Tuckahoe Boots Machine

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Anonymous wrote:T is not everyone's cup of tea. He is all business (even at 10 and under age) and the sportsmanship of Yorktown and Tuckahoe leave a bit to be desired. If you want the hyper competitive, succeed at all costs mentality, his new team might be for you.

I can tell based on this statement that your kids have never swam for him. Why continue to propagate false rumors when you have probably only seen him on deck at meets? Give it up - 50% of the comments on this thread are by Machine parents who are so horribly inconvenienced to have to drive to a different site next year. It’s honestly pathetic.

York parent here. My child does not swim at Yorktown, but when I mentioned Torin was going to leave to start his own club, the reaction was a double fist pump (a la Ace Ventura) because “Torrey is a jerk”.

I’d question your child about what makes him believe an adult is ‘a jerk.’ Maybe he is used to being coddled at home perhaps. Too bad, I’ve found all the York coaches to be extremely supportive of each other and the team atmosphere. York as a whole and T fully included, does the best job out of all the local PVS teams in trying to translate that summer like atmosphere to club swim.

I agree. The York kids seem to have good relationships, are having fun at meets supporting one another, and not just staring at the water in a trance not speaking to anyone like I’ve seen NCAP Tysons (and others) do at a number of meets. Yes, their kids are great and super competitive but so are the York kids.

I think the attitude and light hearted fun comes down from the top with the understanding to get serious and competitive when you need to. The support for teammates is clearly fostered at York.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:T is not everyone's cup of tea. He is all business (even at 10 and under age) and the sportsmanship of Yorktown and Tuckahoe leave a bit to be desired. If you want the hyper competitive, succeed at all costs mentality, his new team might be for you.

I can tell based on this statement that your kids have never swam for him. Why continue to propagate false rumors when you have probably only seen him on deck at meets? Give it up - 50% of the comments on this thread are by Machine parents who are so horribly inconvenienced to have to drive to a different site next year. It’s honestly pathetic.

York parent here. My child does not swim at Yorktown, but when I mentioned Torin was going to leave to start his own club, the reaction was a double fist pump (a la Ace Ventura) because “Torrey is a jerk”.

I’d question your child about what makes him believe an adult is ‘a jerk.’ Maybe he is used to being coddled at home perhaps. Too bad, I’ve found all the York coaches to be extremely supportive of each other and the team atmosphere. York as a whole and T fully included, does the best job out of all the local PVS teams in trying to translate that summer like atmosphere to club swim.

I agree. The York kids seem to have good relationships, are having fun at meets supporting one another, and not just staring at the water in a trance not speaking to anyone like I’ve seen NCAP Tysons (and others) do at a number of meets. Yes, their kids are great and super competitive but so are the York kids.

I think the attitude and light hearted fun comes down from the top with the understanding to get serious and competitive when you need to. The support for teammates is clearly fostered at York.

Most of those age group kids swim for the same two summer teams - Tuckahoe and Chesterbrook. These kids are friends.

[Anonymous]

This is all so silly. Pick the coaches that fit your lifestyles and your child‘s disposition and leave everyone else alone. This thread has veered so far from the actual egregious conduct, which is a facility who suddenly “competed” for bids after a 20 year relationship and awarded a contract to an unlicensed business (license filed only on 2/5) with no approved USA Swim team at the time of award, affecting the livelihoods of coaches and creating uncertainty for a large number of swimmers. Still, the only people rightfully exercising discontent are those affected by these events. There is no room for casting aspersions about 10 year old children (like the poster directly above me). Most of the posters here look ridiculous, feigning appalment about a rec swim club and a summer league team (eye roll).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:T is not everyone's cup of tea. He is all business (even at 10 and under age) and the sportsmanship of Yorktown and Tuckahoe leave a bit to be desired. If you want the hyper competitive, succeed at all costs mentality, his new team might be for you.

I can tell based on this statement that your kids have never swam for him. Why continue to propagate false rumors when you have probably only seen him on deck at meets? Give it up - 50% of the comments on this thread are by Machine parents who are so horribly inconvenienced to have to drive to a different site next year. It’s honestly pathetic.

York parent here. My child does not swim at Yorktown, but when I mentioned Torin was going to leave to start his own club, the reaction was a double fist pump (a la Ace Ventura) because “Torrey is a jerk”.

I’d question your child about what makes him believe an adult is ‘a jerk.’ Maybe he is used to being coddled at home perhaps. Too bad, I’ve found all the York coaches to be extremely supportive of each other and the team atmosphere. York as a whole and T fully included, does the best job out of all the local PVS teams in trying to translate that summer like atmosphere to club swim.

I agree. The York kids seem to have good relationships, are having fun at meets supporting one another, and not just staring at the water in a trance not speaking to anyone like I’ve seen NCAP Tysons (and others) do at a number of meets. Yes, their kids are great and super competitive but so are the York kids.

I think the attitude and light hearted fun comes down from the top with the understanding to get serious and competitive when you need to. The support for teammates is clearly fostered at York.

Man, when did this all turn into bashing other clubs and specific groups of swimmers you don't even know based on some random meet observations? how can you even tell a group is NCAP Tysons? I have never seen sites singled out on caps.

I have attended a lot of meets and honestly, I have never looked at one group or club and thought "wow they are a really great well connected group with great sportsmanship" I have also never thought the opposite of any club. There are so many clubs and kids at most meets it is hard to make any judgements. Summer and HS swim is different as it is a direct competition and clear who is on which team, but again, unless a kid or team really behaves badly or is over the top obnoxious, I hardly notice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:This is all so silly. Pick the coaches that fit your lifestyles and your child‘s disposition and leave everyone else alone. This thread has veered so far from the actual egregious conduct, which is a facility who suddenly “competed” for bids after a 20 year relationship and awarded a contract to an unlicensed business (license filed only on 2/5) with no approved USA Swim team at the time of award, affecting the livelihoods of coaches and creating uncertainty for a large number of swimmers. Still, the only people rightfully exercising discontent are those affected by these events. There is no room for casting aspersions about 10 year old children (like the poster directly above me). Most of the posters here look ridiculous, feigning appalment about a rec swim club and a summer league team (eye roll).

Exactly! Can we please get back to criticizing the Tuckahoe board, the joke of an email they sent, and the sham that was the RFP process?

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Exactly! Can we please get back to criticizing the Tuckahoe board, the joke of an email they sent, and the sham that was the RFP process?

The Tuckahoe Board conducted this process more like a government agency, prioritizing connections over balance sheets and proven success. Its great they are working with a small business, however they probably should have been more transparent about their requirements.

[Anonymous]

The Tuckahoe Board should have just said they wanted to create a winter team affiliated with their summer team for the benefit of membership and they wanted to give a long-time proven employee a chance to start his own business. There is zero way this is the prudent financial move. So stop with all that. People can smell bullshit a mile away and that is what infuriates them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The Tuckahoe Board should have just said they wanted to create a winter team affiliated with their summer team for the benefit of membership and they wanted to give a long-time proven employee a chance to start his own business. There is zero way this is the prudent financial move. So stop with all that. People can smell bullshit a mile away and that is what infuriates them.

Exactly. Tuckahoe wanted to create their own year round swim program...it is silly foe them to pretend this is anything else other than that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:T is not everyone's cup of tea. He is all business (even at 10 and under age) and the sportsmanship of Yorktown and Tuckahoe leave a bit to be desired. If you want the hyper competitive, succeed at all costs mentality, his new team might be for you.

I can tell based on this statement that your kids have never swam for him. Why continue to propagate false rumors when you have probably only seen him on deck at meets? Give it up - 50% of the comments on this thread are by Machine parents who are so horribly inconvenienced to have to drive to a different site next year. It’s honestly pathetic.

York parent here. My child does not swim at Yorktown, but when I mentioned Torin was going to leave to start his own club, the reaction was a double fist pump (a la Ace Ventura) because “Torrey is a jerk”.

I’d question your child about what makes him believe an adult is ‘a jerk.’ Maybe he is used to being coddled at home perhaps. Too bad, I’ve found all the York coaches to be extremely supportive of each other and the team atmosphere. York as a whole and T fully included, does the best job out of all the local PVS teams in trying to translate that summer like atmosphere to club swim.

Im a pretty strict parent, try again.

And I, too, have found all of the York coaches to be helpful and supportive with the lone exception of Torey.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:T is not everyone's cup of tea. He is all business (even at 10 and under age) and the sportsmanship of Yorktown and Tuckahoe leave a bit to be desired. If you want the hyper competitive, succeed at all costs mentality, his new team might be for you.

I can tell based on this statement that your kids have never swam for him. Why continue to propagate false rumors when you have probably only seen him on deck at meets? Give it up - 50% of the comments on this thread are by Machine parents who are so horribly inconvenienced to have to drive to a different site next year. It’s honestly pathetic.

York parent here. My child does not swim at Yorktown, but when I mentioned Torin was going to leave to start his own club, the reaction was a double fist pump (a la Ace Ventura) because “Torrey is a jerk”.

I’d question your child about what makes him believe an adult is ‘a jerk.’ Maybe he is used to being coddled at home perhaps. Too bad, I’ve found all the York coaches to be extremely supportive of each other and the team atmosphere. York as a whole and T fully included, does the best job out of all the local PVS teams in trying to translate that summer like atmosphere to club swim.

I agree. The York kids seem to have good relationships, are having fun at meets supporting one another, and not just staring at the water in a trance not speaking to anyone like I’ve seen NCAP Tysons (and others) do at a number of meets. Yes, their kids are great and super competitive but so are the York kids.

I think the attitude and light hearted fun comes down from the top with the understanding to get serious and competitive when you need to. The support for teammates is clearly fostered at York.

Most of those age group kids swim for the same two summer teams - Tuckahoe and Chesterbrook. These kids are friends.

Nah, they’re just nice kids overall. My 10U kid is at a different club but has had so many positive and friendly interactions with their swimmers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"the sportsmanship of Yorktown and Tuckahoe leave a bit to be desired."

He may very well be an excellent coach.....but he also fosters this....

Do you have examples of this? I often see spirited teams are mistaken for poor sports in a sometimes dull swim world.

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Anonymous wrote:This is funny as an outsider. People dislike him so much that he is the coach at the best HS and summer teams in the area, and had a nice job at a top club team. He also was handpicked to run the aquatics program at tuckahoe and now has loyal followers willing to join him there. Sounds like people actually can’t get enough of this guy. But a few people here on the boards have a bone to pick. My guess is a combo of York/machine/overlee people

I love how someone keeps trying to deflect the conversation from the fact that Tuckahoe made a poor fiscal decision for the sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program.

Sounds like bitter losers who hate winners and initiative. Guess that's why they spend their time lame posting on DCUM...

[Anonymous]

I love how someone keeps trying to deflect the conversation from the fact that Tuckahoe made a poor fiscal decision for the sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program.

How do you know it was a Poor Fiscal Decision? Are you on the Board?

Key differentiator: The new "Club" option at Tuckahoe is open to non-members. Non-members are not eligible for NVSL/Summer Swim. And I'll say it again for those in the back.....Tuckahoe has a 5 year wait list.

So, even if Tuckahoe stacks the wait list with kids...it's gonna take a while for this "sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program" to materialize.

[Anonymous]

What do other coaches in the field think about this particular coach? I’d be curious to know if he is well respected among his peers. In any profession, colleagues may not always agree, but there’s usually a baseline level of respect for those who are truly great at what they do. If most people in a field hold someone in high regard, that says something. If the majority don’t, that says something too.

I’m genuinely interested in joining, but that’s something I’d want to consider.

[Anonymous]

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I love how someone keeps trying to deflect the conversation from the fact that Tuckahoe made a poor fiscal decision for the sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program.

How do you know it was a Poor Fiscal Decision? Are you on the Board?

Key differentiator: The new "Club" option at Tuckahoe is open to non-members. Non-members are not eligible for NVSL/Summer Swim. And I'll say it again for those in the back.....Tuckahoe has a 5 year wait list.

So, even if Tuckahoe stacks the wait list with kids...it's gonna take a while for this "sake of having their own year round PVS/NVSL swim program" to materialize.

Tuckahoe's own email to its members acknowledges this is a financial risk. Hydra has no members currently and we don't know if they'll fill the club and be able to pay what Machine paid to Tuckahoe. Maybe he showed more of a cut in his bid going to Tuckahoe by taking a hit on overhead costs or low balling it. (Gee I wonder how he knew how to pick the right number that would be more than what Machine paid. Hmm...how would he have access to that information.) But it's a proposal not based on any reality, so it's a risk.