Colleges that do NOT push individual pronouns

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:There are two sexes. Male or female. XX or XY. You are either one or the other.

OP here. There are also intersex people, who have chromosomal abnormalities.

Really? Introduce us to one that you know personally.

I don't. They are statistical anomalies. Look at a biology textbook. Also, there is the famous runner Caster Semenya. https://www.vox.com/identities/2019/5/3/18526723/caster-semenya-800-gender-race-intersex-athletes

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With the cost of a college education skyrocketing, schools need to be careful about alienating the folks paying those high tuition bills - the parents.

I think the next financial crisis will involve higher education as more and more people default on student loans after obtaining expensive, worthless degrees. With the looming recession, young graduates will be seriously hurting if they’ve relied heavily on student loans.

Consider the value of the diploma and don’t get in over your head. The PC pronoun issue is just a silly distraction.

I'll start worrying when good jobs stop requiring degrees, and when interviewers stop valuing 4-year institutions over online institutions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's everywhere... but if you raised your kid to be a critical thinker, s/he'll see right through this stuff and laugh about it. I'd choose the college on the basis of reputation, academics, and matriculation to good grad / professional schools. Agree with a lot of other posters that much of this will have to do with the academic departments. Most of this stuff is in disciplines like gender studies, sociology, etc. Stick with economics, philosophy, classics, the hard sciences, and this stuff goes away. You can find pockets of the humanities where there are still some professors who haven't drunk the victim kool-aid. If your son / daughter does well at a selective college, they won't have to deal with it at all once they're in Med School .

When I was in college, it was viewed as annoyingly PC to call firemen "fire fighters" and mailmen "letter carriers" and Women who wanted to be called "Ms." were strident. Now those terms are standard. Language is ever evolving. Not a lot you can do to hold back the tide.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Read this from BBC.com Non-binary is a thing at UK universities too. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34901704

Thank you for the article. I noticed that two of the non-binary people in the article also spell their names entirely in lower-case letters. How is this not narcissistic? "jane smith" can spell "their" name however "they" want to, but the DMV doesn't have to cooperate!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:With the cost of a college education skyrocketing, schools need to be careful about alienating the folks paying those high tuition bills - the parents.

I think the next financial crisis will involve higher education as more and more people default on student loans after obtaining expensive, worthless degrees. With the looming recession, young graduates will be seriously hurting if they’ve relied heavily on student loans.

Consider the value of the diploma and don’t get in over your head. The PC pronoun issue is just a silly distraction.

I'll start worrying when good jobs stop requiring degrees, and when interviewers stop valuing 4-year institutions over online institutions.

The good jobs will be more scarce and employers will hire people with actual skills over new grads with expensive liberal arts degrees. Choose your school and degree carefully. Don’t get distracted by all of the PC pronoun nonsense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Read this from BBC.com Non-binary is a thing at UK universities too. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-34901704

BBC...

Cool story with zero data

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's everywhere... but if you raised your kid to be a critical thinker, s/he'll see right through this stuff and laugh about it. I'd choose the college on the basis of reputation, academics, and matriculation to good grad / professional schools. Agree with a lot of other posters that much of this will have to do with the academic departments. Most of this stuff is in disciplines like gender studies, sociology, etc. Stick with economics, philosophy, classics, the hard sciences, and this stuff goes away. You can find pockets of the humanities where there are still some professors who haven't drunk the victim kool-aid. If your son / daughter does well at a selective college, they won't have to deal with it at all once they're in Med School .

When I was in college, it was viewed as annoyingly PC to call firemen "fire fighters" and mailmen "letter carriers" and Women who wanted to be called "Ms." were strident. Now those terms are standard. Language is ever evolving. Not a lot you can do to hold back the tide.

When you were in college men wore long hair and beards and wanted to live in communes with equally hairy women.

Not every fad stays.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's everywhere... but if you raised your kid to be a critical thinker, s/he'll see right through this stuff and laugh about it. I'd choose the college on the basis of reputation, academics, and matriculation to good grad / professional schools. Agree with a lot of other posters that much of this will have to do with the academic departments. Most of this stuff is in disciplines like gender studies, sociology, etc. Stick with economics, philosophy, classics, the hard sciences, and this stuff goes away. You can find pockets of the humanities where there are still some professors who haven't drunk the victim kool-aid. If your son / daughter does well at a selective college, they won't have to deal with it at all once they're in Med School .

When I was in college, it was viewed as annoyingly PC to call firemen "fire fighters" and mailmen "letter carriers" and Women who wanted to be called "Ms." were strident. Now those terms are standard. Language is ever evolving. Not a lot you can do to hold back the tide.

When you were in college men wore long hair and beards and wanted to live in communes with equally hairy women.

Not every fad stays.

Not every "fad" passes.

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Anonymous wrote:It is not about disrespecting people who are transgender and identify as a different gender than they were born. It is about the other 99+% of people who are now expected to fall into the "he/him" or "she/her" way of identifying themselves when, hello! We already knew that about you.

It doesn't make any sense for people who identify as their actual gender to be compelled to play along to make those who don't identify that way feel included. We can teach inclusion and empathy towards transgender individuals without the false virtue signaling by those for whom the differences don't apply.

No one said otherwise. If you don’t want to share your pronouns, don’t. It’s optional.

I agree that it should never be mandatory.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It is not about disrespecting people who are transgender and identify as a different gender than they were born. It is about the other 99+% of people who are now expected to fall into the "he/him" or "she/her" way of identifying themselves when, hello! We already knew that about you.

It doesn't make any sense for people who identify as their actual gender to be compelled to play along to make those who don't identify that way feel included. We can teach inclusion and empathy towards transgender individuals without the false virtue signaling by those for whom the differences don't apply.

No one said otherwise. If you don’t want to share your pronouns, don’t. It’s optional.

I agree that it should never be mandatory.

Even if it is optional, why are people who follow gender norms hopping on board? That's my question. It looks like virtue signaling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is not about disrespecting people who are transgender and identify as a different gender than they were born. It is about the other 99+% of people who are now expected to fall into the "he/him" or "she/her" way of identifying themselves when, hello! We already knew that about you.

It doesn't make any sense for people who identify as their actual gender to be compelled to play along to make those who don't identify that way feel included. We can teach inclusion and empathy towards transgender individuals without the false virtue signaling by those for whom the differences don't apply.

No one said otherwise. If you don’t want to share your pronouns, don’t. It’s optional.

I agree that it should never be mandatory.

Even if it is optional, why are people who follow gender norms hopping on board? That's my question. It looks like virtue signaling.

Or, if could be a thing called respect.

[Anonymous]

We have toured about 12 schools, and this only happened at one. It was something I noticed and stuck out, but for most, if not all of the kids in the room, it seemed pretty normal.

It certainly didn't impact where my DC has the school on their list - pretty high.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is the single stupidest criterion I’ve heard for picking colleges. Get a real problem.

It's not stupid. I don't want my child indoctrinated into thinking that picking your own pronouns is normal. Again, if a person is truly intersex, I understand that this person will have special circumstances.

If your kid is not an idiot you should have no fear.

If you believe in nature as opposed to nurture, I fear OP's kid is quite challenged.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:With the cost of a college education skyrocketing, schools need to be careful about alienating the folks paying those high tuition bills - the parents.

I think the next financial crisis will involve higher education as more and more people default on student loans after obtaining expensive, worthless degrees. With the looming recession, young graduates will be seriously hurting if they’ve relied heavily on student loans.

Consider the value of the diploma and don’t get in over your head. The PC pronoun issue is just a silly distraction.

Wise words.

I've already seen alumni at several universities stopping their donations and making it clear why.

I hope colleges learn.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is not about disrespecting people who are transgender and identify as a different gender than they were born. It is about the other 99+% of people who are now expected to fall into the "he/him" or "she/her" way of identifying themselves when, hello! We already knew that about you.

It doesn't make any sense for people who identify as their actual gender to be compelled to play along to make those who don't identify that way feel included. We can teach inclusion and empathy towards transgender individuals without the false virtue signaling by those for whom the differences don't apply.

No one said otherwise. If you don’t want to share your pronouns, don’t. It’s optional.

I agree that it should never be mandatory.

Even if it is optional, why are people who follow gender norms hopping on board? That's my question. It looks like virtue signaling.

The rest of us call it accepting and respecting people who are different from us. But I see why you don’t understand the concept.