Trump govt is deporting Green Card holder student exercising free speech

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Anonymous wrote:The real question is how did this guy get a green card in the first place. It sounds like all DHS needed to do was google him.

He has a conditional green card through marriage. He probably got it approved before Oct 7. Thing is, he has to file to lift conditions to make it a long term green card and under these conditions he is out of luck. Even if he goes through immigration court I don’t see a permanent green card approved for him. He can go protest in Syria.

There was no warrant to pick him up in the first place. they moved him from NJ to Lousiana (ie 5th circuit court) without cause.

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Anonymous wrote:The real question is how did this guy get a green card in the first place. It sounds like all DHS needed to do was google him.

He has a conditional green card through marriage. He probably got it approved before Oct 7. Thing is, he has to file to lift conditions to make it a long term green card and under these conditions he is out of luck. Even if he goes through immigration court I don’t see a permanent green card approved for him. He can go protest in Syria.

It doesn’t matter. Run of the mill green card applicants wait years to get their cards approve. The slightest whiff of anything leads to a rejection. He is never getting his conditional green card switched to a permanent green card, which means he will have to leave. This is separate from his rights etc etc.
There was no warrant to pick him up in the first place. they moved him from NJ to Lousiana (ie 5th circuit court) without cause.

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It doesn’t matter. Run of the mill green card applicants wait years to get their cards approve. The slightest whiff of anything leads to a rejection. He is never getting his conditional green card switched to a permanent green card, which means he will have to leave. This is separate from his rights etc etc.

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Anonymous wrote:When my parents immigrated to the US in the 1970s (NYC) they were told by their friends: never, ever express support for Palestinians or talk about their brutal oppression. Doing so could cost you your job or land you on government watch lists.

I guess the new generation of immigrants didn’t get the memo.

Agreed.
Not sure where the chain letter fell apart - back then, everyone knew that criticism of one (and only one) foreign nation would be treated as a national security violation justifying deprivation of one’s rights under color of law.

Maybe Trump will pardon him, since even vandalism of government property is no longer grounds for prosecution and there are good people on both sides of this Israeli / Palestinian dispute, right?

Yes, lots of pro-Israel rampages through college campuses, accompanied by anti-Palestinian rhetoric and threats.

You'd think someone like that would seek refuge in a more welcoming environment, rather than trying to twist the environment to suit himself and his politics. I imagine his messaging would be welcome in Iran, and in Yemen, so it's not like he has nowhere to go, pregnant wife in tow.

You can go on and one because you like this but it's still not legal in this country.

People ate not going to like this even if you try to color it.

Lol. Most people are going to Don Draper this. As in, they aren't going to think about it at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqF_A6bsyEw

Sorry Trump is doing a pretty good job of convincing the indifferent that it's not "business as usual."

LOL. You think Trump supporters GAF what happens to this guy?

No the 1/3 who are checked out.

maga? Who cares?

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter. Run of the mill green card applicants wait years to get their cards approve. The slightest whiff of anything leads to a rejection. He is never getting his conditional green card switched to a permanent green card, which means he will have to leave. This is separate from his rights etc etc.

This is the act of a dictator. I know you like it.

Keep your nose clean. Even the closest of the SS were under suspicion by Hitler for the stupidest reason.

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If they could have optioned not to approve you for a green card given what they know now, then they can pull your green card.

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Anonymous wrote:When my parents immigrated to the US in the 1970s (NYC) they were told by their friends: never, ever express support for Palestinians or talk about their brutal oppression. Doing so could cost you your job or land you on government watch lists.

I guess the new generation of immigrants didn’t get the memo.

Agreed.
Not sure where the chain letter fell apart - back then, everyone knew that criticism of one (and only one) foreign nation would be treated as a national security violation justifying deprivation of one’s rights under color of law.

Maybe Trump will pardon him, since even vandalism of government property is no longer grounds for prosecution and there are good people on both sides of this Israeli / Palestinian dispute, right?

Yes, lots of pro-Israel rampages through college campuses, accompanied by anti-Palestinian rhetoric and threats.

You'd think someone like that would seek refuge in a more welcoming environment, rather than trying to twist the environment to suit himself and his politics. I imagine his messaging would be welcome in Iran, and in Yemen, so it's not like he has nowhere to go, pregnant wife in tow.

You can go on and one because you like this but it's still not legal in this country.

People ate not going to like this even if you try to color it.

Lol. Most people are going to Don Draper this. As in, they aren't going to think about it at all.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqF_A6bsyEw

Sorry Trump is doing a pretty good job of convincing the indifferent that it's not "business as usual."

LOL. You think Trump supporters GAF what happens to this guy?

No the 1/3 who are checked out.

maga? Who cares?

Nah. The 1/3 checked out don't care either.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter. Run of the mill green card applicants wait years to get their cards approve. The slightest whiff of anything leads to a rejection. He is never getting his conditional green card switched to a permanent green card, which means he will have to leave. This is separate from his rights etc etc.

This is the act of a dictator. I know you like it.

Keep your nose clean. Even the closest of the SS were under suspicion by Hitler for the stupidest reason.

This guy was dumb for not even waiting till he gets his long term green card to do this. Many people get their conditional green cards not approved for less. They are going to let his conditional green card expire and then deport him.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter. Run of the mill green card applicants wait years to get their cards approve. The slightest whiff of anything leads to a rejection. He is never getting his conditional green card switched to a permanent green card, which means he will have to leave. This is separate from his rights etc etc.

This is the act of a dictator. I know you like it.

Keep your nose clean. Even the closest of the SS were under suspicion by Hitler for the stupidest reason.

This guy was dumb for not even waiting till he gets his long term green card to do this. Many people get their conditional green cards not approved for less. They are going to let his conditional green card expire and then deport him.

And sorry for the wife. Great illustration of why you need birth control.

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Anonymous wrote:When you are overtly advocating for violent terrorism, this is a risk. He was espousing terroristic activity. It’s literally a law.

There is literally a legal process the United States has to go to to strip a green card holder of a green card, and this literally ain’t it.

I’m actually pretty curious about the intersection of green card law and law regarding terroristic activity. I don’t think this is a flat-out free speech issue or a flat-out terroristic threats issue.

You want to look up green card and first amendment rights IMO to get an outline of this. Terroristic threats would be a criminal charge and I don't know anything about any specifics of his involvement in the protests. Protection is not as secure as for citizens, even naturalized citizens. This has an overview: https://www.freedomforum.org/non-citizens-protected-first-amendment/

The Reno decision (1996) is not encouraging, and it was a strong majority decision (only one dissent, from Souter) favoring the govt. I couldn't tell if the parties had green cards, but it also related to Palestine.

Thank you.

In general even if I find Khalil’s support of Hamas grotesque, I am an even stronger believer in the first amendment. I don’t think this is at all right (and I am generally in favor of schools kicking out the entitled brats that are disrupting education — but they aren’t the government).

I have not seen anything truly attributed to him that would reach the level of terroristic threat, and he has never been charged as such. Just a lot of admittedly gross fanboying about Hamas. But, we allow people to have gross speech here.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter. Run of the mill green card applicants wait years to get their cards approve. The slightest whiff of anything leads to a rejection. He is never getting his conditional green card switched to a permanent green card, which means he will have to leave. This is separate from his rights etc etc.

I dunno what you're talking about, marriage-based green cards are typically sorted out in 14 to 24 months. It's definitely not "years". And it's not "the slightest whiff", as marriage to a US citizen typically clears away most things that would bar admission, for instance, working without permission.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When you are overtly advocating for violent terrorism, this is a risk. He was espousing terroristic activity. It’s literally a law.

There is literally a legal process the United States has to go to to strip a green card holder of a green card, and this literally ain’t it.

I’m actually pretty curious about the intersection of green card law and law regarding terroristic activity. I don’t think this is a flat-out free speech issue or a flat-out terroristic threats issue.

You want to look up green card and first amendment rights IMO to get an outline of this. Terroristic threats would be a criminal charge and I don't know anything about any specifics of his involvement in the protests. Protection is not as secure as for citizens, even naturalized citizens. This has an overview: https://www.freedomforum.org/non-citizens-protected-first-amendment/

The Reno decision (1996) is not encouraging, and it was a strong majority decision (only one dissent, from Souter) favoring the govt. I couldn't tell if the parties had green cards, but it also related to Palestine.

Thank you.

In general even if I find Khalil’s support of Hamas grotesque, I am an even stronger believer in the first amendment. I don’t think this is at all right (and I am generally in favor of schools kicking out the entitled brats that are disrupting education — but they aren’t the government).

I have not seen anything truly attributed to him that would reach the level of terroristic threat, and he has never been charged as such. Just a lot of admittedly gross fanboying about Hamas. But, we allow people to have gross speech here.

For this alone we do not need to remove the conditions from his green card. Which does not have anything to do with his current situation. They could release him, wait for his conditional green card to expire, not renew it, and then legally deport him and they would be fully within their rights. His citizen wife can decide if she wants to leave with him or not.

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Anonymous wrote:It doesn’t matter. Run of the mill green card applicants wait years to get their cards approve. The slightest whiff of anything leads to a rejection. He is never getting his conditional green card switched to a permanent green card, which means he will have to leave. This is separate from his rights etc etc.

It still didn't give the legal right for ICE to take him from his home without a warrant or any due process.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When you are overtly advocating for violent terrorism, this is a risk. He was espousing terroristic activity. It’s literally a law.

There is literally a legal process the United States has to go to to strip a green card holder of a green card, and this literally ain’t it.

I’m actually pretty curious about the intersection of green card law and law regarding terroristic activity. I don’t think this is a flat-out free speech issue or a flat-out terroristic threats issue.

You want to look up green card and first amendment rights IMO to get an outline of this. Terroristic threats would be a criminal charge and I don't know anything about any specifics of his involvement in the protests. Protection is not as secure as for citizens, even naturalized citizens. This has an overview: https://www.freedomforum.org/non-citizens-protected-first-amendment/

The Reno decision (1996) is not encouraging, and it was a strong majority decision (only one dissent, from Souter) favoring the govt. I couldn't tell if the parties had green cards, but it also related to Palestine.

Thank you.

In general even if I find Khalil’s support of Hamas grotesque, I am an even stronger believer in the first amendment. I don’t think this is at all right (and I am generally in favor of schools kicking out the entitled brats that are disrupting education — but they aren’t the government).

I have not seen anything truly attributed to him that would reach the level of terroristic threat, and he has never been charged as such. Just a lot of admittedly gross fanboying about Hamas. But, we allow people to have gross speech here.

This. As far as I can tell, he was expressing opposition to genocide in Gaza. I agree with him and I am Jewish.

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I have not seen anything truly attributed to him that would reach the level of terroristic threat, and he has never been charged as such. Just a lot of admittedly gross fanboying about Hamas. But, we allow people to have gross speech here.

That would have been reason to deny his student visa, and later his green card.