If you had an abortion you really didn't want to have

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NP. And please tell us how you feel about the baby-killing bitches like me who have terminated ectopic pregnancies.

The intent is not to kill the child. The intent is to correct a medical issue and save the mother in a sad case where the child is not going to able to grow and develop. The child is not in the uterus. Nature has said "no". I consider this a medical procedure.

I do not consider what is typically called abortion to be a medical procedure. I consider to be a callous disregard for human life only suitable for savages.

That doesn't mean that I feel the same way about all other issues that are called medical because children do live after being diagnosed with certain issues, and children are born healthy after being told that they have issues.

In general, I do not believe in "but, but, but...." You can "but" your way into justifying anything and it's not necessary. There is no reason on earth for society to have such a casual attitude about killing babies.

Do you consider it a medical procedure if it's 20 weeks and the fetus is diagnosed with abnormalities incompatible with life? Do you consider it a medical procedure if, as in a PP, the mother has a life threatening infection prior to fetal viability?

Are there circumstances that you would consider to be "a callous disregard for human life only suitable for savages" to be acceptable, or is it across the board that you believe women who do not want to be pregnant should be forced to remain so? Would you look at rape victim in the eye and tell her that she must carry her rapist's child?

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First, I apologize to real DCUMers because I'm apparently entertaining a troll. Second, I ask not of this particular troll but of all abortion -related morons out there: Where were you for Relisha? What are you doing for the next Relisha?

Who is Relisha and what does she have to do with justifying killing babies? What are you doing for the next Relisha since you know so much about her? Or is "just kill 'em all" your motto.

I would be a troll if I was responding because I thought it was funny. This is not funny and it is nothing to troll about.

If you don't know who Relisha is you can get the fuck off this board, since if you don't you are clearly not a DC urban mom.

So what you are saying is that you lack the ability to have an intellectual conversation, and that you really cannot connect this girl you brought up to the subject at hand.

Therefore you are just throwing things at the wall, and hoping something sticks so that you don't have to address your bloodthirsty tendencies and lack of regard for innocent humans being slaughtered.

But really. You don't live in or around DC if you don't know who this poor girl is. Her story is heartbreaking. And PP is trying to show that your concern for children seems to begin and end with posting incendiary messages about fetuses on message board in a city where you don't live.

I don't watch the news, so if you have a point to make then make it. Connect your point to the issue at hand. Or admit that you and PP are grasping at straws.

Something bad happened to a child (that I refuse to look up- which is why I don't watch the news) and that means that I don't care about children?

I detect a logical fallacy.

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Anonymous wrote:Disgusting. I would not support the murder of a baby.

We sit silently while innocent children are slaughtered and then wonder why people have no respect for human life when someone beats up an old person or runs over a child and keeps driving.

Stop patting yourself on the back OP. You are a terrible friend and a sorry excuse for a human being.

When I see a post like this, I feel many emotions. Mostly I'm just thankful I'm not so stupid and closed minded. Good luck with your future, weirdo child-like person who thinks life is black and white.

Yes, I am closed-minded to the idea of killing babies.

A society that has no respect for the most innocent of lives is a very dangerous society.

+1000

So do you also condemn those who do IVF?

Pro-life poster, why do you keep avoiding this question? Did you yourself murder babies as part of the cost of getting the family you thought you deserved?

This was the first time this question was addressed to me.

I don't know enough about IVF to have a strong opinion aside from the fact that if you need to have IVF, perhaps you should consider that a sign of nature/God/your body saying NO.

*Quick google*

No, I do not believe in playing God or killing babies because you are infertile. I'm sad for your loss of fertility, but not sad enough to say that it's okay to turn "life" into some sort of sick science experiment.

Do I "condemn" you for it? No. There is a difference between opposing someones actions and condemning them as a person.

Wow - did you just call my three beautiful children sick science experiments? How terribly un-Christian of you. Be careful, some day one of your kids might fall in love with one of my sick science experiments marry and have kids and then your grandkids would be tainted forever.

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First, I apologize to real DCUMers because I'm apparently entertaining a troll. Second, I ask not of this particular troll but of all abortion -related morons out there: Where were you for Relisha? What are you doing for the next Relisha?

Who is Relisha and what does she have to do with justifying killing babies? What are you doing for the next Relisha since you know so much about her? Or is "just kill 'em all" your motto.

I would be a troll if I was responding because I thought it was funny. This is not funny and it is nothing to troll about.

If you don't know who Relisha is you can get the fuck off this board, since if you don't you are clearly not a DC urban mom.

So what you are saying is that you lack the ability to have an intellectual conversation, and that you really cannot connect this girl you brought up to the subject at hand.

Therefore you are just throwing things at the wall, and hoping something sticks so that you don't have to address your bloodthirsty tendencies and lack of regard for innocent humans being slaughtered.

But really. You don't live in or around DC if you don't know who this poor girl is. Her story is heartbreaking. And PP is trying to show that your concern for children seems to begin and end with posting incendiary messages about fetuses on message board in a city where you don't live.

I don't watch the news, so if you have a point to make then make it. Connect your point to the issue at hand. Or admit that you and PP are grasping at straws.

Something bad happened to a child (that I refuse to look up- which is why I don't watch the news) and that means that I don't care about children?

I detect a logical fallacy.

You don't watch the news, presumably because of the sad and scary things that would be covered on the news, but will spend hours arguing about abortion on an anonymous message board? Your priorities are really strange.

I'm not the PP you're arguing with, but here's why it connects.

Many people who espouse a "pro-life" position are happy to spend hours arguing about abortion on an anonymous message board. They care deeply about unborn children. When the children are born, they are generally not supportive of those children except in the following predictable ways: they mention that their church has programs that help families in need (sometimes true, almost never without ideological strings) or they mention that it's not the job of government to take care of children.

The connection to Relisha Rudd is that a system of government not taking care of children in need, which we all are complicit in whether we like it or not, failed to protect a child from her immature and damaged mother, who sold her to a 51-year-old janitory, and no one - not the shelter the family lived in, not the school the girl attended, not the mandated reporters employed by the NGO that spent time with the little girl at the shelter - bothered to seriously look for her until she'd already been missing for 3 weeks.

If you care so deeply about children's lives, why focus on the children that are not yet born? Why not focus on the millions of children in this country who are hungry, who are cold, whose parents abuse or neglect them? Why the focus on the unborn?

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First, I apologize to real DCUMers because I'm apparently entertaining a troll. Second, I ask not of this particular troll but of all abortion -related morons out there: Where were you for Relisha? What are you doing for the next Relisha?

Who is Relisha and what does she have to do with justifying killing babies? What are you doing for the next Relisha since you know so much about her? Or is "just kill 'em all" your motto.

I would be a troll if I was responding because I thought it was funny. This is not funny and it is nothing to troll about.

If you don't know who Relisha is you can get the fuck off this board, since if you don't you are clearly not a DC urban mom.

So what you are saying is that you lack the ability to have an intellectual conversation, and that you really cannot connect this girl you brought up to the subject at hand.

Therefore you are just throwing things at the wall, and hoping something sticks so that you don't have to address your bloodthirsty tendencies and lack of regard for innocent humans being slaughtered.

But really. You don't live in or around DC if you don't know who this poor girl is. Her story is heartbreaking. And PP is trying to show that your concern for children seems to begin and end with posting incendiary messages about fetuses on message board in a city where you don't live.

I don't watch the news, so if you have a point to make then make it. Connect your point to the issue at hand. Or admit that you and PP are grasping at straws.

Something bad happened to a child (that I refuse to look up- which is why I don't watch the news) and that means that I don't care about children?

I detect a logical fallacy.

I point, dimwit, is that there are not resources/care/etc. to take care of children AFTER they are born. Some live miserable lives because the mothers were ill equipped or didn't care about the children.

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Anonymous wrote: I am so sorry, PP, and am so sorry that I have just these feeble words. I have not had a pregnancy crisis, but watched my sister go through one last year and now I have a terror of this pregnancy ending poorly. Hers was such that she had an abortion at 15 weeks. I was always pro-choice (some would say militantly), but watching that strengthened my beliefs. Peace to you.

Thank you, PPs. Threads like this get me so furious, because I, your sister, the PP who experienced two ectopic pregnancies, LIVID (who has posted on DCUM about her experience), and countless other women know first-hand how pregnancy can turn on a dime from happy to tragic. It disgusts me that there are people out there who know nothing about us, who know nothing about our families and our circumstances, and would presume to dictate what we should or should not do based on their own personal belief system.

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First, I apologize to real DCUMers because I'm apparently entertaining a troll. Second, I ask not of this particular troll but of all abortion -related morons out there: Where were you for Relisha? What are you doing for the next Relisha?

Who is Relisha and what does she have to do with justifying killing babies? What are you doing for the next Relisha since you know so much about her? Or is "just kill 'em all" your motto.

I would be a troll if I was responding because I thought it was funny. This is not funny and it is nothing to troll about.

If you don't know who Relisha is you can get the fuck off this board, since if you don't you are clearly not a DC urban mom.

So what you are saying is that you lack the ability to have an intellectual conversation, and that you really cannot connect this girl you brought up to the subject at hand.

Therefore you are just throwing things at the wall, and hoping something sticks so that you don't have to address your bloodthirsty tendencies and lack of regard for innocent humans being slaughtered.

Did you even bother to look up who Relisha is? I'm guessing not, since you're just slinging insults at the PP, and that's incredibly offensive. The direct correlation that I see is this: anti-choicers tend to favor only the policies that would get more people born. They don't care about wider insurance coverage, they don't care about pay parity, or a living minimum wage (and they tend to be embarrassingly under-informed in regards to why these issues are important at all), they don't care about a strong safety net in general - such as one that might have caught Relisha... If you want to talk the anti-choice talk, you might want to walk the true caring path of making sure that more people can take care of their own families.

And again, here's where the insane cruelty of the anti-choice opinion is like swallowing glass: if abortion were illegal today, it wouldn't stop it. Those with money would fly to where it's legal - my mother remembers a classmate going abroad in the middle of the school year - those without risk their lives with whatever option they can find, or are forced to bear children they have decided they cannot have. That is an immoral position and undermines whatever moral ground you perceive yourself to have.

Of course I didn't look it up! If I wanted to fill my head with gore and trash then I'd have a TV in my home! I don't fill my mind with talking heads and propaganda on a daily basis under the guise of "informing myself".

So from what you wrote- the story really has nothing to do with killing innocent babies and the callous attitudes of mothers who hire assassins to kill their children. You are just using it as a tool to justify the horrible actions.

There are poor people- so you are wrong for saying we shouldn't kill babies!

The policies are bad so how dare you not support infant genocide!

Anti-choice is such a stupid term. I suppose that makes you Pro-murder. People who are anti-baby murdering are not a monolith. Insurance, policies, pay, etc has nothing to do with the issue at hand. The issue is not the law- the issue is the conditions of people's hearts that lead them to have such a lack in conscience.

Furthermore, you cannot determine how each individual feels about policies. I do not believe in murdering babies...that doesn't mean that you can determine how I feel about other issues. Nor can you determine my personal efforts to help the less fortunate simply based on my statements.

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First, I apologize to real DCUMers because I'm apparently entertaining a troll. Second, I ask not of this particular troll but of all abortion -related morons out there: Where were you for Relisha? What are you doing for the next Relisha?

Who is Relisha and what does she have to do with justifying killing babies? What are you doing for the next Relisha since you know so much about her? Or is "just kill 'em all" your motto.

I would be a troll if I was responding because I thought it was funny. This is not funny and it is nothing to troll about.

If you don't know who Relisha is you can get the fuck off this board, since if you don't you are clearly not a DC urban mom.

So what you are saying is that you lack the ability to have an intellectual conversation, and that you really cannot connect this girl you brought up to the subject at hand.

Therefore you are just throwing things at the wall, and hoping something sticks so that you don't have to address your bloodthirsty tendencies and lack of regard for innocent humans being slaughtered.

Did you even bother to look up who Relisha is? I'm guessing not, since you're just slinging insults at the PP, and that's incredibly offensive. The direct correlation that I see is this: anti-choicers tend to favor only the policies that would get more people born. They don't care about wider insurance coverage, they don't care about pay parity, or a living minimum wage (and they tend to be embarrassingly under-informed in regards to why these issues are important at all), they don't care about a strong safety net in general - such as one that might have caught Relisha... If you want to talk the anti-choice talk, you might want to walk the true caring path of making sure that more people can take care of their own families.

And again, here's where the insane cruelty of the anti-choice opinion is like swallowing glass: if abortion were illegal today, it wouldn't stop it. Those with money would fly to where it's legal - my mother remembers a classmate going abroad in the middle of the school year - those without risk their lives with whatever option they can find, or are forced to bear children they have decided they cannot have. That is an immoral position and undermines whatever moral ground you perceive yourself to have.

Of course I didn't look it up! If I wanted to fill my head with gore and trash then I'd have a TV in my home! I don't fill my mind with talking heads and propaganda on a daily basis under the guise of "informing myself".

So from what you wrote- the story really has nothing to do with killing innocent babies and the callous attitudes of mothers who hire assassins to kill their children. You are just using it as a tool to justify the horrible actions.

There are poor people- so you are wrong for saying we shouldn't kill babies!

The policies are bad so how dare you not support infant genocide!

Anti-choice is such a stupid term. I suppose that makes you Pro-murder. People who are anti-baby murdering are not a monolith. Insurance, policies, pay, etc has nothing to do with the issue at hand. The issue is not the law- the issue is the conditions of people's hearts that lead them to have such a lack in conscience.

Furthermore, you cannot determine how each individual feels about policies. I do not believe in murdering babies...that doesn't mean that you can determine how I feel about other issues. Nor can you determine my personal efforts to help the less fortunate simply based on my statements.

No, but we can determine that you are existing in a fantasy land where everything is black and white and people should make all their decisions based on your religious beliefs.

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First, I apologize to real DCUMers because I'm apparently entertaining a troll. Second, I ask not of this particular troll but of all abortion -related morons out there: Where were you for Relisha? What are you doing for the next Relisha?

Who is Relisha and what does she have to do with justifying killing babies? What are you doing for the next Relisha since you know so much about her? Or is "just kill 'em all" your motto.

I would be a troll if I was responding because I thought it was funny. This is not funny and it is nothing to troll about.

If you don't know who Relisha is you can get the fuck off this board, since if you don't you are clearly not a DC urban mom.

So what you are saying is that you lack the ability to have an intellectual conversation, and that you really cannot connect this girl you brought up to the subject at hand.

Therefore you are just throwing things at the wall, and hoping something sticks so that you don't have to address your bloodthirsty tendencies and lack of regard for innocent humans being slaughtered.

But really. You don't live in or around DC if you don't know who this poor girl is. Her story is heartbreaking. And PP is trying to show that your concern for children seems to begin and end with posting incendiary messages about fetuses on message board in a city where you don't live.

I don't watch the news, so if you have a point to make then make it. Connect your point to the issue at hand. Or admit that you and PP are grasping at straws.

Something bad happened to a child (that I refuse to look up- which is why I don't watch the news) and that means that I don't care about children?

I detect a logical fallacy.

I point, dimwit, is that there are not resources/care/etc. to take care of children AFTER they are born. Some live miserable lives because the mothers were ill equipped or didn't care about the children.

That doesn't justify killing babies.

There are people in hospitals right now living miserable lives. Should we kill them? There are people who can't afford hospital treatments and they are miserable. Should we send them to the gas chambers? There are people who are homeless and hungry- is it charitable to exterminate them? There are people who had it ROUGH but grew up to do great things. Should we have killed them early?

Give it a rest. There ARE enough resources to care for people. But there will always be the less fortunate because of the callous disregard for human life. People are selfish, materialistic, and lack compassion. THAT is the problem.

Don't tell me about resources when people are on here buying million dollar homes, vacation homes, fancy clothes and all of that. Sure, you have a right to buy what you want, but issue is not resources. The issue is that people don't want to use THEIR resources to help others. They want to pass it off on someone else, maybe cut a check for $100 and then call it a day. Then act like they are so enlightened and merciful because they support infant genocide.

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No, but we can determine that you are existing in a fantasy land where everything is black and white and people should make all their decisions based on your religious beliefs.

If you need a religion to tell you that it is wrong to kill babies then how sad for you.

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I don't watch the news, so if you have a point to make then make it. Connect your point to the issue at hand. Or admit that you and PP are grasping at straws.

Something bad happened to a child (that I refuse to look up- which is why I don't watch the news) and that means that I don't care about children?

I detect a logical fallacy.

I point, dimwit, is that there are not resources/care/etc. to take care of children AFTER they are born. Some live miserable lives because the mothers were ill equipped or didn't care about the children.

That doesn't justify killing babies.

There are people in hospitals right now living miserable lives. Should we kill them? There are people who can't afford hospital treatments and they are miserable. Should we send them to the gas chambers? There are people who are homeless and hungry- is it charitable to exterminate them? There are people who had it ROUGH but grew up to do great things. Should we have killed them early?

Give it a rest. There ARE enough resources to care for people. But there will always be the less fortunate because of the callous disregard for human life. People are selfish, materialistic, and lack compassion. THAT is the problem.

Don't tell me about resources when people are on here buying million dollar homes, vacation homes, fancy clothes and all of that. Sure, you have a right to buy what you want, but issue is not resources. The issue is that people don't want to use THEIR resources to help others. They want to pass it off on someone else, maybe cut a check for $100 and then call it a day. Then act like they are so enlightened and merciful because they support infant genocide.



Sorry, fetus is not a person. You will lose this argument every time because you refuse to believe in science and medicine.

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No, but we can determine that you are existing in a fantasy land where everything is black and white and people should make all their decisions based on your religious beliefs.

If you need a religion to tell you that it is wrong to kill babies then how sad for you.

Not babies, try again.

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Anonymous wrote:This is off topic- but I'm curious as to what the adoptive moms think is the problem if there are over 100,000 kids in the foster system classified as "awaiting adoption" and there is a apparently a pool of parents eagerly awaiting them.

Attachment disorder is a major issue with kids in foster care. By the time parental rights are terminated, horrible years of neglect, abuse, violence, sexual abuse have likely occurred. It doesn't make someone a bad person to realistically look at the situation and honestly admit that they are not prepared to take on those kinds of needs from day one. And attachment disorder cannot be "cured" by just loving a kid enough. There are more than a few documented cases of adoptive parents having to turn kids back over to the state because the attachment disorder was the root of violent behviaor often directed at other siblings in the home. The fault lies of course with birth parents who should have been on birth control and then the fault lies with local CPS for focusing one goal only which is reunification. Im sorry, any parent who commits these acts of abuse and neglect and abuse CANNOT be rehabilitated and should have parental rights terminated as soon as possible. That the way the kid might have a chance at recovery and would be younger and more likely to be adopted.

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Anonymous wrote:This is off topic- but I'm curious as to what the adoptive moms think is the problem if there are over 100,000 kids in the foster system classified as "awaiting adoption" and there is a apparently a pool of parents eagerly awaiting them.

Attachment disorder is a major issue with kids in foster care. By the time parental rights are terminated, horrible years of neglect, abuse, violence, sexual abuse have likely occurred. It doesn't make someone a bad person to realistically look at the situation and honestly admit that they are not prepared to take on those kinds of needs from day one. And attachment disorder cannot be "cured" by just loving a kid enough. There are more than a few documented cases of adoptive parents having to turn kids back over to the state because the attachment disorder was the root of violent behviaor often directed at other siblings in the home. The fault lies of course with birth parents who should have been on birth control and then the fault lies with local CPS for focusing one goal only which is reunification. Im sorry, any parent who commits these acts of abuse and neglect and abuse CANNOT be rehabilitated and should have parental rights terminated as soon as possible. That the way the kid might have a chance at recovery and would be younger and more likely to be adopted.

I don't disagree with your overall point, but I wanted to ask what sorts of things you would consider to be acts of abuse and neglect that cannot be rehabilitated. How serious would an offense have to be for the child to be removed directly to foster care? I am by no means naive about the kinds of horrible home situations that children are all too often returned to, but I also recognize that it's hard to assess whether a child will be more damaged by foster placements and being in the system generally speaking than they will be by remaining with their family of origin. It's been my observation that in many cases, children are kept in their families of origin in cases where the abuse and/or neglect is not so profound that there is no hope of rehabilitating the parent(s). It's just not always that simple.

Interested to hear your thoughts.

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Absolutely. We do not give people the right to choose to take others' lives, period. That is not in the Constitution, that is not natural law, that is against all of what human nature has ever stood for.

In what country do you live? Because in the U.S., the Supreme Court determined that yes, that right is in the Constitution.