If you had an abortion you really didn't want to have

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And again, the stunning lack of real empathy, you know, for the born: if you outlaw abortion, you'll just lose women.

But that's OK, because those women were sluts who should have kept their legs closed! Right, "pro-life" PPs?

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First, I apologize to real DCUMers because I'm apparently entertaining a troll. Second, I ask not of this particular troll but of all abortion -related morons out there: Where were you for Relisha? What are you doing for the next Relisha?

Who is Relisha and what does she have to do with justifying killing babies? What are you doing for the next Relisha since you know so much about her? Or is "just kill 'em all" your motto.

I would be a troll if I was responding because I thought it was funny. This is not funny and it is nothing to troll about.

If you don't know who Relisha is you can get the fuck off this board, since if you don't you are clearly not a DC urban mom.

So what you are saying is that you lack the ability to have an intellectual conversation, and that you really cannot connect this girl you brought up to the subject at hand.

Therefore you are just throwing things at the wall, and hoping something sticks so that you don't have to address your bloodthirsty tendencies and lack of regard for innocent humans being slaughtered.

Did you even bother to look up who Relisha is? I'm guessing not, since you're just slinging insults at the PP, and that's incredibly offensive. The direct correlation that I see is this: anti-choicers tend to favor only the policies that would get more people born. They don't care about wider insurance coverage, they don't care about pay parity, or a living minimum wage (and they tend to be embarrassingly under-informed in regards to why these issues are important at all), they don't care about a strong safety net in general - such as one that might have caught Relisha... If you want to talk the anti-choice talk, you might want to walk the true caring path of making sure that more people can take care of their own families.

And again, here's where the insane cruelty of the anti-choice opinion is like swallowing glass: if abortion were illegal today, it wouldn't stop it. Those with money would fly to where it's legal - my mother remembers a classmate going abroad in the middle of the school year - those without risk their lives with whatever option they can find, or are forced to bear children they have decided they cannot have. That is an immoral position and undermines whatever moral ground you perceive yourself to have.

Of course I didn't look it up! If I wanted to fill my head with gore and trash then I'd have a TV in my home! I don't fill my mind with talking heads and propaganda on a daily basis under the guise of "informing myself".

So from what you wrote- the story really has nothing to do with killing innocent babies and the callous attitudes of mothers who hire assassins to kill their children. You are just using it as a tool to justify the horrible actions.

There are poor people- so you are wrong for saying we shouldn't kill babies!

The policies are bad so how dare you not support infant genocide!

Anti-choice is such a stupid term. I suppose that makes you Pro-murder. People who are anti-baby murdering are not a monolith. Insurance, policies, pay, etc has nothing to do with the issue at hand. The issue is not the law- the issue is the conditions of people's hearts that lead them to have such a lack in conscience.

Furthermore, you cannot determine how each individual feels about policies. I do not believe in murdering babies...that doesn't mean that you can determine how I feel about other issues. Nor can you determine my personal efforts to help the less fortunate simply based on my statements.

I really shouldn't engage further with someone who so obviously misses basic points (you are on the internet, right now. Using said internet to research a probably deceased little girl - who, again, you would have heard of if you either lived in this area or ever left your house - does not mean you would have a television in the house. ?)

Abortion is not "killing innocent babies." And you are anti-choice, 100%. No one who is pro-choice is pro-murder, in the first, because abortion isn't murder and in the second, because we believe that such a personal choice should be left to the woman who knows her circumstances, the support available to her, the dangers she might face, and whether that's keeping it, ending it or giving it up for adoption she should be supported.

And I didn't say anything about how individuals feel about social policy, I said what anti-choicers tend to vote. What I said is borne out by surveys and studies.

And again, the stunning lack of real empathy, you know, for the born: if you outlaw abortion, you'll just lose women. I notice you failed to address that.

Abortion is murder. For goodness sakes, until very recently babies would be killed halfway out the womb until the label of "abortion choice".

Just because abortion is legal, it doesn't mean it is not murder. But you have to tell yourself that it is not murder because you have a small slice of humanity. And how can a human support murder?

Who said anything about outlawing abortion? In the very post you quoted, it says:

The issue is not the law- the issue is the conditions of people's hearts that lead them to have such a lack in conscience.

I don't care about the laws. I care that people are filled with such depravity, and then have the nerve to be so casual about it. You cannot legislate morality. Whether it is legal or not, it doesn't matter. It shouldn't even cross your mind- "hey I am pregnant. I am about to go pay someone to kill the baby"

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I don't care about the laws.

Well clearly, since people like you keep injuring and killing clinic workers.

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PP, you are clearly not reading if you think all the stories posted here show women who are callous and depraved. You are showing a lot more compassion for the fetuses than you are for actual human beings at a very difficult time.

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Keep it up, PP! Every single time you post your melodramatic fantasy-world BS, you are proving to the world that you are utterly irrational.

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PP, are you anti-war? Are you anti-capital punishment? Are you vegan?

If you answered anything but yes to any of those questions, you are clearly okay with killing on some level, just not this one.

In a death penalty case, a group of individuals has agreed that another individual deserves to die.

In a war, individuals make decisions to kill other individuals.

People who eat meat make the decision to consume the bodies of animals who have been killed and support industries that cause those deaths.

Unless you call all soldiers, people who sit on death penalty case juries and the judges who preside over those cases (as well as the staff of the prisons and the people who administer the drugs), and everyone who consumes animal products a "murderer", you are on very slippery ground.

I don't think that anyone ever denied that abortion was killing. There are various arguments about when life begins, but when I had my abortion, I knew that I was ending a life. It was not an easy decision. Telling me that I'm a murderer or an assassin would not have changed my decision then nor would such accusations cause me to feel regret now.

Many people are casual about military service. Does that make them depraved?

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Anonymous wrote:How did you know they were all there for an abortion? I've been to PP many times, but have never had an abortion.

The young woman was very chatty. She saw I had been sitting there for a long time and asked if I was still waiting. I told her I was with a friend and she said that was nice, that her boyfriend had to work so he couldn't be there with her. She talked more about where she lived, what she was studying, etc. She seemed very sweet. After a while she went in for the ultrasound and then returned to the waiting room and talked some more. Once it was clear what she was there for, I said "sorry you're going through this." She smiled and said "it's fine. It's my choice, you know?" As I said before, I didn't judge her at all. I just wish my friend could have been that at peace with her decision before going through the procedure.

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I don't care about the laws.

Well clearly, since people like you keep injuring and killing clinic workers.

No, people like me do not go anywhere near such clinics.

Do you have something intelligent to add, or would you like to pretend we are 12 years old?

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I don't care about the laws.

Well clearly, since people like you keep injuring and killing clinic workers.

No, people like me do not go anywhere near such clinics.

Do you have something intelligent to add, or would you like to pretend we are 12 years old?

Okay, we should probably stop feeding it now.

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Anonymous wrote:No, people like me do not go anywhere near such clinics.

Do you have something intelligent to add, or would you like to pretend we are 12 years old?

See, you're not doing very well here. Maybe it's time for you to leave. Don't you need to organize your collection of aborted fetus pictures and newspaper clippings about the Gosnell case?

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Anonymous wrote:How did you know they were all there for an abortion? I've been to PP many times, but have never had an abortion.

The young woman was very chatty. She saw I had been sitting there for a long time and asked if I was still waiting. I told her I was with a friend and she said that was nice, that her boyfriend had to work so he couldn't be there with her. She talked more about where she lived, what she was studying, etc. She seemed very sweet. After a while she went in for the ultrasound and then returned to the waiting room and talked some more. Once it was clear what she was there for, I said "sorry you're going through this." She smiled and said "it's fine. It's my choice, you know?" As I said before, I didn't judge her at all. I just wish my friend could have been that at peace with her decision before going through the procedure.

She may very well sing a different tune 10 or 15 years from now when she wants to get pregnant and can't. And OP, don't be so naive. Just because she appeared to be so flippant to you, a stranger, in a 10 minute conversation, doesn't mean that she wasn't dying inside.

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Anonymous wrote:How did you know they were all there for an abortion? I've been to PP many times, but have never had an abortion.

The young woman was very chatty. She saw I had been sitting there for a long time and asked if I was still waiting. I told her I was with a friend and she said that was nice, that her boyfriend had to work so he couldn't be there with her. She talked more about where she lived, what she was studying, etc. She seemed very sweet. After a while she went in for the ultrasound and then returned to the waiting room and talked some more. Once it was clear what she was there for, I said "sorry you're going through this." She smiled and said "it's fine. It's my choice, you know?" As I said before, I didn't judge her at all. I just wish my friend could have been that at peace with her decision before going through the procedure.

You said "different women." Now, it's just one woman?

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Anonymous wrote:How did you know they were all there for an abortion? I've been to PP many times, but have never had an abortion.

The young woman was very chatty. She saw I had been sitting there for a long time and asked if I was still waiting. I told her I was with a friend and she said that was nice, that her boyfriend had to work so he couldn't be there with her. She talked more about where she lived, what she was studying, etc. She seemed very sweet. After a while she went in for the ultrasound and then returned to the waiting room and talked some more. Once it was clear what she was there for, I said "sorry you're going through this." She smiled and said "it's fine. It's my choice, you know?" As I said before, I didn't judge her at all. I just wish my friend could have been that at peace with her decision before going through the procedure.

She may very well sing a different tune 10 or 15 years from now when she wants to get pregnant and can't. And OP, don't be so naive. Just because she appeared to be so flippant to you, a stranger, in a 10 minute conversation, doesn't mean that she wasn't dying inside.

Yeah, I'll need a citation connecting infertility to abortion, thanks.

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Anonymous wrote:How did you know they were all there for an abortion? I've been to PP many times, but have never had an abortion.

The young woman was very chatty. She saw I had been sitting there for a long time and asked if I was still waiting. I told her I was with a friend and she said that was nice, that her boyfriend had to work so he couldn't be there with her. She talked more about where she lived, what she was studying, etc. She seemed very sweet. After a while she went in for the ultrasound and then returned to the waiting room and talked some more. Once it was clear what she was there for, I said "sorry you're going through this." She smiled and said "it's fine. It's my choice, you know?" As I said before, I didn't judge her at all. I just wish my friend could have been that at peace with her decision before going through the procedure.

She may very well sing a different tune 10 or 15 years from now when she wants to get pregnant and can't. And OP, don't be so naive. Just because she appeared to be so flippant to you, a stranger, in a 10 minute conversation, doesn't mean that she wasn't dying inside.

Yeah, I'll need a citation connecting infertility to abortion, thanks.

I never associated the abortion with future infertility. (That's your Freudian leap.) She could still have plenty of infertility problems irrelevant to the abortion, and live to regret the day she had it.

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Anonymous wrote:How did you know they were all there for an abortion? I've been to PP many times, but have never had an abortion.

The young woman was very chatty. She saw I had been sitting there for a long time and asked if I was still waiting. I told her I was with a friend and she said that was nice, that her boyfriend had to work so he couldn't be there with her. She talked more about where she lived, what she was studying, etc. She seemed very sweet. After a while she went in for the ultrasound and then returned to the waiting room and talked some more. Once it was clear what she was there for, I said "sorry you're going through this." She smiled and said "it's fine. It's my choice, you know?" As I said before, I didn't judge her at all. I just wish my friend could have been that at peace with her decision before going through the procedure.

She may very well sing a different tune 10 or 15 years from now when she wants to get pregnant and can't. And OP, don't be so naive. Just because she appeared to be so flippant to you, a stranger, in a 10 minute conversation, doesn't mean that she wasn't dying inside.

Yeah, I'll need a citation connecting infertility to abortion, thanks.

I never associated the abortion with future infertility. (That's your Freudian leap.) She could still have plenty of infertility problems irrelevant to the abortion, and live to regret the day she had it.

She may have infertility issues, she may be dying inside, she may be Jesus Christ reincarnated, she may be made entirely of string cheese.... What is the point of making up a back story for this woman?