If you had an abortion you really didn't want to have

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Anonymous wrote:How did you know they were all there for an abortion? I've been to PP many times, but have never had an abortion.

The young woman was very chatty. She saw I had been sitting there for a long time and asked if I was still waiting. I told her I was with a friend and she said that was nice, that her boyfriend had to work so he couldn't be there with her. She talked more about where she lived, what she was studying, etc. She seemed very sweet. After a while she went in for the ultrasound and then returned to the waiting room and talked some more. Once it was clear what she was there for, I said "sorry you're going through this." She smiled and said "it's fine. It's my choice, you know?" As I said before, I didn't judge her at all. I just wish my friend could have been that at peace with her decision before going through the procedure.

She may very well sing a different tune 10 or 15 years from now when she wants to get pregnant and can't. And OP, don't be so naive. Just because she appeared to be so flippant to you, a stranger, in a 10 minute conversation, doesn't mean that she wasn't dying inside.

Yeah, I'll need a citation connecting infertility to abortion, thanks.

I never associated the abortion with future infertility. (That's your Freudian leap.) She could still have plenty of infertility problems irrelevant to the abortion, and live to regret the day she had it.

She may have infertility issues, she may be dying inside, she may be Jesus Christ reincarnated, she may be made entirely of string cheese.... What is the point of making up a back story for this woman?

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Anonymous wrote:"There are seemingly not enough!"

Are you serious with this? There are thousands of children awaiting homes. There just may not be enough pretty, non-disabled, white babies for you. I promise that if you want to adopt, there are foster children who would be placed in a hot minute. Don't ask me to incubate for you.

You don't have to incubate for ME. You do have to incubate for the child whom you have created, yes. I am pro-choice up to the moment of conception and then, after that, the choice has been made and, from there, you have a choice to keep the child and make an adoption plan. I am pro all either of these choices.

I don't think you understand what pro-choice means.

So you would never do IVF, either, correct?

(That was directed at pro-choice to moment of conception poster)

You are losing track of your posters. I (pp) am the poster (from 12:02) who said that we did IVF but accounted for every embryo. Full explanation at 12:02.

So you admit to murdering 5 babies.

No, I had them all put into my uterus.

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Anonymous wrote:"There are seemingly not enough!"

Are you serious with this? There are thousands of children awaiting homes. There just may not be enough pretty, non-disabled, white babies for you. I promise that if you want to adopt, there are foster children who would be placed in a hot minute. Don't ask me to incubate for you.

You don't have to incubate for ME. You do have to incubate for the child whom you have created, yes. I am pro-choice up to the moment of conception and then, after that, the choice has been made and, from there, you have a choice to keep the child and make an adoption plan. I am pro all either of these choices.

I don't think you understand what pro-choice means.

So you would never do IVF, either, correct?

(That was directed at pro-choice to moment of conception poster)

You are losing track of your posters. I (pp) am the poster (from 12:02) who said that we did IVF but accounted for every embryo. Full explanation at 12:02.

So you admit to murdering 5 babies.

No, I had them all put into my uterus.

And they all died! Can you imagine a scenario where, if five 6-month-olds died in someone's care, they wouldn't at least be investigated? If fetus = baby, shouldn't the state be examining your culpability? Or at least your fitness as a mother?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:"There are seemingly not enough!"

Are you serious with this? There are thousands of children awaiting homes. There just may not be enough pretty, non-disabled, white babies for you. I promise that if you want to adopt, there are foster children who would be placed in a hot minute. Don't ask me to incubate for you.

You don't have to incubate for ME. You do have to incubate for the child whom you have created, yes. I am pro-choice up to the moment of conception and then, after that, the choice has been made and, from there, you have a choice to keep the child and make an adoption plan. I am pro all either of these choices.

I don't think you understand what pro-choice means.

So you would never do IVF, either, correct?

(That was directed at pro-choice to moment of conception poster)

You are losing track of your posters. I (pp) am the poster (from 12:02) who said that we did IVF but accounted for every embryo. Full explanation at 12:02.

So you admit to murdering 5 babies.

No, I had them all put into my uterus.

And they all died! Can you imagine a scenario where, if five 6-month-olds died in someone's care, they wouldn't at least be investigated? If fetus = baby, shouldn't the state be examining your culpability? Or at least your fitness as a mother?

You are really going off the deep end now.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"There are seemingly not enough!"

Are you serious with this? There are thousands of children awaiting homes. There just may not be enough pretty, non-disabled, white babies for you. I promise that if you want to adopt, there are foster children who would be placed in a hot minute. Don't ask me to incubate for you.

You don't have to incubate for ME. You do have to incubate for the child whom you have created, yes. I am pro-choice up to the moment of conception and then, after that, the choice has been made and, from there, you have a choice to keep the child and make an adoption plan. I am pro all either of these choices.

I don't think you understand what pro-choice means.

So you would never do IVF, either, correct?

(That was directed at pro-choice to moment of conception poster)

You are losing track of your posters. I (pp) am the poster (from 12:02) who said that we did IVF but accounted for every embryo. Full explanation at 12:02.

So you admit to murdering 5 babies.

No, I had them all put into my uterus.

And they all died! Can you imagine a scenario where, if five 6-month-olds died in someone's care, they wouldn't at least be investigated? If fetus = baby, shouldn't the state be examining your culpability? Or at least your fitness as a mother?

You are really going off the deep end now.

Hey, I'm just taking PP's position to its logical conclusion. If embryo or fetus = baby, then it always does, not just when it's convenient for pro-lifers.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"There are seemingly not enough!"

Are you serious with this? There are thousands of children awaiting homes. There just may not be enough pretty, non-disabled, white babies for you. I promise that if you want to adopt, there are foster children who would be placed in a hot minute. Don't ask me to incubate for you.

You don't have to incubate for ME. You do have to incubate for the child whom you have created, yes. I am pro-choice up to the moment of conception and then, after that, the choice has been made and, from there, you have a choice to keep the child and make an adoption plan. I am pro all either of these choices.

I don't think you understand what pro-choice means.

So you would never do IVF, either, correct?

(That was directed at pro-choice to moment of conception poster)

You are losing track of your posters. I (pp) am the poster (from 12:02) who said that we did IVF but accounted for every embryo. Full explanation at 12:02.

So you admit to murdering 5 babies.

No, I had them all put into my uterus.

And they all died! Can you imagine a scenario where, if five 6-month-olds died in someone's care, they wouldn't at least be investigated? If fetus = baby, shouldn't the state be examining your culpability? Or at least your fitness as a mother?

You are really going off the deep end now.

Hey, I'm just taking PP's position to its logical conclusion. If embryo or fetus = baby, then it always does, not just when it's convenient for pro-lifers.

Lady, you are cornfused. I am sorry b/c it seems you have a shaky moral foundation and therefore are twisted up in your logic and emotion. I can extrapolate to see why people like you, who appear so angry and emotional and defensive, think abortion is okay, then.

Child dies at the hand of God/fate/nature -- whether in womb or not -- no human interference = no human culpability
Child des at the hand of human interference -- whether in womb or not = human culpability

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"There are seemingly not enough!"

Are you serious with this? There are thousands of children awaiting homes. There just may not be enough pretty, non-disabled, white babies for you. I promise that if you want to adopt, there are foster children who would be placed in a hot minute. Don't ask me to incubate for you.

You don't have to incubate for ME. You do have to incubate for the child whom you have created, yes. I am pro-choice up to the moment of conception and then, after that, the choice has been made and, from there, you have a choice to keep the child and make an adoption plan. I am pro all either of these choices.

I don't think you understand what pro-choice means.

So you would never do IVF, either, correct?

(That was directed at pro-choice to moment of conception poster)

You are losing track of your posters. I (pp) am the poster (from 12:02) who said that we did IVF but accounted for every embryo. Full explanation at 12:02.

So you admit to murdering 5 babies.

No, I had them all put into my uterus.

And they all died! Can you imagine a scenario where, if five 6-month-olds died in someone's care, they wouldn't at least be investigated? If fetus = baby, shouldn't the state be examining your culpability? Or at least your fitness as a mother?

You are really going off the deep end now.

Hey, I'm just taking PP's position to its logical conclusion. If embryo or fetus = baby, then it always does, not just when it's convenient for pro-lifers.

Lady, you are cornfused. I am sorry b/c it seems you have a shaky moral foundation and therefore are twisted up in your logic and emotion. I can extrapolate to see why people like you, who appear so angry and emotional and defensive, think abortion is okay, then.

Child dies at the hand of God/fate/nature -- whether in womb or not -- no human interference = no human culpability
Child des at the hand of human interference -- whether in womb or not = human culpability

So if all your dreams come true and abortion becomes illegal in all circumstances, how will the authorities determine which woman had a miscarriage and which woman had an abortion? Shouldn't all spontaneous abortions, otherwise known as miscarriages, need to be investigated by the authorities then?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"There are seemingly not enough!"

Are you serious with this? There are thousands of children awaiting homes. There just may not be enough pretty, non-disabled, white babies for you. I promise that if you want to adopt, there are foster children who would be placed in a hot minute. Don't ask me to incubate for you.

You don't have to incubate for ME. You do have to incubate for the child whom you have created, yes. I am pro-choice up to the moment of conception and then, after that, the choice has been made and, from there, you have a choice to keep the child and make an adoption plan. I am pro all either of these choices.

I don't think you understand what pro-choice means.

So you would never do IVF, either, correct?

(That was directed at pro-choice to moment of conception poster)

You are losing track of your posters. I (pp) am the poster (from 12:02) who said that we did IVF but accounted for every embryo. Full explanation at 12:02.

So you admit to murdering 5 babies.

No, I had them all put into my uterus.

And they all died! Can you imagine a scenario where, if five 6-month-olds died in someone's care, they wouldn't at least be investigated? If fetus = baby, shouldn't the state be examining your culpability? Or at least your fitness as a mother?

You are really going off the deep end now.

Hey, I'm just taking PP's position to its logical conclusion. If embryo or fetus = baby, then it always does, not just when it's convenient for pro-lifers.

Lady, you are cornfused. I am sorry b/c it seems you have a shaky moral foundation and therefore are twisted up in your logic and emotion. I can extrapolate to see why people like you, who appear so angry and emotional and defensive, think abortion is okay, then.

Child dies at the hand of God/fate/nature -- whether in womb or not -- no human interference = no human culpability
Child des at the hand of human interference -- whether in womb or not = human culpability

So if all your dreams come true and abortion becomes illegal in all circumstances, how will the authorities determine which woman had a miscarriage and which woman had an abortion? Shouldn't all spontaneous abortions, otherwise known as miscarriages, need to be investigated by the authorities then?

I'm pro-choice, but this is a terrible argument, and not what has happened in the multitude of other countries where abortion is, unfortunately, illegal. Lots and lots and lots of other unfortunate effects. But leave the IVF poster alone - she clearly tried to act in line with her particular ethics. I wish we could all agree that she should be able to legally force that on others, but it seems to me that she did her best given her circumstances.

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* "shouldn't" be able to force her ethics on others. Oops.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How did you know they were all there for an abortion? I've been to PP many times, but have never had an abortion.

The young woman was very chatty. She saw I had been sitting there for a long time and asked if I was still waiting. I told her I was with a friend and she said that was nice, that her boyfriend had to work so he couldn't be there with her. She talked more about where she lived, what she was studying, etc. She seemed very sweet. After a while she went in for the ultrasound and then returned to the waiting room and talked some more. Once it was clear what she was there for, I said "sorry you're going through this." She smiled and said "it's fine. It's my choice, you know?" As I said before, I didn't judge her at all. I just wish my friend could have been that at peace with her decision before going through the procedure.

She may very well sing a different tune 10 or 15 years from now when she wants to get pregnant and can't. And OP, don't be so naive. Just because she appeared to be so flippant to you, a stranger, in a 10 minute conversation, doesn't mean that she wasn't dying inside.

Yeah, I'll need a citation connecting infertility to abortion, thanks.

I never associated the abortion with future infertility. (That's your Freudian leap.) She could still have plenty of infertility problems irrelevant to the abortion, and live to regret the day she had it.

She may have infertility issues, she may be dying inside, she may be Jesus Christ reincarnated, she may be made entirely of string cheese.... What is the point of making up a back story for this woman?

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You're rather young, aren't you? Take it from someone who has been around long enough to see things like this move full circle. This is no "back story." It's the reality of what often happens when feelings/ thinking evolves as we mature.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:How did you know they were all there for an abortion? I've been to PP many times, but have never had an abortion.

The young woman was very chatty. She saw I had been sitting there for a long time and asked if I was still waiting. I told her I was with a friend and she said that was nice, that her boyfriend had to work so he couldn't be there with her. She talked more about where she lived, what she was studying, etc. She seemed very sweet. After a while she went in for the ultrasound and then returned to the waiting room and talked some more. Once it was clear what she was there for, I said "sorry you're going through this." She smiled and said "it's fine. It's my choice, you know?" As I said before, I didn't judge her at all. I just wish my friend could have been that at peace with her decision before going through the procedure.

She may very well sing a different tune 10 or 15 years from now when she wants to get pregnant and can't. And OP, don't be so naive. Just because she appeared to be so flippant to you, a stranger, in a 10 minute conversation, doesn't mean that she wasn't dying inside.

Yeah, I'll need a citation connecting infertility to abortion, thanks.

I never associated the abortion with future infertility. (That's your Freudian leap.) She could still have plenty of infertility problems irrelevant to the abortion, and live to regret the day she had it.

She may have infertility issues, she may be dying inside, she may be Jesus Christ reincarnated, she may be made entirely of string cheese.... What is the point of making up a back story for this woman?

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You're rather young, aren't you? Take it from someone who has been around long enough to see things like this move full circle. This is no "back story." It's the reality of what often happens when feelings/ thinking evolves as we mature.

It's becoming unclear who is arguing with who or what viewpoint, but the suggestion that as we mature, our politics inevitably go one way is tired and offensive.

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Anonymous wrote:"putting out a hit on her own child". conservatives need to stop being so damn hilarious when discussion abortion for there to be an actual discourse.

What language would you use to describe a mother deliberately killing her own child?

I don't judge people nor do I comment on other women's choices regarding their own bodies so I guess the answer is "none".

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Anonymous wrote:"putting out a hit on her own child". conservatives need to stop being so damn hilarious when discussion abortion for there to be an actual discourse.

What language would you use to describe a mother deliberately killing her own child?

I don't judge people nor do I comment on other women's choices regarding their own bodies so I guess the answer is "none".

Sorry, me again, I don't judge people with regard to abortion/health care ... of course I judge people outside of that, I'm human and not out to pretend I'm better than anyone else.
Some of you should think about that and give a try!

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Anonymous wrote:"There are seemingly not enough!"

Are you serious with this? There are thousands of children awaiting homes. There just may not be enough pretty, non-disabled, white babies for you. I promise that if you want to adopt, there are foster children who would be placed in a hot minute. Don't ask me to incubate for you.

You don't have to incubate for ME. You do have to incubate for the child whom you have created, yes. I am pro-choice up to the moment of conception and then, after that, the choice has been made and, from there, you have a choice to keep the child and make an adoption plan. I am pro all either of these choices.

I don't think you understand what pro-choice means.

So you would never do IVF, either, correct?

(That was directed at pro-choice to moment of conception poster)

You are losing track of your posters. I (pp) am the poster (from 12:02) who said that we did IVF but accounted for every embryo. Full explanation at 12:02.

So you admit to murdering 5 babies.

No, I had them all put into my uterus.

And they all died! Can you imagine a scenario where, if five 6-month-olds died in someone's care, they wouldn't at least be investigated? If fetus = baby, shouldn't the state be examining your culpability? Or at least your fitness as a mother?

This is not even cogent, and certainly isn't the "logical" conclusion of anything. I'm not even arguing with you or or one of the PPs, but this is just nonsense.