Why did Kamala lose ?

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Anonymous wrote:I have posted on here many times over the past few years that illegal immigration was going to sink the ticket. I cited immigration stats directly from my subscription NYT. Most of my posts were deleted or I was called a troll. This is the problem with living in an echo chamber. If Biden had addressed the border issues and focused on inflation I think she would have won.

Heck, the reality is Biden and Harris didn’t even really have to fix the border…they just needed to acknowledge it was a real problem that mattered to voters so it mattered to them. They didn’t. Baffling, really.

A lot of politics is making voters feel heard.

For whatever reason, Biden’s administration and Harris’ campaign opted to dismiss the concerns that most voters voiced and instead seemingly defended fringe rather than rely on talking points that would have made clear we would respect everyone’s rights without going off the rails.

I don’t get it. I thought we learned this lesson when Trump won the last time. I mean, we went with the safe choice of an old white moderate in Biden and he won.

Hopefully this time we will learn the lesson well enough to groom the next generation of Dem leaders: younger, charismatic, and smart enough to acknowledge that crime isn’t cool, Americans and their safety and livelihood matter most, and no single group deserves top billing or special priority status because we are all Americans who deserve respect and a fair shot.

It’s not hard. In fact, it’s pretty easy.

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Anonymous wrote:Depressed about result but at least this time I'm not surprised, these are some of the issues the independent people I know have said that are pulling them away from Democrats.

-lenient with illegal immigration
-tremendous impopularity of refugee cities whose budgets have been impacted by dealing with flood of migrants
-emphasis on wokeness, trans issues, DEI (all things that I care about but average person does not)
-perception that Trump will bring more blue collar jobs back home
-tremendous impopularity of Biden
-handling of Israel/Gaza war

+1. And Biden calling people “garbage” a week before the election didn’t help either (though I thought her response and distance to his comments was good).

Trump was calling Pierre ricans garbage a week before the election, called for the suppression of the free press, and for Liz Cheneys execution all in the past week. Not sure why Dems are judged on a double standard. The question isn’t why Kamala lost - it’s why did trump win despite all of his disqualifying factors including counted felonies, staging a coup, being twice impeached for quid pro quo and trying to obstruct democracy, his general vileness and all the other corruption of his first term.

And I honestly have no idea. I am completely puzzled. Trump is a disaster of a candidate. My best guess is that voters just didn’t “like” Kamala for the same reasons they didn’t “like” Hillary- deeply rooted misogyny. The war in Gaza also likely fractured democratic support, not unlike Bernie bros in 2016.

Hilary and Kamala are two deeply unlikable women. I held my nose and voted for both but neither one have a shred of likability.

Oh stop, both are good kind nice people. Far more likable than Trump.
But in America, women have to be Mother Teresa. Men just need a pulse

If that was true why did they dump Biden? He has a pulse. You sound dense.

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Time to dust off the pink hats and drink some tea for the screamfest in January.

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Anonymous wrote:Harris lost in part because she’s a woman of color.

However, Harris lost mostly because her campaign never understood what’s motivating most Americans at the polls — namely, jobs and inflation.

She ran a better campaign than Clinton and was royally screwed by Biden, who should have dropped out much earlier. But ultimately she made the same mistake as Clinton.

you people just DONT get it. Biden should not have stepped down earlier in order for the dems to make a DEI appointment, he should have stepped down earlier so a proper primary could have been had. She was only appointed because she a mixed race woman. Nobody liked her in 2020 she failed miserably.

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America does not hate women, especially not Darah Palin, Americans despise loud-mouthed man-hating Feminists who insist trans women are real women.

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Anonymous wrote:Depressed about result but at least this time I'm not surprised, these are some of the issues the independent people I know have said that are pulling them away from Democrats.

-lenient with illegal immigration
-tremendous impopularity of refugee cities whose budgets have been impacted by dealing with flood of migrants
-emphasis on wokeness, trans issues, DEI (all things that I care about but average person does not)
-perception that Trump will bring more blue collar jobs back home
-tremendous impopularity of Biden
-handling of Israel/Gaza war

+1. And Biden calling people “garbage” a week before the election didn’t help either (though I thought her response and distance to his comments was good).

Trump was calling Pierre ricans garbage a week before the election, called for the suppression of the free press, and for Liz Cheneys execution all in the past week. Not sure why Dems are judged on a double standard. The question isn’t why Kamala lost - it’s why did trump win despite all of his disqualifying factors including counted felonies, staging a coup, being twice impeached for quid pro quo and trying to obstruct democracy, his general vileness and all the other corruption of his first term.

And I honestly have no idea. I am completely puzzled. Trump is a disaster of a candidate. My best guess is that voters just didn’t “like” Kamala for the same reasons they didn’t “like” Hillary- deeply rooted misogyny. The war in Gaza also likely fractured democratic support, not unlike Bernie bros in 2016.

Hilary and Kamala are two deeply unlikable women. I held my nose and voted for both but neither one have a shred of likability.

Oh stop, both are good kind nice people. Far more likable than Trump.
But in America, women have to be Mother Teresa. Men just need a pulse

Nope. Tulsi is a veteran and men would vote for her over a male Dem candidate like Walz or Shapiro all day.

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Anonymous wrote:Posters who say it's because Harris didn't discuss specific policy plans: did Trump?

Of course not.

But he didn’t have to. His “straight talk” delivered with a side of absurd comedy riffs appealed to the masses. Plus, he preyed on their personal interests and made them feel heard.

When people of all races and backgrounds complained about crime, he agreed while Harris did not.

Ditto for immigration.

Plus: a woman will always have to be twice as likable to even have a chance. Sad but true.

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Anonymous wrote:She lost because she is female and a minority. Most of America can’t vote for someone who is not a white dude. And this country is racist at its core

It’s not the color of her skin but the content of her character.

You aren’t seriously using the “character” of the candidate as a basis, are you? There’s a lot of reasons why she was fighting a losing battle, but having the worse “character” is not it. And yes, I know the quote.

It is about her character. She did not have the character to turn down the vice presidency when she knew there were better people. Same for the presidential nomination. A weak character does what others push her into doing. It’s like the teen who is goaded doing into shoplifting by friends but doesn’t have the character to not do it.

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Anonymous wrote:America cannot envision a woman, any woman, in the White House, all other factors aside. A lying con man who says what angry white men want to hear is preferable. They can fantasize about the perfect world the orange one promises and feel so good about themselves.

Tulsi and Nikki Haley would wiped the floor with Biden or Harris.

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because she and most of the DMV are woke tax and spend socialists - I mean democrats; she was the worst of two evils and the country needs a change after 4 years of Biden!

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Anonymous wrote:America cannot envision a woman, any woman, in the White House, all other factors aside. A lying con man who says what angry white men want to hear is preferable. They can fantasize about the perfect world the orange one promises and feel so good about themselves.

We're showing the world how backassward we are.

The world doesn’t care. We are its ATM and that’s all that matters.

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Anonymous wrote:I saw this coming. I voted for Kamala, but she always came off as a lightweight, both in 2019 and again in 2024. I didn’t think she was as good VP pick either.

But at the end of the day, the personalities really don’t seem to matter to voters. Fear equals votes. Biden won in 2020 because Covid shook the economy to its core, and in 2024, I think the perception that Dems care more about illegal immigrants and trans people than the “average Joe” hurt them badly.

Losing the rust belt was no shock. I think Biden was actually a good president, but what did he do to improve the lives of the working class in the rust belt? Not much. The CHIPS Act wasn’t exactly creating blue collar jobs.

Disinformation on social media clearly is how elections are now won or lost. Dems need to figure out how to play that game or lose in perpetuity.

I think the Dems need to do some serious soul searching on their priorities. Most Americans have shown that they don’t care about the plight of refugees, trans people, Palestinians, or women wanting abortions after a few weeks. I don’t agree with that, but it’s just a reality. Will the party continue to try to claim the moral high ground on these issues? Clearly that isn’t a winning electoral strategy. [/quote
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Anonymous wrote:Weird how +20 million Democrats just disappeared in a single election from 2020 to 2024

Super duper strange man...

Joe Biden got 81 million votes

Kamala got 60?

I am curious how they eventually spin this. Do they finally admit what they did and throw Joe and the old timers under the bus, or just try to ignore it?

People who don’t normally pay attention were not excited about either candidate and we are four years removed from the total chaos that was the end of the last administration that they weren’t as excited to vote. So people stayed home. The ballot stuffing canard is another right wing talking point based on innuendo and lies.

Trump was down 3 million from 2020 and up 9 million from 16. Kamala got the same number of votes as Hilary did in 16, and 15 million fewer than Biden. Biden's 81 million stick out like a sore thumb and it might be generations before a candidate tops that.

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Anonymous wrote:I have posted on here many times over the past few years that illegal immigration was going to sink the ticket. I cited immigration stats directly from my subscription NYT. Most of my posts were deleted or I was called a troll. This is the problem with living in an echo chamber. If Biden had addressed the border issues and focused on inflation I think she would have won.

Heck, the reality is Biden and Harris didn’t even really have to fix the border…they just needed to acknowledge it was a real problem that mattered to voters so it mattered to them. They didn’t. Baffling, really.

A lot of politics is making voters feel heard.

For whatever reason, Biden’s administration and Harris’ campaign opted to dismiss the concerns that most voters voiced and instead seemingly defended fringe rather than rely on talking points that would have made clear we would respect everyone’s rights without going off the rails.

I don’t get it. I thought we learned this lesson when Trump won the last time. I mean, we went with the safe choice of an old white moderate in Biden and he won.

Hopefully this time we will learn the lesson well enough to groom the next generation of Dem leaders: younger, charismatic, and smart enough to acknowledge that crime isn’t cool, Americans and their safety and livelihood matter most, and no single group deserves top billing or special priority status because we are all Americans who deserve respect and a fair shot.

It’s not hard. In fact, it’s pretty easy.

excellent summary!