or let's someone else do the dirty work. Those cases don't necessarily show up in the stats.