Tuckahoe Boots Machine

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is funny as an outsider. People dislike him so much that he is the coach at the best HS and summer teams in the area, and had a nice job at a top club team. He also was handpicked to run the aquatics program at tuckahoe and now has loyal followers willing to join him there. Sounds like people actually can’t get enough of this guy. But a few people here on the boards have a bone to pick. My guess is a combo of York/machine/overlee people

Sounds like bitter losers who hate winners and initiative. Guess that's why they spend their time lame posting on DCUM...

According to you: Posting your kids experiences with a coach- if positive, you’re a winner. If negative, you’re a bitter loser with a bone to pick.

It’s possible that some people like a person and other do not, both for good reason.

[Anonymous]

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I love how someone keeps trying to deflect the conversation from the fact that Tuckahoe made a poor fiscal decision for the sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program.

How do you know it was a Poor Fiscal Decision? Are you on the Board?

Key differentiator: The new "Club" option at Tuckahoe is open to non-members. Non-members are not eligible for NVSL/Summer Swim. And I'll say it again for those in the back.....Tuckahoe has a 5 year wait list.

So, even if Tuckahoe stacks the wait list with kids...it's gonna take a while for this "sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program" to materialize.

Well given that Torey announced to his high school team that he was leaving and starting his own club at Tuckahoe before Machine was even “informed they were starting and RFP process” means on of two things is true. 1. Torey was/is incredible arrogant to announce this before it was a done deal or 2. It was in fact a done deal and the board agreed to boot machine for his club before even receiving any RFPs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I love how someone keeps trying to deflect the conversation from the fact that Tuckahoe made a poor fiscal decision for the sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program.

How do you know it was a Poor Fiscal Decision? Are you on the Board?

Key differentiator: The new "Club" option at Tuckahoe is open to non-members. Non-members are not eligible for NVSL/Summer Swim. And I'll say it again for those in the back.....Tuckahoe has a 5 year wait list.

So, even if Tuckahoe stacks the wait list with kids...it's gonna take a while for this "sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program" to materialize.

Read the email the Tuckahoe board sent.

"His vision integrates competitive club swimming at Tuckahoe and non-competitive winter swim programs, benefiting our members and families with year-round professional coaching and structured management. Moreover, we anticipate that, while Hydra Aquatics is and will remain as its own separate entity that is unaffiliated with Tuckahoe Recreation Club, a Tuckahoe-aligned PVS swim club will make the Club potentially more attractive to current and prospective members."

So tell us again how it isn't about having a year-round team?

Also their email acknowledges it only makes financial sense when you look at the full life of the contract. Numbers on a piece of paper from someone who has never run this type of business added up magically to a bigger profit in the out years.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a sad forum…anyone ask their kids how they feel about any this? Doubt they will really care. And they actually might grow from it.

Kids, especially older ones, definitely care. Many have been with their coaches and practice groups for a while, and have built strong relationships. Lots of questions on where their coaches and friends will end up.

They are kids. This is supposed to be fun. Things change. Y’all take all of this far too seriously. Few if any of these kids will swim beyond HS. Lots of wasted energy on this thread being outraged over something the kids will forget about tomorrow. And to wish will on any person or party involved is pathetic.

I think your over the top outrage over people questioning the decision is interesting…Tuckahoe is not a well liked swim team…it is what it is…

You must be thinking of Chesterbrook

There is room to dislike multiple teams. There was a whole other post from a few years back on how both Chesterbrook and Tuckahoe are awful.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I love how someone keeps trying to deflect the conversation from the fact that Tuckahoe made a poor fiscal decision for the sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program.

How do you know it was a Poor Fiscal Decision? Are you on the Board?

Key differentiator: The new "Club" option at Tuckahoe is open to non-members. Non-members are not eligible for NVSL/Summer Swim. And I'll say it again for those in the back.....Tuckahoe has a 5 year wait list.

So, even if Tuckahoe stacks the wait list with kids...it's gonna take a while for this "sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program" to materialize.

Well given that Torey announced to his high school team that he was leaving and starting his own club at Tuckahoe before Machine was even “informed they were starting and RFP process” means on of two things is true. 1. Torey was/is incredible arrogant to announce this before it was a done deal or 2. It was in fact a done deal and the board agreed to boot machine for his club before even receiving any RFPs.

Yep. He told the team at their final home meet on January 24th he was leaving Yorktown. The board says they initiated a formal RFP process to solicit competitive bids on January 31, 2025. Total sham process.

It is INSANE to me how sloppy this is. At least have the stories straight and a better comms plan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I love how someone keeps trying to deflect the conversation from the fact that Tuckahoe made a poor fiscal decision for the sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program.

How do you know it was a Poor Fiscal Decision? Are you on the Board?

Key differentiator: The new "Club" option at Tuckahoe is open to non-members. Non-members are not eligible for NVSL/Summer Swim. And I'll say it again for those in the back.....Tuckahoe has a 5 year wait list.

So, even if Tuckahoe stacks the wait list with kids...it's gonna take a while for this "sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program" to materialize.

Read the email the Tuckahoe board sent.

"His vision integrates competitive club swimming at Tuckahoe and non-competitive winter swim programs, benefiting our members and families with year-round professional coaching and structured management. Moreover, we anticipate that, while Hydra Aquatics is and will remain as its own separate entity that is unaffiliated with Tuckahoe Recreation Club, a Tuckahoe-aligned PVS swim club will make the Club potentially more attractive to current and prospective members."

So tell us again how it isn't about having a year-round team?

Also their email acknowledges it only makes financial sense when you look at the full life of the contract. Numbers on a piece of paper from someone who has never run this type of business added up magically to a bigger profit in the out years.

I wonder if anyone has or will bring this to the attention of the NVSL Board. It is borderline totally against the entire spirit of summer league swimming

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I love how someone keeps trying to deflect the conversation from the fact that Tuckahoe made a poor fiscal decision for the sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program.

How do you know it was a Poor Fiscal Decision? Are you on the Board?

Key differentiator: The new "Club" option at Tuckahoe is open to non-members. Non-members are not eligible for NVSL/Summer Swim. And I'll say it again for those in the back.....Tuckahoe has a 5 year wait list.

So, even if Tuckahoe stacks the wait list with kids...it's gonna take a while for this "sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program" to materialize.

Read the email the Tuckahoe board sent.

"His vision integrates competitive club swimming at Tuckahoe and non-competitive winter swim programs, benefiting our members and families with year-round professional coaching and structured management. Moreover, we anticipate that, while Hydra Aquatics is and will remain as its own separate entity that is unaffiliated with Tuckahoe Recreation Club, a Tuckahoe-aligned PVS swim club will make the Club potentially more attractive to current and prospective members."

So tell us again how it isn't about having a year-round team?

Also their email acknowledges it only makes financial sense when you look at the full life of the contract. Numbers on a piece of paper from someone who has never run this type of business added up magically to a bigger profit in the out years.

I wonder if anyone has or will bring this to the attention of the NVSL Board. It is borderline totally against the entire spirit of summer league swimming

Why would NVSL care? You have to be a member at Tuckahoe to swim for them during the NVSL season. Just because you swim for Torey (just like if you swam for Machine at that site) doesn’t make you a member of Tuckahoe.

Tuckahoe has a unique indoor pool setup that they can rent out to who they choose. Torey’s club will have a separate business license from Tuckahoe, separate entity, etc.

While the RFP process may not have been smooth I think folks are reaching here. Just let it play out. Hopefully he does well. Again, you get to choose where your kids swim. If you don’t like him don’t swim for him.

[Anonymous]

"While the RFP process may not have been smooth I think folks are reaching here"

The RFP process was a farce. A decision had been made before proposals were submitted

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

I love how someone keeps trying to deflect the conversation from the fact that Tuckahoe made a poor fiscal decision for the sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program.

How do you know it was a Poor Fiscal Decision? Are you on the Board?

Key differentiator: The new "Club" option at Tuckahoe is open to non-members. Non-members are not eligible for NVSL/Summer Swim. And I'll say it again for those in the back.....Tuckahoe has a 5 year wait list.

So, even if Tuckahoe stacks the wait list with kids...it's gonna take a while for this "sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program" to materialize.

Read the email the Tuckahoe board sent.

"His vision integrates competitive club swimming at Tuckahoe and non-competitive winter swim programs, benefiting our members and families with year-round professional coaching and structured management. Moreover, we anticipate that, while Hydra Aquatics is and will remain as its own separate entity that is unaffiliated with Tuckahoe Recreation Club, a Tuckahoe-aligned PVS swim club will make the Club potentially more attractive to current and prospective members."

So tell us again how it isn't about having a year-round team?

Also their email acknowledges it only makes financial sense when you look at the full life of the contract. Numbers on a piece of paper from someone who has never run this type of business added up magically to a bigger profit in the out years.

I wonder if anyone has or will bring this to the attention of the NVSL Board. It is borderline totally against the entire spirit of summer league swimming

Why would NVSL care? You have to be a member at Tuckahoe to swim for them during the NVSL season. Just because you swim for Torey (just like if you swam for Machine at that site) doesn’t make you a member of Tuckahoe.

Tuckahoe has a unique indoor pool setup that they can rent out to who they choose. Torey’s club will have a separate business license from Tuckahoe, separate entity, etc.

While the RFP process may not have been smooth I think folks are reaching here. Just let it play out. Hopefully he does well. Again, you get to choose where your kids swim. If you don’t like him don’t swim for him.

The NVSL Board may care given the letter for the Tuckahoe Board calls it a Tuckahoe aligned PVS program....NCAP, FISH, Machine, etc don't have NVSL summer teams...

[Anonymous]

I am just processing the absurdity that they notified people they wanted a proposal January 31 and when did they send this email to their membership announcing a decision? No later than Feb 21?

In 20 days you ran an RFP process? How long did they even give the other clubs to submit a proposal?

They rammed this fake process through to cover up that it was a done deal and they’d handed him this pool in the winter for his new club.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am just processing the absurdity that they notified people they wanted a proposal January 31 and when did they send this email to their membership announcing a decision? No later than Feb 21?

In 20 days you ran an RFP process? How long did they even give the other clubs to submit a proposal?

They rammed this fake process through to cover up that it was a done deal and they’d handed him this pool in the winter for his new club.

And this nugget…

“In December 2024, members of the Board were asked if the Board would open the Associate Member arrangement for competitive bids.”

He approached them and asked if he could have the pool in the winter for a new club. So they built a whole fake process super fast to give it to him. And fast too!

I guess hats off they’re not even really trying to hide it. It’s all spelled out. I’m sure they weren’t counting on him blabbing to 100+ teenagers in late January.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am just processing the absurdity that they notified people they wanted a proposal January 31 and when did they send this email to their membership announcing a decision? No later than Feb 21?

In 20 days you ran an RFP process? How long did they even give the other clubs to submit a proposal?

They rammed this fake process through to cover up that it was a done deal and they’d handed him this pool in the winter for his new club.

Correct. Total inside job. It’s your pool, you can make changes as the board sees fit, but this was promised to T back in December. Own this is what you did and move on!

Problem is, sounds like the rest of the board, and certainly their membership, was not informed. I watched the president of Tuckahoe pretty much be ignored by everyone at the meet this last weekend while he tried to justify everything to anyone he could get to listen and blame others.

Just be honest of how this went down, apologize for wasting peoples time and move on. So simple and easy.

[Anonymous]

And after this I’m supposed to believe these folks don’t get kids on their team and bypass the wait list?

C’mon.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am just processing the absurdity that they notified people they wanted a proposal January 31 and when did they send this email to their membership announcing a decision? No later than Feb 21?

In 20 days you ran an RFP process? How long did they even give the other clubs to submit a proposal?

They rammed this fake process through to cover up that it was a done deal and they’d handed him this pool in the winter for his new club.

Correct. Total inside job. It’s your pool, you can make changes as the board sees fit, but this was promised to T back in December. Own this is what you did and move on!

Problem is, sounds like the rest of the board, and certainly their membership, was not informed. I watched the president of Tuckahoe pretty much be ignored by everyone at the meet this last weekend while he tried to justify everything to anyone he could get to listen and blame others.

Just be honest of how this went down, apologize for wasting peoples time and move on. So simple and easy.

….and wearing a tuckahoe tshirt too. Maybe no message was intended…but man could you read the room a bit better. Or maybe he did and that was a f* you. lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am just processing the absurdity that they notified people they wanted a proposal January 31 and when did they send this email to their membership announcing a decision? No later than Feb 21?

In 20 days you ran an RFP process? How long did they even give the other clubs to submit a proposal?

They rammed this fake process through to cover up that it was a done deal and they’d handed him this pool in the winter for his new club.

Correct. Total inside job. It’s your pool, you can make changes as the board sees fit, but this was promised to T back in December. Own this is what you did and move on!

Problem is, sounds like the rest of the board, and certainly their membership, was not informed. I watched the president of Tuckahoe pretty much be ignored by everyone at the meet this last weekend while he tried to justify everything to anyone he could get to listen and blame others.

Just be honest of how this went down, apologize for wasting peoples time and move on. So simple and easy.

….and wearing a tuckahoe tshirt too. Maybe no message was intended…but man could you read the room a bit better. Or maybe he did and that was a f* you. lol

Absolutely. Given he is openly trying to go after Machine people in the blame game, why not just move your children to train with T now? I would guess Machine would welcome it as well. I know most the parents would.